Pain in the Back Ribcage - Lea

[Guest guest]

Lea, I don't have this condition. It sounds horrible to have to

endure. Do you have arthritis? I can't remember. If so, maybe it's

an added misery. A lady I knew in the past who had severe arthritis

used to wake up at 5 a.m. and take alfalfa tablets (lots of trace

minerals in that plant cuz the roots go down 20 ft. deep into the

ground) and Vitamin E capsules just so she could get out of bed at 7

a.m. to barely function all day long.

Maybe this could help you. Ofcourse, as you already know, any

natural should be taken a hour or two before or after allopathic

meds.

Love, love, and more love,

Sunny xo

>

> Thank you for this, Kenda. We have a doctor here who won a case

in court regarding CFS. I am not sure if I have CFS, but for me it is

the pulling down pain in my back rib cage that destroys my life. I

was up at 5AM, and now my day is over because I can no longer sit. It

feels like something is pulling my upper back downward! The pain is

so bad, and we are at a loss as to what is causing this...I have had

this condition for so many years. The doctors have told me that I

have chest wall damage from the ruptured implants. Do any of you have

this condition?

>

> Love always........Lea

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

> Re: Re: CFS is real!

>

>

>

> CDC: Chronic fatigue syndrome is real

> By KIM ARCHER World Staff Writer

> 11/27/2006

>

> A local medical director says the hardest part of getting help

can be

> finding a physician who believes you.

>

> After years of ridicule and dismissal, chronic fatigue syndrome

sufferers

> may feel validated since the U.S. government has declared the

disease real.

>

> In early November, the national Centers for Disease Control

launched an

> awareness and educational campaign called, " Get Informed. Get

Diagnosed. And

> Get Help. " The campaign is aimed at educating patients and

doctors about the

> reality of chronic fatigue syndrome, or CFS.

>

> Eighty percent of an estimated 1 million Americans with the

disease do not

> know they have it, the CDC said.

>

> " This is a disease that has been shrouded in a lot of mystery

and

> controversy. And sometimes people question if it's real or not

real, "

> Centers for Disease Control Director Gerberding said

earlier this

> month. " We are committed to improving the awareness that this

is a real

> illness and that people need real medical care and they deserve

the best

> possible help that we can provide. "

>

> " It's very frustrating (to treat CFS patients), " said

Gray, a medical

> doctor who once treated CFS patients but quit his Tulsa

practice to become

> medical director of OMNI Medical Group sponsored

> by St. Health System.

>

> He said the CDC's step toward legitimizing the disease is a

good one in that

> it protects patients from " snake oil salesmen " and provides

doctors with

> evidence.

>

> He said one of the biggest difficulties in diagnosing and

treating the

> disease is finding a doctor who believes it is a real illness.

>

> " Most doctors have a strong bias that it's probably a

psychiatric syndrome, "

> he said.

>

> A recent study showed that doctors with loved ones or long-term

patients who

> suddenly fall ill with CFS are more likely to become advocates

for

> sufferers. " When they see this was not a needy person, but an

active,

> accomplished person who became crippled, they probably can

reconcile their

> preconceptions with the facts, " Gray said.

>

> The CDC also announced $4 million in research grants for

studies.

>

> After 20 years of research, the scientific community still does

not know

> what causes the disease or how to treat it. Scientists have

revealed the

> discovery of underlying biological abnormalities, which could

suggest a

> genetic link.

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Lea, that sounds awful!! Have you seen any holistic practioners?

like a chiropractor? what did they say?

I know there are alot of anti-inflammatory type diets out there -

Null's books, and I think Perricone's is as well. Have you

tried to drastically change your diet at all?

XO

> >

> > Thank you for this, Kenda. We have a doctor here who won a

case

> in court regarding CFS. I am not sure if I have CFS, but for me it

is

> the pulling down pain in my back rib cage that destroys my life. I

> was up at 5AM, and now my day is over because I can no longer sit.

It

> feels like something is pulling my upper back downward! The pain

is

> so bad, and we are at a loss as to what is causing this...I have

had

> this condition for so many years. The doctors have told me that I

> have chest wall damage from the ruptured implants. Do any of you

have

> this condition?

> >

> > Love always........Lea

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

> > Re: Re: CFS is real!

> >

> >

> >

> > CDC: Chronic fatigue syndrome is real

> > By KIM ARCHER World Staff Writer

> > 11/27/2006

> >

> > A local medical director says the hardest part of getting

help

> can be

> > finding a physician who believes you.

> >

> > After years of ridicule and dismissal, chronic fatigue

syndrome

> sufferers

> > may feel validated since the U.S. government has declared

the

> disease real.

> >

> > In early November, the national Centers for Disease Control

> launched an

> > awareness and educational campaign called, " Get Informed.

Get

> Diagnosed. And

> > Get Help. " The campaign is aimed at educating patients and

> doctors about the

> > reality of chronic fatigue syndrome, or CFS.

> >

> > Eighty percent of an estimated 1 million Americans with the

> disease do not

> > know they have it, the CDC said.

> >

> > " This is a disease that has been shrouded in a lot of

mystery

> and

> > controversy. And sometimes people question if it's real or

not

> real, "

> > Centers for Disease Control Director Gerberding said

> earlier this

> > month. " We are committed to improving the awareness that

this

> is a real

> > illness and that people need real medical care and they

deserve

> the best

> > possible help that we can provide. "

> >

> > " It's very frustrating (to treat CFS patients), " said

> Gray, a medical

> > doctor who once treated CFS patients but quit his Tulsa

> practice to become

> > medical director of OMNI Medical Group sponsored

> > by St. Health System.

> >

> > He said the CDC's step toward legitimizing the disease is a

> good one in that

> > it protects patients from " snake oil salesmen " and provides

> doctors with

> > evidence.

> >

> > He said one of the biggest difficulties in diagnosing and

> treating the

> > disease is finding a doctor who believes it is a real

illness.

> >

> > " Most doctors have a strong bias that it's probably a

> psychiatric syndrome, "

> > he said.

> >

> > A recent study showed that doctors with loved ones or long-

term

> patients who

> > suddenly fall ill with CFS are more likely to become

advocates

> for

> > sufferers. " When they see this was not a needy person, but

an

> active,

> > accomplished person who became crippled, they probably can

> reconcile their

> > preconceptions with the facts, " Gray said.

> >

> > The CDC also announced $4 million in research grants for

> studies.

> >

> > After 20 years of research, the scientific community still

does

> not know

> > what causes the disease or how to treat it. Scientists have

> revealed the

> > discovery of underlying biological abnormalities, which

could

> suggest a

> > genetic link.

> >

> > ----------------------------------------------------------

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dearest :

What a brave lady you are. You have been through so much, and yet you still remain so positive. I have not seen anyone, other than my rheumatologist. My doctors feel that physio-therapy would help me to get moving again. I plan on doing this as soon as we get settled. Which foods would help with the inflamation? I am on blood-thinners.

Sending love and healing...Lea

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Re: Re: CFS is real!> > > > > > > > CDC: Chronic fatigue syndrome is real> > By KIM ARCHER World Staff Writer> > 11/27/2006 > > > > A local medical director says the hardest part of getting help > can be> > finding a physician who believes you.> > > > After years of ridicule and dismissal, chronic fatigue syndrome > sufferers> > may feel validated since the U.S. government has declared the > disease real.> > > > In early November, the national Centers for Disease Control > launched an> > awareness and educational campaign called, "Get Informed. Get > Diagnosed. And> > Get Help." The campaign is aimed at educating patients and > doctors about the> > reality of chronic fatigue syndrome, or CFS.> > > > Eighty percent of an estimated 1 million Americans with the > disease do not> > know they have it, the CDC said.> > > > "This is a disease that has been shrouded in a lot of mystery > and> > controversy. And sometimes people question if it's real or not > real,"> > Centers for Disease Control Director Gerberding said > earlier this> > month. "We are committed to improving the awareness that this > is a real> > illness and that people need real medical care and they deserve > the best> > possible help that we can provide."> > > > "It's very frustrating (to treat CFS patients)," said > Gray, a medical> > doctor who once treated CFS patients but quit his Tulsa > practice to become> > medical director of OMNI Medical Group sponsored> > by St. Health System.> > > > He said the CDC's step toward legitimizing the disease is a > good one in that> > it protects patients from "snake oil salesmen" and provides > doctors with> > evidence. > > > > He said one of the biggest difficulties in diagnosing and > treating the> > disease is finding a doctor who believes it is a real illness.> > > > "Most doctors have a strong bias that it's probably a > psychiatric syndrome,"> > he said. > > > > A recent study showed that doctors with loved ones or long-term > patients who> > suddenly fall ill with CFS are more likely to become advocates > for> > sufferers. "When they see this was not a needy person, but an > active,> > accomplished person who became crippled, they probably can > reconcile their> > preconceptions with the facts," Gray said.> > > > The CDC also announced $4 million in research grants for > studies.> > > > After 20 years of research, the scientific community still does > not know> > what causes the disease or how to treat it. Scientists have > revealed the> > discovery of underlying biological abnormalities, which could > suggest a> > genetic link. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------> >>

[Guest guest]

Sunny, my doctors have taken me off all vitiamins because of the blood- thinners. I used to take Vitiamin E and C, plus a multi vit. and it could help my arthritis, but I need my doctors permission first.....thank you.

Do you have any SNOW, if not we will send you some...love you too......Lea

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Re: Re: CFS is real!> > > > CDC: Chronic fatigue syndrome is real> By KIM ARCHER World Staff Writer> 11/27/2006 > > A local medical director says the hardest part of getting help can be> finding a physician who believes you.> > After years of ridicule and dismissal, chronic fatigue syndrome sufferers> may feel validated since the U.S. government has declared the disease real.> > In early November, the national Centers for Disease Control launched an> awareness and educational campaign called, "Get Informed. Get Diagnosed. And> Get Help." The campaign is aimed at educating patients and doctors about the> reality of chronic fatigue syndrome, or CFS.> > Eighty percent of an estimated 1 million Americans with the disease do not> know they have it, the CDC said.> > "This is a disease that has been shrouded in a lot of mystery and> controversy. And sometimes people question if it's real or not real,"> Centers for Disease Control Director Gerberding said earlier this> month. "We are committed to improving the awareness that this is a real> illness and that people need real medical care and they deserve the best> possible help that we can provide."> > "It's very frustrating (to treat CFS patients)," said Gray, a medical> doctor who once treated CFS patients but quit his Tulsa practice to become> medical director of OMNI Medical Group sponsored> by St. Health System.> > He said the CDC's step toward legitimizing the disease is a good one in that> it protects patients from "snake oil salesmen" and provides doctors with> evidence. > > He said one of the biggest difficulties in diagnosing and treating the> disease is finding a doctor who believes it is a real illness.> > "Most doctors have a strong bias that it's probably a psychiatric syndrome,"> he said. > > A recent study showed that doctors with loved ones or long-term patients who> suddenly fall ill with CFS are more likely to become advocates for> sufferers. "When they see this was not a needy person, but an active,> accomplished person who became crippled, they probably can reconcile their> preconceptions with the facts," Gray said.> > The CDC also announced $4 million in research grants for studies.> > After 20 years of research, the scientific community still does not know> what causes the disease or how to treat it. Scientists have revealed the> discovery of underlying biological abnormalities, which could suggest a> genetic link. > > ---------------------------------------------------------->

[Guest guest]

hello Lovely Lea,

Alot of ladies can speak about how diet helped them tremendously. I

suggest if you are up for it, getting some Weil books at the

library. Also, Null, and Perricone, too. But

Weil is very 'user friendly'. Don't expect your rheum. dr to be

supportive, of course, but perhaps fine tuning your diet would

help. An anti-inflamatory diet will cut out things like white

flour, sugar, etc., add more fruits and veggies (though those in the

night-shade family, like tomatoes and eggplants can increase

inflammation), increase pure water consumption, etc. Sometimes when

I wanted a non traditional view on something afflicting me I would

just go to google and type the ailment and then " holistic "

or " natural " and just see what came my way. Getting more info made

me feel better because I was being pro-active at least. I know

you'll hear alot of this type of diet in conjuction w/ arthitis, but

I believe CFS is considered an inflammation, is that correct? I

knew a lady whose dr put her on such a diet for her CFS and

Fibromyalgia - I didn't know she had been so sick, because she was

really glowing. good luck!!!

http://nutrition.about.com/od/dietsformedicaldisorders/a/antiinflamfo

od.htm

http://www.randomhouse.com/knopf/weil/diet.html

http://www.angelhealingcenter.com/Anti-InflammatoryDiet.html

> >

> > Lea, I don't have this condition. It sounds horrible to have

to

> > endure. Do you have arthritis? I can't remember. If so,

maybe

> it's

> > an added misery. A lady I knew in the past who had severe

> arthritis

> > used to wake up at 5 a.m. and take alfalfa tablets (lots of

trace

> > minerals in that plant cuz the roots go down 20 ft. deep

into the

> > ground) and Vitamin E capsules just so she could get out of

bed at

> 7

> > a.m. to barely function all day long.

> >

> > Maybe this could help you. Ofcourse, as you already know,

any

> > natural should be taken a hour or two before or after

allopathic

> > meds.

> >

> > Love, love, and more love,

> >

> > Sunny xo

> >

> > --- In , " Lea " <devans@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Thank you for this, Kenda. We have a doctor here who won a

> case

> > in court regarding CFS. I am not sure if I have CFS, but for

me it

> is

> > the pulling down pain in my back rib cage that destroys my

life. I

> > was up at 5AM, and now my day is over because I can no

longer sit.

> It

> > feels like something is pulling my upper back downward! The

pain

> is

> > so bad, and we are at a loss as to what is causing this...I

have

> had

> > this condition for so many years. The doctors have told me

that I

> > have chest wall damage from the ruptured implants. Do any of

you

> have

> > this condition?

> > >

> > > Love always........Lea

> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

> > > Re: Re: CFS is real!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > CDC: Chronic fatigue syndrome is real

> > > By KIM ARCHER World Staff Writer

> > > 11/27/2006

> > >

> > > A local medical director says the hardest part of getting

> help

> > can be

> > > finding a physician who believes you.

> > >

> > > After years of ridicule and dismissal, chronic fatigue

> syndrome

> > sufferers

> > > may feel validated since the U.S. government has declared

> the

> > disease real.

> > >

> > > In early November, the national Centers for Disease

Control

> > launched an

> > > awareness and educational campaign called, " Get Informed.

> Get

> > Diagnosed. And

> > > Get Help. " The campaign is aimed at educating patients and

> > doctors about the

> > > reality of chronic fatigue syndrome, or CFS.

> > >

> > > Eighty percent of an estimated 1 million Americans with

the

> > disease do not

> > > know they have it, the CDC said.

> > >

> > > " This is a disease that has been shrouded in a lot of

> mystery

> > and

> > > controversy. And sometimes people question if it's real or

> not

> > real, "

> > > Centers for Disease Control Director Gerberding said

> > earlier this

> > > month. " We are committed to improving the awareness that

> this

> > is a real

> > > illness and that people need real medical care and they

> deserve

> > the best

> > > possible help that we can provide. "

> > >

> > > " It's very frustrating (to treat CFS patients), " said

> > Gray, a medical

> > > doctor who once treated CFS patients but quit his Tulsa

> > practice to become

> > > medical director of OMNI Medical Group sponsored

> > > by St. Health System.

> > >

> > > He said the CDC's step toward legitimizing the disease is

a

> > good one in that

> > > it protects patients from " snake oil salesmen " and

provides

> > doctors with

> > > evidence.

> > >

> > > He said one of the biggest difficulties in diagnosing and

> > treating the

> > > disease is finding a doctor who believes it is a real

> illness.

> > >

> > > " Most doctors have a strong bias that it's probably a

> > psychiatric syndrome, "

> > > he said.

> > >

> > > A recent study showed that doctors with loved ones or long-

> term

> > patients who

> > > suddenly fall ill with CFS are more likely to become

> advocates

> > for

> > > sufferers. " When they see this was not a needy person, but

> an

> > active,

> > > accomplished person who became crippled, they probably can

> > reconcile their

> > > preconceptions with the facts, " Gray said.

> > >

> > > The CDC also announced $4 million in research grants for

> > studies.

> > >

> > > After 20 years of research, the scientific community still

> does

> > not know

> > > what causes the disease or how to treat it. Scientists

have

> > revealed the

> > > discovery of underlying biological abnormalities, which

> could

> > suggest a

> > > genetic link.

> > >

> > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks IMHO, a good diet is seriously underated. The fact is, we simply can't get the nutrition to heal our body with the modern diet, unless we become proactive about understanding our body's needs. Convenience foods, processing, microwaving, pasturizing, plus herbicides, pesticides, antibiotics, hormones don't help! I'd also suggest "The Great Physician's RX", or "The Maker's Diet" both by Rubin. Rogene

[Guest guest]

Diet is so much important than any of us give credit. I wrote a few days

ago about how I have changed my eating to lean down. Over 30 day's time, I

have seen amazing results with changing my food alone, no exercise changes

and no cardio at all. What this means to me is that I wasn't eating

properly to heal after exercise. What it also means is that it is even more

important to someone who is trying to heal after illness or disease. Be

sure to eat foods from the protein group, starch, and fruits and vegetables.

All groups are equally important to your healing.

Kenda

> Thanks

>

> IMHO, a good diet is seriously underated. The fact is, we simply can't get

> the nutrition to heal our body with the modern diet, unless we become

> proactive about understanding our body's needs. Convenience foods, processing,

> microwaving, pasturizing, plus herbicides, pesticides, antibiotics, hormones

> don't help!

>

> I'd also suggest " The Great Physician's RX " , or " The Maker's Diet " both by

> Rubin.

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

Well said Rogene. Yes, I bet we could glean a bit of great info

from most of the authors mentioned. Jordan Rubin (Maker's Diet)

emphasizes probiotics and cultered foods, which is pretty

interesting. Another one is the Halelujah Diet - that is mostly a

living foods regime. I am not promoting any one - they all have some

sound info. Again, I like to read everything about nutrition

whether I initially buy into it or not, then see what resonates with

me.

In , Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks

>

> IMHO, a good diet is seriously underated. The fact is, we simply

can't get the nutrition to heal our body with the modern diet,

unless we become proactive about understanding our body's needs.

Convenience foods, processing, microwaving, pasturizing, plus

herbicides, pesticides, antibiotics, hormones don't help!

>

> I'd also suggest " The Great Physician's RX " , or " The Maker's

Diet " both by Rubin.

>

> Rogene

>