Guest guest Posted October 22, 2000 Report Share Posted October 22, 2000 I TRIED WEARING MAGNETS FOR MONTHS AND THEY DID NOTHING FOR ME EXCEPT COST ME 50 DOLLARS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2000 Report Share Posted October 22, 2000 In a message dated 10/22/00 6:39:57 PM, JDINEEN103@... writes: << I TRIED WEARING MAGNETS FOR MONTHS AND THEY DID NOTHING FOR ME EXCEPT COST ME 50 DOLLARS. >> If they work it's probably due to the panacea effect. I have nothing against that, but if you don't want to waste the money it's something to consider. Selling things with magnets is big business at this time - but there is NO proof they do a thing for us. We don't have the right type of iron in our bodies/blood to attract a magnet, nor is there enough iron (even if it was the right type). Lamar wrote a comprehensive post about the medical use of magnets. If he doesn't have it, I do. Let me know if you'd like to have me post it here. Excerpt from another source: In 1997, the FDA warned Magnetherapy to stop claiming that its products would relieve arthritis; tennis elbow; low back pain; sciatica; migraine headache; muscle soreness; neck, knee, ankle, and shoulder pain; heel spurs; bunions; arthritic fingers and toes; and could reduce pain and inflammation in the affected areas by increasing blood and oxygen flow. In 1998, Magnetherapy signed an Assurance of Voluntary Compliance with the State of Texas to pay a $30,000 penalty and to stop claiming that wearing its magnetic device near areas of pain and inflammation will relieve pain due to arthritis, migraine headaches, sciatica or heel spurs. The agreement also required Magnetherapy to stop making claims that its magnets can cure, treat, or mitigate any disease or can affect any change in the human body, unless its devices are FDA-approved for those purposes. Ads for the company's Tectonic Magnets had featured testimonials from athletes, including golfers from the senior pro tours. Various ads had claimed that Tectonic Magnets would provide symptomatic relief from certain painful conditions and could restore range of motion to muscles and joints. The company had provided retailers with display packages that included health claims, written testimonials, and posters of sports stars. There research reports on magnets for pain relief are far too skimpy to demonstrate that they are effective. In fact, static magnetic fields strong enough to bend steel bars have no measurable effect on the human body. Magnet and fusion researchers are exposed to fields that strong -- much stronger than those of magnetic insoles -- without becoming either more or less healthful. Kat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2000 Report Share Posted October 23, 2000 In a message dated 10/22/00 4:35:53 PM, Buchie54@... writes: << I got up 2 hours later to go to the bathroom and the pain was totally gone. >> I'm a strong believer in a person doing whatever works, rational or not. Our bodies are mysterious sometimes. Kat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 ok, here's a question for all of you. My BIL took me to a seminar last night on holistic use of magnets. there was a women there who had both hips replacedbecause of OA. She said even with that she has only been pain free for over three years because of the magnets. Three years ago is when she started wearing and sleeping on these magnet products. So....has anyone here heard of this or tried them??? She also told me that she has not taken any meds for her OA in 3 years also. Let me know your thoughts. Barb in CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 i wore some magnets before with my carpal tunnel. did nothing for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 Barb, Judith Horstman is the author of " The Arthritis Foundation's Guide to Alternative Therapies. " She is also a contributing editor for " Arthritis Today " magazine. Here is what she says about magnets: http://www.arthritis.com/tools/expert/expert_horstman_02.html I'm skeptical about magnets as a treatment for any form of arthritis pain, but you can decide for yourself. She closes the essay with " Remember -- magnets might not take away your pain, but they can erase credit cards, videotapes, and computer disks and drives. " This warning always comes to my mind when I hear talk about magnet therapy. I could never use them for fear of wiping out my precious computer data! ----- Original Message ----- From: " Kendall " <bbkendall@...> < > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [ ] magnets > > ok, here's a question for all of you. My BIL took me to a seminar last night > on holistic use of magnets. there was a women there who had both hips > replacedbecause of OA. She said even with that she has only been pain free > for over three years because of the magnets. Three years ago is when she > started wearing and sleeping on these magnet products. So....has anyone here > heard of this or tried them??? She also told me that she has not taken any > meds for her OA in 3 years also. Let me know your thoughts. > Barb in CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 I used magnetic innersoles for awhile and they did nothing for me. Elly ----- Original Message ----- From: Kendall <bbkendall@...> < > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 6:35 AM Subject: Re: [ ] magnets > > ok, here's a question for all of you. My BIL took me to a seminar last night > on holistic use of magnets. there was a women there who had both hips > replacedbecause of OA. She said even with that she has only been pain free > for over three years because of the magnets. Three years ago is when she > started wearing and sleeping on these magnet products. So....has anyone here > heard of this or tried them??? She also told me that she has not taken any > meds for her OA in 3 years also. Let me know your thoughts. > Barb in CA > > > > Chat room: chat/ > Web pages for our group: http://rheumatoid.arthritis.freehosting.net/ > http://www.rasupport.webprovider.com/ > Change subscription options: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2002 Report Share Posted February 7, 2002 Dale wrote the following in Digest Number 959: >I'll just tell you a bit about magnets, and that's simply that a lot of >testing has been done to show that they do in fact work. The reason they >work is because of what is known as the Hall effect. This is an electrical >situation where something will heat up because of the changing polarities of >magnetic fields. In the case of magnets they would need to be a multiple of >North and South in an area to accomplish this with the blood supply as it >passes from one point to another. Some manufacturer have multiple rings of >magnets so that the blood supply cutting across a path will be influenced by >the negative and positive polarities, others have small squares of north and >south bundled together. Just a little background. The Hall Effect refers to the development of a transverse electric field in a solid material when it carries an electric current and is placed in a magnetic field perpendicular to the direction of the current. This phenomenon, BTW, was discovered in 1879 by a U.S. physicist named Edwin Herbert Hall. The electric field (or Hall field) is a result of the force that the magnetic field exerts on the moving positive or negative particles that constitute the electric current. The Hall voltage that develops across a conductor is directly proportional to the current, to the magnetic field, and to the nature of the particular conducting material itself; the Hall voltage is inversely proportional to the thickness of the material in the direction of the magnetic field. Because various materials have different Hall coefficients, they develop different Hall voltages under the same conditions of size, electric current, and magnetic field. Hall coefficients can be determined experimentally and vary with temperature. Having established quantitatively how the Hall voltage is determined, I ask Dale the following, based on his statement that " and that's simply that a lot of testing has been done to show that they do in fact work. " Dale, can you supply references to published works that show that magnets do indeed work? What work do they accomplish? What magnetic intensities, currents and voltages are used to make them work? What are the minimum and maximum values that have been shown to be effective and at the same time safe? >The reason they work is because of what is known as the Hall effect. This is >an electrical situation where something will heat up because of the changing >polarities of magnetic fields. I don't think that this is the Hall effect at all, nor do I understand exactly what you're getting at. How do the polarities of permanent magnets change? Are you thinking of electromagnets connected to an alternating current source? If so, how does that relate to the proposed cure using permanent magnets? >In the case of magnets they would need to be a multiple of North and South >in an area to accomplish this with the blood supply as it passes from one >point to another. What does this mean? What is a multiple of North and South? >I could also get into explaining why it is that the national electrical code >requires a wire from each phase of a transformer to be in each conduit of a >multi conduit system. It is because of the vary reason of the Hall effect >that this requirement is in the code. If each phase of a system was in one >individual conduit there is a tremendous heat build up at the junction of an >electrical box. It really is quite an amazing phenomena. I am not familiar with this fact, but in any event you are talking about currents of a magnitude that could kill all members of the gallstones group in one swell foop! >I used magnets for my liver condition and can't find any reason not to do so >other than cost. What effect did they have, and how did you verify it? ----------------------- IRA L. JACOBSON ----------------------- mailto:laser@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2002 Report Share Posted February 8, 2002 Dale, You're right. I don't want to wire my house or need such detailed explanations about electrical currents. How about for the layman, in English? haha When you reduced the gb colic pain with magnets, how did you apply them? At the time of attack? Daily? And what strenght magnets did you use? Where did you place them? One behind the back and one over the gb? Please tell me (us) how you applied them to get relief. Do you think they reduced the size of your gallstones? Thanks, Barry. > <<<<<Dale wrote the following in Digest Number 959: > > >I'll just tell you a bit about magnets, and that's simply that a lot of > >testing has been done to show that they do in fact work. The reason they > >work is because of what is known as the Hall effect. This is an electrical > >situation where something will heat up because of the changing polarities > of > >magnetic fields. In the case of magnets they would need to be a multiple of > >North and South in an area to accomplish this with the blood supply as it > >passes from one point to another. Some manufacturer have multiple rings of > >magnets so that the blood supply cutting across a path will be influenced > by > >the negative and positive polarities, others have small squares of north > and > >south bundled together. > > Just a little background. The Hall Effect refers to the development of a > transverse electric field in a solid material when it carries an electric > current and is placed in a magnetic field perpendicular to the direction of > the current. This phenomenon, BTW, was discovered in 1879 by a U.S. > physicist named Edwin Herbert Hall. The electric field (or Hall field) is a > result of the force that the magnetic field exerts on the moving positive or > negative particles that constitute the electric current. > > The Hall voltage that develops across a conductor is directly proportional > to the current, to the magnetic field, and to the nature of the particular > conducting material itself; the Hall voltage is inversely proportional to > the thickness of the material in the direction of the magnetic field. > Because various materials have different Hall coefficients, they develop > different Hall voltages under the same conditions of size, electric current, > and magnetic field. Hall coefficients can be determined experimentally and > vary with temperature. > > Having established quantitatively how the Hall voltage is determined, I ask > Dale the following, based on his statement that " and that's simply that a > lot of testing has been done to show that they do in fact work. " > > Dale, can you supply references to published works that show that magnets do > indeed work? What work do they accomplish? What magnetic intensities, > currents and voltages are used to make them work? What are the minimum and > maximum values that have been shown to be effective and at the same time > safe? > > >The reason they work is because of what is known as the Hall effect. This > is > >an electrical situation where something will heat up because of the > changing > >polarities of magnetic fields. > > I don't think that this is the Hall effect at all, nor do I understand > exactly what you're getting at. How do the polarities of permanent magnets > change? Are you thinking of electromagnets connected to an alternating > current source? If so, how does that relate to the proposed cure using > permanent magnets? > > >In the case of magnets they would need to be a multiple of North and South > >in an area to accomplish this with the blood supply as it passes from one > >point to another. > > What does this mean? What is a multiple of North and South? > > >I could also get into explaining why it is that the national electrical > code > >requires a wire from each phase of a transformer to be in each conduit of > a > >multi conduit system. It is because of the vary reason of the Hall effect > >that this requirement is in the code. If each phase of a system was in one > >individual conduit there is a tremendous heat build up at the junction of > an > >electrical box. It really is quite an amazing phenomena. > > I am not familiar with this fact, but in any event you are talking about > currents of a magnitude that could kill all members of the gallstones group > in one swell foop! > > >I used magnets for my liver condition and can't find any reason not to do > so > >other than cost. > > What effect did they have, and how did you verify it? >>>>. > > Ira; > > Sorry that I can't give you as much information at this time as you would > have liked, but I've put an email out to someone whom I hope will be able to > provide you and me more detailed information, and some studies that have > been done regarding magnetic therapies. I can certainly appreciate your > engineering background but for the purpose of this group I was purely > attempting to keep it simple as I'm not an electrical engineer, and haven't > had to deal with this effect other than running conduit and knowing about > the primary effect of the Hall effect on electrical equipment, and > especially at the points where the conduit or wire enter an electrical > cabinet. > > As you are aware the passage of material across a magnetic field will have a > voltage induced no mater what the materials composition as long as it is > conductive in some matter. The effect will often be in the low gauss but > it's there non the less. As you know the Hall effect occurs because of the > up and down or back and forth field cutting across a conductive material. > It's inductance it proportional to the current being drawn. Bob Beck's > zapper or black box is an example of the use of a reversing polarity to > induce a voltage into the blood to help in killing off parasites, where > magnets just work at a much lower intensity. Magnetic therapies for physical > purposes relies on the flow of blood and lymph throughout the areas of the > body. The passage of the blood from one polarity to another is the change to > its polarity and therefore the heating effect it receives as an individual > cell. > > In the past, regarding the electrical trade, wiring was done in such a way > that was known as Knob & Tube. This was for all practical purposes a very > safe method excepting the lack of knowledge by some installers or home > owners in dealing with its installation and maintenance. This method however > had one major drawback in that the wire could actually end-up acting like a > coil in a heater if the current passing through it was too much for the size > of the wire. They found that by keeping wires of a circuit close together > the passing fields would oppose and reduce the heating effect of the > alternating current. That's the reason why we have romex wire today and the > code requirement for circuits of a phase to have the neutral in the same > conduit run. This is also the reason for three way circuits being required > to have the three conductor wire instead of just using a two conductor cable > to transpose the conducting wire so that a switch at two locations of a room > could control one light or circuit. It is also the reason why the wiring for > a phase or multi wire circuit is suppose to enter in the same opening into > a cabinet. > > Many houses were wired just using two conductor romex for everything, > including the three way lighting ciruits as K & T was phasing out. A wire > would be run from one box to another and then up to the fixture. The wire > would get its hot wire from one location and then feed up to a fixture with > a neutral wire having been picked up at another location, and possibly from > a different circuit run which could then overload a neutral conductor. The > problem with this method was that the load could cause a wire to overheat > and breakdown the insulation causing a potential fire hazard because unlike > K & T the wiring is stapled directly to wood members of a house instead of > being held away from, or protected from touching any wood surface, to reduce > the potential of a fire even if it did turn into a heating element from the > draw of current. Running the wire with the to and fro in close proximately > of it would not let the wire turn into a heating element as readily. This is > the reason why the electrical code requires parallel or even multi wire > circuits to be in close proximity. > > As regards the currents that could kill the whole of this group in one fell > swoop, you're right! It's these types of power levels with which the utility > companies have to deal. But, none the less, even at the lower voltages there > can be problems with the hall effect on electrial equipment, and therefore > the varilous requirements for its installation. Power being supplied to a > large building certainly can get a strong field going between the box > connections from were one phase would enter and have the others adjacent to > it. That's why there is the requirement for paralleled feeders to equate to > one wire in multiple conduits to have a wire from each phase in each > conduit, and then be connected in the panel to make up as one connductor. > > This is certainly far more than I would have wanted to have to get into > regarding the use of magnets on this group because I don't believe most > people here are going to have a clue as to what you and I are talking about. > You and I could sit down at table with a glass of wine or a few bottles of > beer and could then discuss with impunity this subject, but as to how it > worked for me it simply reduced the level of my pain. It did it a number of > times to where I didn't bother taking any pain medication for my gallbladder > or liver attacks and I use it toay for my knees and back pain when those > tend to hurt. This isn't something that can be anything more than antidotal > at this time regarding me and my use of magnets. I do however hope to > acquire the more in-depth information of which you are seeking to satisfy > your engineering requirements. However for the time being I'll just direct > everyone here to some websites with some pertinent information; > http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/g2603/0005/2603000504/p1/article.jh tml > http://www.heartlandhealing.com/pages/archive/magnets/ > http://www.indiangyan.com/books/magnetbooks/magnetic_cure/index.shtml > > Dale > > ----------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2002 Report Share Posted February 9, 2002 Thanks Dale, Do you use two magnets? One on top of the liver and one under the back, or only one on top? I've heard the flow can reduce stone size but over a long period of time. Also assisting the magnets with drinking water that is magnetized. I think Antigall or GCG or something would be easier and over the same amount of time or less. Thanks again. Barry. > > > > Dale, > > > > You're right. I don't want to wire my house or need such detailed > > explanations about electrical currents. How about for the layman, in > > English? haha > > > > When you reduced the gb colic pain with magnets, how did you apply > > them? At the time of attack? Daily? And what strenght magnets did you > > use? Where did you place them? One behind the back and one over the > > gb? Please tell me (us) how you applied them to get relief. Do you > > think they reduced the size of your gallstones? > > > > Thanks, > > Barry. > > > The way I used them was to just put it over the area of the liver. I didn't > think about it at the time but I probably could have just laid it under the > right side of my back. Although I don't like to advertise just what brand of > products I use I have the Nikken magnets and they are designed so as to have > small, around 5 mm squares, of magnets placed together as a pad. This then > allows the blood to pass numerous north and south points. It really is so > easy to do that it just isn't as complicated as one may want to make it. > > As to reducing the size of the stones, I doubt it. It just works on the > nerve centers and the blood supply to help in relieving the pain associated > with a gallbladder or liver attack. I just feel fortunate to have had them > along with some of the other tools I used to eventually rid myself of > gallstones, for the time being. I have passed more stones with my colonic > flushes so I really haven't been as good a boy as I should have been. But, > hey, it's really nice to be able to enjoy some of the foods I'd gone two > years without eating to keep things in check. > > I haven't given in totally to the desire for fatty foods. I still maintain > my efforts at keeping my wits about me when shopping or eating at a > restaurant. > > Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 I think this is true...and, it is the polarity that is of greatest importance. And, if you get it wrong you can make matters worse. Apparently, when we pay out the nose for health magnets part of it is so that someone is figuring out the polarity and indicating it on the product...the rest is greed. :-P :-) I once got the instructions on how to figure out the polarity but it seemed so complicated and undoable for me that I didn't even save them... maybe I was just having brain fog...duh.. The ones that help my pain (localized) are neodymium...I think it's just that they are stronger than ordinary. Ceramic never did anything for me...but we're all different. Kit > As far as I know a magnet is a magnet is a magnet. There are ceramic and metal ones, round and long. But it is the polarization of energy that makes it work. > Gayla > Always Enough Ranch > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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