Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 , Very interesting. Could you clarify some more please? On which 'later' flush was it? 10, 15? Also, ultrasound. How many did you see on the first scan and the last one? Do you know the size(s) and number of stones that could be seen approximately? Thanks, Barry. > I think I may have passed a calcified stone on a later flush. I had the > ultrasound tech compare my two ultrasounds and she said that it was hard to > tell but it looked as if I may have moved one out. Then I remembered in one > flush I saw something on the bottom of the bowl that I thought must've been > stool. I think I had done a Hulda flush. laura > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Rachd1961@a...> > <gallstones@y...> > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:55 PM > Subject: Re: Re: which side?..Dale..?? > > > > Da_@e... writes: > > > I don't know for sure but from all my digging all I got was cholesterol > > > stones. I never had anything that was heavy enough to drop to the bottom > of > > > the bowel > > > > Maybe the calcium ones are more prone to breaking down or dissolving and > > that's why we don't see them. > > > > How about the rest of the group. Have any of you, to your knowledge, ever > > eliminated a calcified stone? > > > > The reason I'm asking is that I'm just curious about the experience - if > it > > was any different in any way than passing the cholesterol ones. > > > > in health, > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2002 Report Share Posted February 7, 2002 Thanks , I'm very interested in the ultrasound 'proof' of removing calcified (harder to remove) stones. How many flushes have you completed? Have you had an ultrasound lately to see if any are still there? When was your last one and how many are left? I was first 'ultrasounded' with a 1cm stone floating within the gb I guess because it moves down and blocks the opening which causes the biliary colic. Then after a successful first flush getting out several 1cm and larger stones I was sure I had gotten out that problem stone. I rushed back to ultrasound only to find it still there. I've now completed 4 flushes (Dr. ) and still suspect it's there because I sometimes have the colic in the night. I know these are much harder to get out but that was the purpose for me to flush vs. surgery. I want to be pain-free. I was going to wait until after my 5th flush to check ultrasound again. From what I can understand by all this flushing is that while the softer, liver stones are easier to flush and come out in the hundreds, the pain producing harder, calcified gb stone is another monster all together. I'm wondering if it will ever come out. I've laid on my right side and back. Someone suggest left side for 'heavy' stones but I'm not sure it is that much heavier and will sink to the bottom of the bowl. Also, I was thinking laying on the back sort of 'logically' gets all stones, soft and heavy. Anyway, I will still continue this 'seemingly harder road' of gb stones cleansing that some of us with calcified colic stones must take. Surgery is my other option and the jury is still out. Thanks, Barry. > > > I think I may have passed a calcified stone on a later flush. I had > > the > > > ultrasound tech compare my two ultrasounds and she said that it was > > hard to > > > tell but it looked as if I may have moved one out. Then I > > remembered in one > > > flush I saw something on the bottom of the bowl that I thought > > must've been > > > stool. I think I had done a Hulda flush. laura > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <Rachd1961@a...> > > > <gallstones@y...> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:55 PM > > > Subject: Re: Re: which side?..Dale..?? > > > > > > > > > > Da_@e... writes: > > > > > I don't know for sure but from all my digging all I got was > > cholesterol > > > > > stones. I never had anything that was heavy enough to drop to > > the bottom > > > of > > > > > the bowel > > > > > > > > Maybe the calcium ones are more prone to breaking down or > > dissolving and > > > > that's why we don't see them. > > > > > > > > How about the rest of the group. Have any of you, to your > > knowledge, ever > > > > eliminated a calcified stone? > > > > > > > > The reason I'm asking is that I'm just curious about the > > experience - if > > > it > > > > was any different in any way than passing the cholesterol ones. > > > > > > > > in health, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2002 Report Share Posted February 7, 2002 Thanks for that info. Sounds like after around 15 flushes you were finally clear. Why didn't you do some kind of maintanance flush every 3 or 6 months to keep your liver and/or gb clear of new stones? Sounds like the year you took off could have been the time those 3 stones were formed new? Could be. In that case you shouldn't feel bummed out. I've heard that once the stones are found they can continue to be made even after a diet change. Maybe Lecithin can keep the bile from getting so thick. Or more bile salts in a suppliment. Anyway, a maintanance flush occasionally could have keep the stones for coming back so fast. Are you planning on starting up a few cleanses again to try and get those 3 out? I am doing my 5th cleanse tonight and am hoping to get a few more hundred liver stones out and maybe some calcifing stones too. My ultrasound only showed the one 1cm stone floating around in my gb. It was taken even while I was still having the colic and it was strange that the stone was away from the mouth of my gb. Like sitting in the middle area. That was before any flush or removal of any sludge or possible duct blockage. The rest of my gallbladder looked fine, only bloated from the build up of bile. The 3 gastrologist doctors that I went to after my first scan said that the walls could be diseased but they couldn't tell without further tests. They then told me to make an appointment to cut out my gb without even suggesting waiting for the test results. This is when I started to doubt their intentions and starting searching on the internet for more 'unbiased' information. They last one I saw, I asked him about Olive oil because I had started to find information about it. He then went over to his office door, shut it, and told me in whispers that I should try it because he has heard of many people who have had success with it. He suggested drinking a teaspoon a day of Olive oil and see what happened. That was the closest innformation I heard to a flush and keeping my organ from a doctor until I found the cleanses online. Anyway, good luck with your health. Barry. > > > Barry, I can't remember which flush the stone on the bottom of the > > bowl > > > was. I am thinking around the5th or 6th. > > > The first ultrasound report only said " several moderately large > > calcified > > > stones " . The tech that I got to look at it couldn't tell how many > > either. > > > Apparently they were all together. But she did tell me the second > > > ultrasound had three stones in separate places and she was able to > > tell me > > > the size of each. 1.0, 1.0 and 1.3. I did tell her about the > > flush and > > > that I thought I passed one out. Now another time that I passed > > two large > > > stones that floated, I measured and I thought this could have been > > one I had > > > passed out of the gallbladder. It was about an inch across and she > > said it > > > appeared that one of the ones from the first ultrasound was about > > that same > > > size. At the time that I saw the thing on the bottom of the bowl, > > it was > > > before all the talk of floating and non floating so I didn't pay > > much > > > attention, I just thought it was stool. I realized later that it > > must have > > > been a stone. That is why I can't really remember when it was. > > > > > > Also, on all my flushes except the first, I laid on my back. The > > first one > > > I laid on my right side. > > > > > > laura > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: " barry91162 " <barry91162@y...> > > > <gallstones@y...> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 6:09 PM > > > Subject: Re: which side?....? > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > Very interesting. Could you clarify some more please? On > > > > which 'later' flush was it? 10, 15? > > > > Also, ultrasound. How many did you see on the first scan and the > > last > > > > one? Do you know the size(s) and number of stones that could be > > seen > > > > approximately? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Barry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In gallstones@y..., " robert mcmullan " <mcfam12@m...> wrote: > > > > > I think I may have passed a calcified stone on a later flush. I > > had > > > > the > > > > > ultrasound tech compare my two ultrasounds and she said that it > > was > > > > hard to > > > > > tell but it looked as if I may have moved one out. Then I > > > > remembered in one > > > > > flush I saw something on the bottom of the bowl that I thought > > > > must've been > > > > > stool. I think I had done a Hulda flush. laura > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: <Rachd1961@a...> > > > > > <gallstones@y...> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:55 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: which side?..Dale..?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Da_@e... writes: > > > > > > > I don't know for sure but from all my digging all I got was > > > > cholesterol > > > > > > > stones. I never had anything that was heavy enough to drop > > to > > > > the bottom > > > > > of > > > > > > > the bowel > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe the calcium ones are more prone to breaking down or > > > > dissolving and > > > > > > that's why we don't see them. > > > > > > > > > > > > How about the rest of the group. Have any of you, to your > > > > knowledge, ever > > > > > > eliminated a calcified stone? > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason I'm asking is that I'm just curious about the > > > > experience - if > > > > > it > > > > > > was any different in any way than passing the cholesterol > > ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > in health, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2002 Report Share Posted February 8, 2002 , Oh, ok, you had me confused because on your last post you said oct. 2000 and then nov. 2001. You threw me off with that typo. So, you did 15 flushes and still had the 3 little stones. But, you also think that you did get a calcified stone out sometime because you thought you saw one in the bowl on your 5th or 6th flush. Ok, I'm with you now. Do you think the turmeric over the last 6 months has caused your hard calcified stones to decrease in size? I heard GCG was only effective for cholesterol stones. Same with the long acting medications like Actigall, etc. I've heard of Chanca Piedra also but don't know much about it. Dale, or Dax, one of them said they got their stones to decrease from 3cm to 2cm in 6 months of Chanca Piedra. It was on a post last month under the title Chanca Piedra. I had asked the question looking for 'stone breakers' info of the hard, gb, calcified type. This is the 'pain producer' in my theory of biliary colic. Soft liver cholesterol stones don't produce pain for me and come out in hundreds while flushing. I'm concerned with the real problem of gb stones that cause pain. This is what I mean by 'some people need to understand this' real cause of stone pain and where it is caused by that I spoke to Debra about. I think a lot of people flush a few hundred soft liver cholesterol stones out and then they don't understand why they still have pain. These flushing methods are good for cleansing liver and soft gb stones but the hard ones (which are usually the colic ones) need to be understood more, identified, and really worked on with proper diet, herbs, etc over a longer period of time. I'd love to see more info posted on these problem stones instead of easy liver stone flushing. Like you I am also concerned that after 5 flushes, or even 15, I will still have that ultrasound sound, pain while eating, and be back to base one on curing the pain problem. I think if I get to that point, I will opt for surgery, eat pizza, and help Debra to explain sugery-survival methods. :-) In health. Barry. > > > > > > > I think I may have passed a calcified stone on a later > > flush. I > > > > had > > > > > > the > > > > > > > ultrasound tech compare my two ultrasounds and she said > > that it > > > > was > > > > > > hard to > > > > > > > tell but it looked as if I may have moved one out. Then I > > > > > > remembered in one > > > > > > > flush I saw something on the bottom of the bowl that I > > thought > > > > > > must've been > > > > > > > stool. I think I had done a Hulda flush. laura > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: <Rachd1961@a...> > > > > > > > <gallstones@y...> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:55 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: which side?..Dale..?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Da_@e... writes: > > > > > > > > > I don't know for sure but from all my digging all I got > > was > > > > > > cholesterol > > > > > > > > > stones. I never had anything that was heavy enough to > > drop > > > > to > > > > > > the bottom > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the bowel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe the calcium ones are more prone to breaking down or > > > > > > dissolving and > > > > > > > > that's why we don't see them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about the rest of the group. Have any of you, to your > > > > > > knowledge, ever > > > > > > > > eliminated a calcified stone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason I'm asking is that I'm just curious about the > > > > > > experience - if > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > was any different in any way than passing the cholesterol > > > > ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in health, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2002 Report Share Posted February 9, 2002 Thanks , Yes, my pain (colic in the middle of the night) has gone down from about twice a week and for 2 to 3 hours...to 30 minutes once a month. I take an antispasmatic medication which stops the pain in 10 minutes so I go right back to sleep. I want to really get this 'calcified' stone out, or whatever it is. It hasn't come out after 5 flushes so I must continue to search for ways to force it out or reduce it so that it can come out. Chanca Peidra sounds good and I might 'order' some of that. I've heard GCG is only for cholessterol stones like Antigall. Antigall would not be helpful for my hard stone so I want to find something stronger and faster. Wouldn't that be great if there was such a thing? Thanks again. Barry. > Hi Barry, sorry for the confusion. I can only hope that the combination of > diet and the turmeric will have shrunk the stones. My diet is so tight I > squeak! If I had problems I would act differently and probably do regular > flushes. But I do think getting to the root of the problems should help the > outcome. > I thought Chang told me that the GCG was to give the gallbladder > energy. Maybe she misspoke, I don't know. You may want to look into turmeric > or curcuma, same thing. Ben Simonton is the fellow who is taking the > Chanca Piedra and has shrunk his stone. I took some of 's herbs but > then started on this arthritis treatment and stopped. My doc cautions > against taking anything from someone over the phone or whatever. But it > sounds like the Chanca Piedra really helps. > If your pain is getting better then is sounds like you have time to shrink > your stone. Have you read Dr. Cabot's books. She's really good. I > have a book by Dr. Murray who gives some herbal and nutritional > recommendations if you would like them I'll email them to you. Just tell me. > It must be different with different people as far as pain is concerned. > Another poster, Ken, had terrible trouble with cholesterol stones and solved > it with diet and supplements. > Well, you have a good outlook on the whole thing. I was just too scared to > have surgery and worried about life after. > Take care. laura > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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