Re: new to list & questions

[Guest guest]

spear009@... writes:

> Also, I am seeing many flush protocols/recipies. Is there a favorite

> among a majority of this group?

>

Hi Lis

Welcome to the group! I think it's great that you are attempting to do what

you can to avoid surgery if possible. As for a 'favorite', I'd say that a

good number of people follow Hulda 's protocol for the cleanse.

Personally, I do somewhat of a variation of the one on www.relfe.com.

I've tried different versions as I went along. You'll find the one that

works right for you.

in health,

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/16/02 8:41:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

barry91162@... writes:

> I think the liver, soft

> stones are easy to flush and the body will normally do that anyway or

> we would be soon having stones coming out our ears. The gb stones, in

> my opinion, are a different monster altogether. The bigger and harder

> they are, the harder they will come out.

It's my understanding that there are two types of 'stones' that come from the

gallbladder and then the smoother stones that come directly from the liver.

Just to clarify - it's the calcified stones from the gallbladder that are

tougher to get out, but the cholesterol ones, also from the gallbladder, are

what we commonly see when we do the flushes.

Just a slight difference, but I thought it was worth mentioning....

in health,

[Guest guest]

Hi Lis,

Welcome to the group. I too am like you. 39 yrs old, genetic gb

stones history. My family seems to be all riping out their gb's by 40

years of age. I have decided to try and clean mine up and keep it.

God didn't give us any extra organs so I think mine is there for a

vital digestive reason.

Most people on here use the Dr. Hulga cleanse because it is

easier to do. You can read all about it at http://www.curezone.com

There are a few cleanses listed there. You will find a lot of useful

info there that will also answer a lot of your questions. Read the

testimonies and look at the photos of the different types of stones.

The one you are referring to sounds like a pigment or calcified

variety of stone.

I have flushed out over 2,000 soft liver cholesterol stones over 2

1/2 months with 5 Dr. flushes. I have a 1.1cm calcified, harder

gb stone still showing up on ultrasound. I think the liver, soft

stones are easy to flush and the body will normally do that anyway or

we would be soon having stones coming out our ears. The gb stones, in

my opinion, are a different monster altogether. The bigger and harder

they are, the harder they will come out. You may have to treat them

and try and reduce the size over several months before they will come

out. I'm still trying to do that. Check by ultrasound and see what

size stone(s) are in your gb. The calcified stones will show on

ultrasound whereas the softer cholesterol stones will probably not

show. Flushing, dieting, herbs, medicines, etc will help to soften or

reduce the size over time. Do your research. In the meantime, do some

flushes because you will clean out a lot of sludge and gunk, liver

stones, and start on the process of cleaning your system and keeping

your gb. Some people have actually cleared out the hard gb stones

with only a few flushes and with proper diet. You never know until

you try. You will get instant relief for sure. It all depends on the

condition of your gb, bile, liver (how sluggish it is) that will

determine what amount of reconditioning that your body will need to

get back to proper order.

Good luck.

Barry.

> Hello,

>

> I'm 38 and have been experiencing " gall bladder attacks " when

eating

> fats for about a year. I come from a long line of gallbladder

> problems people and I am highly motivated to avoid the gallbladder

> surgery that has become a 40th birthday event for just about all my

> relatives! A question I have has to do with my mom's path report

> following her surgery. It describes her g.b. contents as

> " bilirubinate " stones. I saw them, they looked like little black

> pieces of coral. Are these stones fundamentally different from

> cholesterol stones? If so, would cleanses be different to treat

them?

>

> Also, I am seeing many flush protocols/recipies. Is there a

favorite

> among a majority of this group?

>

> Thank you!!!

> Lis

[Guest guest]

I think I am leaning toward the Hulda protocol also. Having

read a few, it seems the most " do-able " . Is it critical to do the

parasite cleanse and kidney cleanse as stated on curezone site?

Regarding gallbladder ultrasound, I have had one of sorts. I work in

prenatal and one of the techs(who used to do GI ultrasound) took a

look and did not see anything amiss. However, my mom's did not show

this way either. Hers appeared as what that tech referred to as

" sludge " . Maybe it has something to do with composition of the stones

and how the ultrasound images them? I have a doc order for an

abdominal CT to check this out---I'm almost afraid to do that and

getting railroaded into surgery.

I'm thinking I'll get my ducks in a row, do a couple rounds and then

see what happens.

thanks, Lis

> > Hello,

> >

> > I'm 38 and have been experiencing " gall bladder attacks " when

> eating

> > fats for about a year. I come from a long line of gallbladder

> > problems people and I am highly motivated to avoid the gallbladder

> > surgery that has become a 40th birthday event for just about all

my

> > relatives! A question I have has to do with my mom's path report

> > following her surgery. It describes her g.b. contents as

> > " bilirubinate " stones. I saw them, they looked like little black

> > pieces of coral. Are these stones fundamentally different from

> > cholesterol stones? If so, would cleanses be different to treat

> them?

> >

> > Also, I am seeing many flush protocols/recipies. Is there a

> favorite

> > among a majority of this group?

> >

> > Thank you!!!

> > Lis

[Guest guest]

Lis, the stones come out in many different shapes, colors, sizes. Each flush is

different for each person. Most people follow Hulda flush but there are

many different ones. Some of us use lots more olive oil and grapefruit.

of Deberry Hill

Hello,

I'm 38 and have been experiencing " gall bladder attacks " when eating

fats for about a year. I come from a long line of gallbladder

problems people and I am highly motivated to avoid the gallbladder

surgery that has become a 40th birthday event for just about all my

relatives! A question I have has to do with my mom's path report

following her surgery. It describes her g.b. contents as

" bilirubinate " stones. I saw them, they looked like little black

pieces of coral. Are these stones fundamentally different from

cholesterol stones? If so, would cleanses be different to treat them?

Also, I am seeing many flush protocols/recipies. Is there a favorite

among a majority of this group?

Thank you!!!

Lis

" People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is

out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there

is alight within. " -Kubler Ross

" Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that

followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. "

Holy Bible

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/17/02 9:29:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,

barry91162@... writes:

> This cleanse is definitely cleaning your liver. Cleansing the gb of a

> hard calcified stone 3 times bigger than the duct is a lot harder.

> Soft cholesterol stones 3 times larger will squeeze out easily.

I guess we've just learned differently about the stones. That's okay.

The important thing is that we're both working to get them out - whatever

kind they are and wherever they came from. I guess I'm fortunate in that I

don't have the calcified stones that you do to deal with.

Yes - this is definitely a combination gb/liver cleanse. Two for the price

of one, so to speak. This week i'm definitely going to contact my

doctor's office to get those ultrasound pictures. (I just keep forgetting to

call during the day). Since cholesterol stones don't generally show up on an

ultrasound, I'd like to know what they saw. The written report just said

" multiple stones " . I vaguely remember the surgeon pointing to an area -

not just one spot. I didn't know much back then, so I didn't really know

what I was looking at.

On a lighter note....I thought of you this evening. Before you get too

flattered <grin> I thought of you when I flushed! The reason was that I went

to flush and nothing happened. Momentary chagrin - but it was just that

chain thingy that had come loose, so I was able to fix it. But it reminded

me of the many times you've reminded us all to keep our toilets in good

working order, lol!

in health,

rachel~

[Guest guest]

,

I actually think the soft cholesterol stones we usually get out by

the hundreds in a flush is from the miles of liver ducts inside the

liver. This would explain why we would get hundreds out during a

flush which couldn't all fit inside of a gb the size of a little

bigger than your thumb. Of course some cholesterol stones also come

out of the gb but I think the liver is cleansed of the big number of

stones that we see. This is why a lot of people don't understand

where hundreds of stones are coming from and get skeptical of the

whole procedure.

This cleanse is definitely cleaning your liver. Cleansing the gb of a

hard calcified stone 3 times bigger than the duct is a lot harder.

Soft cholesterol stones 3 times larger will squeeze out easily.

Barry.

> In a message dated 2/16/02 8:41:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> barry91162@y... writes:

>

>

> > I think the liver, soft

> > stones are easy to flush and the body will normally do that

anyway or

> > we would be soon having stones coming out our ears. The gb

stones, in

> > my opinion, are a different monster altogether. The bigger and

harder

> > they are, the harder they will come out.

>

> It's my understanding that there are two types of 'stones' that

come from the

> gallbladder and then the smoother stones that come directly from

the liver.

> Just to clarify - it's the calcified stones from the gallbladder

that are

> tougher to get out, but the cholesterol ones, also from the

gallbladder, are

> what we commonly see when we do the flushes.

>

> Just a slight difference, but I thought it was worth

mentioning....

>

> in health,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Yes, if you had the hard calcified stone that is just too big to pass

after 5 flushes, and it causes pain in the middle of the night after

eating a large meal, you would want to also 'investigate' the problem

that is specifically effecting you.

I have learned a lot about 'my stone'. Also, after reading in this

group, about people who have done several successful cleanses but

still have the original problem pain causes me to search deeper into

this method of gb stone removal.

I've reached a sort of theoretic conclusion about this whole process.

First of all I'd like to say that for everyone doing a cleanse, this

is only beneficial to your health. Everyone should try a cleanse or

few to clean out their liver and gb of gunk, sandy stuff, and softer

stones that may be 'hanging on'.

Some of us have cholesterol stones that are small, soft, and could be

causing some pain. BUT, I think most of the people who have bad colic

pain have not only sludge and cholesterol stones, but could most

likely have a gb blockage of the harder to pass calcified (which

means it is hard and will not 'squeeze' or soften to come out) stone.

This gb stone, after several flushes, will discourage someone into

thinking it isn't going to work. They are then led deeper into the

delemma of trying to reduce the stone, crush the stone, over many

months of herbs or some other medicine process. Always hanging on to

the hope of being able to keep their gb and finally get rid of that

terrible pain.

So, personally, after 5 (successful) liver, and gb, cleanses, I still

am at base 1 when it comes to the pain of gb attacks and having a gb

stone that will not come out. Cleaning my body is great, but my

reason to cleanse, vs. surgery, was to get the pain stone out.

What I'm trying to say is that I think a lot of people don't realize

what they have to do to get that calcified stone out. Those of us who

have that particular problem are digging deeper into the solution.

When was your ultrasound taken? Maybe you should get another current

one to see if those small stones are out. If they have shown up on

ultrasound, they probably are of the hard type. But, if they were

small enough, and your duct is 6mm (like you've said), then you can

easily remove them with a flush. (It's funny how we even know the

duct sizes of the fellow stonies in here..:-)...I'll bet even your

hubby doesn't know that!!! :-)...).

P.S. Thanks for thinking about me when you flushed your toilet and

the little chain thingy broke. :-) I'll remember to think of you

after my next POWER-ES drink. :-)

In Health.

Barry.

> In a message dated 2/17/02 9:29:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> barry91162@y... writes:

>

>

> > This cleanse is definitely cleaning your liver. Cleansing the gb

of a

> > hard calcified stone 3 times bigger than the duct is a lot

harder.

> > Soft cholesterol stones 3 times larger will squeeze out easily.

>

> I guess we've just learned differently about the stones. That's

okay.

> The important thing is that we're both working to get them out -

whatever

> kind they are and wherever they came from. I guess I'm fortunate

in that I

> don't have the calcified stones that you do to deal with.

>

> Yes - this is definitely a combination gb/liver cleanse. Two for

the price

> of one, so to speak. This week i'm definitely going to

contact my

> doctor's office to get those ultrasound pictures. (I just keep

forgetting to

> call during the day). Since cholesterol stones don't generally

show up on an

> ultrasound, I'd like to know what they saw. The written report

just said

> " multiple stones " . I vaguely remember the surgeon pointing to

an area -

> not just one spot. I didn't know much back then, so I didn't

really know

> what I was looking at.

>

> On a lighter note....I thought of you this evening. Before you

get too

> flattered <grin> I thought of you when I flushed! The reason was

that I went

> to flush and nothing happened. Momentary chagrin - but it was just

that

> chain thingy that had come loose, so I was able to fix it. But it

reminded

> me of the many times you've reminded us all to keep our toilets in

good

> working order, lol!

>

> in health,

> rachel~

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

barry91162@... writes:

> Yes, if you had the hard calcified stone that is just too big to pass

> after 5 flushes, and it causes pain in the middle of the night after

> eating a large meal, you would want to also 'investigate' the problem

> that is specifically effecting you.

You're so right. If I was in your shoes I would be searching high and low

for answers and I applaud your commitment to finding a natural solution.

> I've reached a sort of theoretic conclusion about this whole process.

> First of all I'd like to say that for everyone doing a cleanse, this

> is only beneficial to your health. Everyone should try a cleanse or

> few to clean out their liver and gb of gunk, sandy stuff, and softer

> stones that may be 'hanging on'.

I couldn't agree more. I hope that one day this information will be more

common and more people will do cleansing - not just as a relief from pain,

but as an overall health improvement.

> Some of us have cholesterol stones that are small, soft, and could be

> causing some pain. BUT, I think most of the people who have bad colic

> pain have not only sludge and cholesterol stones, but could most

> likely have a gb blockage of the harder to pass calcified (which

> means it is hard and will not 'squeeze' or soften to come out) stone.

>

I'm thankful to say that I'm in the first category. I think that my

experience has been quite mild in comparison with what you and others have

written.

And I think it's great that you've shared so much of your experience out

here. I'm sure that there are plenty of lurkers out there who are in a

similar situation and have gained a lot by your learning.

> When was your ultrasound taken? Maybe you should get another current

> one to see if those small stones are out. If they have shown up on

> ultrasound, they probably are of the hard type. But, if they were

> small enough, and your duct is 6mm (like you've said), then you can

> easily remove them with a flush. (It's funny how we even know the

> duct sizes of the fellow stonies in here..:-)...I'll bet even your

> hubby doesn't know that!!! :-)...).

My ultrasound was taken back when I had the major episodes - the end of

October. I still haven't called around to find out about the cost of having

an ultrasound done (since there is no " medical " reason to have one now, the

insurance won't cover it - and I saw what they paid for the first one!) I

also haven't called to see about borrowing the pictures of the first

ultrasound. I just don't generally think about this stuff when I'm at

work!!

And yes, I was amused that you just happened to know the size of my bile duct

while you don't even know the color of my eyes! Strange way we all get

to know each other out here, isn't it?

> P.S. Thanks for thinking about me when you flushed your toilet and

> the little chain thingy broke. :-) I'll remember to think of you

> after my next POWER-ES drink. :-)

>

The good news of the day is that there was a great sale on toilet paper at

the grocery store!! I stocked up. I think we should all buy stock in

a toilet paper company!!

in health,

rachel~

[Guest guest]

,

You are very thoughtful. Thank you for those kind remarks. :-)

Also, you are very funny. I'll bet your eyes are either blue, brown,

hazel, or green. Am I right? :-)

Funny how we get to know each others internal organs without knowing

what people look like. :-)

Be Healthy.

Barry.

P.S. The best way to buy toilet paper is wholesale at Costco or Sams

Club. Packs of 24 or 48 rolls. Lasts at least for one flush. :-)

> barry91162@y... writes:

> > Yes, if you had the hard calcified stone that is just too big to

pass

> > after 5 flushes, and it causes pain in the middle of the night

after

> > eating a large meal, you would want to also 'investigate' the

problem

> > that is specifically effecting you.

>

> You're so right. If I was in your shoes I would be searching high

and low

> for answers and I applaud your commitment to finding a natural

solution.

>

> > I've reached a sort of theoretic conclusion about this whole

process.

> > First of all I'd like to say that for everyone doing a cleanse,

this

> > is only beneficial to your health. Everyone should try a cleanse

or

> > few to clean out their liver and gb of gunk, sandy stuff, and

softer

> > stones that may be 'hanging on'.

>

> I couldn't agree more. I hope that one day this information will

be more

> common and more people will do cleansing - not just as a relief

from pain,

> but as an overall health improvement.

>

> > Some of us have cholesterol stones that are small, soft, and

could be

> > causing some pain. BUT, I think most of the people who have bad

colic

> > pain have not only sludge and cholesterol stones, but could most

> > likely have a gb blockage of the harder to pass calcified (which

> > means it is hard and will not 'squeeze' or soften to come out)

stone.

> >

>

> I'm thankful to say that I'm in the first category. I think that

my

> experience has been quite mild in comparison with what you and

others have

> written.

>

> And I think it's great that you've shared so much of your

experience out

> here. I'm sure that there are plenty of lurkers out there who are

in a

> similar situation and have gained a lot by your learning.

>

>

> > When was your ultrasound taken? Maybe you should get another

current

> > one to see if those small stones are out. If they have shown up

on

> > ultrasound, they probably are of the hard type. But, if they were

> > small enough, and your duct is 6mm (like you've said), then you

can

> > easily remove them with a flush. (It's funny how we even know the

> > duct sizes of the fellow stonies in here..:-)...I'll bet even

your

> > hubby doesn't know that!!! :-)...).

>

> My ultrasound was taken back when I had the major episodes - the

end of

> October. I still haven't called around to find out about the cost

of having

> an ultrasound done (since there is no " medical " reason to have one

now, the

> insurance won't cover it - and I saw what they paid for the first

one!) I

> also haven't called to see about borrowing the pictures of the

first

> ultrasound. I just don't generally think about this stuff when

I'm at

> work!!

>

> And yes, I was amused that you just happened to know the size of my

bile duct

> while you don't even know the color of my eyes! Strange way

we all get

> to know each other out here, isn't it?

>

> > P.S. Thanks for thinking about me when you flushed your toilet

and

> > the little chain thingy broke. :-) I'll remember to think of you

> > after my next POWER-ES drink. :-)

> >

>

> The good news of the day is that there was a great sale on toilet

paper at

> the grocery store!! I stocked up. I think we should all

buy stock in

> a toilet paper company!!

>

> in health,

> rachel~

>

>

>