Re: Cleanse #8 update

[Guest guest]

helge.gundersen@... writes:

> Your message reminded me of the (re)post from the archives quoted

> below: gallstones/message/8047

> This person could have passed a few stones embedded in the stool, of

> course, but it still can't have been a lot compared to his relief

What was it that reminded you of that post in what I wrote? Was it just the

part about no visible stones, or was there something else that I missed?

Thanks.

in health,

[Guest guest]

Hi Adrienne

Thanks for your thoughts. I'll try to answer your questions. I have

basically been doing the flush every two weeks, as suggested. Last week I

mentioned that I was thinking about doing it even though only a week had

passed, but I didn't. I could wait longer than two weeks, sure. In fact,

that's part of the plan anyway. I had decided that when I stopped seeing

results I would move to doing it once a month and then two months, etc...

until I was at the point of doing it every six months. Let me clarify

something here - I'm not disappointed in the least in the results of this

cleanse. Whatever that egg-white type substance was, I'm glad it's out of

there. And in previous BMs (prior to the egg-white stuff) I did see a

handful of stones, and so the combination of the above leads me to the

conclusion that it was a success. Just an odd one, perhaps, compared to what

I was used to. But then, each cleanse is bound to be different, since the

body is changing along the way.

I haven't mentioned symptoms because I haven't really had any to speak of. I

did have two minor episodes last weekend (which is part of the reason that I

don't really think I'm nearing the end just yet). They were very short -

less than 10 minutes each and both triggered by unhealthy food choices.

Aside from those, I really haven't had any symptoms as far as pain goes. I

did see a reappearance of the burping and flatulence for a short time there,

too.

Interestingly enough, though, this morning I have started feeling that sort

of " tight " feeling right below the " v " in my ribcage. Previously, for me,

that has precipitated a gallbladder attack. But I have definitely not

consumed anything that would trigger an attack, so I'll be interested to see

what happens with this one. I'm wondering if it has anything to do with the

ParaGone going to work. I'll wait and see what happens. It's not pain -

just a very VERY slight tightness, so I'm sure it will pass.

Thanks for your thoughts - much appreciated.

in health,

adriennelynn1@... writes:

> You have me stumped, as far as your results go. Couple thoughts came

> to mind, but they're just speculation ;-). I know you've been doing

> your cleanses fairly close together. That may effect the results of

> the cleanse, in the sense that either you are dwindling down to the

> last layers of stuff in the liver/GB, or as I've kind of had the

> feeling for myself, that I needed to go longer between cleanses. Dr.

> mentions in her book the two week interval to give the body time

> to roll the stones forward. As time went on for me...it felt right to

> wait one month between cleanses. I don't think you've mentioned your

> symptoms in a while. I was wondering if they have subsided between

> cleanses, and to what degree. Do you think you could wait a little

> longer between cleanses? Just my thoughts, based upon my own

> experience.

> As I've waited between cleanses, I kept expecting my symptoms to

> reappear, but they haven't, so the one month interval has continued to

> feel right. Obviously my symptoms would be different(since I don't

> have my GB), what I mean is...I kept thinking my uncomfortable gas

> feeling would return. But, I think you do have to go with your gut

> feeling on this. IMO, everything you've said you're doing is good for

> you, so I'd trust that too.

> Adrienne

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/16/02 11:16:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

helge.gundersen@... writes:

> Just that there was another person getting great results without

> visible stones (although he didn't look closely)...

>

Okay, thanks. And just to clarify, I did see some stones in an earlier BM,

but the one that I mentioned where I didn't specifically see stones (just

that green, gel-like substance) was in a bm later in the day. Since I had

not had any solid food in the two days prior, there wasn't any stool in the

bm.

thanks for your observations

[Guest guest]

,

Your message reminded me of the (re)post from the archives quoted

below: gallstones/message/8047

This person could have passed a few stones embedded in the stool, of

course, but it still can't have been a lot compared to his relief.

-- Helge

I didn't pass any visible stones, not that I checked all that

thoroughly, but I did pass a very greenish stool and I felt pretty good.

[...]

little. I felt decent and decided to do a test. I ordered a great big

cheese burger and a large chocolate milk shake. Prior to the flush for

over a week, even the slightest fat consumption and I was keeled over in

pain, I figured if I got through this meal okay, then I was cured.

I'm happy to say that I have not had any pain now for the last month and

a half since I did the flush. I recently went for an abdominal

ultrasound and I was diagnosed with an empty healthy gallbladder.

wrote:

>speculation again). What I did get was a lot of (sorry - this is kinda

>gross) sort of slimy stuff. One could say that it was the oil being

>eliminated, but it held together - sort of the consistency of uncooked egg

>whites. It was greenish - that bile color we all know so well, hehe. But

>in the middle of part of it was a black dot - just about the size of the head

>of a pin. My guess is that it would have been in the middle of a gallstone,

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

You have me stumped, as far as your results go. Couple thoughts came

to mind, but they're just speculation ;-). I know you've been doing

your cleanses fairly close together. That may effect the results of

the cleanse, in the sense that either you are dwindling down to the

last layers of stuff in the liver/GB, or as I've kind of had the

feeling for myself, that I needed to go longer between cleanses. Dr.

mentions in her book the two week interval to give the body time

to roll the stones forward. As time went on for me...it felt right to

wait one month between cleanses. I don't think you've mentioned your

symptoms in a while. I was wondering if they have subsided between

cleanses, and to what degree. Do you think you could wait a little

longer between cleanses? Just my thoughts, based upon my own

experience.

As I've waited between cleanses, I kept expecting my symptoms to

reappear, but they haven't, so the one month interval has continued to

feel right. Obviously my symptoms would be different(since I don't

have my GB), what I mean is...I kept thinking my uncomfortable gas

feeling would return. But, I think you do have to go with your gut

feeling on this. IMO, everything you've said you're doing is good for

you, so I'd trust that too.

Adrienne

--- Rachd1961@... wrote:

> Well, I didn't really see the typical results from this cleanse.

> It's

> possible that it has to do with the juice fast for the two days

> previous to

> the cleanse. Just a speculation there. Or it's possible that I've

> eliminated most of what I needed to - but I just have a 'gut' feeling

> that's

> not the case. I do think that it has more to do with the volume of

>

> apple/lemon juice I've been drinking. I think that perhaps it did

> more to

> dissolve the stones and they came out in a different form. ?? (just

> speculation again). What I did get was a lot of (sorry - this is

> kinda

> gross) sort of slimy stuff. One could say that it was the oil being

>

> eliminated, but it held together - sort of the consistency of

> uncooked egg

> whites. It was greenish - that bile color we all know so well,

> hehe. But

> in the middle of part of it was a black dot - just about the size of

> the head

> of a pin. My guess is that it would have been in the middle of a

> gallstone,

> but the stone dissolved and that's what came out.

>

> Now also, I've been taking the ParaGone parasite cleanse since

> Wednesday, so

> it's possible that has had an effect on what came out of the

> gallbladder/liver, too.

>

> If anyone has any thoughts/speculations on any of the above, I'm glad

> to hear

> them. As always, I'm just glad to have eliminated whatever I did and

> have it

> on the outside rather than the inside.

>

> thanks for listening,

> in health,

>

>

>

> I had a dream the other night that I eliminated something and when I

> poked

> at it, it opened up and was filled with gallstones. But not the kind

> of

> gallstones we usually see - these were white and smooth.

>

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[Guest guest]

Just that there was another person getting great results without

visible stones (although he didn't look closely)...

hg

>helge.gundersen@... writes:

>> Your message reminded me of the (re)post from the archives quoted

>> below:

>><gallstones/message/8047>http://\

/group/gallstones/message/8047

>> This person could have passed a few stones embedded in the stool, of

>> course, but it still can't have been a lot compared to his relief

>

>What was it that reminded you of that post in what I wrote? Was it just the

>part about no visible stones, or was there something else that I missed?

[Guest guest]

barry91162@... writes:

> That slight tightness you are feeling may be more stones (that you

> have softened in preperation) pushing out of your liver ducts and

> down through the common duct. I have felt that before (Usually for

> the first week between the two weeks of cleansing).

Thanks for those thoughts, Barry. That makes sense - especially considering

the volume of Granny apple juice and lemon juice that I've been

ingesting recently.

>

> If you really wanted to check (which I'm sure you don't..:-)..), you could

> disect

> your stool and most likely see more stones inside there. The oil,

> which is still in your system for several days, will help to

> naturally cleanse your body over the few days following the flush.

Well, believe it or not, I have poked around a little. (How many places

could a person admit THAT? <grin>) With a stick of course!!! I can't

really say that I saw anything of interest. (did I really write that about

stool???)

> The results are always different like you've said. Maybe changing off

> of ES, maybe what you've been eating the few days prior, maybe your

> overall general health (stress, sleeping habits, etc) can all be

> factors to change the results.

I haven't use ES in a cleanse since probably November, but I have had a lot

of changes otherwise, and maybe this was just a different segment of

cleansing for me!

> Also, I've seen those little black balls before. Mine were actually

> pigment stones because they were bigger. Around 2mm-4mm in size. I've

> also seen the black grainy sandy stuff too.

> I've never seen the egg stuff, or have ever had dreams about cutting

> open an organ either. :-)

How weird was that dream???? But - after what you wrote about the

possibility of the tight feeling being from additional stones being flushed

out - doesn't it make sense? I mean - in the dream there were a lot of

smooth little stones in one location.... So maybe my body was just telling

something to my brain and I needed you to interpret it. :)

in health,

[Guest guest]

,

That slight tightness you are feeling may be more stones (that you

have softened in preperation) pushing out of your liver ducts and

down through the common duct. I have felt that before (Usually for

the first week between the two weeks of cleansing). If you really

wanted to check (which I'm sure you don't..:-)..), you could disect

your stool and most likely see more stones inside there. The oil,

which is still in your system for several days, will help to

naturally cleanse your body over the few days following the flush.

The results are always different like you've said. Maybe changing off

of ES, maybe what you've been eating the few days prior, maybe your

overall general health (stress, sleeping habits, etc) can all be

factors to change the results.

Also, I've seen those little black balls before. Mine were actually

pigment stones because they were bigger. Around 2mm-4mm in size. I've

also seen the black grainy sandy stuff too.

I've never seen the egg stuff, or have ever had dreams about cutting

open an organ either. :-)

Be Healthy.

Barry.

> Hi Adrienne

> Thanks for your thoughts. I'll try to answer your questions. I

have

> basically been doing the flush every two weeks, as suggested. Last

week I

> mentioned that I was thinking about doing it even though only a

week had

> passed, but I didn't. I could wait longer than two weeks, sure.

In fact,

> that's part of the plan anyway. I had decided that when I stopped

seeing

> results I would move to doing it once a month and then two months,

etc...

> until I was at the point of doing it every six months. Let me

clarify

> something here - I'm not disappointed in the least in the results

of this

> cleanse. Whatever that egg-white type substance was, I'm glad it's

out of

> there. And in previous BMs (prior to the egg-white stuff) I did

see a

> handful of stones, and so the combination of the above leads me to

the

> conclusion that it was a success. Just an odd one, perhaps,

compared to what

> I was used to. But then, each cleanse is bound to be different,

since the

> body is changing along the way.

>

> I haven't mentioned symptoms because I haven't really had any to

speak of. I

> did have two minor episodes last weekend (which is part of the

reason that I

> don't really think I'm nearing the end just yet). They were very

short -

> less than 10 minutes each and both triggered by unhealthy food

choices.

> Aside from those, I really haven't had any symptoms as far as pain

goes. I

> did see a reappearance of the burping and flatulence for a short

time there,

> too.

>

> Interestingly enough, though, this morning I have started feeling

that sort

> of " tight " feeling right below the " v " in my ribcage. Previously,

for me,

> that has precipitated a gallbladder attack. But I have definitely

not

> consumed anything that would trigger an attack, so I'll be

interested to see

> what happens with this one. I'm wondering if it has anything to do

with the

> ParaGone going to work. I'll wait and see what happens. It's not

pain -

> just a very VERY slight tightness, so I'm sure it will pass.

>

> Thanks for your thoughts - much appreciated.

> in health,

>

>

>

>

>

>

> adriennelynn1@y... writes:

>

>

> > You have me stumped, as far as your results go. Couple thoughts

came

> > to mind, but they're just speculation ;-). I know you've been

doing

> > your cleanses fairly close together. That may effect the results

of

> > the cleanse, in the sense that either you are dwindling down to

the

> > last layers of stuff in the liver/GB, or as I've kind of had the

> > feeling for myself, that I needed to go longer between cleanses.

Dr.

> > mentions in her book the two week interval to give the body

time

> > to roll the stones forward. As time went on for me...it felt

right to

> > wait one month between cleanses. I don't think you've mentioned

your

> > symptoms in a while. I was wondering if they have subsided

between

> > cleanses, and to what degree. Do you think you could wait a

little

> > longer between cleanses? Just my thoughts, based upon my own

> > experience.

> > As I've waited between cleanses, I kept expecting my symptoms to

> > reappear, but they haven't, so the one month interval has

continued to

> > feel right. Obviously my symptoms would be different(since I

don't

> > have my GB), what I mean is...I kept thinking my uncomfortable gas

> > feeling would return. But, I think you do have to go with your gut

> > feeling on this. IMO, everything you've said you're doing is good

for

> > you, so I'd trust that too.

> > Adrienne

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

barry91162@... writes:

> That feeling is actually pretty common for me. I've felt stones

> moving through days after a flush. One time I had that mid-week mini-

> flush that blew me away. It was almost as if I had done the full

> flush in the middle of the day. It was after eating some greasy

> stuff. I'm sure that is what caused the action. It was great. Made me

> feel happy afterwards to #% & * my brains out. My wife was wondering

> why I was smiling after coming out of the bathroom. :-)

LOL - keep her guessing.

I had an interesting experience earlier today. I wish I had been home when

this happened. I was at church and needed to use the bathroom. I have

greatly increased my intake of water, so it's frequently necessary.

Anyway, I'd already had not one, but TWO bm's this morning (where else could

we write about these things??) and so I was very surprised to have a third.

It was the kind of feeling that I usually have the morning after doing a gb

cleanse, so I was wondering if I'd possibly passed some stones.

Unfortunately, like I said, I was not at home and the elimination sank

quickly out of sight.

I thought of that 'tight' sort of feeling I'd had and that's what made me

wonder if that was a delayed elimination from the Friday night gb cleanse.

I guess I'll never know......

in health,

rachel~

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/17/02 10:37:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,

barry91162@... writes:

> When it sank to the bottom, you were lucky you didn't get caught by

> fishing around in the church toilet by the pastors wife. They

> probably would have called all the elders in the bathroom to lay

> hands on you. haha

>

Barry - you laugh, but I have to tell you that I waited there until nobody

else was in the ladies room so I could see if there were any cups around.

How gross is that? And how INCREDIBLY awkward would it have been if I'd

found a paper cup and was seen scooping! OMG - what have I become???? :)

heehee,

rachel~

[Guest guest]

,

That last comment almost sounds like the gift of interpeting tongues.

The gift of interpreting gb dreams in this case. :-)

That feeling is actually pretty common for me. I've felt stones

moving through days after a flush. One time I had that mid-week mini-

flush that blew me away. It was almost as if I had done the full

flush in the middle of the day. It was after eating some greasy

stuff. I'm sure that is what caused the action. It was great. Made me

feel happy afterwards to #% & * my brains out. My wife was wondering

why I was smiling after coming out of the bathroom. :-)

Happy Flushing.

Barry.

> barry91162@y... writes:

> > That slight tightness you are feeling may be more stones (that

you

> > have softened in preperation) pushing out of your liver ducts and

> > down through the common duct. I have felt that before (Usually

for

> > the first week between the two weeks of cleansing).

>

> Thanks for those thoughts, Barry. That makes sense - especially

considering

> the volume of Granny apple juice and lemon juice that I've

been

> ingesting recently.

>

> >

> > If you really wanted to check (which I'm sure you don't..:-)..),

you could

> > disect

> > your stool and most likely see more stones inside there. The oil,

> > which is still in your system for several days, will help to

> > naturally cleanse your body over the few days following the

flush.

>

> Well, believe it or not, I have poked around a little. (How many

places

> could a person admit THAT? <grin>) With a stick of course!!! I

can't

> really say that I saw anything of interest. (did I really write

that about

> stool???)

>

> > The results are always different like you've said. Maybe changing

off

> > of ES, maybe what you've been eating the few days prior, maybe

your

> > overall general health (stress, sleeping habits, etc) can all be

> > factors to change the results.

>

> I haven't use ES in a cleanse since probably November, but I have

had a lot

> of changes otherwise, and maybe this was just a different segment

of

> cleansing for me!

>

> > Also, I've seen those little black balls before. Mine were

actually

> > pigment stones because they were bigger. Around 2mm-4mm in size.

I've

> > also seen the black grainy sandy stuff too.

> > I've never seen the egg stuff, or have ever had dreams about

cutting

> > open an organ either. :-)

>

> How weird was that dream???? But - after what you wrote about the

> possibility of the tight feeling being from additional stones being

flushed

> out - doesn't it make sense? I mean - in the dream there were a

lot of

> smooth little stones in one location.... So maybe my body was just

telling

> something to my brain and I needed you to interpret it. :)

>

> in health,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

When it sank to the bottom, you were lucky you didn't get caught by

fishing around in the church toilet by the pastors wife. They

probably would have called all the elders in the bathroom to lay

hands on you. haha

I've had softer stools for the first week after a flush. I think it's

all the oil cycling through the body. Helps to keep not only the skin

soft, but BM's as well.

Barry.

> barry91162@y... writes:

> > That feeling is actually pretty common for me. I've felt stones

> > moving through days after a flush. One time I had that mid-week

mini-

> > flush that blew me away. It was almost as if I had done the full

> > flush in the middle of the day. It was after eating some greasy

> > stuff. I'm sure that is what caused the action. It was great.

Made me

> > feel happy afterwards to #% & * my brains out. My wife was

wondering

> > why I was smiling after coming out of the bathroom. :-)

>

> LOL - keep her guessing.

> I had an interesting experience earlier today. I wish I had been

home when

> this happened. I was at church and needed to use the bathroom. I

have

> greatly increased my intake of water, so it's frequently

necessary.

> Anyway, I'd already had not one, but TWO bm's this morning (where

else could

> we write about these things??) and so I was very surprised to have

a third.

> It was the kind of feeling that I usually have the morning after

doing a gb

> cleanse, so I was wondering if I'd possibly passed some stones.

> Unfortunately, like I said, I was not at home and the elimination

sank

> quickly out of sight.

>

> I thought of that 'tight' sort of feeling I'd had and that's what

made me

> wonder if that was a delayed elimination from the Friday night gb

cleanse.

> I guess I'll never know......

>

> in health,

> rachel~

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Signs of a true Liver/GB flusher...

They always look curiously at their stools.

They are those people who stand around sheepishly in the public

restroom waiting for everyone else to leave so that thay can bend

down and look at their BM's. :-)

Don't worry , we all do the same thing. We've become....stool

observers (to put it nicely).

hahaha

Happy Health.

Barry.

> In a message dated 2/17/02 10:37:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> barry91162@y... writes:

>

>

> > When it sank to the bottom, you were lucky you didn't get caught

by

> > fishing around in the church toilet by the pastors wife. They

> > probably would have called all the elders in the bathroom to lay

> > hands on you. haha

> >

>

> Barry - you laugh, but I have to tell you that I waited there until

nobody

> else was in the ladies room so I could see if there were any cups

around.

> How gross is that? And how INCREDIBLY awkward would it have been

if I'd

> found a paper cup and was seen scooping! OMG - what have I

become???? :)

>

> heehee,

> rachel~

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Once you become a flusher (I did say FLUSHER) is there any cure for the

observancy or is it for life?

A soon to be flusher

nne

> They always look curiously at their stools.

> They are those people who stand around sheepishly in the public

> restroom waiting for everyone else to leave so that thay can bend

> down and look at their BM's. :-)

>

> Don't worry , we all do the same thing. We've become....stool

> observers (to put it nicely).

>

[Guest guest]

marianne2406@... writes:

> Once you become a flusher (I did say FLUSHER) is there any cure for the

> observancy or is it for life?

> A soon to be flusher

Sorta like the commercial for Lay's potato chips......nobody can flush just

once!

rachel~

[Guest guest]

barry91162@... writes:

> Signs of a true Liver/GB flusher...

> They always look curiously at their stools.

> They are those people who stand around sheepishly in the public

> restroom waiting for everyone else to leave so that thay can bend

> down and look at their BM's. :-)

> Don't worry , we all do the same thing. We've become....stool

> observers (to put it nicely).

>

Well.....all I can say is - at least I'm in good company.

rachel~

[Guest guest]

nne,

It's very simple and logical really. If you flush, you look. If you

don't flush, you probably don't look as much. :-)

hahaha

> Once you become a flusher (I did say FLUSHER) is there any cure for

the

> observancy or is it for life?

> A soon to be flusher

> nne

>

>

> > They always look curiously at their stools.

> > They are those people who stand around sheepishly in the public

> > restroom waiting for everyone else to leave so that thay can bend

> > down and look at their BM's. :-)

> >

> > Don't worry , we all do the same thing. We've

become....stool

> > observers (to put it nicely).

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks , appreciated - nne

> Sorta like the commercial for Lay's potato chips......nobody can flush just

> once!

>