Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Sorry to say, but I do not think this doctor is experienced in en bloc removal. Drains are important as often you have excessive fluid build up and hematoma without them. I highly recommend that you find a doctor who always does en bloc and knows exactly how that is done. Lynda At 06:10 AM 8/20/2006, you wrote: >hi ladies! > >I had my meeting with the PS. I would love comments on the info I >received. It wasn't as bad as thought it would be, and let me say >first off, I wouldn't have known a thing had I not found you all. > >He stared off by saying I was a rare person who wanted them out >totally but that was no problem and sounds like I had thought it out. > >I didn't mention enbloc initially - wanted to give him time to say >what he'd naturally say. He said 'that is very easy - we wouldn't >have to put you fully under, which is good, and it would take about >1/2 hour, you'd walk out of here like nothing much happened. You >could be back to normal activities in a week' > >I then asked 'so you don't do them enbloc?' and he said 'no, no, in >your case there is no need to removed the capsule' I asked him why >not and he responded with 'the capsule is essentially YOU, it's your >scar tissue, and will eventually disintigrate in your body; Now if >you were ruptured, leaking,had contracture, it would be a different >story' > >I countered with 'and if a capsulectomy is important to me, how do >you feel about that?' He proceded to say 'absolutely, I have done >thousands of them, and if for some reason psychologically you want >it all out, we can do that. But, why put yourself under a greater >risk of full anesthisa, more bleeding, and more recovery if you >don't have to.' I confirmed that it was important to me for my >mental well being and asked him how many he has done, etc. He told >me it would take at least an hour and a half (I know you all say >should be at least 2 hrs) > >This is the point I want comments on - I asked if he used drains and >he said 'no, no, I don't need drains with you'. Could that be true >in my case? or not? > >Other points he made were - I would not be a candidate for a lift at >all (I asked) , and they should return to their A status (From C >cup); My pain would be far less than if I got an implant exchange. >He noticed one was hanging a bit lower/folded a bit differently - I >noticed it too recently. > >His assistant will call me Tuesday - I have more questions for her >and want to confirm I can get copy of operating report etc. They >gave me two quotes one w/ capsulectomy and one without. It's a >grand more for that, which, of course, I would do. > >So, that is the scoop. Once I have the drain questions answered I >could make a better decison on him; am waiting on hearing back from >2 others as well. He was respectful/unflappable about my needs, >which was good - I was prepared to walk out if I got attitude. It >was verrry weird to be there though - all these lovely women in the >waiting room, and wanted to grab them and drag them to lunch >saying 'you're fine, honey, you are beautiful as you are!' but it >wasn't the place to launch a PR campaign lol. My dear boyfriend >came with and, referencing the video they were playing, showing a >woman's Before and After breast shots, scoffed and said rather >loudly, 'look! there is nothing wrong with her in the first place! I >think she looked FINE'and then he mumbled 'this is all b.s.' I >burst out laughing. Thought that was pretty great. > >You know why I feel better today? Because I have STARTED the >process, the 'interviewing' if you will, and because I am informed, >and will continue to educate myself. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Thanks, Lynda. I am definitely going to ask more about drains with the next ps.Lynda <coss@...> wrote: Sorry to say, but I do not think this doctor is experienced in en bloc removal. Drains are important as often you have excessive fluid build up and hematoma without them.I highly recommend that you find a doctor who always does en bloc and knows exactly how that is done.LyndaAt 06:10 AM 8/20/2006, you wrote:>hi ladies!>>I had my meeting with the PS. I would love comments on the info I>received. It wasn't as bad as thought it would be, and let me say>first off, I wouldn't have known a thing had I not found you all.>>He stared off by saying I was a rare person who wanted them out>totally but that was no problem and sounds like I had thought it out.>>I didn't mention enbloc initially - wanted to give him time to say>what he'd naturally say. He said 'that is very easy - we wouldn't>have to put you fully under, which is good, and it would take about>1/2 hour, you'd walk out of here like nothing much happened. You>could be back to normal activities in a week'>>I then asked 'so you don't do them enbloc?' and he said 'no, no, in>your case there is no need to removed the capsule' I asked him why>not and he responded with 'the capsule is essentially YOU, it's your>scar tissue, and will eventually disintigrate in your body; Now if>you were ruptured, leaking,had contracture, it would be a different>story'>>I countered with 'and if a capsulectomy is important to me, how do>you feel about that?' He proceded to say 'absolutely, I have done>thousands of them, and if for some reason psychologically you want>it all out, we can do that. But, why put yourself under a greater>risk of full anesthisa, more bleeding, and more recovery if you>don't have to.' I confirmed that it was important to me for my>mental well being and asked him how many he has done, etc. He told>me it would take at least an hour and a half (I know you all say>should be at least 2 hrs)>>This is the point I want comments on - I asked if he used drains and>he said 'no, no, I don't need drains with you'. Could that be true>in my case? or not?>>Other points he made were - I would not be a candidate for a lift at>all (I asked) , and they should return to their A status (From C>cup); My pain would be far less than if I got an implant exchange.>He noticed one was hanging a bit lower/folded a bit differently - I>noticed it too recently.>>His assistant will call me Tuesday - I have more questions for her>and want to confirm I can get copy of operating report etc. They>gave me two quotes one w/ capsulectomy and one without. It's a>grand more for that, which, of course, I would do.>>So, that is the scoop. Once I have the drain questions answered I>could make a better decison on him; am waiting on hearing back from>2 others as well. He was respectful/unflappable about my needs,>which was good - I was prepared to walk out if I got attitude. It>was verrry weird to be there though - all these lovely women in the>waiting room, and wanted to grab them and drag them to lunch>saying 'you're fine, honey, you are beautiful as you are!' but it>wasn't the place to launch a PR campaign lol. My dear boyfriend>came with and, referencing the video they were playing, showing a>woman's Before and After breast shots, scoffed and said rather>loudly, 'look! there is nothing wrong with her in the first place! I>think she looked FINE'and then he mumbled 'this is all b.s.' I>burst out laughing. Thought that was pretty great.>>You know why I feel better today? Because I have STARTED the>process, the 'interviewing' if you will, and because I am informed,>and will continue to educate myself.>> __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 I totally agree here...I'd be terribly afraid of letting him do it...he sounded like he was going to say whatever you wanted to hear to get the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 In a message dated 8/20/2006 1:29:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, mollyb54@... writes: >> "My pain would be far less than if I got an implant exchange." It's so ironic... this is what I was hearing from anyone when I tried to price explanting. First, I got the "implants are safe" lectures, followed by "If you THINK they are making you sick, then when you get them out you probably would THINK you feel better." Then, most would follow with trying to talk me into exchanging them because it would be easier--- and doing a benelli lift and/or moving up to an even bigger implant. (The ones who pushed exchange would say replacement would rule out a slow leak -that could have been making me sick. Even Mentor told me a slow leak could make me sick when I called them years ago.) I was >.< this close to replacing my regular 475cc's (DD) with 575cc McGhan HIGH PROFILE implants with a Benelli lift a couple years ago. (Same thing now... I was going to sell a car to do it, but also had a little saved at the time before our rental business fell under.) Looking back, I'm like "What was I thinking even considering it?" I thank God I didn't do it... not only for OBVIOUS health reasons ---but also because I did not have a clue what 'high profiles were.' I trusted the doctor on size judgment. Now, I see that a 175cc high profile sticks out as far as a 475cc regular... so I can't even imagine how ridiculous 575cc would have looked. I'd have still been sick, out even more money, plus miserable with these gigantic torpedos... Brig lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 " My pain would be far less than if I got an implant exchange. " NO. HIS pain would be a lot less, and his pocketbook fatter. I do hope you get a second opinion. --- In , " Emerald Kittee " <emeraldkittee@...> wrote: > > hi ladies! > > I had my meeting with the PS. I would love comments on the info I > received. It wasn't as bad as thought it would be, and let me say > first off, I wouldn't have known a thing had I not found you all. > > He stared off by saying I was a rare person who wanted them out > totally but that was no problem and sounds like I had thought it out. > > I didn't mention enbloc initially - wanted to give him time to say > what he'd naturally say. He said 'that is very easy - we wouldn't > have to put you fully under, which is good, and it would take about > 1/2 hour, you'd walk out of here like nothing much happened. You > could be back to normal activities in a week' > > I then asked 'so you don't do them enbloc?' and he said 'no, no, in > your case there is no need to removed the capsule' I asked him why > not and he responded with 'the capsule is essentially YOU, it's your > scar tissue, and will eventually disintigrate in your body; Now if > you were ruptured, leaking,had contracture, it would be a different > story' > > I countered with 'and if a capsulectomy is important to me, how do > you feel about that?' He proceded to say 'absolutely, I have done > thousands of them, and if for some reason psychologically you want > it all out, we can do that. But, why put yourself under a greater > risk of full anesthisa, more bleeding, and more recovery if you > don't have to.' I confirmed that it was important to me for my > mental well being and asked him how many he has done, etc. He told > me it would take at least an hour and a half (I know you all say > should be at least 2 hrs) > > This is the point I want comments on - I asked if he used drains and > he said 'no, no, I don't need drains with you'. Could that be true > in my case? or not? > > Other points he made were - I would not be a candidate for a lift at > all (I asked) , and they should return to their A status (From C > cup); My pain would be far less than if I got an implant exchange. > He noticed one was hanging a bit lower/folded a bit differently - I > noticed it too recently. > > His assistant will call me Tuesday - I have more questions for her > and want to confirm I can get copy of operating report etc. They > gave me two quotes one w/ capsulectomy and one without. It's a > grand more for that, which, of course, I would do. > > So, that is the scoop. Once I have the drain questions answered I > could make a better decison on him; am waiting on hearing back from > 2 others as well. He was respectful/unflappable about my needs, > which was good - I was prepared to walk out if I got attitude. It > was verrry weird to be there though - all these lovely women in the > waiting room, and wanted to grab them and drag them to lunch > saying 'you're fine, honey, you are beautiful as you are!' but it > wasn't the place to launch a PR campaign lol. My dear boyfriend > came with and, referencing the video they were playing, showing a > woman's Before and After breast shots, scoffed and said rather > loudly, 'look! there is nothing wrong with her in the first place! I > think she looked FINE'and then he mumbled 'this is all b.s.' I > burst out laughing. Thought that was pretty great. > > You know why I feel better today? Because I have STARTED the > process, the 'interviewing' if you will, and because I am informed, > and will continue to educate myself. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Okay my husband is chiming in here, reading over my shoulder. He insists I point out that this doctor's statement isn't even logical! (I thought that was a given, but oh well) ;-) > > > > hi ladies! > > > > I had my meeting with the PS. I would love comments on the info I > > received. It wasn't as bad as thought it would be, and let me say > > first off, I wouldn't have known a thing had I not found you all. > > > > He stared off by saying I was a rare person who wanted them out > > totally but that was no problem and sounds like I had thought it out. > > > > I didn't mention enbloc initially - wanted to give him time to say > > what he'd naturally say. He said 'that is very easy - we wouldn't > > have to put you fully under, which is good, and it would take about > > 1/2 hour, you'd walk out of here like nothing much happened. You > > could be back to normal activities in a week' > > > > I then asked 'so you don't do them enbloc?' and he said 'no, no, in > > your case there is no need to removed the capsule' I asked him why > > not and he responded with 'the capsule is essentially YOU, it's your > > scar tissue, and will eventually disintigrate in your body; Now if > > you were ruptured, leaking,had contracture, it would be a different > > story' > > > > I countered with 'and if a capsulectomy is important to me, how do > > you feel about that?' He proceded to say 'absolutely, I have done > > thousands of them, and if for some reason psychologically you want > > it all out, we can do that. But, why put yourself under a greater > > risk of full anesthisa, more bleeding, and more recovery if you > > don't have to.' I confirmed that it was important to me for my > > mental well being and asked him how many he has done, etc. He told > > me it would take at least an hour and a half (I know you all say > > should be at least 2 hrs) > > > > This is the point I want comments on - I asked if he used drains and > > he said 'no, no, I don't need drains with you'. Could that be true > > in my case? or not? > > > > Other points he made were - I would not be a candidate for a lift at > > all (I asked) , and they should return to their A status (From C > > cup); My pain would be far less than if I got an implant exchange. > > He noticed one was hanging a bit lower/folded a bit differently - I > > noticed it too recently. > > > > His assistant will call me Tuesday - I have more questions for her > > and want to confirm I can get copy of operating report etc. They > > gave me two quotes one w/ capsulectomy and one without. It's a > > grand more for that, which, of course, I would do. > > > > So, that is the scoop. Once I have the drain questions answered I > > could make a better decison on him; am waiting on hearing back from > > 2 others as well. He was respectful/unflappable about my needs, > > which was good - I was prepared to walk out if I got attitude. It > > was verrry weird to be there though - all these lovely women in the > > waiting room, and wanted to grab them and drag them to lunch > > saying 'you're fine, honey, you are beautiful as you are!' but it > > wasn't the place to launch a PR campaign lol. My dear boyfriend > > came with and, referencing the video they were playing, showing a > > woman's Before and After breast shots, scoffed and said rather > > loudly, 'look! there is nothing wrong with her in the first place! I > > think she looked FINE'and then he mumbled 'this is all b.s.' I > > burst out laughing. Thought that was pretty great. > > > > You know why I feel better today? Because I have STARTED the > > process, the 'interviewing' if you will, and because I am informed, > > and will continue to educate myself. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Isn't he saying that removal of the implant is far less painful than if she was reimplanting? > " My pain would be far less than if I got an implant exchange. " > > NO. HIS pain would be a lot less, and his pocketbook fatter. > > I do hope you get a second opinion. > > >> >> hi ladies! >> >> I had my meeting with the PS. I would love comments on the info I >> received. It wasn't as bad as thought it would be, and let me say >> first off, I wouldn't have known a thing had I not found you all. >> >> He stared off by saying I was a rare person who wanted them out >> totally but that was no problem and sounds like I had thought it out. >> >> I didn't mention enbloc initially - wanted to give him time to say >> what he'd naturally say. He said 'that is very easy - we wouldn't >> have to put you fully under, which is good, and it would take about >> 1/2 hour, you'd walk out of here like nothing much happened. You >> could be back to normal activities in a week' >> >> I then asked 'so you don't do them enbloc?' and he said 'no, no, in >> your case there is no need to removed the capsule' I asked him why >> not and he responded with 'the capsule is essentially YOU, it's your >> scar tissue, and will eventually disintigrate in your body; Now if >> you were ruptured, leaking,had contracture, it would be a different >> story' >> >> I countered with 'and if a capsulectomy is important to me, how do >> you feel about that?' He proceded to say 'absolutely, I have done >> thousands of them, and if for some reason psychologically you want >> it all out, we can do that. But, why put yourself under a greater >> risk of full anesthisa, more bleeding, and more recovery if you >> don't have to.' I confirmed that it was important to me for my >> mental well being and asked him how many he has done, etc. He told >> me it would take at least an hour and a half (I know you all say >> should be at least 2 hrs) >> >> This is the point I want comments on - I asked if he used drains and >> he said 'no, no, I don't need drains with you'. Could that be true >> in my case? or not? >> >> Other points he made were - I would not be a candidate for a lift at >> all (I asked) , and they should return to their A status (From C >> cup); My pain would be far less than if I got an implant exchange. >> He noticed one was hanging a bit lower/folded a bit differently - I >> noticed it too recently. >> >> His assistant will call me Tuesday - I have more questions for her >> and want to confirm I can get copy of operating report etc. They >> gave me two quotes one w/ capsulectomy and one without. It's a >> grand more for that, which, of course, I would do. >> >> So, that is the scoop. Once I have the drain questions answered I >> could make a better decison on him; am waiting on hearing back from >> 2 others as well. He was respectful/unflappable about my needs, >> which was good - I was prepared to walk out if I got attitude. It >> was verrry weird to be there though - all these lovely women in the >> waiting room, and wanted to grab them and drag them to lunch >> saying 'you're fine, honey, you are beautiful as you are!' but it >> wasn't the place to launch a PR campaign lol. My dear boyfriend >> came with and, referencing the video they were playing, showing a >> woman's Before and After breast shots, scoffed and said rather >> loudly, 'look! there is nothing wrong with her in the first place! I >> think she looked FINE'and then he mumbled 'this is all b.s.' I >> burst out laughing. Thought that was pretty great. >> >> You know why I feel better today? Because I have STARTED the >> process, the 'interviewing' if you will, and because I am informed, >> and will continue to educate myself. >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 . .. I don't like his attitude . . . "In your case" sets of alarms in my head! . . . Suggestion to all the ladies going for an initial consult . . . Take someone with you . .. both of you should dress professionally . . . Let your companion take notes . . . For all the surgeon knows, this person could be an attorney, a medical professional, or a reporter. . . . You can introduce them simply as "I've brought Ms XXX along to take notes so I don't misunderstand or forget anything you tell me" . .. If he/she throws you out . . .Wrong surgeon anyway. A good surgeon will appreciate your request. Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 > > hi ladies! > > I had my meeting with the PS. I would love comments on the info I > received. It wasn't as bad as thought it would be, and let me say > first off, I wouldn't have known a thing had I not found you all. > > He stared off by saying I was a rare person who wanted them out > totally but that was no problem and sounds like I had thought it out. > > I didn't mention enbloc initially - wanted to give him time to say > what he'd naturally say. He said 'that is very easy - we wouldn't > have to put you fully under, which is good, and it would take about > 1/2 hour, you'd walk out of here like nothing much happened. You > could be back to normal activities in a week' > > I then asked 'so you don't do them enbloc?' and he said 'no, no, in > your case there is no need to removed the capsule' I asked him why > not and he responded with 'the capsule is essentially YOU, it's your > scar tissue, and will eventually disintigrate in your body; Now if > you were ruptured, leaking,had contracture, it would be a different > story' > > I countered with 'and if a capsulectomy is important to me, how do > you feel about that?' He proceded to say 'absolutely, I have done > thousands of them, and if for some reason psychologically you want > it all out, we can do that. But, why put yourself under a greater > risk of full anesthisa, more bleeding, and more recovery if you > don't have to.' I confirmed that it was important to me for my > mental well being and asked him how many he has done, etc. He told > me it would take at least an hour and a half (I know you all say > should be at least 2 hrs) > > This is the point I want comments on - I asked if he used drains and > he said 'no, no, I don't need drains with you'. Could that be true > in my case? or not? > > Other points he made were - I would not be a candidate for a lift at > all (I asked) , and they should return to their A status (From C > cup); My pain would be far less than if I got an implant exchange. > He noticed one was hanging a bit lower/folded a bit differently - I > noticed it too recently. > > His assistant will call me Tuesday - I have more questions for her > and want to confirm I can get copy of operating report etc. They > gave me two quotes one w/ capsulectomy and one without. It's a > grand more for that, which, of course, I would do. > > So, that is the scoop. Once I have the drain questions answered I > could make a better decison on him; am waiting on hearing back from > 2 others as well. He was respectful/unflappable about my needs, > which was good - I was prepared to walk out if I got attitude. It > was verrry weird to be there though - all these lovely women in the > waiting room, and wanted to grab them and drag them to lunch > saying 'you're fine, honey, you are beautiful as you are!' but it > wasn't the place to launch a PR campaign lol. My dear boyfriend > came with and, referencing the video they were playing, showing a > woman's Before and After breast shots, scoffed and said rather > loudly, 'look! there is nothing wrong with her in the first place! I > think she looked FINE'and then he mumbled 'this is all b.s.' I > burst out laughing. Thought that was pretty great. > > You know why I feel better today? Because I have STARTED the > process, the 'interviewing' if you will, and because I am informed, > and will continue to educate myself. >Emerald Kitty, Wow I am so proud of you at the PS consult, it sounds like you handled him perfectly and were ready. And very dignified ir I may say so. You and your significant other sound very put together especially for everything we women face,first getting the facts about implants and that validation that you know something is wrong it is not in your head, to going to your first consult,good job, Drains in my opinion are very important. I had my drains in 2 weeks. there was yellowish and light red fluid,Not that I wanted drains but so glad I didn't have to ask for them. I might not have known at that time, I had to milk the little tubes, they are soft and then empty the little plastic bulbs at the bottom, no big deal, but everytime I did milk them I knew that stuff coming out was better out of me than in.Who knows what fluid is left there have everything is removed. It was like they were being cleaned out so to speak. Just my opinion we are with you as you need us, Terri P Hawaii Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Kenda, I think you are right! I (and DH) misread this. I guess we both were tired. > >> > >> hi ladies! > >> > >> I had my meeting with the PS. I would love comments on the info I > >> received. It wasn't as bad as thought it would be, and let me say > >> first off, I wouldn't have known a thing had I not found you all. > >> > >> He stared off by saying I was a rare person who wanted them out > >> totally but that was no problem and sounds like I had thought it out. > >> > >> I didn't mention enbloc initially - wanted to give him time to say > >> what he'd naturally say. He said 'that is very easy - we wouldn't > >> have to put you fully under, which is good, and it would take about > >> 1/2 hour, you'd walk out of here like nothing much happened. You > >> could be back to normal activities in a week' > >> > >> I then asked 'so you don't do them enbloc?' and he said 'no, no, in > >> your case there is no need to removed the capsule' I asked him why > >> not and he responded with 'the capsule is essentially YOU, it's your > >> scar tissue, and will eventually disintigrate in your body; Now if > >> you were ruptured, leaking,had contracture, it would be a different > >> story' > >> > >> I countered with 'and if a capsulectomy is important to me, how do > >> you feel about that?' He proceded to say 'absolutely, I have done > >> thousands of them, and if for some reason psychologically you want > >> it all out, we can do that. But, why put yourself under a greater > >> risk of full anesthisa, more bleeding, and more recovery if you > >> don't have to.' I confirmed that it was important to me for my > >> mental well being and asked him how many he has done, etc. He told > >> me it would take at least an hour and a half (I know you all say > >> should be at least 2 hrs) > >> > >> This is the point I want comments on - I asked if he used drains and > >> he said 'no, no, I don't need drains with you'. Could that be true > >> in my case? or not? > >> > >> Other points he made were - I would not be a candidate for a lift at > >> all (I asked) , and they should return to their A status (From C > >> cup); My pain would be far less than if I got an implant exchange. > >> He noticed one was hanging a bit lower/folded a bit differently - I > >> noticed it too recently. > >> > >> His assistant will call me Tuesday - I have more questions for her > >> and want to confirm I can get copy of operating report etc. They > >> gave me two quotes one w/ capsulectomy and one without. It's a > >> grand more for that, which, of course, I would do. > >> > >> So, that is the scoop. Once I have the drain questions answered I > >> could make a better decison on him; am waiting on hearing back from > >> 2 others as well. He was respectful/unflappable about my needs, > >> which was good - I was prepared to walk out if I got attitude. It > >> was verrry weird to be there though - all these lovely women in the > >> waiting room, and wanted to grab them and drag them to lunch > >> saying 'you're fine, honey, you are beautiful as you are!' but it > >> wasn't the place to launch a PR campaign lol. My dear boyfriend > >> came with and, referencing the video they were playing, showing a > >> woman's Before and After breast shots, scoffed and said rather > >> loudly, 'look! there is nothing wrong with her in the first place! I > >> think she looked FINE'and then he mumbled 'this is all b.s.' I > >> burst out laughing. Thought that was pretty great. > >> > >> You know why I feel better today? Because I have STARTED the > >> process, the 'interviewing' if you will, and because I am informed, > >> and will continue to educate myself. > >> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Hi Emerald, Now that I reread it (carefully), I still think I would be concerned about this doctor. I hope you hear from (and see) the two other surgeons... Another thing you might want to do is to look these doctors up at the state med board. http://www.floridamalpractice.com/linksdoctor.htm This is predominantly Florida, but it has links to other states med boards, as well. Find out where the surgeon went to med school, how long in practice, and what malpractice claims there are against him/her. > > > > hi ladies! > > > > I had my meeting with the PS. I would love comments on the info I > > received. It wasn't as bad as thought it would be, and let me say > > first off, I wouldn't have known a thing had I not found you all. > > > > He stared off by saying I was a rare person who wanted them out > > totally but that was no problem and sounds like I had thought it > out. > > > > I didn't mention enbloc initially - wanted to give him time to say > > what he'd naturally say. He said 'that is very easy - we wouldn't > > have to put you fully under, which is good, and it would take about > > 1/2 hour, you'd walk out of here like nothing much happened. You > > could be back to normal activities in a week' > > > > I then asked 'so you don't do them enbloc?' and he said 'no, no, in > > your case there is no need to removed the capsule' I asked him why > > not and he responded with 'the capsule is essentially YOU, it's > your > > scar tissue, and will eventually disintigrate in your body; Now if > > you were ruptured, leaking,had contracture, it would be a different > > story' > > > > I countered with 'and if a capsulectomy is important to me, how do > > you feel about that?' He proceded to say 'absolutely, I have done > > thousands of them, and if for some reason psychologically you want > > it all out, we can do that. But, why put yourself under a greater > > risk of full anesthisa, more bleeding, and more recovery if you > > don't have to.' I confirmed that it was important to me for my > > mental well being and asked him how many he has done, etc. He told > > me it would take at least an hour and a half (I know you all say > > should be at least 2 hrs) > > > > This is the point I want comments on - I asked if he used drains > and > > he said 'no, no, I don't need drains with you'. Could that be true > > in my case? or not? > > > > Other points he made were - I would not be a candidate for a lift > at > > all (I asked) , and they should return to their A status (From C > > cup); My pain would be far less than if I got an implant exchange. > > He noticed one was hanging a bit lower/folded a bit differently - I > > noticed it too recently. > > > > His assistant will call me Tuesday - I have more questions for her > > and want to confirm I can get copy of operating report etc. They > > gave me two quotes one w/ capsulectomy and one without. It's a > > grand more for that, which, of course, I would do. > > > > So, that is the scoop. Once I have the drain questions answered I > > could make a better decison on him; am waiting on hearing back from > > 2 others as well. He was respectful/unflappable about my needs, > > which was good - I was prepared to walk out if I got attitude. It > > was verrry weird to be there though - all these lovely women in the > > waiting room, and wanted to grab them and drag them to lunch > > saying 'you're fine, honey, you are beautiful as you are!' but it > > wasn't the place to launch a PR campaign lol. My dear boyfriend > > came with and, referencing the video they were playing, showing a > > woman's Before and After breast shots, scoffed and said rather > > loudly, 'look! there is nothing wrong with her in the first place! > I > > think she looked FINE'and then he mumbled 'this is all b.s.' I > > burst out laughing. Thought that was pretty great. > > > > You know why I feel better today? Because I have STARTED the > > process, the 'interviewing' if you will, and because I am informed, > > and will continue to educate myself. > >Emerald Kitty, > Wow I am so proud of you at the PS consult, it sounds like you > handled him perfectly and were ready. And very dignified ir I may say > so. You and your significant other sound very put together especially > for everything we women face,first getting the facts about implants > and that validation that you know something is wrong it is not in > your head, to going to your first consult,good job, > Drains in my opinion are very important. I had my drains in 2 weeks. > there was yellowish and light red fluid,Not that I wanted drains but > so glad I didn't have to ask for them. I might not have known at that > time, I had to milk the little tubes, they are soft and then empty > the little plastic bulbs at the bottom, no big deal, but everytime I > did milk them I knew that stuff coming out was better out of me than > in.Who knows what fluid is left there have everything is removed. It > was like they were being cleaned out so to speak. > Just my opinion > we are with you as you need us, > Terri P > Hawaii > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 TIred, and accustomed to doctors saying BS. ;-( > > >> > > >> hi ladies! > > >> > > >> I had my meeting with the PS. I would love comments on the info I > > >> received. It wasn't as bad as thought it would be, and let me say > > >> first off, I wouldn't have known a thing had I not found you all. > > >> > > >> He stared off by saying I was a rare person who wanted them out > > >> totally but that was no problem and sounds like I had thought it out. > > >> > > >> I didn't mention enbloc initially - wanted to give him time to say > > >> what he'd naturally say. He said 'that is very easy - we wouldn't > > >> have to put you fully under, which is good, and it would take about > > >> 1/2 hour, you'd walk out of here like nothing much happened. You > > >> could be back to normal activities in a week' > > >> > > >> I then asked 'so you don't do them enbloc?' and he said 'no, no, in > > >> your case there is no need to removed the capsule' I asked him why > > >> not and he responded with 'the capsule is essentially YOU, it's your > > >> scar tissue, and will eventually disintigrate in your body; Now if > > >> you were ruptured, leaking,had contracture, it would be a different > > >> story' > > >> > > >> I countered with 'and if a capsulectomy is important to me, how do > > >> you feel about that?' He proceded to say 'absolutely, I have done > > >> thousands of them, and if for some reason psychologically you want > > >> it all out, we can do that. But, why put yourself under a greater > > >> risk of full anesthisa, more bleeding, and more recovery if you > > >> don't have to.' I confirmed that it was important to me for my > > >> mental well being and asked him how many he has done, etc. He told > > >> me it would take at least an hour and a half (I know you all say > > >> should be at least 2 hrs) > > >> > > >> This is the point I want comments on - I asked if he used drains and > > >> he said 'no, no, I don't need drains with you'. Could that be true > > >> in my case? or not? > > >> > > >> Other points he made were - I would not be a candidate for a lift at > > >> all (I asked) , and they should return to their A status (From C > > >> cup); My pain would be far less than if I got an implant exchange. > > >> He noticed one was hanging a bit lower/folded a bit differently - I > > >> noticed it too recently. > > >> > > >> His assistant will call me Tuesday - I have more questions for her > > >> and want to confirm I can get copy of operating report etc. They > > >> gave me two quotes one w/ capsulectomy and one without. It's a > > >> grand more for that, which, of course, I would do. > > >> > > >> So, that is the scoop. Once I have the drain questions answered I > > >> could make a better decison on him; am waiting on hearing back from > > >> 2 others as well. He was respectful/unflappable about my needs, > > >> which was good - I was prepared to walk out if I got attitude. It > > >> was verrry weird to be there though - all these lovely women in the > > >> waiting room, and wanted to grab them and drag them to lunch > > >> saying 'you're fine, honey, you are beautiful as you are!' but it > > >> wasn't the place to launch a PR campaign lol. My dear boyfriend > > >> came with and, referencing the video they were playing, showing a > > >> woman's Before and After breast shots, scoffed and said rather > > >> loudly, 'look! there is nothing wrong with her in the first place! I > > >> think she looked FINE'and then he mumbled 'this is all b.s.' I > > >> burst out laughing. Thought that was pretty great. > > >> > > >> You know why I feel better today? Because I have STARTED the > > >> process, the 'interviewing' if you will, and because I am informed, > > >> and will continue to educate myself. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 emerald.... ok..... Good Lord is all I can say... I read your fist post and just had to wipe the water I was drinking and consequently spit out all over my computer monitor..... it was deja-vu... I am wondering, by the way, if we live in the same town..... don't mention any doc names please..... OK - Remember - All I am about to say is my opinion based on my peronal experience with my PS but I have been here a few years and have also have had my share of BAD experiences during my implant nightmare.... also remember that I am still very ill... this is why I am trying so hard to convince others not to make the same mistakes I did and get the best help out there..... all based on stories I have heard from other doctors and women that have had great results - not myself #1 Not putting you out w/ General anesthesia? a big red flag.... #2 1/2 hour in and out - what is he a fast food plastic surgeon? does he get paid by the minute? as far as I know a good explant should take at least 2 hours or so at least from what I understand - with a lift maybe longer #3 not removing the capsules? a super big no-no.... every doc should remove this - many women remain ill after the implants have been removed because of this... the scar tissue can contain pieces of the silicone shell that has rubbed off, mold or bacteria that has leaked out of the implant - all kinds of crap - get those removed!!!! #4 drains - I for one did not have a doc that used these.....not such a good idea.... I did find one that did the general anesthesia.... he removed the capsules (supposedly)... he took his time - no problem there - did a great job too as I looked great but did not use drains.... I ended up 2 days after surgery having 1 breast start to swell and look weird... then went to him and after he unwrapped it, it looked like it was implanted again... turns out the "pocket" was collecting fluid - a hematoma that had to be manually drained - basically the area filled w/ blood and fluid and he went in w/ a huge needle - no anesthesia and drained it - 80cc's of fluid he got out... he had to do this 2 separate times. it was painful and it sucked for a lack of better terms... Later, After sending the implants off the be analyzed, I found they both were horribly contaminated and leaking - (the doctor noticed this one the left one BEFORE I SENT THEM OFF), and filled with all types of mold, etc.... the junk that was being removed w/ his syringe from not having drains installed would have been draining constantly and was probably full of this garbage and a lot of it I am sure got absorbed into my system and caused a lot of the issues I am having today... GET DRAINS... ALL THE NASTY POISON THAT IS LEFT BEHIND AFTER THE EXPLANT, IS DRAINED IMMEDIATELY AND NOT LEFT INSIDE YOU TO BE ABSORBED.... I will also add this tidbit.. anybody with this attitude, saying it would only be half an hour, no drains, much less pain with an exchange... he sounds like a typical $$$ hound to me - not caring for your needs... keep in mind.... when I went in - maybe it has changed in the last 3 years but I doubt it.... if you got a removal they just get what you pay them less all the expenses.... if they get an exchange, they bill the implant company and get all their $$ back as they are a lifetime guarantee.... this is what a girl in my original Ps's office told me a while back... the MFG pay all expenses for replacements so this is why they push them - was so right? I don't know - maybe it was just the doc I went to... maybe he still doesn't practice that way... I just wanted to know why I was treated so badly when I asked for removal when he had treated me so well the three times before when I had other complications/replacements- this is what she told me..... just be careful. I would be very aware of anyone who offered explant in a short time without capsule removal and General... sounds a little fishy to me - just do your homework - weirder things have happened. Hindsight is 20/20...you DO NOT want to be me in 2-3 years.... am in very bad shape... again - all this is my opinion - I am in no way telling you what to do - just sharing my experience with you in hopes of keeping you from my mistakes.... your doctor could be completely fine and on the up and up - just sharing what happened with mine so you do your research best of luck to you shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Sometimes I get the feeling that the doctors who encourage women to get these horribly large implants really hate women and are mentally stuck in adolesence - trying to make women look like cartoon characters! Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 I knew women who went in to just get to a size B and came out a D, without their permission. The doctors decided themselves that B was too small. Lynda At 03:06 PM 8/20/2006, you wrote: >Sometimes I get the feeling that the doctors who encourage women to >get these horribly large implants really hate women and are mentally >stuck in adolesence - trying to make women look like cartoon characters! > >Rogene > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Right, I know, I hardly thought I'd be skipping and jumping out of there, lol. this ps said there'd be far less pain before I told him I wanted a capsulectomy. But, of course, there is pain either way. I love that your hubby is involved, Molly! > > > > > > hi ladies! > > > > > > I had my meeting with the PS. I would love comments on the info I > > > received. It wasn't as bad as thought it would be, and let me say > > > first off, I wouldn't have known a thing had I not found you all. > > > > > > He stared off by saying I was a rare person who wanted them out > > > totally but that was no problem and sounds like I had thought it out. > > > > > > I didn't mention enbloc initially - wanted to give him time to say > > > what he'd naturally say. He said 'that is very easy - we wouldn't > > > have to put you fully under, which is good, and it would take about > > > 1/2 hour, you'd walk out of here like nothing much happened. You > > > could be back to normal activities in a week' > > > > > > I then asked 'so you don't do them enbloc?' and he said 'no, no, in > > > your case there is no need to removed the capsule' I asked him why > > > not and he responded with 'the capsule is essentially YOU, it's your > > > scar tissue, and will eventually disintigrate in your body; Now if > > > you were ruptured, leaking,had contracture, it would be a different > > > story' > > > > > > I countered with 'and if a capsulectomy is important to me, how do > > > you feel about that?' He proceded to say 'absolutely, I have done > > > thousands of them, and if for some reason psychologically you want > > > it all out, we can do that. But, why put yourself under a greater > > > risk of full anesthisa, more bleeding, and more recovery if you > > > don't have to.' I confirmed that it was important to me for my > > > mental well being and asked him how many he has done, etc. He told > > > me it would take at least an hour and a half (I know you all say > > > should be at least 2 hrs) > > > > > > This is the point I want comments on - I asked if he used drains and > > > he said 'no, no, I don't need drains with you'. Could that be true > > > in my case? or not? > > > > > > Other points he made were - I would not be a candidate for a lift at > > > all (I asked) , and they should return to their A status (From C > > > cup); My pain would be far less than if I got an implant exchange. > > > He noticed one was hanging a bit lower/folded a bit differently - I > > > noticed it too recently. > > > > > > His assistant will call me Tuesday - I have more questions for her > > > and want to confirm I can get copy of operating report etc. They > > > gave me two quotes one w/ capsulectomy and one without. It's a > > > grand more for that, which, of course, I would do. > > > > > > So, that is the scoop. Once I have the drain questions answered I > > > could make a better decison on him; am waiting on hearing back from > > > 2 others as well. He was respectful/unflappable about my needs, > > > which was good - I was prepared to walk out if I got attitude. It > > > was verrry weird to be there though - all these lovely women in the > > > waiting room, and wanted to grab them and drag them to lunch > > > saying 'you're fine, honey, you are beautiful as you are!' but it > > > wasn't the place to launch a PR campaign lol. My dear boyfriend > > > came with and, referencing the video they were playing, showing a > > > woman's Before and After breast shots, scoffed and said rather > > > loudly, 'look! there is nothing wrong with her in the first place! I > > > think she looked FINE'and then he mumbled 'this is all b.s.' I > > > burst out laughing. Thought that was pretty great. > > > > > > You know why I feel better today? Because I have STARTED the > > > process, the 'interviewing' if you will, and because I am informed, > > > and will continue to educate myself. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 how true! I had to listen through my special B.S. Blocker ear device..... > > > >> > > > >> hi ladies! > > > >> > > > >> I had my meeting with the PS. I would love comments on the info I > > > >> received. It wasn't as bad as thought it would be, and let me say > > > >> first off, I wouldn't have known a thing had I not found you all. > > > >> > > > >> He stared off by saying I was a rare person who wanted them out > > > >> totally but that was no problem and sounds like I had thought it out. > > > >> > > > >> I didn't mention enbloc initially - wanted to give him time to say > > > >> what he'd naturally say. He said 'that is very easy - we wouldn't > > > >> have to put you fully under, which is good, and it would take about > > > >> 1/2 hour, you'd walk out of here like nothing much happened. You > > > >> could be back to normal activities in a week' > > > >> > > > >> I then asked 'so you don't do them enbloc?' and he said 'no, no, in > > > >> your case there is no need to removed the capsule' I asked him why > > > >> not and he responded with 'the capsule is essentially YOU, it's your > > > >> scar tissue, and will eventually disintigrate in your body; Now if > > > >> you were ruptured, leaking,had contracture, it would be a different > > > >> story' > > > >> > > > >> I countered with 'and if a capsulectomy is important to me, how do > > > >> you feel about that?' He proceded to say 'absolutely, I have done > > > >> thousands of them, and if for some reason psychologically you want > > > >> it all out, we can do that. But, why put yourself under a greater > > > >> risk of full anesthisa, more bleeding, and more recovery if you > > > >> don't have to.' I confirmed that it was important to me for my > > > >> mental well being and asked him how many he has done, etc. He told > > > >> me it would take at least an hour and a half (I know you all say > > > >> should be at least 2 hrs) > > > >> > > > >> This is the point I want comments on - I asked if he used drains and > > > >> he said 'no, no, I don't need drains with you'. Could that be true > > > >> in my case? or not? > > > >> > > > >> Other points he made were - I would not be a candidate for a lift at > > > >> all (I asked) , and they should return to their A status (From C > > > >> cup); My pain would be far less than if I got an implant exchange. > > > >> He noticed one was hanging a bit lower/folded a bit differently - I > > > >> noticed it too recently. > > > >> > > > >> His assistant will call me Tuesday - I have more questions for her > > > >> and want to confirm I can get copy of operating report etc. They > > > >> gave me two quotes one w/ capsulectomy and one without. It's a > > > >> grand more for that, which, of course, I would do. > > > >> > > > >> So, that is the scoop. Once I have the drain questions answered I > > > >> could make a better decison on him; am waiting on hearing back from > > > >> 2 others as well. He was respectful/unflappable about my needs, > > > >> which was good - I was prepared to walk out if I got attitude. It > > > >> was verrry weird to be there though - all these lovely women in the > > > >> waiting room, and wanted to grab them and drag them to lunch > > > >> saying 'you're fine, honey, you are beautiful as you are!' but it > > > >> wasn't the place to launch a PR campaign lol. My dear boyfriend > > > >> came with and, referencing the video they were playing, showing a > > > >> woman's Before and After breast shots, scoffed and said rather > > > >> loudly, 'look! there is nothing wrong with her in the first place! I > > > >> think she looked FINE'and then he mumbled 'this is all b.s.' I > > > >> burst out laughing. Thought that was pretty great. > > > >> > > > >> You know why I feel better today? Because I have STARTED the > > > >> process, the 'interviewing' if you will, and because I am informed, > > > >> and will continue to educate myself. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Thanks, Rogene! > > . .. > > I don't like his attitude . . . " In your case " sets of alarms in my head! . . . > > Suggestion to all the ladies going for an initial consult . . . Take someone with you . .. both of you should dress professionally . . . Let your companion take notes . . . For all the surgeon knows, this person could be an attorney, a medical professional, or a reporter. . . . You can introduce them simply as " I've brought Ms XXX along to take notes so I don't misunderstand or forget anything you tell me " . .. > > If he/she throws you out . . .Wrong surgeon anyway. A good surgeon will appreciate your request. > > Rogene > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 oh, Terri, thanks you made me feel good! I appreciate the info you shared on the drains. I can't beleive you had them in for 2 wks! And, what's more, I can't believe most ps's don't use them. What happens to all the fluid? your immune system just must deal with it? It does seem like even 'interviewing' more " top surgeons " is really spinning my wheels - and checking with a big name hospital and reconstructive surgeon is the next step. These top surgeons will be pretty much like the one I saw - he is well-known, lauded, but absolutely doesn't understand a thing we talk about here. And I will tell you another thing, I gestered to my cleavage, then pointed at his Mercedes in the parking lot " look what these things paid for! " > > > > hi ladies! > > > > I had my meeting with the PS. I would love comments on the info I > > received. It wasn't as bad as thought it would be, and let me say > > first off, I wouldn't have known a thing had I not found you all. > > > > He stared off by saying I was a rare person who wanted them out > > totally but that was no problem and sounds like I had thought it > out. > > > > I didn't mention enbloc initially - wanted to give him time to say > > what he'd naturally say. He said 'that is very easy - we wouldn't > > have to put you fully under, which is good, and it would take about > > 1/2 hour, you'd walk out of here like nothing much happened. You > > could be back to normal activities in a week' > > > > I then asked 'so you don't do them enbloc?' and he said 'no, no, in > > your case there is no need to removed the capsule' I asked him why > > not and he responded with 'the capsule is essentially YOU, it's > your > > scar tissue, and will eventually disintigrate in your body; Now if > > you were ruptured, leaking,had contracture, it would be a different > > story' > > > > I countered with 'and if a capsulectomy is important to me, how do > > you feel about that?' He proceded to say 'absolutely, I have done > > thousands of them, and if for some reason psychologically you want > > it all out, we can do that. But, why put yourself under a greater > > risk of full anesthisa, more bleeding, and more recovery if you > > don't have to.' I confirmed that it was important to me for my > > mental well being and asked him how many he has done, etc. He told > > me it would take at least an hour and a half (I know you all say > > should be at least 2 hrs) > > > > This is the point I want comments on - I asked if he used drains > and > > he said 'no, no, I don't need drains with you'. Could that be true > > in my case? or not? > > > > Other points he made were - I would not be a candidate for a lift > at > > all (I asked) , and they should return to their A status (From C > > cup); My pain would be far less than if I got an implant exchange. > > He noticed one was hanging a bit lower/folded a bit differently - I > > noticed it too recently. > > > > His assistant will call me Tuesday - I have more questions for her > > and want to confirm I can get copy of operating report etc. They > > gave me two quotes one w/ capsulectomy and one without. It's a > > grand more for that, which, of course, I would do. > > > > So, that is the scoop. Once I have the drain questions answered I > > could make a better decison on him; am waiting on hearing back from > > 2 others as well. He was respectful/unflappable about my needs, > > which was good - I was prepared to walk out if I got attitude. It > > was verrry weird to be there though - all these lovely women in the > > waiting room, and wanted to grab them and drag them to lunch > > saying 'you're fine, honey, you are beautiful as you are!' but it > > wasn't the place to launch a PR campaign lol. My dear boyfriend > > came with and, referencing the video they were playing, showing a > > woman's Before and After breast shots, scoffed and said rather > > loudly, 'look! there is nothing wrong with her in the first place! > I > > think she looked FINE'and then he mumbled 'this is all b.s.' I > > burst out laughing. Thought that was pretty great. > > > > You know why I feel better today? Because I have STARTED the > > process, the 'interviewing' if you will, and because I am informed, > > and will continue to educate myself. > >Emerald Kitty, > Wow I am so proud of you at the PS consult, it sounds like you > handled him perfectly and were ready. And very dignified ir I may say > so. You and your significant other sound very put together especially > for everything we women face,first getting the facts about implants > and that validation that you know something is wrong it is not in > your head, to going to your first consult,good job, > Drains in my opinion are very important. I had my drains in 2 weeks. > there was yellowish and light red fluid,Not that I wanted drains but > so glad I didn't have to ask for them. I might not have known at that > time, I had to milk the little tubes, they are soft and then empty > the little plastic bulbs at the bottom, no big deal, but everytime I > did milk them I knew that stuff coming out was better out of me than > in.Who knows what fluid is left there have everything is removed. It > was like they were being cleaned out so to speak. > Just my opinion > we are with you as you need us, > Terri P > Hawaii > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Great link, thanks, Molly! He was the one who put 'em in 10 years ago - I checked out his credentials back then, but I am going to do it again - just curious now. > > > > > > hi ladies! > > > > > > I had my meeting with the PS. I would love comments on the info I > > > received. It wasn't as bad as thought it would be, and let me say > > > first off, I wouldn't have known a thing had I not found you all. > > > > > > He stared off by saying I was a rare person who wanted them out > > > totally but that was no problem and sounds like I had thought it > > out. > > > > > > I didn't mention enbloc initially - wanted to give him time to say > > > what he'd naturally say. He said 'that is very easy - we wouldn't > > > have to put you fully under, which is good, and it would take about > > > 1/2 hour, you'd walk out of here like nothing much happened. You > > > could be back to normal activities in a week' > > > > > > I then asked 'so you don't do them enbloc?' and he said 'no, no, in > > > your case there is no need to removed the capsule' I asked him why > > > not and he responded with 'the capsule is essentially YOU, it's > > your > > > scar tissue, and will eventually disintigrate in your body; Now if > > > you were ruptured, leaking,had contracture, it would be a different > > > story' > > > > > > I countered with 'and if a capsulectomy is important to me, how do > > > you feel about that?' He proceded to say 'absolutely, I have done > > > thousands of them, and if for some reason psychologically you want > > > it all out, we can do that. But, why put yourself under a greater > > > risk of full anesthisa, more bleeding, and more recovery if you > > > don't have to.' I confirmed that it was important to me for my > > > mental well being and asked him how many he has done, etc. He told > > > me it would take at least an hour and a half (I know you all say > > > should be at least 2 hrs) > > > > > > This is the point I want comments on - I asked if he used drains > > and > > > he said 'no, no, I don't need drains with you'. Could that be true > > > in my case? or not? > > > > > > Other points he made were - I would not be a candidate for a lift > > at > > > all (I asked) , and they should return to their A status (From C > > > cup); My pain would be far less than if I got an implant exchange. > > > He noticed one was hanging a bit lower/folded a bit differently - I > > > noticed it too recently. > > > > > > His assistant will call me Tuesday - I have more questions for her > > > and want to confirm I can get copy of operating report etc. They > > > gave me two quotes one w/ capsulectomy and one without. It's a > > > grand more for that, which, of course, I would do. > > > > > > So, that is the scoop. Once I have the drain questions answered I > > > could make a better decison on him; am waiting on hearing back from > > > 2 others as well. He was respectful/unflappable about my needs, > > > which was good - I was prepared to walk out if I got attitude. It > > > was verrry weird to be there though - all these lovely women in the > > > waiting room, and wanted to grab them and drag them to lunch > > > saying 'you're fine, honey, you are beautiful as you are!' but it > > > wasn't the place to launch a PR campaign lol. My dear boyfriend > > > came with and, referencing the video they were playing, showing a > > > woman's Before and After breast shots, scoffed and said rather > > > loudly, 'look! there is nothing wrong with her in the first place! > > I > > > think she looked FINE'and then he mumbled 'this is all b.s.' I > > > burst out laughing. Thought that was pretty great. > > > > > > You know why I feel better today? Because I have STARTED the > > > process, the 'interviewing' if you will, and because I am informed, > > > and will continue to educate myself. > > >Emerald Kitty, > > Wow I am so proud of you at the PS consult, it sounds like you > > handled him perfectly and were ready. And very dignified ir I may say > > so. You and your significant other sound very put together especially > > for everything we women face,first getting the facts about implants > > and that validation that you know something is wrong it is not in > > your head, to going to your first consult,good job, > > Drains in my opinion are very important. I had my drains in 2 weeks. > > there was yellowish and light red fluid,Not that I wanted drains but > > so glad I didn't have to ask for them. I might not have known at that > > time, I had to milk the little tubes, they are soft and then empty > > the little plastic bulbs at the bottom, no big deal, but everytime I > > did milk them I knew that stuff coming out was better out of me than > > in.Who knows what fluid is left there have everything is removed. It > > was like they were being cleaned out so to speak. > > Just my opinion > > we are with you as you need us, > > Terri P > > Hawaii > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Starting the process is a huge step. I remember the feeling. Just hang in there and you will find the right doctor. I had drains for 5 days, and a lot of fluid drained. I can't imagine what that would have been like without drains. I also had a lift, but don't know if that made a difference. What I do know is that I had no complications from that explant, and my health has improved dramatically. In fact, I know it gave me my life back. This is an important decision. Take it just a step at a time, and interview doctors. You seem pretty good at this, so go to another and ask him these same questions. We are not only patients, we are customers - although doctors never see it that way. But we are the ones who need to decide whether they can do the job for us. > > >hi ladies! > > > >I had my meeting with the PS. I would love comments on the info I > >received. It wasn't as bad as thought it would be, and let me say > >first off, I wouldn't have known a thing had I not found you all. > > > >He stared off by saying I was a rare person who wanted them out > >totally but that was no problem and sounds like I had thought it out. > > > >I didn't mention enbloc initially - wanted to give him time to say > >what he'd naturally say. He said 'that is very easy - we wouldn't > >have to put you fully under, which is good, and it would take about > >1/2 hour, you'd walk out of here like nothing much happened. You > >could be back to normal activities in a week' > > > >I then asked 'so you don't do them enbloc?' and he said 'no, no, in > >your case there is no need to removed the capsule' I asked him why > >not and he responded with 'the capsule is essentially YOU, it's your > >scar tissue, and will eventually disintigrate in your body; Now if > >you were ruptured, leaking,had contracture, it would be a different > >story' > > > >I countered with 'and if a capsulectomy is important to me, how do > >you feel about that?' He proceded to say 'absolutely, I have done > >thousands of them, and if for some reason psychologically you want > >it all out, we can do that. But, why put yourself under a greater > >risk of full anesthisa, more bleeding, and more recovery if you > >don't have to.' I confirmed that it was important to me for my > >mental well being and asked him how many he has done, etc. He told > >me it would take at least an hour and a half (I know you all say > >should be at least 2 hrs) > > > >This is the point I want comments on - I asked if he used drains and > >he said 'no, no, I don't need drains with you'. Could that be true > >in my case? or not? > > > >Other points he made were - I would not be a candidate for a lift at > >all (I asked) , and they should return to their A status (From C > >cup); My pain would be far less than if I got an implant exchange. > >He noticed one was hanging a bit lower/folded a bit differently - I > >noticed it too recently. > > > >His assistant will call me Tuesday - I have more questions for her > >and want to confirm I can get copy of operating report etc. They > >gave me two quotes one w/ capsulectomy and one without. It's a > >grand more for that, which, of course, I would do. > > > >So, that is the scoop. Once I have the drain questions answered I > >could make a better decison on him; am waiting on hearing back from > >2 others as well. He was respectful/unflappable about my needs, > >which was good - I was prepared to walk out if I got attitude. It > >was verrry weird to be there though - all these lovely women in the > >waiting room, and wanted to grab them and drag them to lunch > >saying 'you're fine, honey, you are beautiful as you are!' but it > >wasn't the place to launch a PR campaign lol. My dear boyfriend > >came with and, referencing the video they were playing, showing a > >woman's Before and After breast shots, scoffed and said rather > >loudly, 'look! there is nothing wrong with her in the first place! I > >think she looked FINE'and then he mumbled 'this is all b.s.' I > >burst out laughing. Thought that was pretty great. > > > >You know why I feel better today? Because I have STARTED the > >process, the 'interviewing' if you will, and because I am informed, > >and will continue to educate myself. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Big name hospitals and surgeons do not usually take out implants properly, that is why we have doctors listed that we trust to do it right. We have heard the horror stories from the " big names " . Lynda At 04:29 PM 8/20/2006, you wrote: >oh, Terri, thanks you made me feel good! I appreciate the info >you shared on the drains. I can't beleive you had them in for 2 >wks! And, what's more, I can't believe most ps's don't use them. >What happens to all the fluid? your immune system just must deal >with it? It does seem like even 'interviewing' more " top surgeons " >is really spinning my wheels - and checking with a big name hospital >and reconstructive surgeon is the next step. These top surgeons >will be pretty much like the one I saw - he is well-known, lauded, >but absolutely doesn't understand a thing we talk about here. And I >will tell you another thing, I gestered to my cleavage, then pointed >at his Mercedes in the parking lot " look what these things paid >for! " > > > > > > > > hi ladies! > > > > > > I had my meeting with the PS. I would love comments on the info >I > > > received. It wasn't as bad as thought it would be, and let me >say > > > first off, I wouldn't have known a thing had I not found you >all. > > > > > > He stared off by saying I was a rare person who wanted them out > > > totally but that was no problem and sounds like I had thought it > > out. > > > > > > I didn't mention enbloc initially - wanted to give him time to >say > > > what he'd naturally say. He said 'that is very easy - we >wouldn't > > > have to put you fully under, which is good, and it would take >about > > > 1/2 hour, you'd walk out of here like nothing much happened. >You > > > could be back to normal activities in a week' > > > > > > I then asked 'so you don't do them enbloc?' and he said 'no, no, >in > > > your case there is no need to removed the capsule' I asked him >why > > > not and he responded with 'the capsule is essentially YOU, it's > > your > > > scar tissue, and will eventually disintigrate in your body; Now >if > > > you were ruptured, leaking,had contracture, it would be a >different > > > story' > > > > > > I countered with 'and if a capsulectomy is important to me, how >do > > > you feel about that?' He proceded to say 'absolutely, I have >done > > > thousands of them, and if for some reason psychologically you >want > > > it all out, we can do that. But, why put yourself under a >greater > > > risk of full anesthisa, more bleeding, and more recovery if you > > > don't have to.' I confirmed that it was important to me for my > > > mental well being and asked him how many he has done, etc. He >told > > > me it would take at least an hour and a half (I know you all say > > > should be at least 2 hrs) > > > > > > This is the point I want comments on - I asked if he used drains > > and > > > he said 'no, no, I don't need drains with you'. Could that be >true > > > in my case? or not? > > > > > > Other points he made were - I would not be a candidate for a >lift > > at > > > all (I asked) , and they should return to their A status (From C > > > cup); My pain would be far less than if I got an implant >exchange. > > > He noticed one was hanging a bit lower/folded a bit differently - >I > > > noticed it too recently. > > > > > > His assistant will call me Tuesday - I have more questions for >her > > > and want to confirm I can get copy of operating report etc. >They > > > gave me two quotes one w/ capsulectomy and one without. It's a > > > grand more for that, which, of course, I would do. > > > > > > So, that is the scoop. Once I have the drain questions answered >I > > > could make a better decison on him; am waiting on hearing back >from > > > 2 others as well. He was respectful/unflappable about my needs, > > > which was good - I was prepared to walk out if I got attitude. >It > > > was verrry weird to be there though - all these lovely women in >the > > > waiting room, and wanted to grab them and drag them to lunch > > > saying 'you're fine, honey, you are beautiful as you are!' but >it > > > wasn't the place to launch a PR campaign lol. My dear boyfriend > > > came with and, referencing the video they were playing, showing >a > > > woman's Before and After breast shots, scoffed and said rather > > > loudly, 'look! there is nothing wrong with her in the first >place! > > I > > > think she looked FINE'and then he mumbled 'this is all b.s.' I > > > burst out laughing. Thought that was pretty great. > > > > > > You know why I feel better today? Because I have STARTED the > > > process, the 'interviewing' if you will, and because I am >informed, > > > and will continue to educate myself. > > >Emerald Kitty, > > Wow I am so proud of you at the PS consult, it sounds like you > > handled him perfectly and were ready. And very dignified ir I may >say > > so. You and your significant other sound very put together >especially > > for everything we women face,first getting the facts about >implants > > and that validation that you know something is wrong it is not in > > your head, to going to your first consult,good job, > > Drains in my opinion are very important. I had my drains in 2 >weeks. > > there was yellowish and light red fluid,Not that I wanted drains >but > > so glad I didn't have to ask for them. I might not have known at >that > > time, I had to milk the little tubes, they are soft and then empty > > the little plastic bulbs at the bottom, no big deal, but everytime >I > > did milk them I knew that stuff coming out was better out of me >than > > in.Who knows what fluid is left there have everything is removed. >It > > was like they were being cleaned out so to speak. > > Just my opinion > > we are with you as you need us, > > Terri P > > Hawaii > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Shari, You made my day!! I have been working all day and evening on a woman't BI settlement claim. Ugh. The poor woman was mutilated by plastic surgeons...from a mastectomy for fibrous breast tissue (not cancer) to multiple ruptured implants and deformity. I am so sick of plastic surgeons right now that I can't be totally objective. Fast food plastic surgeons - boy is that the truth!!!!!! > > emerald.... > > ok..... Good Lord is all I can say... > I read your fist post and just had to wipe the water I was drinking and > consequently spit out all over my computer monitor..... it was deja-vu... I am > wondering, by the way, if we live in the same town..... don't mention any doc > names please..... > > OK - Remember - All I am about to say is my opinion based on my peronal > experience with my PS but I have been here a few years and have also have had my > share of BAD experiences during my implant nightmare.... also remember > that I am still very ill... this is why I am trying so hard to convince others > not to make the same mistakes I did and get the best help out there..... all > based on stories I have heard from other doctors and women that have had great > results - not myself > > #1 Not putting you out w/ General anesthesia? a big red flag.... > > #2 1/2 hour in and out - what is he a fast food plastic surgeon? does he > get paid by the minute? as far as I know a good explant should take at least 2 > hours or so at least from what I understand - with a lift maybe longer > > #3 not removing the capsules? a super big no-no.... every doc should remove > this - many women remain ill after the implants have been removed because of > this... the scar tissue can contain pieces of the silicone shell that has > rubbed off, mold or bacteria that has leaked out of the implant - all kinds of > crap - get those removed!!!! > > #4 drains - I for one did not have a doc that used these.....not such a good > idea.... > I did find one that did the general anesthesia.... he removed the > capsules (supposedly)... > he took his time - no problem there - did a great job too as I looked > great but did not > use drains.... I ended up 2 days after surgery having 1 breast start to > swell and look > weird... then went to him and after he unwrapped it, it looked like it > was implanted again... > turns out the " pocket " was collecting fluid - a hematoma that had to be > manually > drained - basically the area filled w/ blood and fluid and he went in w/ > a huge needle - no > anesthesia and drained it - 80cc's of fluid he got out... he had to do > this 2 separate > times. it was painful and it sucked for a lack of better terms... > > Later, After sending the implants off the be analyzed, I found they both > were horribly contaminated and leaking - (the doctor noticed this one the left > one BEFORE I SENT THEM OFF), and filled with all types of mold, etc.... the > junk that was being removed w/ his syringe from not having drains installed > would have been draining constantly and was probably full of this garbage and a > lot of it I am sure got absorbed into my system and caused a lot of the > issues I am having today... GET DRAINS... ALL THE NASTY POISON THAT IS LEFT > BEHIND AFTER THE EXPLANT, IS DRAINED IMMEDIATELY AND NOT LEFT INSIDE YOU TO BE > ABSORBED.... > > > I will also add this tidbit.. anybody with this attitude, saying it would > only be half an hour, no drains, much less pain with an exchange... he sounds > like a typical $$$ hound to me - not caring for your needs... keep in mind.... > when I went in - maybe it has changed in the last 3 years but I doubt it.... > if you got a removal they just get what you pay them less all the > expenses.... if they get an exchange, they bill the implant company and get all their $$ > back as they are a lifetime guarantee.... this is what a girl in my > original Ps's office told me a while back... the MFG pay all expenses for > replacements so this is why they push them - was so right? I don't know - maybe it was > just the doc I went to... maybe he still doesn't practice that way... I just > wanted to know why I was treated so badly when I asked for removal when he > had treated me so well the three times before when I had other > complications/replacements- this is what she told me..... just be careful. > > I would be very aware of anyone who offered explant in a short time without > capsule removal and General... sounds a little fishy to me - just do your > homework - weirder things have happened. Hindsight is 20/20...you DO NOT want > to be me in 2-3 years.... am in very bad shape... > > again - all this is my opinion - I am in no way telling you what to do - > just sharing my experience with you in hopes of keeping you from my mistakes.... > your doctor could be completely fine and on the up and up - just sharing > what happened with mine so you do your research > > best of luck to you > shari > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 it's all so disheartening; I should not have to travel to OHIO from CHICAGO - it blows my mind that there isn't one here who would not only agree to do it properly, but who'd suggest it in the first place. I have 5 more ps's I am calling this week - more stories to come > > > > > > > > hi ladies! > > > > > > > > I had my meeting with the PS. I would love comments on the info > >I > > > > received. It wasn't as bad as thought it would be, and let me > >say > > > > first off, I wouldn't have known a thing had I not found you > >all. > > > > > > > > He stared off by saying I was a rare person who wanted them out > > > > totally but that was no problem and sounds like I had thought it > > > out. > > > > > > > > I didn't mention enbloc initially - wanted to give him time to > >say > > > > what he'd naturally say. He said 'that is very easy - we > >wouldn't > > > > have to put you fully under, which is good, and it would take > >about > > > > 1/2 hour, you'd walk out of here like nothing much happened. > >You > > > > could be back to normal activities in a week' > > > > > > > > I then asked 'so you don't do them enbloc?' and he said 'no, no, > >in > > > > your case there is no need to removed the capsule' I asked him > >why > > > > not and he responded with 'the capsule is essentially YOU, it's > > > your > > > > scar tissue, and will eventually disintigrate in your body; Now > >if > > > > you were ruptured, leaking,had contracture, it would be a > >different > > > > story' > > > > > > > > I countered with 'and if a capsulectomy is important to me, how > >do > > > > you feel about that?' He proceded to say 'absolutely, I have > >done > > > > thousands of them, and if for some reason psychologically you > >want > > > > it all out, we can do that. But, why put yourself under a > >greater > > > > risk of full anesthisa, more bleeding, and more recovery if you > > > > don't have to.' I confirmed that it was important to me for my > > > > mental well being and asked him how many he has done, etc. He > >told > > > > me it would take at least an hour and a half (I know you all say > > > > should be at least 2 hrs) > > > > > > > > This is the point I want comments on - I asked if he used drains > > > and > > > > he said 'no, no, I don't need drains with you'. Could that be > >true > > > > in my case? or not? > > > > > > > > Other points he made were - I would not be a candidate for a > >lift > > > at > > > > all (I asked) , and they should return to their A status (From C > > > > cup); My pain would be far less than if I got an implant > >exchange. > > > > He noticed one was hanging a bit lower/folded a bit differently - > >I > > > > noticed it too recently. > > > > > > > > His assistant will call me Tuesday - I have more questions for > >her > > > > and want to confirm I can get copy of operating report etc. > >They > > > > gave me two quotes one w/ capsulectomy and one without. It's a > > > > grand more for that, which, of course, I would do. > > > > > > > > So, that is the scoop. Once I have the drain questions answered > >I > > > > could make a better decison on him; am waiting on hearing back > >from > > > > 2 others as well. He was respectful/unflappable about my needs, > > > > which was good - I was prepared to walk out if I got attitude. > >It > > > > was verrry weird to be there though - all these lovely women in > >the > > > > waiting room, and wanted to grab them and drag them to lunch > > > > saying 'you're fine, honey, you are beautiful as you are!' but > >it > > > > wasn't the place to launch a PR campaign lol. My dear boyfriend > > > > came with and, referencing the video they were playing, showing > >a > > > > woman's Before and After breast shots, scoffed and said rather > > > > loudly, 'look! there is nothing wrong with her in the first > >place! > > > I > > > > think she looked FINE'and then he mumbled 'this is all b.s.' I > > > > burst out laughing. Thought that was pretty great. > > > > > > > > You know why I feel better today? Because I have STARTED the > > > > process, the 'interviewing' if you will, and because I am > >informed, > > > > and will continue to educate myself. > > > >Emerald Kitty, > > > Wow I am so proud of you at the PS consult, it sounds like you > > > handled him perfectly and were ready. And very dignified ir I may > >say > > > so. You and your significant other sound very put together > >especially > > > for everything we women face,first getting the facts about > >implants > > > and that validation that you know something is wrong it is not in > > > your head, to going to your first consult,good job, > > > Drains in my opinion are very important. I had my drains in 2 > >weeks. > > > there was yellowish and light red fluid,Not that I wanted drains > >but > > > so glad I didn't have to ask for them. I might not have known at > >that > > > time, I had to milk the little tubes, they are soft and then empty > > > the little plastic bulbs at the bottom, no big deal, but everytime > >I > > > did milk them I knew that stuff coming out was better out of me > >than > > > in.Who knows what fluid is left there have everything is removed. > >It > > > was like they were being cleaned out so to speak. > > > Just my opinion > > > we are with you as you need us, > > > Terri P > > > Hawaii > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Thanks Molly it IS a huge step. I mustn't get overwhelmed. They've been in this long, so a few more weeks/months more is worth it if it brings me the right ps to get them out. I actually feel better and am so far staying upbeat. thanks. > > > > >hi ladies! > > > > > >I had my meeting with the PS. I would love comments on the info I > > >received. It wasn't as bad as thought it would be, and let me say > > >first off, I wouldn't have known a thing had I not found you all. > > > > > >He stared off by saying I was a rare person who wanted them out > > >totally but that was no problem and sounds like I had thought it out. > > > > > >I didn't mention enbloc initially - wanted to give him time to say > > >what he'd naturally say. He said 'that is very easy - we wouldn't > > >have to put you fully under, which is good, and it would take about > > >1/2 hour, you'd walk out of here like nothing much happened. You > > >could be back to normal activities in a week' > > > > > >I then asked 'so you don't do them enbloc?' and he said 'no, no, in > > >your case there is no need to removed the capsule' I asked him why > > >not and he responded with 'the capsule is essentially YOU, it's your > > >scar tissue, and will eventually disintigrate in your body; Now if > > >you were ruptured, leaking,had contracture, it would be a different > > >story' > > > > > >I countered with 'and if a capsulectomy is important to me, how do > > >you feel about that?' He proceded to say 'absolutely, I have done > > >thousands of them, and if for some reason psychologically you want > > >it all out, we can do that. But, why put yourself under a greater > > >risk of full anesthisa, more bleeding, and more recovery if you > > >don't have to.' I confirmed that it was important to me for my > > >mental well being and asked him how many he has done, etc. He told > > >me it would take at least an hour and a half (I know you all say > > >should be at least 2 hrs) > > > > > >This is the point I want comments on - I asked if he used drains and > > >he said 'no, no, I don't need drains with you'. Could that be true > > >in my case? or not? > > > > > >Other points he made were - I would not be a candidate for a lift at > > >all (I asked) , and they should return to their A status (From C > > >cup); My pain would be far less than if I got an implant exchange. > > >He noticed one was hanging a bit lower/folded a bit differently - I > > >noticed it too recently. > > > > > >His assistant will call me Tuesday - I have more questions for her > > >and want to confirm I can get copy of operating report etc. They > > >gave me two quotes one w/ capsulectomy and one without. It's a > > >grand more for that, which, of course, I would do. > > > > > >So, that is the scoop. Once I have the drain questions answered I > > >could make a better decison on him; am waiting on hearing back from > > >2 others as well. He was respectful/unflappable about my needs, > > >which was good - I was prepared to walk out if I got attitude. It > > >was verrry weird to be there though - all these lovely women in the > > >waiting room, and wanted to grab them and drag them to lunch > > >saying 'you're fine, honey, you are beautiful as you are!' but it > > >wasn't the place to launch a PR campaign lol. My dear boyfriend > > >came with and, referencing the video they were playing, showing a > > >woman's Before and After breast shots, scoffed and said rather > > >loudly, 'look! there is nothing wrong with her in the first place! I > > >think she looked FINE'and then he mumbled 'this is all b.s.' I > > >burst out laughing. Thought that was pretty great. > > > > > >You know why I feel better today? Because I have STARTED the > > >process, the 'interviewing' if you will, and because I am informed, > > >and will continue to educate myself. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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