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In a message dated 10/22/00 6:39:57 PM, JDINEEN103@... writes:

<< I TRIED WEARING MAGNETS FOR MONTHS AND THEY DID NOTHING FOR ME EXCEPT COST

ME 50 DOLLARS. >>

If they work it's probably due to the panacea effect. I have nothing against

that, but if you don't want to waste the money it's something to consider.

Selling things with magnets is big business at this time - but there is NO

proof they do a thing for us.

We don't have the right type of iron in our bodies/blood to attract a magnet,

nor is there enough iron (even if it was the right type).

Lamar wrote a comprehensive post about the medical use of magnets. If he

doesn't have it, I do. Let me know if you'd like to have me post it here.

Excerpt from another source:

In 1997, the FDA warned Magnetherapy to stop claiming that its products would

relieve arthritis; tennis elbow; low back pain; sciatica; migraine headache;

muscle soreness; neck, knee, ankle, and shoulder pain; heel spurs; bunions;

arthritic fingers and toes; and could reduce pain and inflammation in the

affected areas by increasing blood and oxygen flow. In 1998, Magnetherapy

signed an Assurance of Voluntary Compliance with the State of Texas to pay a

$30,000 penalty and to stop claiming that wearing its magnetic device near

areas of pain and inflammation will relieve pain due to arthritis, migraine

headaches, sciatica or heel spurs. The agreement also required Magnetherapy

to stop making claims that its magnets can cure, treat, or mitigate any

disease or can affect any change in the human body, unless its devices are

FDA-approved for those purposes. Ads for the company's Tectonic Magnets had

featured testimonials from athletes, including golfers from the senior pro

tours. Various ads had claimed that Tectonic Magnets would provide

symptomatic relief from certain painful conditions and could restore range of

motion to muscles and joints. The company had provided retailers with display

packages that included health claims, written testimonials, and posters of

sports stars.

There research reports on magnets for pain relief are far too skimpy to

demonstrate that they are effective. In fact, static magnetic fields strong

enough to bend steel bars have no measurable effect on the human body. Magnet

and fusion researchers are exposed to fields that strong -- much stronger

than those of magnetic insoles -- without becoming either more or less

healthful.

Kat

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In a message dated 10/22/00 4:35:53 PM, Buchie54@... writes:

<< I got up 2 hours later to go to the bathroom and the pain was totally

gone. >>

I'm a strong believer in a person doing whatever works, rational or not.

Our bodies are mysterious sometimes.

Kat

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ok, here's a question for all of you. My BIL took me to a seminar last night

on holistic use of magnets. there was a women there who had both hips

replacedbecause of OA. She said even with that she has only been pain free

for over three years because of the magnets. Three years ago is when she

started wearing and sleeping on these magnet products. So....has anyone here

heard of this or tried them??? She also told me that she has not taken any

meds for her OA in 3 years also. Let me know your thoughts.

Barb in CA

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Barb,

Judith Horstman is the author of " The Arthritis Foundation's Guide to

Alternative Therapies. "

She is also a contributing editor for " Arthritis Today " magazine.

Here is what she says about magnets:

http://www.arthritis.com/tools/expert/expert_horstman_02.html

I'm skeptical about magnets as a treatment for any form of arthritis pain,

but you can decide for yourself. She closes the essay with " Remember --

magnets might not take away your pain, but they can erase credit cards,

videotapes, and computer disks and drives. " This warning always comes to my

mind when I hear talk about magnet therapy. I could never use them for fear

of wiping out my precious computer data!

----- Original Message -----

From: " Kendall " <bbkendall@...>

< >

Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 8:35 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] magnets

>

> ok, here's a question for all of you. My BIL took me to a seminar last

night

> on holistic use of magnets. there was a women there who had both hips

> replacedbecause of OA. She said even with that she has only been pain free

> for over three years because of the magnets. Three years ago is when she

> started wearing and sleeping on these magnet products. So....has anyone

here

> heard of this or tried them??? She also told me that she has not taken any

> meds for her OA in 3 years also. Let me know your thoughts.

> Barb in CA

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I used magnetic innersoles for awhile and they did nothing for me.

Elly

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From: Kendall <bbkendall@...>

< >

Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 6:35 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] magnets

>

> ok, here's a question for all of you. My BIL took me to a seminar last

night

> on holistic use of magnets. there was a women there who had both hips

> replacedbecause of OA. She said even with that she has only been pain free

> for over three years because of the magnets. Three years ago is when she

> started wearing and sleeping on these magnet products. So....has anyone

here

> heard of this or tried them??? She also told me that she has not taken any

> meds for her OA in 3 years also. Let me know your thoughts.

> Barb in CA

>

>

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Dale wrote the following in Digest Number 959:

>I'll just tell you a bit about magnets, and that's simply that a lot of

>testing has been done to show that they do in fact work. The reason they

>work is because of what is known as the Hall effect. This is an electrical

>situation where something will heat up because of the changing polarities of

>magnetic fields. In the case of magnets they would need to be a multiple of

>North and South in an area to accomplish this with the blood supply as it

>passes from one point to another. Some manufacturer have multiple rings of

>magnets so that the blood supply cutting across a path will be influenced by

>the negative and positive polarities, others have small squares of north and

>south bundled together.

Just a little background. The Hall Effect refers to the development of a

transverse electric field in a solid material when it carries an electric

current and is placed in a magnetic field perpendicular to the direction of

the current. This phenomenon, BTW, was discovered in 1879 by a U.S.

physicist named Edwin Herbert Hall. The electric field (or Hall field) is a

result of the force that the magnetic field exerts on the moving positive or

negative particles that constitute the electric current.

The Hall voltage that develops across a conductor is directly proportional

to the current, to the magnetic field, and to the nature of the particular

conducting material itself; the Hall voltage is inversely proportional to

the thickness of the material in the direction of the magnetic field.

Because various materials have different Hall coefficients, they develop

different Hall voltages under the same conditions of size, electric current,

and magnetic field. Hall coefficients can be determined experimentally and

vary with temperature.

Having established quantitatively how the Hall voltage is determined, I ask

Dale the following, based on his statement that " and that's simply that a

lot of testing has been done to show that they do in fact work. "

Dale, can you supply references to published works that show that magnets do

indeed work? What work do they accomplish? What magnetic intensities,

currents and voltages are used to make them work? What are the minimum and

maximum values that have been shown to be effective and at the same time safe?

>The reason they work is because of what is known as the Hall effect. This is

>an electrical situation where something will heat up because of the changing

>polarities of magnetic fields.

I don't think that this is the Hall effect at all, nor do I understand

exactly what you're getting at. How do the polarities of permanent magnets

change? Are you thinking of electromagnets connected to an alternating

current source? If so, how does that relate to the proposed cure using

permanent magnets?

>In the case of magnets they would need to be a multiple of North and South

>in an area to accomplish this with the blood supply as it passes from one

>point to another.

What does this mean? What is a multiple of North and South?

>I could also get into explaining why it is that the national electrical code

>requires a wire from each phase of a transformer to be in each conduit of a

>multi conduit system. It is because of the vary reason of the Hall effect

>that this requirement is in the code. If each phase of a system was in one

>individual conduit there is a tremendous heat build up at the junction of an

>electrical box. It really is quite an amazing phenomena.

I am not familiar with this fact, but in any event you are talking about

currents of a magnitude that could kill all members of the gallstones group

in one swell foop!

>I used magnets for my liver condition and can't find any reason not to do so

>other than cost.

What effect did they have, and how did you verify it?

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IRA L. JACOBSON

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Dale,

You're right. I don't want to wire my house or need such detailed

explanations about electrical currents. How about for the layman, in

English? haha

When you reduced the gb colic pain with magnets, how did you apply

them? At the time of attack? Daily? And what strenght magnets did you

use? Where did you place them? One behind the back and one over the

gb? Please tell me (us) how you applied them to get relief. Do you

think they reduced the size of your gallstones?

Thanks,

Barry.

> <<<<<Dale wrote the following in Digest Number 959:

>

> >I'll just tell you a bit about magnets, and that's simply that a

lot of

> >testing has been done to show that they do in fact work. The

reason they

> >work is because of what is known as the Hall effect. This is an

electrical

> >situation where something will heat up because of the changing

polarities

> of

> >magnetic fields. In the case of magnets they would need to be a

multiple of

> >North and South in an area to accomplish this with the blood

supply as it

> >passes from one point to another. Some manufacturer have multiple

rings of

> >magnets so that the blood supply cutting across a path will be

influenced

> by

> >the negative and positive polarities, others have small squares of

north

> and

> >south bundled together.

>

> Just a little background. The Hall Effect refers to the

development of a

> transverse electric field in a solid material when it carries an

electric

> current and is placed in a magnetic field perpendicular to the

direction of

> the current. This phenomenon, BTW, was discovered in 1879 by a U.S.

> physicist named Edwin Herbert Hall. The electric field (or Hall

field) is a

> result of the force that the magnetic field exerts on the moving

positive or

> negative particles that constitute the electric current.

>

> The Hall voltage that develops across a conductor is directly

proportional

> to the current, to the magnetic field, and to the nature of the

particular

> conducting material itself; the Hall voltage is inversely

proportional to

> the thickness of the material in the direction of the magnetic

field.

> Because various materials have different Hall coefficients, they

develop

> different Hall voltages under the same conditions of size, electric

current,

> and magnetic field. Hall coefficients can be determined

experimentally and

> vary with temperature.

>

> Having established quantitatively how the Hall voltage is

determined, I ask

> Dale the following, based on his statement that " and that's simply

that a

> lot of testing has been done to show that they do in fact work. "

>

> Dale, can you supply references to published works that show that

magnets do

> indeed work? What work do they accomplish? What magnetic

intensities,

> currents and voltages are used to make them work? What are the

minimum and

> maximum values that have been shown to be effective and at the same

time

> safe?

>

> >The reason they work is because of what is known as the Hall

effect. This

> is

> >an electrical situation where something will heat up because of the

> changing

> >polarities of magnetic fields.

>

> I don't think that this is the Hall effect at all, nor do I

understand

> exactly what you're getting at. How do the polarities of permanent

magnets

> change? Are you thinking of electromagnets connected to an

alternating

> current source? If so, how does that relate to the proposed cure

using

> permanent magnets?

>

> >In the case of magnets they would need to be a multiple of North

and South

> >in an area to accomplish this with the blood supply as it passes

from one

> >point to another.

>

> What does this mean? What is a multiple of North and South?

>

> >I could also get into explaining why it is that the national

electrical

> code

> >requires a wire from each phase of a transformer to be in each

conduit of

> a

> >multi conduit system. It is because of the vary reason of the Hall

effect

> >that this requirement is in the code. If each phase of a system

was in one

> >individual conduit there is a tremendous heat build up at the

junction of

> an

> >electrical box. It really is quite an amazing phenomena.

>

> I am not familiar with this fact, but in any event you are talking

about

> currents of a magnitude that could kill all members of the

gallstones group

> in one swell foop!

>

> >I used magnets for my liver condition and can't find any reason

not to do

> so

> >other than cost.

>

> What effect did they have, and how did you verify it? >>>>.

>

> Ira;

>

> Sorry that I can't give you as much information at this time as you

would

> have liked, but I've put an email out to someone whom I hope will

be able to

> provide you and me more detailed information, and some studies that

have

> been done regarding magnetic therapies. I can certainly appreciate

your

> engineering background but for the purpose of this group I was

purely

> attempting to keep it simple as I'm not an electrical engineer, and

haven't

> had to deal with this effect other than running conduit and knowing

about

> the primary effect of the Hall effect on electrical equipment, and

> especially at the points where the conduit or wire enter an

electrical

> cabinet.

>

> As you are aware the passage of material across a magnetic field

will have a

> voltage induced no mater what the materials composition as long as

it is

> conductive in some matter. The effect will often be in the low

gauss but

> it's there non the less. As you know the Hall effect occurs because

of the

> up and down or back and forth field cutting across a conductive

material.

> It's inductance it proportional to the current being drawn. Bob

Beck's

> zapper or black box is an example of the use of a reversing

polarity to

> induce a voltage into the blood to help in killing off parasites,

where

> magnets just work at a much lower intensity. Magnetic therapies for

physical

> purposes relies on the flow of blood and lymph throughout the areas

of the

> body. The passage of the blood from one polarity to another is the

change to

> its polarity and therefore the heating effect it receives as an

individual

> cell.

>

> In the past, regarding the electrical trade, wiring was done in

such a way

> that was known as Knob & Tube. This was for all practical purposes

a very

> safe method excepting the lack of knowledge by some installers or

home

> owners in dealing with its installation and maintenance. This

method however

> had one major drawback in that the wire could actually end-up

acting like a

> coil in a heater if the current passing through it was too much for

the size

> of the wire. They found that by keeping wires of a circuit close

together

> the passing fields would oppose and reduce the heating effect of the

> alternating current. That's the reason why we have romex wire today

and the

> code requirement for circuits of a phase to have the neutral in the

same

> conduit run. This is also the reason for three way circuits being

required

> to have the three conductor wire instead of just using a two

conductor cable

> to transpose the conducting wire so that a switch at two locations

of a room

> could control one light or circuit. It is also the reason why the

wiring for

> a phase or multi wire circuit is suppose to enter in the same

opening into

> a cabinet.

>

> Many houses were wired just using two conductor romex for

everything,

> including the three way lighting ciruits as K & T was phasing out.

A wire

> would be run from one box to another and then up to the fixture.

The wire

> would get its hot wire from one location and then feed up to a

fixture with

> a neutral wire having been picked up at another location, and

possibly from

> a different circuit run which could then overload a neutral

conductor. The

> problem with this method was that the load could cause a wire to

overheat

> and breakdown the insulation causing a potential fire hazard

because unlike

> K & T the wiring is stapled directly to wood members of a house

instead of

> being held away from, or protected from touching any wood surface,

to reduce

> the potential of a fire even if it did turn into a heating element

from the

> draw of current. Running the wire with the to and fro in close

proximately

> of it would not let the wire turn into a heating element as

readily. This is

> the reason why the electrical code requires parallel or even multi

wire

> circuits to be in close proximity.

>

> As regards the currents that could kill the whole of this group in

one fell

> swoop, you're right! It's these types of power levels with which

the utility

> companies have to deal. But, none the less, even at the lower

voltages there

> can be problems with the hall effect on electrial equipment, and

therefore

> the varilous requirements for its installation. Power being

supplied to a

> large building certainly can get a strong field going between the

box

> connections from were one phase would enter and have the others

adjacent to

> it. That's why there is the requirement for paralleled feeders to

equate to

> one wire in multiple conduits to have a wire from each phase in each

> conduit, and then be connected in the panel to make up as one

connductor.

>

> This is certainly far more than I would have wanted to have to get

into

> regarding the use of magnets on this group because I don't believe

most

> people here are going to have a clue as to what you and I are

talking about.

> You and I could sit down at table with a glass of wine or a few

bottles of

> beer and could then discuss with impunity this subject, but as to

how it

> worked for me it simply reduced the level of my pain. It did it a

number of

> times to where I didn't bother taking any pain medication for my

gallbladder

> or liver attacks and I use it toay for my knees and back pain when

those

> tend to hurt. This isn't something that can be anything more than

antidotal

> at this time regarding me and my use of magnets. I do however hope

to

> acquire the more in-depth information of which you are seeking to

satisfy

> your engineering requirements. However for the time being I'll just

direct

> everyone here to some websites with some pertinent information;

>

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/g2603/0005/2603000504/p1/article.jh

tml

> http://www.heartlandhealing.com/pages/archive/magnets/

>

http://www.indiangyan.com/books/magnetbooks/magnetic_cure/index.shtml

>

> Dale

>

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Thanks Dale,

Do you use two magnets? One on top of the liver and one under the

back,

or only one on top?

I've heard the flow can reduce stone size but over a long period of

time. Also assisting the magnets with drinking water that is

magnetized.

I think Antigall or GCG or something would be easier and over the

same amount of time or less.

Thanks again.

Barry.

>

>

> > Dale,

> >

> > You're right. I don't want to wire my house or need such detailed

> > explanations about electrical currents. How about for the layman,

in

> > English? haha

> >

> > When you reduced the gb colic pain with magnets, how did you apply

> > them? At the time of attack? Daily? And what strenght magnets did

you

> > use? Where did you place them? One behind the back and one over

the

> > gb? Please tell me (us) how you applied them to get relief. Do you

> > think they reduced the size of your gallstones?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Barry.

>

>

> The way I used them was to just put it over the area of the liver.

I didn't

> think about it at the time but I probably could have just laid it

under the

> right side of my back. Although I don't like to advertise just what

brand of

> products I use I have the Nikken magnets and they are designed so

as to have

> small, around 5 mm squares, of magnets placed together as a pad.

This then

> allows the blood to pass numerous north and south points. It really

is so

> easy to do that it just isn't as complicated as one may want to

make it.

>

> As to reducing the size of the stones, I doubt it. It just works on

the

> nerve centers and the blood supply to help in relieving the pain

associated

> with a gallbladder or liver attack. I just feel fortunate to have

had them

> along with some of the other tools I used to eventually rid myself

of

> gallstones, for the time being. I have passed more stones with my

colonic

> flushes so I really haven't been as good a boy as I should have

been. But,

> hey, it's really nice to be able to enjoy some of the foods I'd

gone two

> years without eating to keep things in check.

>

> I haven't given in totally to the desire for fatty foods. I still

maintain

> my efforts at keeping my wits about me when shopping or eating at a

> restaurant.

>

> Dale

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I think this is true...and, it is the polarity that is of greatest

importance. And, if you get it wrong you can make matters worse.

Apparently, when we pay out the nose for health magnets

part of it is so that someone is figuring out the polarity and

indicating it on the product...the rest is greed. :-P :-) I once

got the instructions on how to figure out the polarity but it seemed

so complicated and undoable for me that I didn't even save them...

maybe I was just having brain fog...duh..

The ones that help my pain (localized) are neodymium...I think it's

just that they are stronger than ordinary. Ceramic never did

anything for me...but we're all different.

Kit

> As far as I know a magnet is a magnet is a magnet. There are ceramic

and metal ones, round and long. But it is the polarization of energy

that makes it work.

> Gayla

> Always Enough Ranch

>

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