Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Hi Bev, when I had hormone testing done, this is what was measured. testosterone estrone estriol estradiol progesterone and a comparative ratio of progesterone and estradiol (estradiol, being the most potent estrogen...the bulk of which is derives from the ovary) Interestingly, elevated progesterone...which I had, is said to be a result of adrenal hyperfunction. At the time I had these measured, they also tested DHEA, cortisol and melatonin. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 IMO this is a waste of time. You have multiple hormone deficiencies due to low adrenal function. A smart doc is worth more than all the tests. Gracia > Hi, > I would like to hear from the ladies that have had testing done for > estrogen dominance and or female hormone inbalances. What I would like > to know is what are the names of the tests that need to be done in > order to find out if that what going on with me. I would like to be > prepared when I go in for an appointment to ask for these tests.. > thanks so much > take care > Bev > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 HI , Thanks for your response and the taking the time to name all of these tests.. Do you know what kind of cortisol test they did..? thanks Bev > > Hi Bev, when I had hormone testing done, this is what was measured. > > testosterone > estrone > estriol > estradiol > progesterone > and a comparative ratio of progesterone and estradiol (estradiol, being the > most potent > estrogen...the bulk of which is derives from the ovary) > Interestingly, elevated progesterone...which I had, is said to be a result of > adrenal > hyperfunction. > At the time I had these measured, they also tested DHEA, cortisol and > melatonin. > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Graica, Unfortunately I have not found a doc. like that.. So I have to do all of the research myself.. Take care Bev > > > IMO this is a waste of time. You have multiple hormone deficiencies due to > low adrenal function. A smart doc is worth more than all the tests. > Gracia > > > > Hi, > > I would like to hear from the ladies that have had testing done for > > estrogen dominance and or female hormone inbalances. What I would like > > to know is what are the names of the tests that need to be done in > > order to find out if that what going on with me. I would like to be > > prepared when I go in for an appointment to ask for these tests.. > > thanks so much > > take care > > Bev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 They did salivary cortisol, measured throughout the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 After I had all of these hormone tests...I was still not told about the link between it and adrenal problems. It wasn't until two years later, that I put it all together myself. (did a lot of reading) I was given a small dose of thyroid hormone after the initial tests, but that was it. And this was after I had lost nearly 3/4 of my hair, and was sleeping for days. On the lab report, all of the hormones were " within the reference range " so nothing was really done... However, the hormones were all graphed on the report...and for all of them I was on the lowest edge of the graph. for example 0*...................10 my numbers were right up against the 0... to me that is not " normal " that would be low, or a problem. I still don't think that my main problem is thyroid function..I believe it is, and always has been adrenal. Not that my metabolism isnt suffering because of it now, but perhaps adrenal support would have done more for me three years ago, and I would not be where I am now. The only two hormones that were questionable were,...melatonin, and progesterone. They were both elevated. Still there was no discussion, or plan of any kind to resolve it. But, then again,...this is the same doctor who completely missed my hepatitis symtoms....so looking back, I'm not surprised. good luck to you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 thanks for the info. Do you take adrenal meds. now? If not, have you had the 24 hour urine test for cortisol? take care Bev > > After I had all of these hormone tests...I was still not told about the link > between it and adrenal problems. It wasn't until two years later, that I > put it all together myself. (did a lot of reading) > I was given a small dose of thyroid hormone after the initial tests, but > that was it. > And this was after I had lost nearly 3/4 of my hair, and was sleeping for > days. > On the lab report, all of the hormones were " within the reference range " > so nothing was really done... > However, the hormones were all graphed on the report...and for all of them > I was on the lowest edge of the graph. for example 0*...................10 > my numbers > were right up against the 0... to me that is not " normal " that would be low, > or > a problem. I still don't think that my main problem is thyroid function..I > believe > it is, and always has been adrenal. Not that my metabolism isnt suffering > because of it now, but perhaps adrenal support would have done more for me > three years ago, and I would not be where I am now. > The only two hormones that were questionable were,...melatonin, and > progesterone. > They were both elevated. Still there was no discussion, or plan of any kind > to > resolve it. > But, then again,...this is the same doctor who completely missed my hepatitis > symtoms....so looking back, I'm not surprised. > > good luck to you! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 I started treating myself about six months ago...I ordered some hydrocortone from an internet source, and added some DHEA. It seems to have made more of a difference than the Synthroid, which seems only to give me joint pain anymore. My energy levels are better, I have less edema, and my hair doesnt seem to fall out as easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 > > Just to make sure you all don't miss this important discussion! At least scroll down to the discussion of the causes of estrogen dominance: > http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/Estrogen_Dominance.cfm#6 > Estrogen Dominance > Estrogen and progesterone work in synchronization with each other as checks and balances to achieve hormonal harmony in both sexes. It is not the absolute deficiency of estrogen or progesterone but rather the relative dominance of estrogen and relative deficiency of progesterone that is main cause of health problems when they are off balance. > > While sex hormones such as estrogen and progesterone decline with age gradually, there is a drastic change in the rate of decline during the perimenopausal and menopausal years for the women in these two hormones as mentioned earlier. > From age 35 to 50, there is a 75% reduction in production of progesterone in the body. Estrogen, during the same period, only declines about 35%. By menopause, the total amount of progesterone made is extremely low, while estrogen is still present in the body at about half its pre-menopausal level. > > With the gradual drop in estrogen but severe drop in progesterone, there is insufficient progesterone to counteract the amount of estrogen in our body. This state is called estrogen dominance. Many women in their mid-thirties, most women during peri-menopause (mid- forties), and essentially all women during menopause (age 50 and beyond) are overloaded with estrogen and at the same time suffering from progesterone deficiency because of the severe drop in physiological production during this period. The end result - excessive estrogen relative to progesterone, a condition we called estrogen dominance. > According to Dr. Lee, the world's authority on natural hormone therapy, the key to hormonal balance is the modulation of progesterone to estrogen ratio. For optimum health, the progesterone to estrogen ratio should be between 200 and 300 to 1. > > > What is so bad about estrogen dominance? It is the root cause of a myriad of illnesses. Conditions associated with this include fibrocystic breast disease, PMS, uterine fibroids, breast cancer, endometriosis, infertility problem, endometrial polyps, PCOS, auto- immune disorders, low blood sugar problems, and menstrual pain, among many others. > Questions? Ask me. > > Estrogen Dominance in Pre-menopausal Women > > There are two periods in a women's life that her progesterone level is low - at puberty and again at peri-menopause ( the few years right before menopause). Between puberty and peri-menopause, the production of progesterone can go astray, leading to estrogen dominance as mentioned earlier. Between this period, estrogen dominance can also be the result of excessive external estrogen intake (from diet and environment) or internal estrogen production ( from obesity, birth control pills, or ovarian tumor). > > Two common causes are: > > A. Anovulation (lack of ovulation). Ovulation is the time of the month where an ovarian follicle releases an ovum (egg). Under normal condition, the released egg makes it way from the ovary to the uterus in preparation for fertilization. This usually happens from day 12 to day 14 of the menstrual cycle. After the egg is released, the empty follicle becomes the corpus luteum. This is the main factory where the production of progesterone takes place. > > When the follicles become dysfunctional, no eggs are released. This is called anovulation. If a woman is not ovulating, there would not be a corpus luteum and therefore no increased progesterone production. Laboratory measurement would show both a low estrogen and a low progesterone level. Many still have a seemingly normal menstrual cycle even if there is no ovulation. The lack of progesterone, however, leads to relative estrogen dominance and symptoms like PMS, mood swings, cramps, and tender breast. Anovulation is commonly caused by exposure of female embryos to environmental estrogen (also called xenobiotic or xenoestrogen) such as pesticides, plastic, and pollution. It is often related to a poor diet and stress. > > B. Luteal insufficiency. More frequent than anovulation, the egg is produced but the corpus luteum malfunctions. It just does not make enough progesterone. Laboratory measurements would show a high estrogen but low progesterone, and typical symptoms of estrogen dominance would arise. Without adequate progesterone, the chance of achieving pregnancy is reduced. Don't forget that progesterone is what keeps the womb going and it nourishes the fetus. > > > Estrogen Dominance in Menopausal Women > > The predominant reason why menopausal women developed estrogen dominance is because they are being prescribed unopposed estrogen such as Premarin as part of their hormone replacement therapy (HRT) program. Despite decades of research clearly showing that HRT significantly increased breast cancer, millions of women worldwide are on unopposed estrogen for treatment of menopausal symptoms. > > Obesity is another cause. During menopause, the amount of estrogen produced from the ovaries decreases, but not as drastic when it comes to another hormone that the ovaries produce called androstenedione (a male hormone). Fat cells can convert androstenedione into estrogen. The amount of conversion in some people is enough to maintain a reasonable estrogen level in the body well into the 70s. The result of excessive estrogen and absolute deficiency in progesterone is clear - estrogen dominance. > > We mentioned above our body is essentially soaked in a sea of estrogen. Where does the estrogen comes from? Let us take a closer look. > > Causes of Estrogen Dominance > > Our body normally functions in perfect homeostasis. With the advent of society and industrial state in the past 70 years, our body has been subjected to unprecedented insults from environmental estrogen-like hormones. In less than one hundred years, we have managed to turn our diet from whole fruits and whole food to fast and processed food. In the past, cattle were raised on grass and natural organic feed and chickens were allowed to run free. This is in stark contrast to the commercialization of cattle and poultry farms of today where animals are in cages most of the time. Worse yet, feeds laced with pesticides and hormones, both of which have estrogen-like activities, are routinely given to animals, which in turn is passed to humans. > > Women in non-industrialized cultures whose diets are whole food based and are untainted with modern processed foods and pesticides seldom suffer a deficiency in progesterone and the signs of estrogen dominance manifested as menopausal symptoms. > > 12 of the most common reasons: > > 1. Commercially raised cattle and poultry. These animals are fed estrogen-like hormones as well as growth hormone that are passed onto humans. It takes 60 pounds of grain, feed, and hay to produce one pound of edible beef. On the other hand, it only takes one pound of feed to produce one pound of edible fish. Deep-sea fish such as halibut, sardines, cod, and mackerel are good to consume. Young ones are often less contaminated than older fish, and smaller fish are better shielded from contamination than larger fish like sharks and swordfish. Avoid all coastal fish and shellfish, which are high in contaminants. Fish are far superior to beef or chicken in terms of hormone load. It is interesting to note that one-half of all antibiotics in the United States are used in livestock - 25 million pounds a year. These antibiotics can contribute to hormone disruptor exposure. The use of antibiotics is especially prevalent in poultry farms. It only takes 6 weeks now to grow a chicken > to full size (down from four months in 1940). Up to 80,000 birds may be packed into one warehouse. Feeds used contain a myriad of hormone-disrupting toxins including pesticides, antibiotics, and drugs to combat disease when so many animals are packed closely together. > > 2. Commercially grown fruits and vegetables containing pesticides. If you eat in any developed countries, you are taking in pesticides from fruits and vegetables, many of which are known hormone disruptors. Approximately 5 billion pounds of pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, and other biocides are being added to the world each year. In the past 100 years, several hundred billions pounds of pesticides have been released into the environment. Pesticides that are banned in the US, such as DDT, are being used in some other countries freely. Illegal pesticides are being used on crops that we eat everyday. It is estimated that a person eats illegal pesticides 75 times a year just by following USDA's recommendation of five servings of fruits and vegetables a day if these are purchased in regular supermarkets. Vegetables grown in developing foreign countries such as South America and Africa find their way back to our dinner table in this global community. Pesticide residues have > chemical structures that are similar to estrogen. These are eventually passed onto humans. Produce with the most pesticides reported in A Shopper's Guide to Pesticdes in Produce include strawberries (contain vinclozolin, a known endocrine disruptor), bell peppers, peaches, apples, apricots, and spinach. Foods with the least amount of pesticides include avocados, corn, onions, sweet potatoes, bananas, green onions, broccoli, and cauliflower. If you are eating non-organic fruits and vegetables, peel and wash them well with diluted vinegar. This will help to reduce pesticides on the surface. Needless to say, this will not help to rid of the pesticides inside. Discard the outer leaves of leafy vegetables, and trim fat from meat and skin from poultry and fish that tend to collect residues. > > 3. Exposure to xenoestrogen. When a female embryo develops in the womb, 500,000 to 800,000 follicles are created in the embryo, each enclosing an immature ovum. These fragile ovarian follicles are extremely sensitive to the toxicity of environmental pollutants. When the mother is exposed to toxic chemicals that resemble estrogen in its molecular structure, she may experience no apparent damage outwardly. However the baby is more vulnerable to these toxins that may damage its ovarian follicles and make them dysfunctional. This will not be apparent until the baby reaches puberty some 10 to 15 years later, when symptoms of incomplete ovulation or insufficient progesterone production can be noted. > > Petrochemical compounds found in general consumer products such as creams, lotions, soaps, shampoos, perfume, hair spray and room deodorizers. Such compounds often have chemical structures similar to estrogen and indeed act like estrogen. Other sources of xenoestrogen include car exhaust, petrochemically derived pesticides, herbicides, and fungicides; solvents and adhesives such as that those found in nail polish, paint removers, and glues; dry- cleaning chemicals; practically all plastics, industrial waste such as PCBs and dioxins, synthetic estrogens from urine of women taking HRT and birth control pills that is flushed down the toilet and eventually found its way into the food chain and back into the body. They are fat soluble and non-biodegradable. > > 4. Industrial solvents. A common source of industrial xenoestrogens often overlooked is a family of chemicals called solvents. These chemicals enter the body through the skin, and accumulated quickly in the lipid-rich tissues such as myelin (nerve sheath) and adipose (fat). Some common organic solvents include alcohol like methanol, aldehydes like acetaldehyde, glycol like ethylene glycol, and ketones like acetone. They are commonly found in cosmetics, fingernail polish and fingernail polish remover, glues, paints, varnishes, and other types of finishes, cleaning products, carpet, fiberboard, and other processed woods. Pesticides and herbicides such as lawn and garden sprays, indoor insect sprays are also sources of minute amounts of xenoestrogens. While the amount may be small in each, the additive effect from years of chronic exposure can lead to estrogen dominance. > > 5. Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT). HRT with estrogen alone without sufficient opposing progesterone such as the drug Premarin should be banned. This increases the level of estrogen in the body. Premarin, a estrogen only drug commonly used in the past 40 years, is the mainstay of estrogen replacement therapy (ERT). It is a patented, chemicalized hormonal substitute that is not the same as what you have in your body. It contains 48% estrone and only a small amount of progesterone which is insufficient to have an opposing effect. The indiscriminate and over-prescription of Premarin to many who may not need it is the problem. Symptoms include water retention, breast swelling, fibrocysts in the breast, depression, headache, gallbladder problems, and heavy period. The excessive estrogen from ERT also lead to increased chances of DNA damage, setting a stage for endometrial and breast cancer. > > 6. Over production of estrogen. Excessive estrogen can arise from ovarian cysts or tumors. > > 7. Stress. Stress causes adrenal gland exhaustion and reduced progesterone output. This tilts the estrogen to progesterone ratios in favor of estrogen. Excessive estrogen in turn causes insomnia and anxiety, which further taxes the adrenal gland. This leads to a further reduction in progesterone output and even more estrogen dominance. After a few years in this type of vicious cycle, the adrenal glands become exhausted. This dysfunction leads to blood sugar imbalance, hormonal imbalances, and chronic fatigue. > > 8. Obesity. Fat has an enzyme that converts adrenal steroids to estrogen. The higher the fat intake, the higher the conversion of fat to estrogen. Overeating is the norm in developed countries. A population from such countries, especially in the Western hemisphere where a large part of the dietary calorie is derived from fat, has a much higher incidence of menopausal symptoms. Studies have shown that estrogen and progesterone levels fell in women who switched from a typical high-fat, refined-carbohydrate diet to a low-fat, high-fiber and plant-based diet even though they did not adjust their total calorie intake. Plants contain over 5,000 known sterols that have progestogenic effects. People who eat more wholesome foods have a far lower incidence of menopausal symptoms because their pre- and post-menopause levels of estrogen do not drop as significantly. > > 9. Liver diseases. Liver diseases such as cirrhosis from excessive alcohol intake reduce the breakdown of estrogen. Taking drugs that can impair liver function may also contribute to a higher level of estrogen. > > 10. Deficiency of Vitamin B6 and Magnesium. Both of these are necessary for the neutralization of estrogen in the liver. Too much estrogen also tends to create deficiency of zinc, magnesium and the B vitamins. These are all important constituents of hormonal balance. > > 11. Increased sugar, fast food and processed food. Intake of these leads to a depletion of magnesium. > > 12. Increase in coffee consumption. Caffeine intake from all sources was linked with higher estrogen levels regardless of age, body mass index (BMI), caloric intake, smoking, alcohol, and cholesterol intake. Studies have shown that women who consumed at least 500 milligrams of caffeine daily, the equivalent of four or five cups of coffee, had nearly 70% more estrogen during the early follicular phase than women who consume no more than 100 mg of caffeine daily, or less than one cup of coffee. Tea is not much better as it contains about half the amount of caffeine as compared to coffee. The exception is herbal tea like chamomile which contains no caffeine. > > In absolute terms, those who live in the developed world are bathed in a continuous sea of estrogen and do not know it. Yes, we all have hormonal imbalances, and specifically - estrogen dominance. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 , Growth hormone output falls with age and drags around other homone values as it's doing so. When HGH is maintained at a younger level for awhile the other hormones fall back into line with youthfulness. This is part of an anti-aging program that makes one 10-20 years biologically younger, without using hormone treatment but amino acids. Reflux can occur when your stomach acidity isn't acid enough. This results in poor digestion and bowel dysbiosis, which alters thyroid and adrenal output by imposing malnutrition and toxin load. As your anti-aging/candida program continues your toxin load will drop and you thyroid and adrenals may recover the correct output. This is helped especially with SomaLife gHP, which will assist in rebuilding these glands, other glands, organs and the rest of your tissues. Size and function of heart, kidney, bone and cartilage and all that. Duncan > > Intake of adrenal grandular for 10 days 1.4 of cap only helped me to feel more calm and not too tired but it cause more reflux too as well as thiroid supplement.I realised how sensitive I am to hormones. > > I notised that I also have reaction to phytoestrogens bc I am estrogen dominant and even one pills of estrogen made me sick with nausea in the past. Most foods with estrogen in my list of food intolerances. Now I am on low estrogen diet bc intake of progesterone for month didn`t helped me at all. > I wonder if you know how to help with such problem without hormones. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Make sure you eliminate all sources of xenoestrogens. BPA in unsafe plastics and lined canned foods, parabens in personal care products and foods you eat, non-organic beefs and milks, etc. Is your adrenal grandular from a organic bovine source? On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 12:53 PM, imsinfo <imsinfo@...> wrote: > Intake of adrenal grandular for 10 days 1.4 of cap only helped me to feel > more calm and not too tired but it cause more reflux too as well as thiroid > supplement.I realised how sensitive I am to hormones. > > I notised that I also have reaction to phytoestrogens bc I am estrogen > dominant and even one pills of estrogen made me sick with nausea in the > past. Most foods with estrogen in my list of food intolerances. Now I am on > low estrogen diet bc intake of progesterone for month didn`t helped me at > all. > I wonder if you know how to help with such problem without hormones. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Also as a woman loses weight the estrogen dominance won't be as pronounced, as fat cells produce estrogen. Bringing up other hormonal values that have dropped with age is about balancing, as much as absolute, estrogen levels. This is where an anti-aging program shines My wife Jo is estrogen dominant so we used SomaLife gHP, to balance or make more youthful the rest of her hormone levels as her HGH release is maintained at a youthful level, and 25 mg pregnenolone, which should balance her testosterone:estrogen:progesterone ratios. Duncan Duncan > > > Intake of adrenal grandular for 10 days 1.4 of cap only helped me to feel > > more calm and not too tired but it cause more reflux too as well as thiroid > > supplement.I realised how sensitive I am to hormones. > > > > I notised that I also have reaction to phytoestrogens bc I am estrogen > > dominant and even one pills of estrogen made me sick with nausea in the > > past. Most foods with estrogen in my list of food intolerances. Now I am on > > low estrogen diet bc intake of progesterone for month didn`t helped me at > > all. > > I wonder if you know how to help with such problem without hormones. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 I thought fat cells stored estrogen, and as you lose weight the estrogen gets released and causes more free-flowing estrogen in the body. Did I learn wrong? On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote: > Also as a woman loses weight the estrogen dominance won't be as pronounced, > as fat cells produce estrogen. > > Bringing up other hormonal values that have dropped with age is about > balancing, as much as absolute, estrogen levels. This is where an anti-aging > program shines > > My wife Jo is estrogen dominant so we used SomaLife gHP, to balance or make > more youthful the rest of her hormone levels as her HGH release is > maintained at a youthful level, and 25 mg pregnenolone, which should balance > her testosterone:estrogen:progesterone ratios. > > Duncan > > > > Duncan > > > > > > > Intake of adrenal grandular for 10 days 1.4 of cap only helped me to > feel > > > more calm and not too tired but it cause more reflux too as well as > thiroid > > > supplement.I realised how sensitive I am to hormones. > > > > > > I notised that I also have reaction to phytoestrogens bc I am estrogen > > > dominant and even one pills of estrogen made me sick with nausea in the > > > past. Most foods with estrogen in my list of food intolerances. Now I > am on > > > low estrogen diet bc intake of progesterone for month didn`t helped me > at > > > all. > > > I wonder if you know how to help with such problem without hormones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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