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Very interesting. Could you clarify some more please? On

which 'later' flush was it? 10, 15?

Also, ultrasound. How many did you see on the first scan and the last

one? Do you know the size(s) and number of stones that could be seen

approximately?

Thanks,

Barry.

> I think I may have passed a calcified stone on a later flush. I had

the

> ultrasound tech compare my two ultrasounds and she said that it was

hard to

> tell but it looked as if I may have moved one out. Then I

remembered in one

> flush I saw something on the bottom of the bowl that I thought

must've been

> stool. I think I had done a Hulda flush. laura

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: <Rachd1961@a...>

> <gallstones@y...>

> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:55 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: which side?..Dale..??

>

>

> > Da_@e... writes:

> > > I don't know for sure but from all my digging all I got was

cholesterol

> > > stones. I never had anything that was heavy enough to drop to

the bottom

> of

> > > the bowel

> >

> > Maybe the calcium ones are more prone to breaking down or

dissolving and

> > that's why we don't see them.

> >

> > How about the rest of the group. Have any of you, to your

knowledge, ever

> > eliminated a calcified stone?

> >

> > The reason I'm asking is that I'm just curious about the

experience - if

> it

> > was any different in any way than passing the cholesterol ones.

> >

> > in health,

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Thanks ,

I'm very interested in the ultrasound 'proof' of removing calcified

(harder to remove) stones.

How many flushes have you completed?

Have you had an ultrasound lately to see if any are still there? When

was your last one and how many are left?

I was first 'ultrasounded' with a 1cm stone floating within the gb I

guess because it moves down and blocks the opening which causes the

biliary colic. Then after a successful first flush getting out

several 1cm and larger stones I was sure I had gotten out that

problem stone. I rushed back to ultrasound only to find it still

there.

I've now completed 4 flushes (Dr. ) and still suspect it's there

because I sometimes have the colic in the night. I know these are

much harder to get out but that was the purpose for me to flush vs.

surgery. I want to be pain-free. I was going to wait until after my

5th flush to check ultrasound again.

From what I can understand by all this flushing is that while the

softer, liver stones are easier to flush and come out in the

hundreds, the pain producing harder, calcified gb stone is another

monster all together. I'm wondering if it will ever come out.

I've laid on my right side and back. Someone suggest left side

for 'heavy' stones but I'm not sure it is that much heavier and will

sink to the bottom of the bowl. Also, I was thinking laying on the

back sort of 'logically' gets all stones, soft and heavy.

Anyway, I will still continue this 'seemingly harder road' of gb

stones cleansing that some of us with calcified colic stones must

take. Surgery is my other option and the jury is still out.

Thanks,

Barry.

> > > I think I may have passed a calcified stone on a later flush. I

had

> > the

> > > ultrasound tech compare my two ultrasounds and she said that it

was

> > hard to

> > > tell but it looked as if I may have moved one out. Then I

> > remembered in one

> > > flush I saw something on the bottom of the bowl that I thought

> > must've been

> > > stool. I think I had done a Hulda flush. laura

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > From: <Rachd1961@a...>

> > > <gallstones@y...>

> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:55 PM

> > > Subject: Re: Re: which side?..Dale..??

> > >

> > >

> > > > Da_@e... writes:

> > > > > I don't know for sure but from all my digging all I got was

> > cholesterol

> > > > > stones. I never had anything that was heavy enough to drop

to

> > the bottom

> > > of

> > > > > the bowel

> > > >

> > > > Maybe the calcium ones are more prone to breaking down or

> > dissolving and

> > > > that's why we don't see them.

> > > >

> > > > How about the rest of the group. Have any of you, to your

> > knowledge, ever

> > > > eliminated a calcified stone?

> > > >

> > > > The reason I'm asking is that I'm just curious about the

> > experience - if

> > > it

> > > > was any different in any way than passing the cholesterol

ones.

> > > >

> > > > in health,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Thanks for that info. Sounds like after around 15 flushes you

were finally clear. Why didn't you do some kind of maintanance flush

every 3 or 6 months to keep your liver and/or gb clear of new stones?

Sounds like the year you took off could have been the time those 3

stones were formed new? Could be. In that case you shouldn't feel

bummed out. I've heard that once the stones are found they can

continue to be made even after a diet change. Maybe Lecithin can keep

the bile from getting so thick. Or more bile salts in a suppliment.

Anyway, a maintanance flush occasionally could have keep the stones

for coming back so fast.

Are you planning on starting up a few cleanses again to try and get

those 3 out?

I am doing my 5th cleanse tonight and am hoping to get a few more

hundred liver stones out and maybe some calcifing stones too.

My ultrasound only showed the one 1cm stone floating around in my gb.

It was taken even while I was still having the colic and it was

strange that the stone was away from the mouth of my gb. Like sitting

in the middle area. That was before any flush or removal of any

sludge or possible duct blockage.

The rest of my gallbladder looked fine, only bloated from the build

up of bile.

The 3 gastrologist doctors that I went to after my first scan said

that the walls could be diseased but they couldn't tell without

further tests. They then told me to make an appointment to cut out my

gb without even suggesting waiting for the test results. This is when

I started to doubt their intentions and starting searching on the

internet for more 'unbiased' information. They last one I saw, I

asked him about Olive oil because I had started to find information

about it. He then went over to his office door, shut it, and told me

in whispers that I should try it because he has heard of many people

who have had success with it. He suggested drinking a teaspoon a day

of Olive oil and see what happened. That was the closest innformation

I heard to a flush and keeping my organ from a doctor until I found

the cleanses online.

Anyway, good luck with your health.

Barry.

> > > Barry, I can't remember which flush the stone on the bottom of

the

> > bowl

> > > was. I am thinking around the5th or 6th.

> > > The first ultrasound report only said " several moderately large

> > calcified

> > > stones " . The tech that I got to look at it couldn't tell how

many

> > either.

> > > Apparently they were all together. But she did tell me the

second

> > > ultrasound had three stones in separate places and she was able

to

> > tell me

> > > the size of each. 1.0, 1.0 and 1.3. I did tell her about the

> > flush and

> > > that I thought I passed one out. Now another time that I passed

> > two large

> > > stones that floated, I measured and I thought this could have

been

> > one I had

> > > passed out of the gallbladder. It was about an inch across and

she

> > said it

> > > appeared that one of the ones from the first ultrasound was

about

> > that same

> > > size. At the time that I saw the thing on the bottom of the

bowl,

> > it was

> > > before all the talk of floating and non floating so I didn't pay

> > much

> > > attention, I just thought it was stool. I realized later that

it

> > must have

> > > been a stone. That is why I can't really remember when it was.

> > >

> > > Also, on all my flushes except the first, I laid on my back.

The

> > first one

> > > I laid on my right side.

> > >

> > > laura

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > From: " barry91162 " <barry91162@y...>

> > > <gallstones@y...>

> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 6:09 PM

> > > Subject: Re: which side?....?

> > >

> > >

> > > > ,

> > > >

> > > > Very interesting. Could you clarify some more please? On

> > > > which 'later' flush was it? 10, 15?

> > > > Also, ultrasound. How many did you see on the first scan and

the

> > last

> > > > one? Do you know the size(s) and number of stones that could

be

> > seen

> > > > approximately?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Barry.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In gallstones@y..., " robert mcmullan " <mcfam12@m...>

wrote:

> > > > > I think I may have passed a calcified stone on a later

flush. I

> > had

> > > > the

> > > > > ultrasound tech compare my two ultrasounds and she said

that it

> > was

> > > > hard to

> > > > > tell but it looked as if I may have moved one out. Then I

> > > > remembered in one

> > > > > flush I saw something on the bottom of the bowl that I

thought

> > > > must've been

> > > > > stool. I think I had done a Hulda flush. laura

> > > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > > From: <Rachd1961@a...>

> > > > > <gallstones@y...>

> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:55 PM

> > > > > Subject: Re: Re: which side?..Dale..??

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Da_@e... writes:

> > > > > > > I don't know for sure but from all my digging all I got

was

> > > > cholesterol

> > > > > > > stones. I never had anything that was heavy enough to

drop

> > to

> > > > the bottom

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the bowel

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Maybe the calcium ones are more prone to breaking down or

> > > > dissolving and

> > > > > > that's why we don't see them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How about the rest of the group. Have any of you, to your

> > > > knowledge, ever

> > > > > > eliminated a calcified stone?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The reason I'm asking is that I'm just curious about the

> > > > experience - if

> > > > > it

> > > > > > was any different in any way than passing the cholesterol

> > ones.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in health,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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Oh, ok, you had me confused because on your last post you said oct.

2000 and then nov. 2001. You threw me off with that typo. So, you did

15 flushes and still had the 3 little stones. But, you also think

that you did get a calcified stone out sometime because you thought

you saw one in the bowl on your 5th or 6th flush. Ok, I'm with you

now. Do you think the turmeric over the last 6 months has caused your

hard calcified stones to decrease in size? I heard GCG was only

effective for cholesterol stones. Same with the long acting

medications like Actigall, etc. I've heard of Chanca Piedra also but

don't know much about it. Dale, or Dax, one of them said they got

their stones to decrease from 3cm to 2cm in 6 months of Chanca

Piedra. It was on a post last month under the title Chanca Piedra.

I had asked the question looking for 'stone breakers' info of the

hard, gb, calcified type. This is the 'pain producer' in my theory of

biliary colic. Soft liver cholesterol stones don't produce pain for

me and come out in hundreds while flushing. I'm concerned with the

real problem of gb stones that cause pain. This is what I mean

by 'some people need to understand this' real cause of stone pain and

where it is caused by that I spoke to Debra about. I think a lot of

people flush a few hundred soft liver cholesterol stones out and then

they don't understand why they still have pain. These flushing

methods are good for cleansing liver and soft gb stones but the hard

ones (which are usually the colic ones) need to be understood more,

identified, and really worked on with proper diet, herbs, etc over a

longer period of time. I'd love to see more info posted on these

problem stones instead of easy liver stone flushing. Like you I am

also concerned that after 5 flushes, or even 15, I will still have

that ultrasound sound, pain while eating, and be back to base one on

curing the pain problem. I think if I get to that point, I will opt

for surgery, eat pizza, and help Debra to explain sugery-survival

methods. :-)

In health.

Barry.

> > > > > > > I think I may have passed a calcified stone on a later

> > flush. I

> > > > had

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > ultrasound tech compare my two ultrasounds and she said

> > that it

> > > > was

> > > > > > hard to

> > > > > > > tell but it looked as if I may have moved one out.

Then I

> > > > > > remembered in one

> > > > > > > flush I saw something on the bottom of the bowl that I

> > thought

> > > > > > must've been

> > > > > > > stool. I think I had done a Hulda flush. laura

> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > > > > From: <Rachd1961@a...>

> > > > > > > <gallstones@y...>

> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:55 PM

> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: which side?..Dale..??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Da_@e... writes:

> > > > > > > > > I don't know for sure but from all my digging all I

got

> > was

> > > > > > cholesterol

> > > > > > > > > stones. I never had anything that was heavy enough

to

> > drop

> > > > to

> > > > > > the bottom

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the bowel

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Maybe the calcium ones are more prone to breaking

down or

> > > > > > dissolving and

> > > > > > > > that's why we don't see them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How about the rest of the group. Have any of you, to

your

> > > > > > knowledge, ever

> > > > > > > > eliminated a calcified stone?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The reason I'm asking is that I'm just curious about

the

> > > > > > experience - if

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > was any different in any way than passing the

cholesterol

> > > > ones.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in health,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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Thanks ,

Yes, my pain (colic in the middle of the night) has gone down from

about twice a week and for 2 to 3 hours...to 30 minutes once a month.

I take an antispasmatic medication which stops the pain in 10 minutes

so I go right back to sleep.

I want to really get this 'calcified' stone out, or whatever it is.

It hasn't come out after 5 flushes so I must continue to search for

ways to force it out or reduce it so that it can come out.

Chanca Peidra sounds good and I might 'order' some of that. I've

heard GCG is only for cholessterol stones like Antigall. Antigall

would not be helpful for my hard stone so I want to find something

stronger and faster. Wouldn't that be great if there was such a

thing?

Thanks again.

Barry.

> Hi Barry, sorry for the confusion. I can only hope that the

combination of

> diet and the turmeric will have shrunk the stones. My diet is so

tight I

> squeak! If I had problems I would act differently and probably do

regular

> flushes. But I do think getting to the root of the problems should

help the

> outcome.

> I thought Chang told me that the GCG was to give the

gallbladder

> energy. Maybe she misspoke, I don't know. You may want to look into

turmeric

> or curcuma, same thing. Ben Simonton is the fellow who is taking

the

> Chanca Piedra and has shrunk his stone. I took some of 's

herbs but

> then started on this arthritis treatment and stopped. My doc

cautions

> against taking anything from someone over the phone or whatever.

But it

> sounds like the Chanca Piedra really helps.

> If your pain is getting better then is sounds like you have time to

shrink

> your stone. Have you read Dr. Cabot's books. She's really

good. I

> have a book by Dr. Murray who gives some herbal and

nutritional

> recommendations if you would like them I'll email them to you. Just

tell me.

> It must be different with different people as far as pain is

concerned.

> Another poster, Ken, had terrible trouble with cholesterol stones

and solved

> it with diet and supplements.

> Well, you have a good outlook on the whole thing. I was just too

scared to

> have surgery and worried about life after.

> Take care. laura

> >

> >

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