Guest guest Posted February 16, 2002 Report Share Posted February 16, 2002 claudiameydrech@... writes: > I wondered if people > could post what herbs, etc. they use to break down > their stones. Just apple juice and lemon juice here. > Another question, do any of you have irregular > heartbeat when your gall bladder is acting up? I > have this, and have wondered if it has to do with the > GB or there are some other digestive things going on. I'm not sure that I've ever had irregular heartbeat (at least haven't noticed), but I have had some difficulty breathing - or at least difficulty taking a full breath, I should say. Then again, my gallbladder episodes have been quite minor in comparison to what others have written about. Does it last long for you? > (sorry to be posting so much, > it's just neat to finally find people who like to > talk about " wierd " :-) stuff like this) No need to apologize, . That's what we're all about here! Post away!! in health, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 >or treated with herbs I wondered if people could post what herbs, etc. they use to break down their stones. Barry, My ultrasound showed a lot of what appeared to be smaller stones lying along the bottom of my gb, so you are saying if you see them in the ultrasound they are always calcium? I have never seen as many stones in my gb as I did in November...but there was a lot of black gall bladder area empty as well. I was hoping they wouldn't be calcium, but who knows, it's been about 5 years since I've flushed. We, too, have this in the family. Another question, do any of you have irregular heartbeat when your gall bladder is acting up? I have this, and have wondered if it has to do with the GB or there are some other digestive things going on. (sorry to be posting so much, it's just neat to finally find people who like to talk about " wierd " :-) stuff like this) claudia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 , some people use Gold Coin Grass to break up stones, Jethro Kloss of Back to Eden says to drink lots of Cleavers Tea (which I'm going to do) and some people use a South American herb Chanca Piedra. Others but I don't know them. And go ahead post lots. We are a friendly bunch who can talk about nearly anything that comes up. Woops! Or goes down...LOL! of Dewberry Hill " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 , What wierd stuff? haha You are the one that has a web site, aren't you? haha I've never heard of the irregular heartbeat. Could be because your gb is contracting violently to get the bile flowing. ?? From my understanding, the only stones that show up on ultrasound is the harder calcified type stone. Shows up white. The cholesterol stones, which are usually newer and softer, may not show up at all. I've never heard of 'sludge' showing up. The dark areas in the gb usually means it's clear. They can tell if your gb is inlarged because of bile backup and they can even tell if your bile is thicker or creamy. If you have a 'lump' in the ducts, it will look like a snake that has just eaten a big mouse. That's about all I know from the ultrasound. I've had 3 of them over the last 3 months. Oh, they can tell the size of the stones and duct size as well. If your stones are small-er they will come out easier and if they are calcified you should flush them out as soon as possible before they could possibly get bigger. I am also looking into the stone reducer for the harder stone. I've heard that Chanca Piedra can reduce the size over several months. One guy on here said that he had a stone go from 3cm down to 2cm in 6 months. Sounds promising I guess. Let me know if you find a good 'stone breaker'. Happy Flushing, Barry. --- In gallstones@y..., " L. Meydrech " <claudiameydrech@c...> wrote: > >or treated with herbs > > I wondered if people > could post what herbs, etc. they use to break down > their stones. > > Barry, My ultrasound showed a lot of what appeared to > be smaller stones lying along the bottom of my gb, > so you are saying if you see them in the ultrasound > they are always calcium? I have never seen as > many stones in my gb as I did in November...but > there was a lot of black gall bladder area empty as > well. I was hoping they wouldn't be calcium, but who > knows, it's been about 5 years since I've flushed. We, > too, have this in the family. > > Another question, do any of you have irregular > heartbeat when your gall bladder is acting up? I > have this, and have wondered if it has to do with the > GB or there are some other digestive things going on. > > (sorry to be posting so much, > it's just neat to finally find people who like to > talk about " wierd " :-) stuff like this) > > claudia > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2002 Report Share Posted February 20, 2002 Ha ha back to you, barry <grin> I have some major updating to do on that website, too, maybe when I have free time in a few months, but do want to mention this site. Anywho, regarding your mention that white stones showing in ultrasound being calcium, have you had those in your ultrasounds, and have you been able to pass calcium? Only once over 10 yrs. ago when I did the flush did I find a few bits of calcium. Are they painful to pass? Or just cause more nausea, etc. (which is pretty common for me :-)? Anyone else here passed calcium stones successfully? I'm not going to be able to flush until I have some time off, I am planning on Good Friday. It was in November when I had the ultrasound done. Hope those stones don't grow or multiply too quickly. I continue to drink my chamomile tea with juice of a lemon and tablespoon or 2 of flax seed oil in the morning, and should probably do some other things, but am sorting through to decide what. Take care, L. Meydrech CN " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a http://nutritionist.tripod.com What wierd stuff? haha You are the one that has a web site, aren't you? haha I've never heard of the irregular heartbeat. Could be because your gb is contracting violently to get the bile flowing. ?? From my understanding, the only stones that show up on ultrasound is the harder calcified type stone. Shows up white. The cholesterol stones, which are usually newer and softer, may not show up at all. I've never heard of 'sludge' showing up. The dark areas in the gb usually means it's clear. They can tell if your gb is inlarged because of bile backup and they can even tell if your bile is thicker or creamy. If you have a 'lump' in the ducts, it will look like a snake that has just eaten a big mouse. That's about all I know from the ultrasound. I've had 3 of them over the last 3 months. Oh, they can tell the size of the stones and duct size as well. If your stones are small-er they will come out easier and if they are calcified you should flush them out as soon as possible before they could possibly get bigger. I am also looking into the stone reducer for the harder stone. I've heard that Chanca Piedra can reduce the size over several months. One guy on here said that he had a stone go from 3cm down to 2cm in 6 months. Sounds promising I guess. Let me know if you find a good 'stone breaker'. Happy Flushing, Barry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 , I have a 1cm calcified (white on ultrasound) stone floating in my gallbladder. I have done 5 flushes (Dr. ) passing over 2,000 softer, liver (and probably some gb), cholesterol stones. The 1cm stone is still there. Since it doesn't squeeze out softly like the cholesterol stones do, I have to try and break it down, reduce the size, crush it, or whatever, first before it may come out. I have a 4mm cystic duct with a hard 10mm stone trying to come out. Go figure? I've heard the Epsom salts will make the duct very pliable ( like looking at a snake eating a lumpy rat ) and the olive oil will grease the stone out so that it doesn't hurt coming out. So far, I have felt no pain with the passing of the softer, cholesterol type, liver stones, but then again, I am wondering about the pain that could accure if the calcified, harder stone is sitting in the right position during a flush, and it finally does try and make it's journey south. Oh, I think I have had this stone for around two years and I think it hasn't grown much in size. At least in the three month that I have been dieting better, it hasn't increased in size at all. Hasn't decreased either. :-( I've had three ultrasounds so I am keeping an internal eye on it's progress. I'm thinking of getting it crushed with ultrasonic zapping and then flushing the little bits out with a good cleansing. Since it's only one stone, it is a consideration for me. Then there is the danger of a jagged piece getting caught in the pancereas,etc. Many stones would be harder for that procedure. I did pass a 5mm calcium stone with no problem but the 10mm needs more work. I think if they are small enough to fit through your 'personal' ducting, calcium stones will shoot out easily enough. It is when they are twice as big as your duct, or bigger, is a more difficult task for you to face. How many stones are you seeing on ultrasound and what size are they? Do you float or are they stuck to the wall of your gb. Barry. --- In gallstones@y..., " L. Meydrech " <claudiameydrech@c...> wrote: > Ha ha back to you, barry <grin> I have some major updating to do on > that website, too, maybe when I have free time in a few months, but > do want to mention this site. > > Anywho, regarding your mention that white stones showing in > ultrasound being calcium, have you had those in your ultrasounds, > and have you been able to pass calcium? Only once over > 10 yrs. ago when I did the flush did I find a few bits of calcium. > Are they painful to pass? Or just cause more nausea, etc. (which > is pretty common for me :-)? Anyone else here passed calcium > stones successfully? > > I'm not going to be able to flush until I have some time off, I am > planning on Good Friday. It was in November when I had the > ultrasound done. Hope those stones don't grow or multiply too > quickly. I continue to drink my chamomile tea with juice of a lemon > and tablespoon or 2 of flax seed oil in the morning, and should > probably do some other things, but am sorting through to decide > what. > > Take care, > L. Meydrech CN > " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a > http://nutritionist.tripod.com > > What wierd stuff? haha You are the one that has a web site, aren't > you? haha > I've never heard of the irregular heartbeat. Could be because your gb > is contracting violently to get the bile flowing. ?? > > From my understanding, the only stones that show up on ultrasound is > the harder calcified type stone. Shows up white. The cholesterol > stones, which are usually newer and softer, may not show up at all. > I've never heard of 'sludge' showing up. The dark areas in the gb > usually means it's clear. They can tell if your gb is inlarged > because of bile backup and they can even tell if your bile is thicker > or creamy. If you have a 'lump' in the ducts, it will look like a > snake that has just eaten a big mouse. That's about all I know from > the ultrasound. I've had 3 of them over the last 3 months. > Oh, they can tell the size of the stones and duct size as well. If > your stones are small-er they will come out easier and if they are > calcified you should flush them out as soon as possible before they > could possibly get bigger. > > I am also looking into the stone reducer for the harder stone. I've > heard that Chanca Piedra can reduce the size over several months. One > guy on here said that he had a stone go from 3cm down to 2cm in 6 > months. Sounds promising I guess. > > Let me know if you find a good 'stone breaker'. > > Happy Flushing, > Barry. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 >How many stones are you seeing on ultrasound >and what size are they? Do you float or are >they stuck to the wall of your gb. Barry - The ultrasound report was not as detailed as some I have seen described here - I am disappointed that they did not mention anything about the size of the stones, ducts, etc. as they did on yours, apparently. My stones roll around when I move :-) In fact, the gal who was doing the ultrasound wanted to teach another girl how to identify stones, so had her watch as I rolled on my side, and the stones rolled to a different position in my GB. Just looking at the ultrasound I could see at least 6 or more of them lying along the " bottom " of the image of the GB with a good bit of dark area " above " them. The image made the GB appear to be about the size of a pear, and the stones were just about the size of a pea in the image if not smaller. She said there could be more " in back of " the ones we were seeing. Said the wall of the GB looked fine, no calcification, ducts clear and fine. I could dig out my report, but I don't recall mention any of size. Take care, claudia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Hi Barry, Sorry to 'butt' in, but now you got me worried about not being able to pass my 17mm calcified stone I have in my GB! Do you know anyone who has been in the same position as us (trying to pass a biggy in the GB) and been successful with cleansing and flushing? Kind regards, Michele -----Original Message----- From: barry91162 [mailto:barry91162@...] Sent: Thursday, 21 Feb 2002 1:09 am gallstones Subject: Re: More ?'s!! , I have a 1cm calcified (white on ultrasound) stone floating in my gallbladder. I have done 5 flushes (Dr. ) passing over 2,000 softer, liver (and probably some gb), cholesterol stones. The 1cm stone is still there. Since it doesn't squeeze out softly like the cholesterol stones do, I have to try and break it down, reduce the size, crush it, or whatever, first before it may come out. I have a 4mm cystic duct with a hard 10mm stone trying to come out. Go figure? I've heard the Epsom salts will make the duct very pliable ( like looking at a snake eating a lumpy rat ) and the olive oil will grease the stone out so that it doesn't hurt coming out. So far, I have felt no pain with the passing of the softer, cholesterol type, liver stones, but then again, I am wondering about the pain that could accure if the calcified, harder stone is sitting in the right position during a flush, and it finally does try and make it's journey south. Oh, I think I have had this stone for around two years and I think it hasn't grown much in size. At least in the three month that I have been dieting better, it hasn't increased in size at all. Hasn't decreased either. :-( I've had three ultrasounds so I am keeping an internal eye on it's progress. I'm thinking of getting it crushed with ultrasonic zapping and then flushing the little bits out with a good cleansing. Since it's only one stone, it is a consideration for me. Then there is the danger of a jagged piece getting caught in the pancereas,etc. Many stones would be harder for that procedure. I did pass a 5mm calcium stone with no problem but the 10mm needs more work. I think if they are small enough to fit through your 'personal' ducting, calcium stones will shoot out easily enough. It is when they are twice as big as your duct, or bigger, is a more difficult task for you to face. How many stones are you seeing on ultrasound and what size are they? Do you float or are they stuck to the wall of your gb. Barry. > Ha ha back to you, barry <grin> I have some major updating to do on > that website, too, maybe when I have free time in a few months, but > do want to mention this site. > > Anywho, regarding your mention that white stones showing in > ultrasound being calcium, have you had those in your ultrasounds, > and have you been able to pass calcium? Only once over > 10 yrs. ago when I did the flush did I find a few bits of calcium. > Are they painful to pass? Or just cause more nausea, etc. (which > is pretty common for me :-)? Anyone else here passed calcium > stones successfully? > > I'm not going to be able to flush until I have some time off, I am > planning on Good Friday. It was in November when I had the > ultrasound done. Hope those stones don't grow or multiply too > quickly. I continue to drink my chamomile tea with juice of a lemon > and tablespoon or 2 of flax seed oil in the morning, and should > probably do some other things, but am sorting through to decide > what. > > Take care, > L. Meydrech CN > " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a > http://nutritionist.tripod.com > > What wierd stuff? haha You are the one that has a web site, aren't > you? haha > I've never heard of the irregular heartbeat. Could be because your gb > is contracting violently to get the bile flowing. ?? > > From my understanding, the only stones that show up on ultrasound is > the harder calcified type stone. Shows up white. The cholesterol > stones, which are usually newer and softer, may not show up at all. > I've never heard of 'sludge' showing up. The dark areas in the gb > usually means it's clear. They can tell if your gb is inlarged > because of bile backup and they can even tell if your bile is thicker > or creamy. If you have a 'lump' in the ducts, it will look like a > snake that has just eaten a big mouse. That's about all I know from > the ultrasound. I've had 3 of them over the last 3 months. > Oh, they can tell the size of the stones and duct size as well. If > your stones are small-er they will come out easier and if they are > calcified you should flush them out as soon as possible before they > could possibly get bigger. > > I am also looking into the stone reducer for the harder stone. I've > heard that Chanca Piedra can reduce the size over several months. One > guy on here said that he had a stone go from 3cm down to 2cm in 6 > months. Sounds promising I guess. > > Let me know if you find a good 'stone breaker'. > > Happy Flushing, > Barry. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Advantage of a stone that is quite big is that IT IS to big to pass so probably will not get stuck in the duct. May block the opening now and then, but move away eventually. You can cleanse out the smaller stuff and keep the bile moving so it doesn't get any bigger. L. Meydrech " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a http://nutritionist.tripod.com Sorry to 'butt' in, but now you got me worried about not being able to pass my 17mm calcified stone I have in my GB! Do you know anyone who has been in the same position as us (trying to pass a biggy in the GB) and been successful with cleansing and flushing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 >>>>>>>> Hi Barry, Sorry to 'butt' in, but now you got me worried about not being able to pass my 17mm calcified stone I have in my GB! Do you know anyone who has been in the same position as us (trying to pass a biggy in the GB) and been successful with cleansing and flushing? Kind regards, Michele <<<<<<<<<< Michele; I did pass a 17 mm stone, and have a picture of it posted with five other large stones that I got out in my third flush. Now in my situation, at the time of this flush, I had simply been told that I had " A " stone, and I couldn't assertain from the hospital, or my doctor, the actual size of that stone. Dispite this, I decided to see if I couldn't find information of which would potentually keep me from being knived. So, my searching of the Internet came up with a number of sites that had some pretty important informatin regarding the potential sizes of stones passed, up to the size of a golfball, and the method of gallbladder flushing. One site I found was Chang's Sensitive Health, so I called her and then purchased the Gold Coin Grass to see if that would work. I took it every morning and night, I tried to make sure I got some in the afternoon too but I just couldn't all the time because of my work. Regardless of that I finally did a flush approximately a month after I started taking the GCG and was quite amazed at what happened with my first flush. I didn't get anything that was what I'd thought was too big to pass but they did range up to around 10mm. My biggest surprize was the ones that passed on the third flush, especially considering that I thought that with what I'd passed in the first flush it was all there could have been in me. So, I felt quite sure that others before me had passed far larger stones by following the protocal of diet, exercise, supplimentation and the liver/gallstone flush proceedure, to get stones out of the gallbladder and liver, and decided to attempt it myself. It has been over two years since I've been to the hospital for the last sever attack but that one wasn't even a gallbladder attack, it was a liver attack because I'd gotten to the point of not eatin anything with the word fat in it to try to keep from having another gallbladder attack. I had deprived my liver of the fat it needs to be able to existe happily and to do its job and this lead to me having a liver attack with severly elevated levels of ALK, ALT, AST, and bilirubin. I was also showing as having had Hep C and B (I just rechecked the report and I'm sorry but I'd been reporting this B as A in the past). One person of who I'm really appreciative is Dr. Cabot for her providing the simplests and most direct information regarding the liver and gallbladder of all the information I read. Her book " The Liver Cleansing Diet " is often mentioned here. Some have had as much success as I have following her protocal of diet, and others have not, but in the over all picture of liver health I do believe that she has provided a good foundation for understanding the basics of what the liver does and what one needs to do to keep it doing what it does at an optimal level. Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Are you saying that you dont think I will pass this at all - despite how many liver flushes I do? Thats the whole point why I'm doing these - to rid myself of this 'animal' and any other softer stones from the liver removed is a bonus! Now slightly confused, Michele -----Original Message----- From: L. Meydrech [mailto:claudiameydrech@...] Sent: Thursday, 21 Feb 2002 3:42 pm gallstones Subject: Re: Re: More ?'s!! Advantage of a stone that is quite big is that IT IS to big to pass so probably will not get stuck in the duct. May block the opening now and then, but move away eventually. You can cleanse out the smaller stuff and keep the bile moving so it doesn't get any bigger. L. Meydrech " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a http://nutritionist.tripod.com Sorry to 'butt' in, but now you got me worried about not being able to pass my 17mm calcified stone I have in my GB! Do you know anyone who has been in the same position as us (trying to pass a biggy in the GB) and been successful with cleansing and flushing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Thanks Dale for such a comprehensive and informative reply! You guys always amaze me with the amount of information you give so freely. Think I'm feeling a little tense about tomorrow's first flush after 3 weeks of colon, parasite and kidney cleanses - jittery but excited! I'm very aware that the first cleanse (or perhaps several as in Barry's case) might not shift this GB stone, but I'm prepared to put in 100% effort if I think there is even a remote chance of it working eventually. Of course, this learning curve I've been on has been a remarkable time for me and has drastically changed my way of thinking with diets and how the body works, and I know I shall always be much healthier now I have a little knowledge behind me (and hopefully this will grow in time - not my gallstone!). But ultimately, the most important 'result' of the cleanses has to be flushing it out rather than being cut open by a surgeon. So, thankyou once again - it has given me hope! Kind regards, Michele -----Original Message----- From: Dale [mailto:Da_@...] Sent: Thursday, 21 Feb 2002 4:43 pm gallstones Subject: Re: Re: More ?'s!! >>>>>>>> Hi Barry, Sorry to 'butt' in, but now you got me worried about not being able to pass my 17mm calcified stone I have in my GB! Do you know anyone who has been in the same position as us (trying to pass a biggy in the GB) and been successful with cleansing and flushing? Kind regards, Michele <<<<<<<<<< Michele; I did pass a 17 mm stone, and have a picture of it posted with five other large stones that I got out in my third flush. Now in my situation, at the time of this flush, I had simply been told that I had " A " stone, and I couldn't assertain from the hospital, or my doctor, the actual size of that stone. Dispite this, I decided to see if I couldn't find information of which would potentually keep me from being knived. So, my searching of the Internet came up with a number of sites that had some pretty important informatin regarding the potential sizes of stones passed, up to the size of a golfball, and the method of gallbladder flushing. One site I found was Chang's Sensitive Health, so I called her and then purchased the Gold Coin Grass to see if that would work. I took it every morning and night, I tried to make sure I got some in the afternoon too but I just couldn't all the time because of my work. Regardless of that I finally did a flush approximately a month after I started taking the GCG and was quite amazed at what happened with my first flush. I didn't get anything that was what I'd thought was too big to pass but they did range up to around 10mm. My biggest surprize was the ones that passed on the third flush, especially considering that I thought that with what I'd passed in the first flush it was all there could have been in me. So, I felt quite sure that others before me had passed far larger stones by following the protocal of diet, exercise, supplimentation and the liver/gallstone flush proceedure, to get stones out of the gallbladder and liver, and decided to attempt it myself. It has been over two years since I've been to the hospital for the last sever attack but that one wasn't even a gallbladder attack, it was a liver attack because I'd gotten to the point of not eatin anything with the word fat in it to try to keep from having another gallbladder attack. I had deprived my liver of the fat it needs to be able to existe happily and to do its job and this lead to me having a liver attack with severly elevated levels of ALK, ALT, AST, and bilirubin. I was also showing as having had Hep C and B (I just rechecked the report and I'm sorry but I'd been reporting this B as A in the past). One person of who I'm really appreciative is Dr. Cabot for her providing the simplests and most direct information regarding the liver and gallbladder of all the information I read. Her book " The Liver Cleansing Diet " is often mentioned here. Some have had as much success as I have following her protocal of diet, and others have not, but in the over all picture of liver health I do believe that she has provided a good foundation for understanding the basics of what the liver does and what one needs to do to keep it doing what it does at an optimal level. Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Not necessarily. Just making the point that if you cleanse, you are getting rid of the smaller " stuff " even if the larger doesn't come out, and it's the small stuff that just comes out in bits and pieces, causing passing discomfort, nausea, etc. So, you are doing good to get out anything. A rather general statement. Perhaps the large one will pass in time...didn't mean to discourage. claudia >>Are you saying that you dont think I will pass this at all - despite how many liver flushes I do? Thats the whole point why I'm doing these - to rid myself of this 'animal' and any other softer stones from the liver removed is a bonus! Now slightly confused, Michele -----Original Message----- From: L. Meydrech [mailto:claudiameydrech@...] Sent: Thursday, 21 Feb 2002 3:42 pm gallstones Subject: Re: Re: More ?'s!! Advantage of a stone that is quite big is that IT IS to big to pass so probably will not get stuck in the duct. May block the opening now and then, but move away eventually. You can cleanse out the smaller stuff and keep the bile moving so it doesn't get any bigger. L. Meydrech " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a http://nutritionist.tripod.com Sorry to 'butt' in, but now you got me worried about not being able to pass my 17mm calcified stone I have in my GB! Do you know anyone who has been in the same position as us (trying to pass a biggy in the GB) and been successful with cleansing and flushing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 , They usually always mention in the report what the size of your stones are and gallbladder size also. If you only have the image, a doctor could look at it and determine approximately what size the stones are just by seeing the ultrasound image. Another question. When you moved around did the stones float to the top of the bile or were they sinking to the bottom? This would determine if they are heavy or lighter than the bile. Lighter would mean flushing on your right side so that the stones float to the top and are in a good position to exit with the bile during the cleanse. Heavier stones would mean it might work better to lay on your left side during a flush so that the stones could roll down to the mouth of the gb while it is contracting after initiation of the oil drink. Do you follow this? Nevertheless, if they are twice as big (or bigger) than your duct,and they are hard, calcified, white stones, IMO it will be a harder task to flush them out. If they are small, it should come out easily as long as they are near the correct position when you are flushing. The fact that they are floating around means that they are not stuck to the wall of a diseased gb. This sounds like one encouraging thing about your gb. If the stones are attached, the walls could be very diseased and the gb would probably have to eventually come out. Anyway, this is just my opinion. I am in no way a doctor. I only speak by the knowledge that I have learned over the last few months of study. Good luck with your health. Barry. --- In gallstones@y..., " L. Meydrech " <claudiameydrech@c...> wrote: > > >How many stones are you seeing on ultrasound > >and what size are they? Do you float or are > >they stuck to the wall of your gb. > > Barry - The ultrasound report was not as detailed > as some I have seen described here - I am > disappointed that they did not mention anything > about the size of the stones, ducts, etc. as > they did on yours, apparently. My stones roll > around when I move :-) In fact, the gal who was > doing the ultrasound wanted to teach another girl > how to identify stones, so had her watch as I > rolled on my side, and the stones rolled to > a different position in my GB. Just looking > at the ultrasound I could see at least 6 or more of them > lying along the " bottom " of the image of the GB > with a good bit of dark area " above " them. The > image made the GB appear to be about the size > of a pear, and the stones were just about the > size of a pea in the image if not smaller. She > said there could be more " in back of " the ones > we were seeing. Said the wall of the GB looked > fine, no calcification, ducts clear and fine. > I could dig out my report, but I don't recall > mention any of size. Take care, claudia > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Michele, I'll have to answer honestly and say No. I have heard about many cholesterol stones being 2 or 3 cm in size but they come out easy because they can squeeze their way out with no problem. The hard-er stone is a different story. Even though the 4-6mm duct can stretch (like a snake that eats a rat picture), the hard stone is just very stubborn because it is solid, heavier, and is harder to get seated in the mouth of the gb during a cleanse. The light, soft stones will float out with the bile and oil. This has been my experience after 5 successful cleanses eliminating over 2,000 soft-er, cholesterol (liver) stones ranging from 2mm to 2cm in size. The 1cm calcified stone is still in my gb according to ultrasound. This stone needs more attention. Whereas it is always good to clear the liver and ducts of sludge, toxins, stones (balls of whatever), the larg-er, hard-er gb stone may be a more difficult elimination. IMO, these are the 'problem stones' in most cases that cause the colic pain. Reducing the size over months of herbs, medications, etc or crushing the stone with ultrasonic waves, will make them small enough to come out of your duct even if they are still hard. Surgery is the other alternative. If you get sick of flushing dozens of times, and you can't bare the pain of not eating without feeling pain, then it may just be easier to take the lesser if the two evils and have it removed. Digestion may be different (or not) but at least you won't have to suffer with it anymore. Anyway, try what you can first. Dieting, flushing, etc. Everyone's body is different and there is no telling if you can get it out with a good flush or not. Only you can find out by trying. Be Healthy. Barry. > > Ha ha back to you, barry <grin> I have some major updating to do on > > that website, too, maybe when I have free time in a few months, but > > do want to mention this site. > > > > Anywho, regarding your mention that white stones showing in > > ultrasound being calcium, have you had those in your ultrasounds, > > and have you been able to pass calcium? Only once over > > 10 yrs. ago when I did the flush did I find a few bits of calcium. > > Are they painful to pass? Or just cause more nausea, etc. (which > > is pretty common for me :-)? Anyone else here passed calcium > > stones successfully? > > > > I'm not going to be able to flush until I have some time off, I am > > planning on Good Friday. It was in November when I had the > > ultrasound done. Hope those stones don't grow or multiply too > > quickly. I continue to drink my chamomile tea with juice of a lemon > > and tablespoon or 2 of flax seed oil in the morning, and should > > probably do some other things, but am sorting through to decide > > what. > > > > Take care, > > L. Meydrech CN > > " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a > > http://nutritionist.tripod.com > > > > What wierd stuff? haha You are the one that has a web site, > aren't > > you? haha > > I've never heard of the irregular heartbeat. Could be because > your gb > > is contracting violently to get the bile flowing. ?? > > > > From my understanding, the only stones that show up on ultrasound > is > > the harder calcified type stone. Shows up white. The cholesterol > > stones, which are usually newer and softer, may not show up at > all. > > I've never heard of 'sludge' showing up. The dark areas in the gb > > usually means it's clear. They can tell if your gb is inlarged > > because of bile backup and they can even tell if your bile is > thicker > > or creamy. If you have a 'lump' in the ducts, it will look like a > > snake that has just eaten a big mouse. That's about all I know > from > > the ultrasound. I've had 3 of them over the last 3 months. > > Oh, they can tell the size of the stones and duct size as well. > If > > your stones are small-er they will come out easier and if they > are > > calcified you should flush them out as soon as possible before > they > > could possibly get bigger. > > > > I am also looking into the stone reducer for the harder stone. > I've > > heard that Chanca Piedra can reduce the size over several months. > One > > guy on here said that he had a stone go from 3cm down to 2cm in 6 > > months. Sounds promising I guess. > > > > Let me know if you find a good 'stone breaker'. > > > > Happy Flushing, > > Barry. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 , Good 'advantage' points about the stone being too big to pass and get caught in the duct. I wish I was one of those people that has a big stone that is 'silent'. Unfortunately, the disadvantage is that anytime you eat a fatty meal, or a big meal, or sometimes any meal, the stone moves down to the mouth of the gb and causes 2-4 hours of excruciating pain in the middle of the night (feeling like you are delivering a baby) and the only relief is to rush to the emergency room to get a shot of antispasmatic medication to stop the contractions. It's like permanantly trying to always pass a baby. :-) I think the gb stone colic is what everyone in here is trying to rid themselves of. IMO, this type of stone is what most of us get colic pain from. Sludge and such is discomforting but the pain of a hard gb stone blocking the mouth and stopping up the bile is terrible. Medication, ultrasonic crushing, dieting, flushing, and then surgery is the only way to feel good about an active clacified gb stone that is causing a lot of discomfort and pain. This is only my experience with an active stone. Other people may be able to 'live with' the pain but I want to stop it as soon as possible. Barry. --- In gallstones@y..., " L. Meydrech " <claudiameydrech@c...> wrote: > Advantage of a stone that is quite big is that IT IS to big to pass > so probably will not get stuck in the duct. May block the opening > now and then, but move away eventually. You can cleanse out the > smaller stuff and keep the bile moving so it doesn't get any bigger. > > L. Meydrech > " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a > http://nutritionist.tripod.com > > Sorry to 'butt' in, but now you got me worried about not being able to pass > my 17mm calcified stone I have in my GB! Do you know anyone who has been in > the same position as us (trying to pass a biggy in the GB) and been > successful with cleansing and flushing? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 I have my report here, and it's really a nothing report, here is what it says: ************* Abdominal Sonogram of 11/21/01 Upper abdominal sonography showed normal homogenoeous hepatic echotexture. A 1.3 cm hyperechoic focus in the left lobe represents an incidental hemangioma (my comment: that's old news, by the way, nothing serious) Multiple shadowing gallstones are present within the gallbladder. (my comment...duh!) No evidence for pericholecystic fluid collections or significant thickening of the gallbladder wall. There were no abnormalities in the region of the pancreas. The kidneys appeared symmetrical and normal in size and shape. ************* I may call the hospital and see if I can get more information, or a copy of my ultrasound. This says nothing about the size of anything. As for movement of stones, they seemed to settle on the " bottom " ...funny you say I should lie on my left to do the flush...I've been sleeping on my left more thinking I was keeping the stones from coming out...silly me. Yes, I follow you. I'm going to see what I can find out from the hospital. L. Meydrech " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a http://nutritionist.tripod.com ----- Original Message ----- From: barry91162 gallstones Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 5:02 PM Subject: Re: More ?'s!! , They usually always mention in the report what the size of your stones are and gallbladder size also. If you only have the image, a doctor could look at it and determine approximately what size the stones are just by seeing the ultrasound image. Another question. When you moved around did the stones float to the top of the bile or were they sinking to the bottom? This would determine if they are heavy or lighter than the bile. Lighter would mean flushing on your right side so that the stones float to the top and are in a good position to exit with the bile during the cleanse. Heavier stones would mean it might work better to lay on your left side during a flush so that the stones could roll down to the mouth of the gb while it is contracting after initiation of the oil drink. Do you follow this? Nevertheless, if they are twice as big (or bigger) than your duct,and they are hard, calcified, white stones, IMO it will be a harder task to flush them out. If they are small, it should come out easily as long as they are near the correct position when you are flushing. The fact that they are floating around means that they are not stuck to the wall of a diseased gb. This sounds like one encouraging thing about your gb. If the stones are attached, the walls could be very diseased and the gb would probably have to eventually come out. Anyway, this is just my opinion. I am in no way a doctor. I only speak by the knowledge that I have learned over the last few months of study. Good luck with your health. Barry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 , You are right. This says nothing about the stones. Only that you have 'some'. You should get ahold of the picture image. Sometimes they measure the stones with + or X's and the sizes are typed on the side of the picture image. Otherwise, a doctor could tell you 'approx' the sizes of the stones by the comparison of your gb size. Good luck. Barry. --- In gallstones@y..., " L. Meydrech " <claudiameydrech@c...> wrote: > I have my report here, and it's really a nothing report, here is what > it says: > ************* > Abdominal Sonogram of 11/21/01 > Upper abdominal sonography showed normal homogenoeous > hepatic echotexture. A 1.3 cm hyperechoic focus in the left > lobe represents an incidental hemangioma (my comment: > that's old news, by the way, nothing serious) > > Multiple shadowing gallstones are present within the gallbladder. > (my comment...duh!) > No evidence for pericholecystic fluid collections or significant > thickening of the gallbladder wall. There were no abnormalities > in the region of the pancreas. > > The kidneys appeared symmetrical and normal in size and > shape. > ************* > I may call the hospital and see if I can get more information, or > a copy of my ultrasound. This says nothing about the size of > anything. > > As for movement of stones, they seemed to settle on the > " bottom " ...funny you say I should lie on my left to do the > flush...I've been sleeping on my left more thinking I was keeping > the stones from coming out...silly me. Yes, I follow you. > I'm going to see what I can find out from the hospital. > > L. Meydrech > " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a > http://nutritionist.tripod.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: barry91162 > gallstones@y... > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 5:02 PM > Subject: Re: More ?'s!! > > > , > > They usually always mention in the report what the size of your > stones are and gallbladder size also. If you only have the image, a > doctor could look at it and determine approximately what size the > stones are just by seeing the ultrasound image. > > Another question. When you moved around did the stones float to the > top of the bile or were they sinking to the bottom? This would > determine if they are heavy or lighter than the bile. Lighter would > mean flushing on your right side so that the stones float to the top > and are in a good position to exit with the bile during the cleanse. > Heavier stones would mean it might work better to lay on your left > side during a flush so that the stones could roll down to the mouth > of the gb while it is contracting after initiation of the oil drink. > Do you follow this? > > Nevertheless, if they are twice as big (or bigger) than your duct,and > they are hard, calcified, white stones, IMO it will be a harder task > to flush them out. If they are small, it should come out easily as > long as they are near the correct position when you are flushing. > > > The fact that they are floating around means that they are not stuck > to the wall of a diseased gb. This sounds like one encouraging thing > about your gb. If the stones are attached, the walls could be very > diseased and the gb would probably have to eventually come out. > > Anyway, this is just my opinion. I am in no way a doctor. I only > speak by the knowledge that I have learned over the last few months > of study. > > Good luck with your health. > Barry. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 In a message dated 22/2/02 00:43:36 GMT Standard Time, barry91162@... writes: > IMO, this type of stone is what most of us get colic > pain from. Sludge and such is discomforting but the pain of a hard gb > stone blocking the mouth and stopping up the bile is terrible. > I totally agree with this statement. Why are you not given anti-spasmodic meds for home, they are not as quick acting as the shots but saves a lot of time and discomfort. The minute you feel that pain beginning, you take the med, ensure that you stay sitting up and wait for the pain to subside - it took about an hour for me on Tuesday. nne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 barry91162@... writes: > IMO, this type of stone is what most of us get colic > pain from. Sludge and such is discomforting but the pain of a hard gb > stone blocking the mouth and stopping up the bile is terrible. Okay, I'll throw this into the mix. On the one hand, I've seen my ultrasound films and it appears that there are several white spots which we think would indicate calcified stones because the cholesterol ones wouldn't show up, right? (correct me if I've misunderstood this.) On the other hand, you think it's the calcified stones that cause the pain, right? Then why do you suppose, if my ultrasound appears to be showing calcium stones, am I not getting the colic pain that some of you describe? I've had something similar, but much shorter in duration and definitely not the frequency that others have written about. And trust me - I haven't refined my dietary habits that well! In the past few months since the attacks first happened, I've had some days of pretty unhealthy eating. (nothing I'm proud of, but am just admitting it to give the whole picture) Any speculation? I'm not complaining - let me clarify! I'm VERY grateful that I haven't had the experiences that some of you have written about. I'm just puzzled by why mine ARE less severe when it would seem by the ultrasound that I have calcified stones in there. I think I'm going to take those films to work with me on Monday and just keep asking until I find someone in the health care departments who might be able to tell me what they see. in health, rachel~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 Rachd1961@... wrote: Then why do you suppose, if my ultrasound appears to be showing calcium stones, am I not getting the colic pain that some of you describe? Hi , The reason could be that just as some people have a GB full of stones and never have a symptom, so you may not have as severe of symptoms as others. Some people experience one GB attack, and then never experience another one the rest of their lives. I guess we're just all going to be different that way. Maybe it has to do with the size of the ducts, the way our GB's are tilted, our weight...I'm just guessing. But, there seems to be quite a bit of variety in the number and severity of GB attacks. My ultrasound showed a couple very small stones, and the rest sludge, yet I was incapacitated for several weeks by the pain. However, remember that I've passed 1.5cm stones during the liver cleanses-this just led me to think that maybe Barry has a stone in the common bile duct-between cleanses, his body is still trying to pass stones(that is why we experience pain), and maybe one is stuck in the common bile duct. What do you think? hmm....I could be totally wrong, just brainstorming here. The reason I'm thinking it's a possibility is that I had the exact same pain, in the exact same spot, before and after surgery....before I had done any liver cleanses. Yet the liver cleanse flushed out whatever was in my common bile duct (maybe a calcified stone)...thus relieving me of pain. I'm thinking that stones that I pass from the liver are not calcified, and thus have less chance of getting stuck in the common bile duct between cleanses. Well, I guess it's my turn to think " outloud, " and I may not be making much sense. Adrienne --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 Thanks, Barry and Adrienne, for your responses to my puzzlement. You're both right in the summary that we're just all different. I AM quite grateful, by the way, that I don't experience the severity of symptoms and I will just continue with the cleansing routine and see what happens. Thanks for your feedback and your support! in health, rachel~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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