Root Canals

July 1, 1999

" HOLMES, MARK T. " wrote:

>

> Do any of you have any info on root canals or personal experiences that you

We did a whole big thing on root canals and other dental treatments

after moving the support group to ONElist. Go to ONElist and do a search

of the groups archive for Root Canal, dentil work, fillings, etc. and

you'll get a drive full! Including things like implants, etc.

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August 1, 1999

Kyla,

I've never had one removed but I've done some research about it and it's

supposed to be a good idea. Whether it's coincidence or not, my RA came

on exactly 2 weeks after I got my first root canal and I've told my

dentist I will not have any more done. However, I've not yet got up the

nerve to have the existing one removed but I've heard of people who have

improved dramatically after having them removed. I would say if you

have a valid reason for doing it, such as constant infection in the

tooth, then I think it's something worth considering. My understanding

is that it needs to be removed carefully, along with a certain amount of

surrounding bone and tissue. I'm not sure if I found information or not

about this on the rheumatic.org website but I'm pretty sure there are

some articles on Dr. Mirkin's site about root canals and having them

removed. I know that, for me, my teeth seem to be a source of trouble

for my RA because long before I was ever diagnosed, I used to

occasionally have a joint swell up for no reason, then it would resolve

itself. In my early thirties, I had all my mercury fillings removed and

I went for about 8 years without any problems. Then last year, I get

the root canal and bang, I get hit head on with RA and I've been

battling it ever since. Good luck making your decision and if you do

decide to go ahead with having it removed, I would be very interested in

hearing about your experience, including whether your RA improves

afterwards.

a

" M. Kyla MacKenzie " wrote:

>

> From: " M. Kyla MacKenzie " <celticfox@...>

>

> Hello all,

>

> Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I was just wondering

> if anyone out there has had root canal teeth removed?

>

> My dentist wants to do something with a root filled molar because

> it keeps getting infected every few months. My dentist doesn't

> even bother to give me antibiotics anymore, because the infection

> comes and goes so often. She talked about having a specialist

> " clean out " the infection in the root, but after all the negative

> things I have read about root canals, I'd rather have her pull it

> out.

>

> Funny, I had gone a couple of weeks without any joint pain, which

> happens quite a bit, I shouldn't complain. But then a few days

> ago I started to get achy again and my left hip flared pretty bad

> today. Then I realized my tooth had started to ache again during

> the same time. Perhaps it's causing alot of my flares. Who knows.

>

> Although my dentist doesn't believe in using mercury amalgam, I

> don't believe she knows much about the bacterial-chronic disease

> link.

>

> I've read that it is important to take antibiotics for a period

> of time before removal of an infected/root filled tooth. Does it

> have to be a specific antibiotic? Should they be continued for a

> period of time after removal? Perhaps dentists prescribe them

> after tooth extraction anyway.

>

> I read on the rheumatic site that they usually recommend removing

> some of the bone too, as it may be infected with bacteria also.

> Ouch! Now I'm worried that I will have my tooth extracted and it

> won't make a difference because the bone may be infected also.

> *sigh*

>

> I've never had a tooth pulled before, so needless to say, I'm

> pretty freaked out about having it done! But mostly, I just want

> to make sure all the proper steps are taken to ensure that the

> bacteria trapped in my tooth don't infect my body further.

>

> Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.

>

> Thanks,

> Kyla

>

February 29, 2000

My doc told me to never get a root canal, when i mentioned the process where

they use an expanding material to fill all the space in the cavity so

bacteria cant grow, he said no, its not worth it with your condition. No

root canals.

rheumatic ROOT CANALS

> From: SsinD@...

>

> DAEMON@... writes:

>

> << Hi;

> my personal opinion on this is to have the tooth removed. It's a dead

tooth

> and it can harbor the RA " bug " that we are trying to destroy. I just had

> (January 7, 2000) two root canal teeth pulled. They were 'viable' teeth

but

> since starting the AP (Dec/1996) and having great success with it I

wanted

> to

> have the teeth removed to 'cover all my base's' Immediately after having

> them pulled I went into a herx/flare (big time). Dr, Sinnott feels I

stirred

> up some " tough-hiding-out bugs " and thus the pain. I'm still having a few

> more RA problems than before the extraction's...which only confirms my

> theory

> that 'bugs' were hiding in those teeth and the antibiotic could not

destroy

> them. Now they have no where to hide and the AP is finishing it's job.

> I opted for braces to fill in the gaps.

> good luck cindi/iowa ra 43 yrs ap 3+ yrs

>

> <<

> i am absolutely freaking out. i know this issue has been tossed

> around on this list before. but i just found out yesterday that i have

> a " failed " root canal. and apparently it has been " bad " for 3 yrs.

> now and my RA started 3 mo. after i got this tooth done!!!!

> t has never hurt, only felt a little strange. so i was not too worried

> about it. now i am freaking out because of articles on the Internet.

> i have read all the stuff i can find but am wondering if anyone has

> experienced this first hand. has anyone gotten a tooth extracted

> and their arthritis NOT gotten any better??? i really hate to get a

> tooth taken out if ANOTHER root canal could possibly fix the

> problem. ANY IDEAS???? THANKS! >> >>

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June 24, 2001

I just had a root canal done, I read in your paper that extraction

of root canal is necessary to improve symptoms. What does that mean, i

have a temporary filling right now, what do i need to do??

thanks crystal

***********

I think what you were reading about was for a person with a

chronic condition like MS, ALs, CFS, etc.

Root canals more often than not become problematic over time, and start

giving off very toxic anerobic bacterial toxins. Cause a lot of

enzymatic blockages similar to mercury. Some people with strong immune

systems don't have problems with them for considerable periods, but

often when immune system weakens develop problems.

Some experts like Meneig, Hal Huggins, who used to do root canals

concluded that there's more danger than benefit. But its a personal

decision. Most endodontists think they are wonderful. I've done a lot

of research and had all but one of mine extracted. I have one still

that used an alterntive material, Biocalex.

Most root canals done have included phenyl mercury, which is toxic and

many become immune reactive to,

producing autoimmune diseases. Do you know what materials your dentist

is using?

Its possible to test root canaled teeth periodically for toxicity, using

TOPAS test. For more info see,

www.altcorp.com (a dental lab)

Bernie

June 24, 2001

I also had mine done with biocalex.

S

On Sat, 23 June 2001, Bernard Windham wrote:

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> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; I just had a root canal done, I read in your paper

that extraction

> of root canal is necessary to improve symptoms. & nbsp; What does that mean,

i

> have a temporary filling right now, what do i need to do??

> thanks & nbsp; crystal

> ***********

> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; I think what you were reading

about was for a person with a

> chronic condition like MS, ALs, CFS, etc.

> Root canals more often than not become problematic over time, and start

> giving off very toxic anerobic bacterial toxins. & nbsp; Cause a lot of

> enzymatic blockages similar to mercury. & nbsp; & nbsp; Some people with strong

immune

> systems don't have problems with them for considerable periods, but

> often when immune system weakens develop problems.

> Some experts like Meneig, Hal Huggins, who used to do root canals

> concluded that there's more danger than benefit. & nbsp; But its a personal

> decision. & nbsp; Most endodontists think they are wonderful. I've done a

lot

> of research and had all but one of mine extracted. & nbsp; & nbsp; I have one

still

> that used an alterntive material, Biocalex.

> Most root canals done have included phenyl mercury, which is toxic and

> many become immune reactive to,

> producing autoimmune diseases. & nbsp; & nbsp; Do you know what materials your

dentist

> is using?

> Its possible to test root canaled teeth periodically for toxicity, using

> TOPAS test. & nbsp; For more info see,

> www.altcorp.com & nbsp; & nbsp; (a dental lab)

> Bernie

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February 7, 2003

Margaret,

As my web site noted(www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/damspr11)

its possible to test root canaled teeth to determine if they are toxic and

problematic. But clinical trials indicate most do become so over time. TOPAS

is one simple, relatively inexpensive test that dentists can do(www.altcorp.com)

CAVITAT is a more expensive test for cavitations- which often result from root

canals and extractions.

I had 4 root canaled teeth extracted. I replaced them by bridges, which

you can't tell any difference in visually or much functionally. But they have

to cut down other teeth to support the bridge, which can weaken those teeth.

My root canaled teeth were biopsied, and were toxic.

I used non metal materials for the bridges, rather than gold alloys. I

used Targis-Vectris and Procera.

Some use Empress(ceramic), etc. Procera has some aluminum oxide I think,

which is supposed to be pretty stable form of the metal. Nothing is perfect.

Its possible to get biocompatibility test from blood immune reactivity

tests(Clifford lab, Colorada) or Peak Lab(also Colorada I think) or EDS/EAV

tester.

Many(or most) are immune reactive to most metals and many other dental

materials, which will cause adverse health effects.

Bernie

February 7, 2003

Marti,

You have a root canaled tooth. Its dead and had the nerves and blood

vessels reemed out and replaced by gutta percha and some other things and

sealed. My posted info is relevant to your tooth. You can get it tested

periodically if you want to using TOPAS test if you find a dentist who does it.

The medical lab I posted could advise you. You can also control bacteria in

mouth some using essential oils. Some use oil of oregeno as rinse or etc. I

use " Thieves " in my water pic.

Bernie

April 13, 2006

Did I miss something here? I only got very small print and a partial of an article. II know if Tom sent it it is something pertinent involving root canals. Thankfully, I've never had one, but I know that they create many health problems.

Marcie

August 27, 2006

Molly, Generally speaking, root canals may be safe . . . but for some people they aren't Hopefully Patty can jump will be back before you see the dentist. She had a number of health problems exacerbate after getting a crown. Problems that went away afterwards . . . Alternatives are bridges or implants. Patty had her root canals removed and is opting for a bridge. It has to do with the structure of the tooth where, when it's sealed, allows toxins to go into the body . . . You can probably find Patty's info in the archives. I don't know that you would have problems - but you should know your alternatives. Rogene

August 29, 2006

Root canals may be tolerated by people who have no immune system issues, but for those of us who do, I tend to think that root canals are just asking for more trouble. There are not many options though. I had to just pull mine. I wish I could have saved the teeth, but it just seemed like a dark path I was on and I wanted to get back to where I was before. I like being able to move and jump and enjoy life! I'm still dealing with the aftermath of all that root canal garbage too, in the form of burning pain. I am uncertain, but either I have a bone infection or I have a damaged nerve. The burning is just tiresome at this point. But I have not had the final finishing touches yet. I do not believe I can safely have dental implants. I have opted to purchase a partial, which is just those few fake teeth put on a retainer of some type and I can pop it in and out

of my mouth as necessary. I could not do a bridge, because there were no other back teeth for it to rest upon. I got the last two molars out. Molly, I hope you got some relief. But you might want to check out some of the dangers associated with root canals. My dentist gave me a book called "Root Canal Cover Up", I think by Meinig? It sure opened my eyes! Bes wishes, PattyRogene S <saxony01@...> wrote: Molly, Generally speaking, root canals may be safe . . . but for some people they aren't Hopefully Patty can jump will be back before you see the dentist. She had a number of health problems exacerbate after getting a crown. Problems that went away afterwards . . . Alternatives are bridges or implants. Patty had her root canals removed and is opting for a bridge. It has to do with the structure of the tooth where, when it's sealed, allows toxins to go into the body . . . You can probably find Patty's info in the archives. I don't know that you would have problems - but you should know your alternatives. Rogene

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I do the same thing myself....I've had several root canals, crowns, and have had tons of mercury fillings that I wish I could have removed properly! Now, as long as my dental problems are not in the front, I just get the tooth pulled, rather than having all that stuff done. Ok, so I now have NO teeth left in the back of my mouth.....LOLTricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...> wrote: Root canals may be tolerated by people who have no immune system issues, but for those of us who do, I tend to think that

root canals are just asking for more trouble. There are not many options though. I had to just pull mine. I wish I could have saved the teeth, but it just seemed like a dark path I was on and I wanted to get back to where I was before. I like being able to move and jump and enjoy life! I'm still dealing with the aftermath of all that root canal garbage too, in the form of burning pain. I am uncertain, but either I have a bone infection or I have a damaged nerve. The burning is just tiresome at this point. But I have not had the final finishing touches yet. I do not believe I can safely have dental implants. I have opted to purchase a partial, which is just those few fake teeth put on a retainer of some type and I can pop it in and out of my mouth as necessary. I could not do a bridge, because there were no other back teeth for it to rest upon. I

got the last two molars out. Molly, I hope you got some relief. But you might want to check out some of the dangers associated with root canals. My dentist gave me a book called "Root Canal Cover Up", I think by Meinig? It sure opened my eyes! Bes wishes, PattyRogene S <saxony01 > wrote: Molly, Generally speaking, root canals may be safe . . . but for some people they aren't Hopefully Patty can jump will be back before you see the dentist. She had a number of health problems exacerbate after getting a crown. Problems that went away afterwards . . . Alternatives are bridges or implants. Patty had her root

canals removed and is opting for a bridge. It has to do with the structure of the tooth where, when it's sealed, allows toxins to go into the body . . . You can probably find Patty's info in the archives. I don't know that you would have problems - but you should know your alternatives. Rogene All-new - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.

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OH my, you poor thing! How do you eat? One of the things I am dealing with is that I can only chew on one side right now. It will be nice to be able to chew on the other side if I can, but I have to wait until I get that dental appliance! I have no idea how long that is going to take, but I am ready for it! PattyLeyna <leyna1964@...> wrote: I do the same thing myself....I've had several root canals, crowns, and have had tons of mercury fillings that I wish I could have

removed properly! Now, as long as my dental problems are not in the front, I just get the tooth pulled, rather than having all that stuff done. Ok, so I now have NO teeth left in the back of my mouth.....LOLTricia Trish <glory2glory1401 > wrote: Root canals may be tolerated by people who have no immune system issues, but for those of us who do, I tend to think that root canals are just asking for more trouble. There are not many options though. I had to just pull mine. I wish I could have saved the teeth, but it just seemed like a dark path I was on and I wanted to get back to where I was before. I like being able to move and jump and enjoy life! I'm still dealing with the aftermath of all that root canal garbage too, in the

form of burning pain. I am uncertain, but either I have a bone infection or I have a damaged nerve. The burning is just tiresome at this point. But I have not had the final finishing touches yet. I do not believe I can safely have dental implants. I have opted to purchase a partial, which is just those few fake teeth put on a retainer of some type and I can pop it in and out of my mouth as necessary. I could not do a bridge, because there were no other back teeth for it to rest upon. I got the last two molars out. Molly, I hope you got some relief. But you might want to check out some of the dangers associated with root canals. My dentist gave me a book called "Root Canal Cover Up", I think by Meinig? It sure opened my eyes! Bes wishes, PattyRogene S <saxony01 > wrote: Molly, Generally speaking, root canals may be safe . . . but for some people they aren't Hopefully Patty can jump will be back before you see the dentist. She had a number of health problems exacerbate after getting a crown. Problems that went away afterwards . . . Alternatives are bridges or implants. Patty had her root canals removed and is opting for a bridge. It has to do with the structure of the tooth where, when it's sealed, allows toxins to go into the body . . . You can probably find Patty's info in the archives. I don't know that you would have problems - but you should know your alternatives. Rogene All-new - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out.

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Only soft foods, and chewing on my front teeth. lol I keep saying I'm going to save up to get a partial, but never seem to get around to saving!Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...> wrote: OH my, you poor thing! How do you eat? One of the things I am dealing with is that I can only chew on one side right now. It will be nice to be able to chew on the other side if I can, but I have to wait until I get that dental appliance! I have no idea how long that is going to take, but I am ready for

it! PattyLeyna <leyna1964 > wrote: I do the same thing myself....I've had several root canals, crowns, and have had tons of mercury fillings that I wish I could have removed properly! Now, as long as my dental problems are not in the front, I just get the tooth pulled, rather than having all that stuff done. Ok, so I now have NO teeth left in the back of my mouth.....LOLTricia Trish <glory2glory1401 > wrote: Root canals may be tolerated by people who have no immune system issues, but for those of us who do, I tend to think that root canals are just asking for more trouble. There are

not many options though. I had to just pull mine. I wish I could have saved the teeth, but it just seemed like a dark path I was on and I wanted to get back to where I was before. I like being able to move and jump and enjoy life! I'm still dealing with the aftermath of all that root canal garbage too, in the form of burning pain. I am uncertain, but either I have a bone infection or I have a damaged nerve. The burning is just tiresome at this point. But I have not had the final finishing touches yet. I do not believe I can safely have dental implants. I have opted to purchase a partial, which is just those few fake teeth put on a retainer of some type and I can pop it in and out of my mouth as necessary. I could not do a bridge, because there were no other back teeth for it to rest upon. I got the last two molars out. Molly, I hope you got some

relief. But you might want to check out some of the dangers associated with root canals. My dentist gave me a book called "Root Canal Cover Up", I think by Meinig? It sure opened my eyes! Bes wishes, PattyRogene S <saxony01 > wrote: Molly, Generally speaking, root canals may be safe . . . but for some people they aren't Hopefully Patty can jump will be back before you see the dentist. She had a number of health problems exacerbate after getting a crown. Problems that went away afterwards . . . Alternatives are bridges or implants. Patty had her root canals removed and is opting for a bridge. It has to do

with the structure of the tooth where, when it's sealed, allows toxins to go into the body . . . You can probably find Patty's info in the archives. I don't know that you would have problems - but you should know your alternatives. Rogene All-new - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small Business.

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August 29, 2006

> Molly,

>

> Generally speaking, root canals may be safe . . . but for some

people they aren't

>

> Hopefully Patty can jump will be back before you see the dentist.

>

> She had a number of health problems exacerbate after getting a

crown. Problems that went away afterwards . . .

>

> Alternatives are bridges or implants. Patty had her root canals

removed and is opting for a bridge.

>

> It has to do with the structure of the tooth where, when it's

sealed, allows toxins to go into the body . . . You can probably find

Patty's info in the archives.

>

> I don't know that you would have problems - but you should know

your alternatives.

>

> Rogene

>

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August 29, 2006

You too, eh Terri? I think we would be very surprised to see how many women have had to pull teeth, or who have had horrible dental issues. I know it is hard to make the connection, but I think it is there, and when you get women talking about these thing together, that is when the pattern shows up. I know that my dentist was interested when I mentioned it. As for Hollywood, no problem! Those women just go get fake teeth, don't they? That seems to be the rage too! Patty Peake <peaketeresa@...> wrote: - Same with me, had two back teeth removed the one just broke in toe, The dentist commented that he was surprised all he did was tap the tooth and it broke apart. Picture this all these Hollywood women big fake breasts then they smile and they have no teeth.LOLI know it is not funny I have the same teeth issues.Terri P> Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...> wrote: Root canals may be tolerated by people who have no immune system issues, but for those of us who do, I tend to think that root canals are just asking for more trouble.> > There are not many options though. I had to just pull mine. I wish I could have saved the teeth, but it just seemed like a dark path I was on and I wanted to get back to where I was before. I like being able to move and jump and enjoy life!> > I'm still dealing

with the aftermath of all that root canal garbage too, in the form of burning pain. I am uncertain, but either I have a bone infection or I have a damaged nerve. The burning is just tiresome at this point.> > But I have not had the final finishing touches yet. I do not believe I can safely have dental implants. I have opted to purchase a partial, which is just those few fake teeth put on a retainer of some type and I can pop it in and out of my mouth as necessary. I could not do a bridge, because there were no other back teeth for it to rest upon. I got the last two molars out.> > Molly, I hope you got some relief. But you might want to check out some of the dangers associated with root canals. My dentist gave me a book called "Root Canal Cover Up", I think by Meinig? It sure opened my eyes!> Bes wishes,> Patty> > .

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August 29, 2006

Leyna, It's hard to eat healthy on a soft food diet . . . I found that out when I was having dental work done . .. According to Rubin, a significant part of our diet needs to be raw . . . You can get around chewing by juicing veggies . .. Patty is one of the experts on this! . .. It may be a pain . .. but it's very important that our body gets the necessary nutrients - and not just from supplements. If women only knew the flip side of implants, I don't think any of them would opt for them. Rogene

August 29, 2006

Juices are awesome nutrient dense foods. But, you do need a good juicer. Once you've made a commitment to juicing, you will see significant changes for the better, but you can also go into a herxheimer reaction that leaves you a little icky feeling. Been there, done that! Time to back off then. But for cleansing, purging and purifying, juices are just the thing. You can buy a cheap juicer at Target or Walmart to get started, and see if it's your thing, but if it is, then you will want to invest in a good quality juicer, like the Green Life twin gear juicer. PattyRogene S <saxony01@...> wrote: Leyna, It's hard to eat healthy on a soft food diet . . . I found that out when I was having dental work done . .. According to Rubin, a significant part of our diet needs to be raw . . . You can get around chewing by juicing veggies . .. Patty is one of the experts on this! . .. It may be a pain . .. but it's very important that our body gets the necessary nutrients - and not just from supplements. If women only knew the flip side of implants, I don't think any of them would opt for them. Rogene

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> Leyna,

>

> It's hard to eat healthy on a soft food diet . . . I found that

out when I was having dental work done . .. According to Rubin, a

significant part of our diet needs to be raw . . .

>

> You can get around chewing by juicing veggies . .. Patty is one

of the experts on this! . ..

>

> It may be a pain . .. but it's very important that our body gets

the necessary nutrients - and not just from supplements.

>

> If women only knew the flip side of implants, I don't think any

of them would opt for them.

>

> Rogene

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August 29, 2006

Low sugar vegetables.

Kenda

>> Juices are awesome nutrient dense foods. But, you do need a good

> juicer.

>> Once you've made a commitment to juicing, you will see

> significant changes for the better, but you can also go into a

> herxheimer reaction that leaves you a little icky feeling. Been

> there, done that! Time to back off then.

>> But for cleansing, purging and purifying, juices are just the

> thing. You can buy a cheap juicer at Target or Walmart to get

> started, and see if it's your thing, but if it is, then you will want

> to invest in a good quality juicer, like the Green Life twin gear

> juicer.

>> Patty

>>

> Patty,

> I can't even have fruit right now, wo what do I juice?

> TerriP

>

>> Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:

>> Leyna,

>>

>> It's hard to eat healthy on a soft food diet . . . I found that

> out when I was having dental work done . .. According to Rubin, a

> significant part of our diet needs to be raw . . .

>>

>> You can get around chewing by juicing veggies . .. Patty is one

> of the experts on this! . ..

>>

>> It may be a pain . .. but it's very important that our body gets

> the necessary nutrients - and not just from supplements.

>>

>> If women only knew the flip side of implants, I don't think any

> of them would opt for them.

>>

>> Rogene

>>

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August 30, 2006

Juicing is seriously a pain though. I have a juicer, and tried it a couple of times...it was just too much hassle and I hated cleaning it up. And the thought of buying all those tons of veggies and fruits at one time, and then cleaning it all up....*shudders*Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote: Leyna, It's hard to eat healthy on a soft food diet . . . I found that out when I was having dental work done . .. According to Rubin, a significant part of our diet needs to be raw . . .

You can get around chewing by juicing veggies . .. Patty is one of the experts on this! . .. It may be a pain . .. but it's very important that our body gets the necessary nutrients - and not just from supplements. If women only knew the flip side of implants, I don't think any of them would opt for them. Rogene

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