Re: Conversation with the doctor's nurse

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Yikes, she sounds very snippy and rude. That is unfortunate. Hopefully the doctor you deal with will be much nicer! Pattyleyna1964 <leyna1964@...> wrote: Ok, I just talked to that Dr. Wallace's nurse, .Again, I did not like her much.....she said that Silicone and Saline breast imlants do NOT cause problems....numerous recent studies have proven this, according to her.She assured me that my insurance will NOT pay. I told her that

I talked to them and they said they would,but that I had to have a letter from my doctor, telling me that it is medically necessary to have them removed.She yapped at me some more about how they will not pay, and then she said that they would not do the surgery on me until I had a letter from my insurance, stating that they would pay for removal.She kept cutting into my questions when I tried to tell my "story" about how ill I've been. She said that the implants could NOT be causing those problems, and that they still use Silicone implants themselves, and they are perfectly safe.On a good note, she said that they use General Anesthesia, and that the surgery is done in a "surgery center" rather than a hospital.She said that once I have that letter that states my insurance will pay for it, then it is normally an 8 to 12 week wait on the surgery.....:(I called Dr. Shanklin's office

too...he was out, so I left a message and my number for him to call me back.I just called my Gyno back too. The nurse said that my hormones were perfectly fine, like I knew they would be. I expressed my concern about my implants, and she wrote down the information to tell the doctor that I want to get an MRI and she is going to ask him to help me find a surgeon. I told her that I would be leaving for work at 1:45, so I'm hoping I will hear from her before then, but it's not likely.When I had to have my hysterectomy two years ago, this doctor was great about dealing with all that insurance stuff, so hopefully he can do the same in this situation.I can't deal with this headache and shoulder/neck pain much longer! __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

It is amazing that those working in an office that does implants can say such things. They know the risks. My PS gave me a tiny little booklet stating all the FDA information that women considering saline-filled breast implants. I sitll have this booklet, let me read you word for word what it says about complications. Keep in mind this was in the year 2000 when this was given to me. "Autoimmune diseases. According to scientific studies, women with breast implants in general are not an increased risk for autoimmune or connective tissue disease. However, these studies are too small to detect whether there might be a slightly increased risk of any one of these rare diseases. Also, these current studies have looked only for the symptoms of known autoimmune diseases, rahter than the variety of symptoms that some women report experiencing. Some of the reported symptoms

include: Swelling and/or joint pain or arthritis-like pain: General aching Unusual hair loss Unexplained or unusual loss of energy Greater chance of getting colds, viruses, and flu Swollen glands or lymph nodes Rash Memory problems, headaches Muscle weakness or burning Nausea, vomiting Irritable bowel syndrome. Also, I would like to note, this booklet was given to me during my discharge process after I recieved my implants. The nurse "forgot" to get it to me at my pre-op appointment. I never read it untill I went into my basement to find my records about my implants when I realized it was the implants making me so sick. leyna1964 <leyna1964@...> wrote: Ok, I just talked to that Dr. Wallace's nurse, .Again, I did not like her much.....she said that Silicone and Saline breast imlants do NOT cause problems....numerous recent studies have proven this, according to her.She assured me that my insurance will NOT pay. I told her that I talked to them and they said they would,but that I had to have a letter from my doctor, telling me that it is medically necessary to have them removed.She yapped at me some more about how they will not pay, and then she said that they

would not do the surgery on me until I had a letter from my insurance, stating that they would pay for removal.She kept cutting into my questions when I tried to tell my "story" about how ill I've been. She said that the implants could NOT be causing those problems, and that they still use Silicone implants themselves, and they are perfectly safe.On a good note, she said that they use General Anesthesia, and that the surgery is done in a "surgery center" rather than a hospital.She said that once I have that letter that states my insurance will pay for it, then it is normally an 8 to 12 week wait on the surgery.....:(I called Dr. Shanklin's office too...he was out, so I left a message and my number for him to call me back.I just called my Gyno back too. The nurse said that my hormones were perfectly fine, like I knew they would be. I expressed my concern about my implants, and she wrote

down the information to tell the doctor that I want to get an MRI and she is going to ask him to help me find a surgeon. I told her that I would be leaving for work at 1:45, so I'm hoping I will hear from her before then, but it's not likely.When I had to have my hysterectomy two years ago, this doctor was great about dealing with all that insurance stuff, so hopefully he can do the same in this situation.I can't deal with this headache and shoulder/neck pain much longer!

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Wow . . . She sounds like she is really tuned into the patient's needs! . . . NOT! Rogene leyna1964 <leyna1964@...> wrote: Ok, I just talked to that Dr. Wallace's nurse, .Again, I did not like her much.....she said that Silicone and Saline breast imlants do NOT cause problems....numerous recent studies have proven this, according to her.She assured me that my insurance will NOT pay. I told her that I talked to

them and they said they would,but that I had to have a letter from my doctor, telling me that it is medically necessary to have them removed.She yapped at me some more about how they will not pay, and then she said that they would not do the surgery on me until I had a letter from my insurance, stating that they would pay for removal.She kept cutting into my questions when I tried to tell my "story" about how ill I've been. She said that the implants could NOT be causing those problems, and that they still use Silicone implants themselves, and they are perfectly safe.On a good note, she said that they use General Anesthesia, and that the surgery is done in a "surgery center" rather than a hospital.She said that once I have that letter that states my insurance will pay for it, then it is normally an 8 to 12 week wait on the surgery.....:(I called Dr. Shanklin's office too...he was out, so I

left a message and my number for him to call me back.I just called my Gyno back too. The nurse said that my hormones were perfectly fine, like I knew they would be. I expressed my concern about my implants, and she wrote down the information to tell the doctor that I want to get an MRI and she is going to ask him to help me find a surgeon. I told her that I would be leaving for work at 1:45, so I'm hoping I will hear from her before then, but it's not likely.When I had to have my hysterectomy two years ago, this doctor was great about dealing with all that insurance stuff, so hopefully he can do the same in this situation.I can't deal with this headache and shoulder/neck pain much longer!

[Guest guest]

Yes, the nurse sounds very snippy. More than snippy. Obnoxious.

When I was looking for doctors, one actually told me that silicone was perfectly

safe - even

if the implants were ruptured. I never called THAT doctor back. He was out of

his mind.

> Ok, I just talked to that Dr. Wallace's nurse, .

>

> Again, I did not like her much.....she said that Silicone and Saline

> breast imlants do NOT cause problems....numerous recent studies have

> proven this, according to her.

>

> She assured me that my insurance will NOT pay. I told her that I

> talked to them and they said they would,but that I had to have a

> letter from my doctor, telling me that it is medically necessary to

> have them removed.

>

> She yapped at me some more about how they will not pay, and then she

> said that they would not do the surgery on me until I had a letter

> from my insurance, stating that they would pay for removal.

>

> She kept cutting into my questions when I tried to tell my " story "

> about how ill I've been. She said that the implants could NOT be

> causing those problems, and that they still use Silicone implants

> themselves, and they are perfectly safe.

>

> On a good note, she said that they use General Anesthesia, and that

> the surgery is done in a " surgery center " rather than a hospital.

>

> She said that once I have that letter that states my insurance will

> pay for it, then it is normally an 8 to 12 week wait on the

> surgery.....

>

> I called Dr. Shanklin's office too...he was out, so I left a message

> and my number for him to call me back.

>

> I just called my Gyno back too. The nurse said that my hormones

> were perfectly fine, like I knew they would be. I expressed my

> concern about my implants, and she wrote down the information to

> tell the doctor that I want to get an MRI and she is going to ask

> him to help me find a surgeon. I told her that I would be leaving

> for work at 1:45, so I'm hoping I will hear from her before then,

> but it's not likely.

>

> When I had to have my hysterectomy two years ago, this doctor was

> great about dealing with all that insurance stuff, so hopefully he

> can do the same in this situation.

>

> I can't deal with this headache and shoulder/neck pain much longer!

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I know. I mean, I truly hope that I can find another

doctor who will do En Bloc and take my insurance...I

will go to this office only if it is my last choice!

To think...their office STILL uses Silicone! That just

blows my mind! She said that the FDA has allowed them

back on the market now! I told her... " Yeah-wonder

why...probably because the manufacturers are making

BILLIONS of dollars off them-it doesn't matter if

people are dying from them-as long as they get their

mone-and the FDA is probably getting some cut out of

it too, so they're saying they're safe! " *rolls eyes*

--- Lamse <wannabe_proverbs31@...>

wrote:

> It is amazing that those working in an office that

> does implants can say such things. They know the

> risks. My PS gave me a tiny little booklet stating

> all the FDA information that women considering

> saline-filled breast implants. I sitll have this

> booklet, let me read you word for word what it says

> about complications. Keep in mind this was in the

> year 2000 when this was given to me.

>

> " Autoimmune diseases.

>

> According to scientific studies, women with breast

> implants in general are not an increased risk for

> autoimmune or connective tissue disease. However,

> these studies are too small to detect whether there

> might be a slightly increased risk of any one of

> these rare diseases. Also, these current studies

> have looked only for the symptoms of known

> autoimmune diseases, rahter than the variety of

> symptoms that some women report experiencing. Some

> of the reported symptoms include:

>

> Swelling and/or joint pain or arthritis-like pain:

> General aching

> Unusual hair loss

> Unexplained or unusual loss of energy

> Greater chance of getting colds, viruses, and flu

> Swollen glands or lymph nodes

> Rash

> Memory problems, headaches

> Muscle weakness or burning

> Nausea, vomiting

> Irritable bowel syndrome.

>

> Also, I would like to note, this booklet was given

> to me during my discharge process after I recieved

> my implants. The nurse " forgot " to get it to me at

> my pre-op appointment. I never read it untill I

> went into my basement to find my records about my

> implants when I realized it was the implants making

> me so sick.

>

>

>

>

>

> leyna1964 <leyna1964@...> wrote:

> Ok, I just talked to that Dr. Wallace's

> nurse, .

>

> Again, I did not like her much.....she said that

> Silicone and Saline

> breast imlants do NOT cause problems....numerous

> recent studies have

> proven this, according to her.

>

> She assured me that my insurance will NOT pay. I

> told her that I

> talked to them and they said they would,but that I

> had to have a

> letter from my doctor, telling me that it is

> medically necessary to

> have them removed.

>

> She yapped at me some more about how they will not

> pay, and then she

> said that they would not do the surgery on me until

> I had a letter

> from my insurance, stating that they would pay for

> removal.

>

> She kept cutting into my questions when I tried to

> tell my " story "

> about how ill I've been. She said that the implants

> could NOT be

> causing those problems, and that they still use

> Silicone implants

> themselves, and they are perfectly safe.

>

> On a good note, she said that they use General

> Anesthesia, and that

> the surgery is done in a " surgery center " rather

> than a hospital.

>

> She said that once I have that letter that states my

> insurance will

> pay for it, then it is normally an 8 to 12 week wait

> on the

> surgery.....

>

> I called Dr. Shanklin's office too...he was out, so

> I left a message

> and my number for him to call me back.

>

> I just called my Gyno back too. The nurse said that

> my hormones

> were perfectly fine, like I knew they would be. I

> expressed my

> concern about my implants, and she wrote down the

> information to

> tell the doctor that I want to get an MRI and she is

> going to ask

> him to help me find a surgeon. I told her that I

> would be leaving

> for work at 1:45, so I'm hoping I will hear from her

> before then,

> but it's not likely.

>

> When I had to have my hysterectomy two years ago,

> this doctor was

> great about dealing with all that insurance stuff,

> so hopefully he

> can do the same in this situation.

>

> I can't deal with this headache and shoulder/neck

> pain much longer!

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

That nurse doesn't know what she is talking about.

The FDA has NOT lifted the ban, at least, not yet.

> > Ok, I just talked to that Dr. Wallace's

> > nurse, .

> >

> > Again, I did not like her much.....she said that

> > Silicone and Saline

> > breast imlants do NOT cause problems....numerous

> > recent studies have

> > proven this, according to her.

> >

> > She assured me that my insurance will NOT pay. I

> > told her that I

> > talked to them and they said they would,but that I

> > had to have a

> > letter from my doctor, telling me that it is

> > medically necessary to

> > have them removed.

> >

> > She yapped at me some more about how they will not

> > pay, and then she

> > said that they would not do the surgery on me until

> > I had a letter

> > from my insurance, stating that they would pay for

> > removal.

> >

> > She kept cutting into my questions when I tried to

> > tell my " story "

> > about how ill I've been. She said that the implants

> > could NOT be

> > causing those problems, and that they still use

> > Silicone implants

> > themselves, and they are perfectly safe.

> >

> > On a good note, she said that they use General

> > Anesthesia, and that

> > the surgery is done in a " surgery center " rather

> > than a hospital.

> >

> > She said that once I have that letter that states my

> > insurance will

> > pay for it, then it is normally an 8 to 12 week wait

> > on the

> > surgery.....

> >

> > I called Dr. Shanklin's office too...he was out, so

> > I left a message

> > and my number for him to call me back.

> >

> > I just called my Gyno back too. The nurse said that

> > my hormones

> > were perfectly fine, like I knew they would be. I

> > expressed my

> > concern about my implants, and she wrote down the

> > information to

> > tell the doctor that I want to get an MRI and she is

> > going to ask

> > him to help me find a surgeon. I told her that I

> > would be leaving

> > for work at 1:45, so I'm hoping I will hear from her

> > before then,

> > but it's not likely.

> >

> > When I had to have my hysterectomy two years ago,

> > this doctor was

> > great about dealing with all that insurance stuff,

> > so hopefully he

> > can do the same in this situation.

> >

> > I can't deal with this headache and shoulder/neck

> > pain much longer!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

That nurse doesn't know what she is talking about.

The FDA has NOT lifted the ban, at least, not yet.

> > Ok, I just talked to that Dr. Wallace's

> > nurse, .

> >

> > Again, I did not like her much.....she said that

> > Silicone and Saline

> > breast imlants do NOT cause problems....numerous

> > recent studies have

> > proven this, according to her.

> >

> > She assured me that my insurance will NOT pay. I

> > told her that I

> > talked to them and they said they would,but that I

> > had to have a

> > letter from my doctor, telling me that it is

> > medically necessary to

> > have them removed.

> >

> > She yapped at me some more about how they will not

> > pay, and then she

> > said that they would not do the surgery on me until

> > I had a letter

> > from my insurance, stating that they would pay for

> > removal.

> >

> > She kept cutting into my questions when I tried to

> > tell my " story "

> > about how ill I've been. She said that the implants

> > could NOT be

> > causing those problems, and that they still use

> > Silicone implants

> > themselves, and they are perfectly safe.

> >

> > On a good note, she said that they use General

> > Anesthesia, and that

> > the surgery is done in a " surgery center " rather

> > than a hospital.

> >

> > She said that once I have that letter that states my

> > insurance will

> > pay for it, then it is normally an 8 to 12 week wait

> > on the

> > surgery.....

> >

> > I called Dr. Shanklin's office too...he was out, so

> > I left a message

> > and my number for him to call me back.

> >

> > I just called my Gyno back too. The nurse said that

> > my hormones

> > were perfectly fine, like I knew they would be. I

> > expressed my

> > concern about my implants, and she wrote down the

> > information to

> > tell the doctor that I want to get an MRI and she is

> > going to ask

> > him to help me find a surgeon. I told her that I

> > would be leaving

> > for work at 1:45, so I'm hoping I will hear from her

> > before then,

> > but it's not likely.

> >

> > When I had to have my hysterectomy two years ago,

> > this doctor was

> > great about dealing with all that insurance stuff,

> > so hopefully he

> > can do the same in this situation.

> >

> > I can't deal with this headache and shoulder/neck

> > pain much longer!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

The FDA has not lifted the ban but if a patient has had silicone before,

they can get them again. Also, if they have had salines that have failed,

they can get silicone. The plastic surgeon I saw said he could use them in

certain circumstances as well. I don't know what those circumstances are

but I didn't fall into that criteria.

Kenda

> That nurse doesn't know what she is talking about.

> The FDA has NOT lifted the ban, at least, not yet.

>

>

>>> Ok, I just talked to that Dr. Wallace's

>>> nurse, .

>>>

>>> Again, I did not like her much.....she said that

>>> Silicone and Saline

>>> breast imlants do NOT cause problems....numerous

>>> recent studies have

>>> proven this, according to her.

>>>

>>> She assured me that my insurance will NOT pay. I

>>> told her that I

>>> talked to them and they said they would,but that I

>>> had to have a

>>> letter from my doctor, telling me that it is

>>> medically necessary to

>>> have them removed.

>>>

>>> She yapped at me some more about how they will not

>>> pay, and then she

>>> said that they would not do the surgery on me until

>>> I had a letter

>>> from my insurance, stating that they would pay for

>>> removal.

>>>

>>> She kept cutting into my questions when I tried to

>>> tell my " story "

>>> about how ill I've been. She said that the implants

>>> could NOT be

>>> causing those problems, and that they still use

>>> Silicone implants

>>> themselves, and they are perfectly safe.

>>>

>>> On a good note, she said that they use General

>>> Anesthesia, and that

>>> the surgery is done in a " surgery center " rather

>>> than a hospital.

>>>

>>> She said that once I have that letter that states my

>>> insurance will

>>> pay for it, then it is normally an 8 to 12 week wait

>>> on the

>>> surgery.....

>>>

>>> I called Dr. Shanklin's office too...he was out, so

>>> I left a message

>>> and my number for him to call me back.

>>>

>>> I just called my Gyno back too. The nurse said that

>>> my hormones

>>> were perfectly fine, like I knew they would be. I

>>> expressed my

>>> concern about my implants, and she wrote down the

>>> information to

>>> tell the doctor that I want to get an MRI and she is

>>> going to ask

>>> him to help me find a surgeon. I told her that I

>>> would be leaving

>>> for work at 1:45, so I'm hoping I will hear from her

>>> before then,

>>> but it's not likely.

>>>

>>> When I had to have my hysterectomy two years ago,

>>> this doctor was

>>> great about dealing with all that insurance stuff,

>>> so hopefully he

>>> can do the same in this situation.

>>>

>>> I can't deal with this headache and shoulder/neck

>>> pain much longer!

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> ---------------------------------

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>>

>>

>>

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>>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I know. But this is not what the doc's office told her. They said that

the FDA lifted

the ban. The FDA has not lifted any ban! (Actually it was called a moratorium)

And realistically, doctors get around this all the time. I am amazed that you

didn't have a

doctor who would.

> >>> Ok, I just talked to that Dr. Wallace's

> >>> nurse, .

> >>>

> >>> Again, I did not like her much.....she said that

> >>> Silicone and Saline

> >>> breast imlants do NOT cause problems....numerous

> >>> recent studies have

> >>> proven this, according to her.

> >>>

> >>> She assured me that my insurance will NOT pay. I

> >>> told her that I

> >>> talked to them and they said they would,but that I

> >>> had to have a

> >>> letter from my doctor, telling me that it is

> >>> medically necessary to

> >>> have them removed.

> >>>

> >>> She yapped at me some more about how they will not

> >>> pay, and then she

> >>> said that they would not do the surgery on me until

> >>> I had a letter

> >>> from my insurance, stating that they would pay for

> >>> removal.

> >>>

> >>> She kept cutting into my questions when I tried to

> >>> tell my " story "

> >>> about how ill I've been. She said that the implants

> >>> could NOT be

> >>> causing those problems, and that they still use

> >>> Silicone implants

> >>> themselves, and they are perfectly safe.

> >>>

> >>> On a good note, she said that they use General

> >>> Anesthesia, and that

> >>> the surgery is done in a " surgery center " rather

> >>> than a hospital.

> >>>

> >>> She said that once I have that letter that states my

> >>> insurance will

> >>> pay for it, then it is normally an 8 to 12 week wait

> >>> on the

> >>> surgery.....

> >>>

> >>> I called Dr. Shanklin's office too...he was out, so

> >>> I left a message

> >>> and my number for him to call me back.

> >>>

> >>> I just called my Gyno back too. The nurse said that

> >>> my hormones

> >>> were perfectly fine, like I knew they would be. I

> >>> expressed my

> >>> concern about my implants, and she wrote down the

> >>> information to

> >>> tell the doctor that I want to get an MRI and she is

> >>> going to ask

> >>> him to help me find a surgeon. I told her that I

> >>> would be leaving

> >>> for work at 1:45, so I'm hoping I will hear from her

> >>> before then,

> >>> but it's not likely.

> >>>

> >>> When I had to have my hysterectomy two years ago,

> >>> this doctor was

> >>> great about dealing with all that insurance stuff,

> >>> so hopefully he

> >>> can do the same in this situation.

> >>>

> >>> I can't deal with this headache and shoulder/neck

> >>> pain much longer!

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> ---------------------------------

> >>> Get your email and more, right on the new .com

> >>

> >>

> >>

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> >>

[Guest guest]

Righto Kenda.

We even have women in our group who were told that as long as they

had had saline before, they could " upgrade " to silicone gel ... some

had saline put in and then months later replaced ... with no

apparent problems yet.

Ilena

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org

> >>> Ok, I just talked to that Dr. Wallace's

> >>> nurse, .

> >>>

> >>> Again, I did not like her much.....she said that

> >>> Silicone and Saline

> >>> breast imlants do NOT cause problems....numerous

> >>> recent studies have

> >>> proven this, according to her.

> >>>

> >>> She assured me that my insurance will NOT pay. I

> >>> told her that I

> >>> talked to them and they said they would,but that I

> >>> had to have a

> >>> letter from my doctor, telling me that it is

> >>> medically necessary to

> >>> have them removed.

> >>>

> >>> She yapped at me some more about how they will not

> >>> pay, and then she

> >>> said that they would not do the surgery on me until

> >>> I had a letter

> >>> from my insurance, stating that they would pay for

> >>> removal.

> >>>

> >>> She kept cutting into my questions when I tried to

> >>> tell my " story "

> >>> about how ill I've been. She said that the implants

> >>> could NOT be

> >>> causing those problems, and that they still use

> >>> Silicone implants

> >>> themselves, and they are perfectly safe.

> >>>

> >>> On a good note, she said that they use General

> >>> Anesthesia, and that

> >>> the surgery is done in a " surgery center " rather

> >>> than a hospital.

> >>>

> >>> She said that once I have that letter that states my

> >>> insurance will

> >>> pay for it, then it is normally an 8 to 12 week wait

> >>> on the

> >>> surgery.....

> >>>

> >>> I called Dr. Shanklin's office too...he was out, so

> >>> I left a message

> >>> and my number for him to call me back.

> >>>

> >>> I just called my Gyno back too. The nurse said that

> >>> my hormones

> >>> were perfectly fine, like I knew they would be. I

> >>> expressed my

> >>> concern about my implants, and she wrote down the

> >>> information to

> >>> tell the doctor that I want to get an MRI and she is

> >>> going to ask

> >>> him to help me find a surgeon. I told her that I

> >>> would be leaving

> >>> for work at 1:45, so I'm hoping I will hear from her

> >>> before then,

> >>> but it's not likely.

> >>>

> >>> When I had to have my hysterectomy two years ago,

> >>> this doctor was

> >>> great about dealing with all that insurance stuff,

> >>> so hopefully he

> >>> can do the same in this situation.

> >>>

> >>> I can't deal with this headache and shoulder/neck

> >>> pain much longer!

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> ---------------------------------

> >>> Get your email and more, right on the new .com

> >>

> >>

> >>

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Leyna, There are ways to get around the silicone gel moratorium . . . One way is to enroll the woman in a study . . . However, one year, four months after the FDA Pre-Market Approval Hearings, neither Mentor or Inamed's silicone gel implants have been approved . . .and these aren't even the cohesive gel implants that they will be seeking approval for in the not-so-distant future. I understand they are just a signature away from being approved . . . i.e., the manufacturer's have to agree to conditions that they're aren't all that happy about. . . Hopefully, if approved, they will have to continue tracking women if they get their implants out AND will have to provide stats on miscarriages, still born, and the health of offspring . . . . . . IMHO, if they do that, implants will soon be banned. Anyone using them in unapproved ways is subject to

penalty. . . . They can be reported to the FDA and/or to the Medical Association. . . Aad they shoulld be. They are risking women's lives . . . as well as their unborn children's. Rogene

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There are so many misinformed people out there!!!

How can she say this when the ban has NOT been lifted!

> > > Ok, I just talked to that Dr. Wallace's

> > > nurse, .

> > >

> > > Again, I did not like her much.....she said that

> > > Silicone and Saline

> > > breast imlants do NOT cause problems....numerous

> > > recent studies have

> > > proven this, according to her.

> > >

> > > She assured me that my insurance will NOT pay. I

> > > told her that I

> > > talked to them and they said they would,but that I

> > > had to have a

> > > letter from my doctor, telling me that it is

> > > medically necessary to

> > > have them removed.

> > >

> > > She yapped at me some more about how they will not

> > > pay, and then she

> > > said that they would not do the surgery on me until

> > > I had a letter

> > > from my insurance, stating that they would pay for

> > > removal.

> > >

> > > She kept cutting into my questions when I tried to

> > > tell my " story "

> > > about how ill I've been. She said that the implants

> > > could NOT be

> > > causing those problems, and that they still use

> > > Silicone implants

> > > themselves, and they are perfectly safe.

> > >

> > > On a good note, she said that they use General

> > > Anesthesia, and that

> > > the surgery is done in a " surgery center " rather

> > > than a hospital.

> > >

> > > She said that once I have that letter that states my

> > > insurance will

> > > pay for it, then it is normally an 8 to 12 week wait

> > > on the

> > > surgery.....

> > >

> > > I called Dr. Shanklin's office too...he was out, so

> > > I left a message

> > > and my number for him to call me back.

> > >

> > > I just called my Gyno back too. The nurse said that

> > > my hormones

> > > were perfectly fine, like I knew they would be. I

> > > expressed my

> > > concern about my implants, and she wrote down the

> > > information to

> > > tell the doctor that I want to get an MRI and she is

> > > going to ask

> > > him to help me find a surgeon. I told her that I

> > > would be leaving

> > > for work at 1:45, so I'm hoping I will hear from her

> > > before then,

> > > but it's not likely.

> > >

> > > When I had to have my hysterectomy two years ago,

> > > this doctor was

> > > great about dealing with all that insurance stuff,

> > > so hopefully he

> > > can do the same in this situation.

> > >

> > > I can't deal with this headache and shoulder/neck

> > > pain much longer!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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THe problem with the FDA approval "with conditions" is that nobody at the FDA has the power to monitor those conditions, and then, what happens if the conditions aren't met? There is no teeth in this conditional approval whatsoever. PattyRogene S <saxony01@...> wrote: Leyna, There are ways to get around the silicone gel moratorium . . . One way is to enroll the woman in a study . . . However, one year, four months after the

FDA Pre-Market Approval Hearings, neither Mentor or Inamed's silicone gel implants have been approved . . .and these aren't even the cohesive gel implants that they will be seeking approval for in the not-so-distant future. I understand they are just a signature away from being approved . . . i.e., the manufacturer's have to agree to conditions that they're aren't all that happy about. . . Hopefully, if approved, they will have to continue tracking women if they get their implants out AND will have to provide stats on miscarriages, still born, and the health of offspring . . . . . . IMHO, if they do that, implants will soon be banned. Anyone using them in unapproved ways is subject to penalty. . . . They can be reported to the FDA and/or to the Medical Association. . . Aad they shoulld be. They are risking women's lives . . . as well as their unborn children's. Rogene

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Perhaps what we need to do is get copies of these booklets and take them with us to the doctors offices of every doctor we see, and point out that is says right there in black and white what we are experiencing. If the FDA has acknowledged that these are legitimate symptoms of illness that are being reported with implants, then doctors would be risking malpractice to tell us otherwise! Thanks ! Good job....do you have a publication address for these booklets? I wonder if they have been updated? Patty Lamse <wannabe_proverbs31@...> wrote: It is amazing that those working in an office that does implants can say such things. They know the risks. My PS gave me a tiny little booklet stating all the FDA information that women considering saline-filled breast implants. I sitll have this booklet, let me read you word for word what it says about complications. Keep in mind this was in the year 2000 when this was given to me. "Autoimmune diseases. According to scientific studies, women with breast implants in general are not an increased risk for autoimmune or connective tissue disease. However, these studies are too small to detect whether there might be a slightly increased risk of any one of these rare diseases. Also, these current studies have looked only for the symptoms of known autoimmune diseases, rahter than the variety of

symptoms that some women report experiencing. Some of the reported symptoms include: Swelling and/or joint pain or arthritis-like pain: General aching Unusual hair loss Unexplained or unusual loss of energy Greater chance of getting colds, viruses, and flu Swollen glands or lymph nodes Rash Memory problems, headaches Muscle weakness or burning Nausea, vomiting Irritable bowel syndrome. Also, I would like to note, this booklet was given to me during my discharge process after I recieved my implants. The nurse "forgot" to get it to me at my pre-op appointment. I never read it untill I went into my basement to find my records about my implants when I realized it was the implants making me so sick. leyna1964 <leyna1964 > wrote: Ok, I just talked to that Dr. Wallace's nurse, .Again, I did not like her much.....she said that Silicone and Saline breast imlants do NOT cause problems....numerous recent studies have proven this, according to her.She assured me that my insurance will NOT pay. I told her that I talked to them and they said they would,but that I had to have a letter from my doctor, telling me that it is medically necessary to have them removed.She yapped at me some more about how they will not pay, and then she said that they would not do the surgery on me until I had a letter from my insurance, stating that they would pay for removal.She kept cutting into my questions when I tried to tell my "story" about how ill I've

been. She said that the implants could NOT be causing those problems, and that they still use Silicone implants themselves, and they are perfectly safe.On a good note, she said that they use General Anesthesia, and that the surgery is done in a "surgery center" rather than a hospital.She said that once I have that letter that states my insurance will pay for it, then it is normally an 8 to 12 week wait on the surgery.....:(I called Dr. Shanklin's office too...he was out, so I left a message and my number for him to call me back.I just called my Gyno back too. The nurse said that my hormones were perfectly fine, like I knew they would be. I expressed my concern about my implants, and she wrote down the information to tell the doctor that I want to get an MRI and she is going to ask him to help me find a surgeon. I told her that I would be leaving for work at 1:45, so I'm hoping I will hear from

her before then, but it's not likely.When I had to have my hysterectomy two years ago, this doctor was great about dealing with all that insurance stuff, so hopefully he can do the same in this situation.I can't deal with this headache and shoulder/neck pain much longer! Get your email and more, right on the new .com

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The only information it has is on the back cover. It states.... provided as a courtesy by McGhan 700 Ward Drive Santa Barbara, CA 93111 1-800-624-4261 1-805-683-6761 M501-B 7/95 1995 McGhan Medical Corporation Printed in U.S.A So this was printed by my implant's manufacturer. I wonder if they still print these out? Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...> wrote: Perhaps what we need to do is get copies of these booklets and take them with us to the doctors offices of every doctor we see, and point out that is says right there in black and white what we are experiencing. If the FDA has acknowledged that these are legitimate symptoms of illness that are being reported with implants, then doctors would be risking malpractice to tell us otherwise! Thanks ! Good job....do you have a publication address for these booklets? I wonder if they have been updated? Patty Lamse <wannabe_proverbs31 > wrote: It is amazing that those working in an office that does implants can say such things.

They know the risks. My PS gave me a tiny little booklet stating all the FDA information that women considering saline-filled breast implants. I sitll have this booklet, let me read you word for word what it says about complications. Keep in mind this was in the year 2000 when this was given to me. "Autoimmune diseases. According to scientific studies, women with breast implants in general are not an increased risk for autoimmune or connective tissue disease. However, these studies are too small to detect whether there might be a slightly increased risk of any one of these rare diseases. Also, these current studies have looked only for the symptoms of known autoimmune diseases, rahter than the variety of symptoms that some women report experiencing. Some of the reported symptoms include: Swelling and/or joint pain or arthritis-like pain: General aching Unusual hair loss Unexplained or unusual loss of energy Greater chance of getting colds, viruses, and flu Swollen glands or lymph nodes Rash Memory problems, headaches Muscle weakness or burning Nausea, vomiting Irritable bowel syndrome. Also, I would like to note, this booklet was given to me during my discharge process after I recieved my implants. The nurse "forgot" to get it to me at my pre-op appointment. I never read it untill I went into my basement to find my records about my implants when I realized it was the implants making me so sick. leyna1964 <leyna1964 > wrote: Ok, I just talked to that Dr. Wallace's nurse, .Again, I did not like her much.....she said that Silicone and Saline breast imlants do NOT cause problems....numerous recent studies have proven this, according to her.She assured me that my insurance will NOT pay. I told her that I talked to them and they said they would,but that I had to have a letter from my doctor, telling me that it is medically necessary to have them removed.She yapped at me some more about how they will not pay, and then she said that they would not do the surgery on me until I had a letter from my insurance, stating that they would pay for removal.She kept cutting into my questions when I tried to tell my "story" about how ill I've been. She said that the implants could NOT be causing those problems, and that they still use Silicone implants themselves, and they are perfectly safe.On a good note, she said

that they use General Anesthesia, and that the surgery is done in a "surgery center" rather than a hospital.She said that once I have that letter that states my insurance will pay for it, then it is normally an 8 to 12 week wait on the surgery.....:(I called Dr. Shanklin's office too...he was out, so I left a message and my number for him to call me back.I just called my Gyno back too. The nurse said that my hormones were perfectly fine, like I knew they would be. I expressed my concern about my implants, and she wrote down the information to tell the doctor that I want to get an MRI and she is going to ask him to help me find a surgeon. I told her that I would be leaving for work at 1:45, so I'm hoping I will hear from her before then, but it's not likely.When I had to have my hysterectomy two years ago, this doctor was great about dealing with all that insurance stuff, so hopefully he

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