Re: repeated contact by ps's office

[Guest guest]

Have you found someone to take the stitches out? Some doctors don't

want any part of working on someone who they didn't perform the

surgery on, so maybe before you totally write this one off, find out

if someone else will remove your stitches.

Sis

>

> I have received a few calls, and did speak to the manager today.

We

> talked for nearly an hour - she wants me to give their office

> another chance. She apologized profusely and basically relayed

that

> the ps doesn't always think before she speaks, and doesn't know

what

> she intended by saying 'we cried over your body because you had a

> beautiful result and NOW look at you'. Basically, we went in

> circles about her 'caring about me and respecting me and never

> wanting to hurt me' She asked me to be a 'teacher' and help the

ps

> learn from this, and speak to her on Monday. She admitted it was

> alot to ask a patient. I stressed that this is about her having a

> huge issue with explant without reimplantation, and she better

start

> referring these cases who come to her, and didn't appreciate being

> deceived in the process of choosing her.

>

> According to the staff, she is 'devastated, and astonished ' that

> this happened. Astonished is pretty amusing, considering you

can't

> really 'spin' what she said into something else. I mentioned all

> the comments right before surgery and of course, the mgr could not

> defend anything. She is a lovely person, so it was fine to speak

to

> her. She kept claiming the ps has such a great heart, and is a

> great person. I just said ' I don't buy that but it's irrelevant,

I

> pay for skill and professionalism, I never thought she'd win an

> award for her personality' I also made it clear I do not trust

her,

> and pointed out conflicting info she gave me. I let them know

they

> mislead me about her explant experience.

>

> I was repeatedly told that she is 'very scared' for my outcome and

> it's a 'very complicated' healing process (???) so I need to think

> about coming back.

>

> I am getting a formal fedex-d apology tomorrow. I let her know I

> will reply in my time, but I am focusing on my healing and can no

> longer engage in this drama - she crossed a line.

>

> She put the medical assistant on, and she implored me to think of

> medical questions - so, as I posted separately, she gave me a run

> down of how they do post op care. She offered to take the

stitches

> out for me in 4 wks, even if i get care elsewhere in the

meantime.

> I thought I should keep that option open until I could think about

> it further, because she said it could be when the ps is not

there, -

> also, she could even look at me next week to see how I am

healing.

> I said 'let me think about it, thank you for offering'.

>

> Then, as if she thought better of her offer, she told me she'd

have

> to check with the ps though, to make sure it was ok with her that

> she'd be seeing me and that she couldn't keep it from her

afterall.

> I interupted her to just forget it, I don't need anything from

her,

> and let's not put you in the middle of drama. I need to move on.

> She insisted on discussing this further with the mgr then.

>

> Anyhow, I don't want to continue putting energy into this. How

> dysfunctional. The last thing I want is the ps' assistant going

to

> her and asking if she can see me, as if I NEED something from her

or

> as if I am 'admitting' that she is the only one to give me proper

> care. I was just keeping my option open of having someone remove

> breast stitches who does it all the time, but now it doesn't sound

> worth it.

>

> they've exhausted me with rehashing everything! But now, I have at

> least gone on record with the practice mgr, and we'll see what

this

> letter brings.

>

[Guest guest]

hi Sis,

yes, my regular doctor is more than willing to continue care he

said. He just thought that when the stitches are ready the nurse

practioner can take them out - he said he'd assess if there was any

infection, how it was healing, etc. He also said he was very sorry

to hear about my experience. When I went for my physical in the

fall, he had said that if a woman has an opportunity to remove her

implants, she should, because they are better off, even if

they 'feel fine'. He is soo great - he is a rare, rare find - he

even advocates juicing. It is nice to give a doctor a thumb's up

> >

> > I have received a few calls, and did speak to the manager

today.

> We

> > talked for nearly an hour - she wants me to give their office

> > another chance. She apologized profusely and basically relayed

> that

> > the ps doesn't always think before she speaks, and doesn't know

> what

> > she intended by saying 'we cried over your body because you had

a

> > beautiful result and NOW look at you'. Basically, we went in

> > circles about her 'caring about me and respecting me and never

> > wanting to hurt me' She asked me to be a 'teacher' and help the

> ps

> > learn from this, and speak to her on Monday. She admitted it was

> > alot to ask a patient. I stressed that this is about her having

a

> > huge issue with explant without reimplantation, and she better

> start

> > referring these cases who come to her, and didn't appreciate

being

> > deceived in the process of choosing her.

> >

> > According to the staff, she is 'devastated, and astonished '

that

> > this happened. Astonished is pretty amusing, considering you

> can't

> > really 'spin' what she said into something else. I mentioned

all

> > the comments right before surgery and of course, the mgr could

not

> > defend anything. She is a lovely person, so it was fine to

speak

> to

> > her. She kept claiming the ps has such a great heart, and is a

> > great person. I just said ' I don't buy that but it's

irrelevant,

> I

> > pay for skill and professionalism, I never thought she'd win an

> > award for her personality' I also made it clear I do not trust

> her,

> > and pointed out conflicting info she gave me. I let them know

> they

> > mislead me about her explant experience.

> >

> > I was repeatedly told that she is 'very scared' for my outcome

and

> > it's a 'very complicated' healing process (???) so I need to

think

> > about coming back.

> >

> > I am getting a formal fedex-d apology tomorrow. I let her know

I

> > will reply in my time, but I am focusing on my healing and can

no

> > longer engage in this drama - she crossed a line.

> >

> > She put the medical assistant on, and she implored me to think

of

> > medical questions - so, as I posted separately, she gave me a

run

> > down of how they do post op care. She offered to take the

> stitches

> > out for me in 4 wks, even if i get care elsewhere in the

> meantime.

> > I thought I should keep that option open until I could think

about

> > it further, because she said it could be when the ps is not

> there, -

> > also, she could even look at me next week to see how I am

> healing.

> > I said 'let me think about it, thank you for offering'.

> >

> > Then, as if she thought better of her offer, she told me she'd

> have

> > to check with the ps though, to make sure it was ok with her

that

> > she'd be seeing me and that she couldn't keep it from her

> afterall.

> > I interupted her to just forget it, I don't need anything from

> her,

> > and let's not put you in the middle of drama. I need to move

on.

> > She insisted on discussing this further with the mgr then.

> >

> > Anyhow, I don't want to continue putting energy into this. How

> > dysfunctional. The last thing I want is the ps' assistant going

> to

> > her and asking if she can see me, as if I NEED something from

her

> or

> > as if I am 'admitting' that she is the only one to give me

proper

> > care. I was just keeping my option open of having someone

remove

> > breast stitches who does it all the time, but now it doesn't

sound

> > worth it.

> >

> > they've exhausted me with rehashing everything! But now, I have

at

> > least gone on record with the practice mgr, and we'll see what

> this

> > letter brings.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, . You are amazing. That is a very healthy decision you

made. I think you have initiated changed and healing for this

plastic surgeon, and you don't have to put yourself through excess

stress during your healing time.

God bless you for your strength & compassion, for yourself and others.

Love,

Sunny

>

> I have received a few calls, and did speak to the manager today.

We

> talked for nearly an hour - she wants me to give their office

> another chance. She apologized profusely and basically relayed

that

> the ps doesn't always think before she speaks, and doesn't know

what

> she intended by saying 'we cried over your body because you had a

> beautiful result and NOW look at you'. Basically, we went in

> circles about her 'caring about me and respecting me and never

> wanting to hurt me' She asked me to be a 'teacher' and help the ps

> learn from this, and speak to her on Monday. She admitted it was

> alot to ask a patient. I stressed that this is about her having a

> huge issue with explant without reimplantation, and she better

start

> referring these cases who come to her, and didn't appreciate being

> deceived in the process of choosing her.

>

> According to the staff, she is 'devastated, and astonished ' that

> this happened. Astonished is pretty amusing, considering you can't

> really 'spin' what she said into something else. I mentioned all

> the comments right before surgery and of course, the mgr could not

> defend anything. She is a lovely person, so it was fine to speak

to

> her. She kept claiming the ps has such a great heart, and is a

> great person. I just said ' I don't buy that but it's irrelevant,

I

> pay for skill and professionalism, I never thought she'd win an

> award for her personality' I also made it clear I do not trust

her,

> and pointed out conflicting info she gave me. I let them know they

> mislead me about her explant experience.

>

> I was repeatedly told that she is 'very scared' for my outcome and

> it's a 'very complicated' healing process (???) so I need to think

> about coming back.

>

> I am getting a formal fedex-d apology tomorrow. I let her know I

> will reply in my time, but I am focusing on my healing and can no

> longer engage in this drama - she crossed a line.

>

> She put the medical assistant on, and she implored me to think of

> medical questions - so, as I posted separately, she gave me a run

> down of how they do post op care. She offered to take the stitches

> out for me in 4 wks, even if i get care elsewhere in the meantime.

> I thought I should keep that option open until I could think about

> it further, because she said it could be when the ps is not there, -

> also, she could even look at me next week to see how I am healing.

> I said 'let me think about it, thank you for offering'.

>

> Then, as if she thought better of her offer, she told me she'd

have

> to check with the ps though, to make sure it was ok with her that

> she'd be seeing me and that she couldn't keep it from her afterall.

> I interupted her to just forget it, I don't need anything from her,

> and let's not put you in the middle of drama. I need to move on.

> She insisted on discussing this further with the mgr then.

>

> Anyhow, I don't want to continue putting energy into this. How

> dysfunctional. The last thing I want is the ps' assistant going to

> her and asking if she can see me, as if I NEED something from her

or

> as if I am 'admitting' that she is the only one to give me proper

> care. I was just keeping my option open of having someone remove

> breast stitches who does it all the time, but now it doesn't sound

> worth it.

>

> they've exhausted me with rehashing everything! But now, I have at

> least gone on record with the practice mgr, and we'll see what this

> letter brings.

>

[Guest guest]

,

ly, I am astonished that this PS is going to these lengths. What is up with that? What could possibly be her motivation?

Did she do something she thought was legally incriminating?

Did she promise to do something and then not deliver?

Did she jeopardize your explant in some way that might be discovered by some other doctor?

I just can't figure this one out. Something sounds just really fishy to me, but I am not sure why....

It's just that most PS's don't act this way. The words that come to mind are "childish," "immature," egotistical."

Why the fed-ex apology? What does she think you will do?

Maybe report her? (I would).

Wow, talk about drama!!!! Ugh! At one time I was hoping that we could add a good Chicago PS to our list, but my hopes are seriously dashed about that!

Patty

repeated contact by ps's office

I have received a few calls, and did speak to the manager today. We talked for nearly an hour - she wants me to give their office another chance. She apologized profusely and basically relayed that the ps doesn't always think before she speaks, and doesn't know what she intended by saying 'we cried over your body because you had a beautiful result and NOW look at you'. Basically, we went in circles about her 'caring about me and respecting me and never wanting to hurt me' She asked me to be a 'teacher' and help the ps learn from this, and speak to her on Monday. She admitted it was alot to ask a patient. I stressed that this is about her having a huge issue with explant without reimplantation, and she better start referring these cases who come to her, and didn't appreciate being deceived in the process of choosing her. According to the staff, she is 'devastated, and astonished ' that this happened. Astonished

is pretty amusing, considering you can't really 'spin' what she said into something else. I mentioned all the comments right before surgery and of course, the mgr could not defend anything. She is a lovely person, so it was fine to speak to her. She kept claiming the ps has such a great heart, and is a great person. I just said ' I don't buy that but it's irrelevant, I pay for skill and professionalism, I never thought she'd win an award for her personality' I also made it clear I do not trust her, and pointed out conflicting info she gave me. I let them know they mislead me about her explant experience.I was repeatedly told that she is 'very scared' for my outcome and it's a 'very complicated' healing process (???) so I need to think about coming back.I am getting a formal fedex-d apology tomorrow. I let her know I will reply in my time, but I am focusing on my healing and can no longer engage in this

drama - she crossed a line.She put the medical assistant on, and she implored me to think of medical questions - so, as I posted separately, she gave me a run down of how they do post op care. She offered to take the stitches out for me in 4 wks, even if i get care elsewhere in the meantime. I thought I should keep that option open until I could think about it further, because she said it could be when the ps is not there, - also, she could even look at me next week to see how I am healing. I said 'let me think about it, thank you for offering'.Then, as if she thought better of her offer, she told me she'd have to check with the ps though, to make sure it was ok with her that she'd be seeing me and that she couldn't keep it from her afterall. I interupted her to just forget it, I don't need anything from her, and let's not put you in the middle of drama. I need to move on. She insisted on discussing this

further with the mgr then. Anyhow, I don't want to continue putting energy into this. How dysfunctional. The last thing I want is the ps' assistant going to her and asking if she can see me, as if I NEED something from her or as if I am 'admitting' that she is the only one to give me proper care. I was just keeping my option open of having someone remove breast stitches who does it all the time, but now it doesn't sound worth it. they've exhausted me with rehashing everything! But now, I have at least gone on record with the practice mgr, and we'll see what this letter brings.

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[Guest guest]

That's great!! It's so nice when you find a doctor that you're

really comfortable with, I've been pretty blessed with good doctors

who listen to me!! Best wishes with your healing.

Sis

> > >

> > > I have received a few calls, and did speak to the manager

> today.

> > We

> > > talked for nearly an hour - she wants me to give their office

> > > another chance. She apologized profusely and basically

relayed

> > that

> > > the ps doesn't always think before she speaks, and doesn't

know

> > what

> > > she intended by saying 'we cried over your body because you

had

> a

> > > beautiful result and NOW look at you'. Basically, we went in

> > > circles about her 'caring about me and respecting me and never

> > > wanting to hurt me' She asked me to be a 'teacher' and help

the

> > ps

> > > learn from this, and speak to her on Monday. She admitted it

was

> > > alot to ask a patient. I stressed that this is about her

having

> a

> > > huge issue with explant without reimplantation, and she better

> > start

> > > referring these cases who come to her, and didn't appreciate

> being

> > > deceived in the process of choosing her.

> > >

> > > According to the staff, she is 'devastated, and astonished '

> that

> > > this happened. Astonished is pretty amusing, considering you

> > can't

> > > really 'spin' what she said into something else. I mentioned

> all

> > > the comments right before surgery and of course, the mgr could

> not

> > > defend anything. She is a lovely person, so it was fine to

> speak

> > to

> > > her. She kept claiming the ps has such a great heart, and is

a

> > > great person. I just said ' I don't buy that but it's

> irrelevant,

> > I

> > > pay for skill and professionalism, I never thought she'd win

an

> > > award for her personality' I also made it clear I do not

trust

> > her,

> > > and pointed out conflicting info she gave me. I let them know

> > they

> > > mislead me about her explant experience.

> > >

> > > I was repeatedly told that she is 'very scared' for my outcome

> and

> > > it's a 'very complicated' healing process (???) so I need to

> think

> > > about coming back.

> > >

> > > I am getting a formal fedex-d apology tomorrow. I let her

know

> I

> > > will reply in my time, but I am focusing on my healing and can

> no

> > > longer engage in this drama - she crossed a line.

> > >

> > > She put the medical assistant on, and she implored me to think

> of

> > > medical questions - so, as I posted separately, she gave me a

> run

> > > down of how they do post op care. She offered to take the

> > stitches

> > > out for me in 4 wks, even if i get care elsewhere in the

> > meantime.

> > > I thought I should keep that option open until I could think

> about

> > > it further, because she said it could be when the ps is not

> > there, -

> > > also, she could even look at me next week to see how I am

> > healing.

> > > I said 'let me think about it, thank you for offering'.

> > >

> > > Then, as if she thought better of her offer, she told me

she'd

> > have

> > > to check with the ps though, to make sure it was ok with her

> that

> > > she'd be seeing me and that she couldn't keep it from her

> > afterall.

> > > I interupted her to just forget it, I don't need anything from

> > her,

> > > and let's not put you in the middle of drama. I need to move

> on.

> > > She insisted on discussing this further with the mgr then.

> > >

> > > Anyhow, I don't want to continue putting energy into this.

How

> > > dysfunctional. The last thing I want is the ps' assistant

going

> > to

> > > her and asking if she can see me, as if I NEED something from

> her

> > or

> > > as if I am 'admitting' that she is the only one to give me

> proper

> > > care. I was just keeping my option open of having someone

> remove

> > > breast stitches who does it all the time, but now it doesn't

> sound

> > > worth it.

> > >

> > > they've exhausted me with rehashing everything! But now, I

have

> at

> > > least gone on record with the practice mgr, and we'll see what

> > this

> > > letter brings.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

Sure, get the fed-x'd letter, but if it were me, I would move on from there, like you have decided. I wouldn't spend too much time talking to the managers and assistants-- that just perpetuates the drama and the connection.

Your PS sounds psychologically unstable, or else guilty of something. Could she have lied about something that could get her into trouble? Does she have proper credentials? She is way over the top.

Your doc sounds great. Count your blessings and move on. Your life is waiting!

Bindi

repeated contact by ps's office

I have received a few calls, and did speak to the manager today. We talked for nearly an hour - she wants me to give their office another chance. She apologized profusely and basically relayed that the ps doesn't always think before she speaks, and doesn't know what she intended by saying 'we cried over your body because you had a beautiful result and NOW look at you'. Basically, we went in circles about her 'caring about me and respecting me and never wanting to hurt me' She asked me to be a 'teacher' and help the ps learn from this, and speak to her on Monday. She admitted it was alot to ask a patient. I stressed that this is about her having a huge issue with explant without reimplantation, and she better start referring these cases who come to her, and didn't appreciate being deceived in the process of choosing her. According to the staff, she is 'devastated, and astonished ' that this happened. Astonished is pretty amusing, considering you can't really 'spin' what she said into something else. I mentioned all the comments right before surgery and of course, the mgr could not defend anything. She is a lovely person, so it was fine to speak to her. She kept claiming the ps has such a great heart, and is a great person. I just said ' I don't buy that but it's irrelevant, I pay for skill and professionalism, I never thought she'd win an award for her personality' I also made it clear I do not trust her, and pointed out conflicting info she gave me. I let them know they mislead me about her explant experience.I was repeatedly told that she is 'very scared' for my outcome and it's a 'very complicated' healing process (???) so I need to think about coming back.I am getting a formal fedex-d apology tomorrow. I let her know I will reply in my time, but I am focusing on my healing and can no longer engage in this drama - she crossed a line.She put the medical assistant on, and she implored me to think of medical questions - so, as I posted separately, she gave me a run down of how they do post op care. She offered to take the stitches out for me in 4 wks, even if i get care elsewhere in the meantime. I thought I should keep that option open until I could think about it further, because she said it could be when the ps is not there, - also, she could even look at me next week to see how I am healing. I said 'let me think about it, thank you for offering'.Then, as if she thought better of her offer, she told me she'd have to check with the ps though, to make sure it was ok with her that she'd be seeing me and that she couldn't keep it from her afterall. I interupted her to just forget it, I don't need anything from her, and let's not put you in the middle of drama. I need to move on. She insisted on discussing this further with the mgr then. Anyhow, I don't want to continue putting energy into this. How dysfunctional. The last thing I want is the ps' assistant going to her and asking if she can see me, as if I NEED something from her or as if I am 'admitting' that she is the only one to give me proper care. I was just keeping my option open of having someone remove breast stitches who does it all the time, but now it doesn't sound worth it. they've exhausted me with rehashing everything! But now, I have at least gone on record with the practice mgr, and we'll see what this letter brings.

[Guest guest]

hi Patty,

I know - I can't figure out why no one is dropping this either. If

she is so well known and she has her name in a magazine every month,

why is she worried about me? When I suggested that people have left

her in the past for her running her mouth off, the mgr was very

quiet.

I kept thinking that if they are thinking I would sue her, they

would have record showing that they tried to give me care but I

refused, in case something went wrong.

I am going to believe that all is well with my surgery - I kind of

have to have that mind set.

>

> ,

> ly, I am astonished that this PS is going to these lengths.

What is up with that? What could possibly be her motivation?

>

> Did she do something she thought was legally incriminating?

>

> Did she promise to do something and then not deliver?

>

> Did she jeopardize your explant in some way that might be

discovered by some other doctor?

>

> I just can't figure this one out. Something sounds just really

fishy to me, but I am not sure why....

>

> It's just that most PS's don't act this way. The words that come

to mind are " childish, " " immature, " egotistical. "

>

> Why the fed-ex apology? What does she think you will do?

>

> Maybe report her? (I would).

>

> Wow, talk about drama!!!! Ugh! At one time I was hoping that we

could add a good Chicago PS to our list, but my hopes are seriously

dashed about that!

> Patty

>

>

> repeated contact by ps's office

>

> I have received a few calls, and did speak to the manager today.

We

> talked for nearly an hour - she wants me to give their office

> another chance. She apologized profusely and basically relayed

that

> the ps doesn't always think before she speaks, and doesn't know

what

> she intended by saying 'we cried over your body because you had a

> beautiful result and NOW look at you'. Basically, we went in

> circles about her 'caring about me and respecting me and never

> wanting to hurt me' She asked me to be a 'teacher' and help the ps

> learn from this, and speak to her on Monday. She admitted it was

> alot to ask a patient. I stressed that this is about her having a

> huge issue with explant without reimplantation, and she better

start

> referring these cases who come to her, and didn't appreciate being

> deceived in the process of choosing her.

>

> According to the staff, she is 'devastated, and astonished ' that

> this happened. Astonished is pretty amusing, considering you can't

> really 'spin' what she said into something else. I mentioned all

> the comments right before surgery and of course, the mgr could not

> defend anything. She is a lovely person, so it was fine to speak

to

> her. She kept claiming the ps has such a great heart, and is a

> great person. I just said ' I don't buy that but it's irrelevant,

I

> pay for skill and professionalism, I never thought she'd win an

> award for her personality' I also made it clear I do not trust

her,

> and pointed out conflicting info she gave me. I let them know they

> mislead me about her explant experience.

>

> I was repeatedly told that she is 'very scared' for my outcome and

> it's a 'very complicated' healing process (???) so I need to think

> about coming back.

>

> I am getting a formal fedex-d apology tomorrow. I let her know I

> will reply in my time, but I am focusing on my healing and can no

> longer engage in this drama - she crossed a line.

>

> She put the medical assistant on, and she implored me to think of

> medical questions - so, as I posted separately, she gave me a run

> down of how they do post op care. She offered to take the stitches

> out for me in 4 wks, even if i get care elsewhere in the meantime.

> I thought I should keep that option open until I could think about

> it further, because she said it could be when the ps is not

there, -

> also, she could even look at me next week to see how I am healing.

> I said 'let me think about it, thank you for offering'.

>

> Then, as if she thought better of her offer, she told me she'd

have

> to check with the ps though, to make sure it was ok with her that

> she'd be seeing me and that she couldn't keep it from her

afterall.

> I interupted her to just forget it, I don't need anything from

her,

> and let's not put you in the middle of drama. I need to move on.

> She insisted on discussing this further with the mgr then.

>

> Anyhow, I don't want to continue putting energy into this. How

> dysfunctional. The last thing I want is the ps' assistant going to

> her and asking if she can see me, as if I NEED something from her

or

> as if I am 'admitting' that she is the only one to give me proper

> care. I was just keeping my option open of having someone remove

> breast stitches who does it all the time, but now it doesn't sound

> worth it.

>

> they've exhausted me with rehashing everything! But now, I have at

> least gone on record with the practice mgr, and we'll see what

this

> letter brings.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I know!! I agree Lynda!! I finally talked to the mgr because I

said I would and wanted to go on record with her, but it needs to

stop after this. I forgot after surgery how easily you can get

wiped out.

>

> >I have received a few calls, and did speak to the manager today.

We

> >talked for nearly an hour - she wants me to give their office

> >another chance. She apologized profusely and basically relayed

that

> >the ps doesn't always think before she speaks, and doesn't know

what

> >she intended by saying 'we cried over your body because you had a

> >beautiful result and NOW look at you'. Basically, we went in

> >circles about her 'caring about me and respecting me and never

> >wanting to hurt me' She asked me to be a 'teacher' and help the ps

> >learn from this, and speak to her on Monday. She admitted it was

> >alot to ask a patient. I stressed that this is about her having a

> >huge issue with explant without reimplantation, and she better

start

> >referring these cases who come to her, and didn't appreciate being

> >deceived in the process of choosing her.

>

[Guest guest]

Perhaps the reason why she is worried IS because she's well known

and has her name in a magazine every month, and doesn't want bad

publicity. Or it could be that she's worried about being sued and

is Fed-Exing the apology or whatever so she has proof of sending it

to you. There will be a paper trail, and I wonder if they checked

off that someone has to sign for the letter instead of simply

leaving it on your doorstep if no one is home.

Sis

> >

> > ,

> > ly, I am astonished that this PS is going to these

lengths.

> What is up with that? What could possibly be her motivation?

> >

> > Did she do something she thought was legally incriminating?

> >

> > Did she promise to do something and then not deliver?

> >

> > Did she jeopardize your explant in some way that might be

> discovered by some other doctor?

> >

> > I just can't figure this one out. Something sounds just really

> fishy to me, but I am not sure why....

> >

> > It's just that most PS's don't act this way. The words that

come

> to mind are " childish, " " immature, " egotistical. "

> >

> > Why the fed-ex apology? What does she think you will do?

> >

> > Maybe report her? (I would).

> >

> > Wow, talk about drama!!!! Ugh! At one time I was hoping that

we

> could add a good Chicago PS to our list, but my hopes are

seriously

> dashed about that!

> > Patty

> >

> >

> > repeated contact by ps's office

> >

> > I have received a few calls, and did speak to the manager today.

> We

> > talked for nearly an hour - she wants me to give their office

> > another chance. She apologized profusely and basically relayed

> that

> > the ps doesn't always think before she speaks, and doesn't know

> what

> > she intended by saying 'we cried over your body because you had

a

> > beautiful result and NOW look at you'. Basically, we went in

> > circles about her 'caring about me and respecting me and never

> > wanting to hurt me' She asked me to be a 'teacher' and help the

ps

> > learn from this, and speak to her on Monday. She admitted it was

> > alot to ask a patient. I stressed that this is about her having

a

> > huge issue with explant without reimplantation, and she better

> start

> > referring these cases who come to her, and didn't appreciate

being

> > deceived in the process of choosing her.

> >

> > According to the staff, she is 'devastated, and astonished '

that

> > this happened. Astonished is pretty amusing, considering you

can't

> > really 'spin' what she said into something else. I mentioned all

> > the comments right before surgery and of course, the mgr could

not

> > defend anything. She is a lovely person, so it was fine to speak

> to

> > her. She kept claiming the ps has such a great heart, and is a

> > great person. I just said ' I don't buy that but it's

irrelevant,

> I

> > pay for skill and professionalism, I never thought she'd win an

> > award for her personality' I also made it clear I do not trust

> her,

> > and pointed out conflicting info she gave me. I let them know

they

> > mislead me about her explant experience.

> >

> > I was repeatedly told that she is 'very scared' for my outcome

and

> > it's a 'very complicated' healing process (???) so I need to

think

> > about coming back.

> >

> > I am getting a formal fedex-d apology tomorrow. I let her know I

> > will reply in my time, but I am focusing on my healing and can

no

> > longer engage in this drama - she crossed a line.

> >

> > She put the medical assistant on, and she implored me to think

of

> > medical questions - so, as I posted separately, she gave me a

run

> > down of how they do post op care. She offered to take the

stitches

> > out for me in 4 wks, even if i get care elsewhere in the

meantime.

> > I thought I should keep that option open until I could think

about

> > it further, because she said it could be when the ps is not

> there, -

> > also, she could even look at me next week to see how I am

healing.

> > I said 'let me think about it, thank you for offering'.

> >

> > Then, as if she thought better of her offer, she told me she'd

> have

> > to check with the ps though, to make sure it was ok with her

that

> > she'd be seeing me and that she couldn't keep it from her

> afterall.

> > I interupted her to just forget it, I don't need anything from

> her,

> > and let's not put you in the middle of drama. I need to move on.

> > She insisted on discussing this further with the mgr then.

> >

> > Anyhow, I don't want to continue putting energy into this. How

> > dysfunctional. The last thing I want is the ps' assistant going

to

> > her and asking if she can see me, as if I NEED something from

her

> or

> > as if I am 'admitting' that she is the only one to give me

proper

> > care. I was just keeping my option open of having someone remove

> > breast stitches who does it all the time, but now it doesn't

sound

> > worth it.

> >

> > they've exhausted me with rehashing everything! But now, I have

at

> > least gone on record with the practice mgr, and we'll see what

> this

> > letter brings.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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> > Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.

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>

[Guest guest]

, dear,

A stirred pot....gosh, I don't remember any more than that! I call it

silicone brain! But it has to do with...no one in this grand

'hissy-fit' seems to be able to drop it! Including you! It could have

been so simple, handled quietly in a private conversation between you

and Dr. Plastic Surgeon. Men would have settled this 'immediament,' in

my poor French. I've always liked that particular quality in men, that

they 'keep their eye on the ball.'

Somehow you and Dr. Plastic Surgeon set each other off. This often

means there's a greater similarity between the parties than might appear

on the surface. I'm not intending to be insulting here, , just

blunt. Maturing is a long slow process, and many of us women didn't

have good role models; my mother was an alcoholic 'girl' who never grew

up! I had to learn how from others. Both you and Dr. Plastic Surgeon

somewhere deep down are not very secure. I want to give you each a hug,

or...perhaps a 'time out!'

Does anyone else want to change the subject? Not from 's

healing, but from the 'did, too,' 'did not,' 'did, too,' 'did not,'

dialogue that's been absorbing most of the energy of the group??

Come on, ! How are you coming in reading Quantum Healing? I

bought it and have started...I bought it because I looked it up after

you mentioned it, and found it looked interesting!

Shalom,

[Guest guest]

Dear Kenda,

You have good ideas, good sense, I'm interested in what you have to

say...Why the edge in the voice? It sounds as if you're upset with

me? ~~

>

> No, I don't feel the need to change the subject. If feels

the need

> to discuss her feelings regarding her explant experience, that's

entirely up

> to her. I'll let her make the decision when to terminate the ongoing

> discussions. I would never be so bold as to tell her why she feels

the way

> she does either...

>

> Kenda

[Guest guest]

Well, Kenda, you could've fooled me! I don't think you're being

honest with me. JMHO. We'll drop it then, if you wish. No need to

try to understand each other better--this is _not_ MHO. ~~

>

> ,

>

> I'm not upset with you in the least.

>

> Kenda

>

>

> > Dear Kenda,

> > You have good ideas, good sense, I'm interested in what you have to

> > say...Why the edge in the voice? It sounds as if you're upset with

> > me? ~~

>

[Guest guest]

hi Sis,

I just came home and got the letter - it was at the door, so I

didn't need to sign. Yup, it totally is a 'just in case she's sued

letter' - it's NOT an apology, it makes me sound hysterical and

irrational - ie 'refusing treatment' that type of stuff. She knows

I am upset and hurt, but I have to remember I need care. She needs

to make sure I don't have a seroma, this is an urgent and dangerous

situation, blah blah blah. She also claims she tried reaching me

many times and left several messages. Just ONE in reality was left

by her. It's pure CYA stuff - I'm sure her lawyer proofed it as

well. Now they need to go away.

> > >

> > > ,

> > > ly, I am astonished that this PS is going to these

> lengths.

> > What is up with that? What could possibly be her motivation?

> > >

> > > Did she do something she thought was legally incriminating?

> > >

> > > Did she promise to do something and then not deliver?

> > >

> > > Did she jeopardize your explant in some way that might be

> > discovered by some other doctor?

> > >

> > > I just can't figure this one out. Something sounds just really

> > fishy to me, but I am not sure why....

> > >

> > > It's just that most PS's don't act this way. The words that

> come

> > to mind are " childish, " " immature, " egotistical. "

> > >

> > > Why the fed-ex apology? What does she think you will do?

> > >

> > > Maybe report her? (I would).

> > >

> > > Wow, talk about drama!!!! Ugh! At one time I was hoping that

> we

> > could add a good Chicago PS to our list, but my hopes are

> seriously

> > dashed about that!

> > > Patty

> > >

> > >

> > > repeated contact by ps's office

> > >

> > > I have received a few calls, and did speak to the manager

today.

> > We

> > > talked for nearly an hour - she wants me to give their office

> > > another chance. She apologized profusely and basically relayed

> > that

> > > the ps doesn't always think before she speaks, and doesn't

know

> > what

> > > she intended by saying 'we cried over your body because you

had

> a

> > > beautiful result and NOW look at you'. Basically, we went in

> > > circles about her 'caring about me and respecting me and never

> > > wanting to hurt me' She asked me to be a 'teacher' and help

the

> ps

> > > learn from this, and speak to her on Monday. She admitted it

was

> > > alot to ask a patient. I stressed that this is about her

having

> a

> > > huge issue with explant without reimplantation, and she better

> > start

> > > referring these cases who come to her, and didn't appreciate

> being

> > > deceived in the process of choosing her.

> > >

> > > According to the staff, she is 'devastated, and astonished '

> that

> > > this happened. Astonished is pretty amusing, considering you

> can't

> > > really 'spin' what she said into something else. I mentioned

all

> > > the comments right before surgery and of course, the mgr could

> not

> > > defend anything. She is a lovely person, so it was fine to

speak

> > to

> > > her. She kept claiming the ps has such a great heart, and is a

> > > great person. I just said ' I don't buy that but it's

> irrelevant,

> > I

> > > pay for skill and professionalism, I never thought she'd win

an

> > > award for her personality' I also made it clear I do not trust

> > her,

> > > and pointed out conflicting info she gave me. I let them know

> they

> > > mislead me about her explant experience.

> > >

> > > I was repeatedly told that she is 'very scared' for my outcome

> and

> > > it's a 'very complicated' healing process (???) so I need to

> think

> > > about coming back.

> > >

> > > I am getting a formal fedex-d apology tomorrow. I let her know

I

> > > will reply in my time, but I am focusing on my healing and can

> no

> > > longer engage in this drama - she crossed a line.

> > >

> > > She put the medical assistant on, and she implored me to think

> of

> > > medical questions - so, as I posted separately, she gave me a

> run

> > > down of how they do post op care. She offered to take the

> stitches

> > > out for me in 4 wks, even if i get care elsewhere in the

> meantime.

> > > I thought I should keep that option open until I could think

> about

> > > it further, because she said it could be when the ps is not

> > there, -

> > > also, she could even look at me next week to see how I am

> healing.

> > > I said 'let me think about it, thank you for offering'.

> > >

> > > Then, as if she thought better of her offer, she told me she'd

> > have

> > > to check with the ps though, to make sure it was ok with her

> that

> > > she'd be seeing me and that she couldn't keep it from her

> > afterall.

> > > I interupted her to just forget it, I don't need anything from

> > her,

> > > and let's not put you in the middle of drama. I need to move

on.

> > > She insisted on discussing this further with the mgr then.

> > >

> > > Anyhow, I don't want to continue putting energy into this. How

> > > dysfunctional. The last thing I want is the ps' assistant

going

> to

> > > her and asking if she can see me, as if I NEED something from

> her

> > or

> > > as if I am 'admitting' that she is the only one to give me

> proper

> > > care. I was just keeping my option open of having someone

remove

> > > breast stitches who does it all the time, but now it doesn't

> sound

> > > worth it.

> > >

> > > they've exhausted me with rehashing everything! But now, I

have

> at

> > > least gone on record with the practice mgr, and we'll see what

> > this

> > > letter brings.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

_____________________________________________________________________

> > _______________

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> > > Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.

> > > http://voice.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

you crack me up. I am going to wrestle that copy of Quantum Healing

out of your hands for comparing me to the Wicked Witch ouch, I

forget I musn't use my arms like that. Short of changing my number

and moving I can't quite help them leaving messages and letters -

and let's face it, I DID have to talk to the manager, THAT is the

constructive thing to do. I am quite content on my new path, but

this IS the place to vent afterall, and warn other women. If you

don't like venting, you should join the Cyber Chess Club. A great

deal of maturity, mon chere, , IS standing up for oneself.

L'Chaim, you upstart

PS I haven't actually started Quantum Healing yet, I watched a video

on it and am finishing two other books first - what do you think?

--- In , Crocker <dwcrn@...>

wrote:

>

> , dear,

> A stirred pot....gosh, I don't remember any more than that! I

call it

> silicone brain! But it has to do with...no one in this grand

> 'hissy-fit' seems to be able to drop it! Including you! It could

have

> been so simple, handled quietly in a private conversation between

you

> and Dr. Plastic Surgeon. Men would have settled

this 'immediament,' in

> my poor French. I've always liked that particular quality in men,

that

> they 'keep their eye on the ball.'

> Somehow you and Dr. Plastic Surgeon set each other off. This

often

> means there's a greater similarity between the parties than might

appear

> on the surface. I'm not intending to be insulting here, ,

just

> blunt. Maturing is a long slow process, and many of us women

didn't

> have good role models; my mother was an alcoholic 'girl' who never

grew

> up! I had to learn how from others. Both you and Dr. Plastic

Surgeon

> somewhere deep down are not very secure. I want to give you each

a hug,

> or...perhaps a 'time out!'

> Does anyone else want to change the subject? Not from 's

> healing, but from the 'did, too,' 'did not,' 'did, too,' 'did

not,'

> dialogue that's been absorbing most of the energy of the group??

> Come on, ! How are you coming in reading Quantum Healing?

I

> bought it and have started...I bought it because I looked it up

after

> you mentioned it, and found it looked interesting!

> Shalom,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gawd, don't you just hate this continuing drama. Doesn't this just

drain you mentally and emotionally?

Can you check a caller ID before answering the phone?

These are the people I need the least in my life, the ones who

continually create chaos and drama.

Lynda

At 05:02 PM 12/1/2006, you wrote:

>I have received a few calls, and did speak to the manager today. We

>talked for nearly an hour - she wants me to give their office

>another chance. She apologized profusely and basically relayed that

>the ps doesn't always think before she speaks, and doesn't know what

>she intended by saying 'we cried over your body because you had a

>beautiful result and NOW look at you'. Basically, we went in

>circles about her 'caring about me and respecting me and never

>wanting to hurt me' She asked me to be a 'teacher' and help the ps

>learn from this, and speak to her on Monday. She admitted it was

>alot to ask a patient. I stressed that this is about her having a

>huge issue with explant without reimplantation, and she better start

>referring these cases who come to her, and didn't appreciate being

>deceived in the process of choosing her.

[Guest guest]

, I find your post very invalidating and hurtful. To call what

has been through a " hissy fit " reduces her situation merely

to a " cat fight " . If asserting oneself to protect against abuse makes

you uncomfortable, then maybe that's what could be said...not to put

down what has done for herself. and giving a healthy example

for others to follow. It takes maturity to face what's really going

on and to deal with it directly and honestly. That's what is

doing, I believe.

This whole topic has been a wonderful chance for women to empower

themselves. Somehow, I think you missed that. You sound very bitter

and cutting in your remarks.

Onward in the spirit of freedom to express one's feelings, in a safe

manner.

God bless everyone,

Sunny

>

> , dear,

> A stirred pot....gosh, I don't remember any more than that! I call

it

> silicone brain! But it has to do with...no one in this grand

> 'hissy-fit' seems to be able to drop it! Including you! It could

have

> been so simple, handled quietly in a private conversation between

you

> and Dr. Plastic Surgeon. Men would have settled

this 'immediament,' in

> my poor French. I've always liked that particular quality in men,

that

> they 'keep their eye on the ball.'

> Somehow you and Dr. Plastic Surgeon set each other off. This often

> means there's a greater similarity between the parties than might

appear

> on the surface. I'm not intending to be insulting here, ,

just

> blunt. Maturing is a long slow process, and many of us women

didn't

> have good role models; my mother was an alcoholic 'girl' who never

grew

> up! I had to learn how from others. Both you and Dr. Plastic

Surgeon

> somewhere deep down are not very secure. I want to give you each a

hug,

> or...perhaps a 'time out!'

> Does anyone else want to change the subject? Not from 's

> healing, but from the 'did, too,' 'did not,' 'did, too,' 'did not,'

> dialogue that's been absorbing most of the energy of the group??

> Come on, ! How are you coming in reading Quantum Healing?

I

> bought it and have started...I bought it because I looked it up

after

> you mentioned it, and found it looked interesting!

> Shalom,

>

>

[Guest guest]

, clearly you need to have peace now. I really feel for ya!

Take whatever step you need to, and then surround yourself with

loving, supportive folks. You deserve it!

I'm praying for your p.s., as we " speak " ...God knows her troubles and

can help her...you have behaved in a manner that will facilitate

healing for her, if she sees what's going on. If not now, you

certainly have planted a huge seed that will grow in her with God's

watering. He knows when we're ready to hear and change.

You're a courageous woman! Keep on Keeping On!

Nurturing Candlelight, Massage, Healthy Treats & Lots of Hugs

(((()))),

Love, Sunny

- In , " Emerald Kittee "

<emeraldkittee@...> wrote:

>

> hi Sis,

>

> I just came home and got the letter - it was at the door, so I

> didn't need to sign. Yup, it totally is a 'just in case she's

sued

> letter' - it's NOT an apology, it makes me sound hysterical and

> irrational - ie 'refusing treatment' that type of stuff. She knows

> I am upset and hurt, but I have to remember I need care. She

needs

> to make sure I don't have a seroma, this is an urgent and dangerous

> situation, blah blah blah. She also claims she tried reaching me

> many times and left several messages. Just ONE in reality was left

> by her. It's pure CYA stuff - I'm sure her lawyer proofed it as

> well. Now they need to go away.

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > > ly, I am astonished that this PS is going to these

> > lengths.

> > > What is up with that? What could possibly be her motivation?

> > > >

> > > > Did she do something she thought was legally incriminating?

> > > >

> > > > Did she promise to do something and then not deliver?

> > > >

> > > > Did she jeopardize your explant in some way that might be

> > > discovered by some other doctor?

> > > >

> > > > I just can't figure this one out. Something sounds just

really

> > > fishy to me, but I am not sure why....

> > > >

> > > > It's just that most PS's don't act this way. The words that

> > come

> > > to mind are " childish, " " immature, " egotistical. "

> > > >

> > > > Why the fed-ex apology? What does she think you will do?

> > > >

> > > > Maybe report her? (I would).

> > > >

> > > > Wow, talk about drama!!!! Ugh! At one time I was hoping

that

> > we

> > > could add a good Chicago PS to our list, but my hopes are

> > seriously

> > > dashed about that!

> > > > Patty

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > repeated contact by ps's office

> > > >

> > > > I have received a few calls, and did speak to the manager

> today.

> > > We

> > > > talked for nearly an hour - she wants me to give their office

> > > > another chance. She apologized profusely and basically

relayed

> > > that

> > > > the ps doesn't always think before she speaks, and doesn't

> know

> > > what

> > > > she intended by saying 'we cried over your body because you

> had

> > a

> > > > beautiful result and NOW look at you'. Basically, we went in

> > > > circles about her 'caring about me and respecting me and

never

> > > > wanting to hurt me' She asked me to be a 'teacher' and help

> the

> > ps

> > > > learn from this, and speak to her on Monday. She admitted it

> was

> > > > alot to ask a patient. I stressed that this is about her

> having

> > a

> > > > huge issue with explant without reimplantation, and she

better

> > > start

> > > > referring these cases who come to her, and didn't appreciate

> > being

> > > > deceived in the process of choosing her.

> > > >

> > > > According to the staff, she is 'devastated, and astonished '

> > that

> > > > this happened. Astonished is pretty amusing, considering you

> > can't

> > > > really 'spin' what she said into something else. I mentioned

> all

> > > > the comments right before surgery and of course, the mgr

could

> > not

> > > > defend anything. She is a lovely person, so it was fine to

> speak

> > > to

> > > > her. She kept claiming the ps has such a great heart, and is

a

> > > > great person. I just said ' I don't buy that but it's

> > irrelevant,

> > > I

> > > > pay for skill and professionalism, I never thought she'd win

> an

> > > > award for her personality' I also made it clear I do not

trust

> > > her,

> > > > and pointed out conflicting info she gave me. I let them know

> > they

> > > > mislead me about her explant experience.

> > > >

> > > > I was repeatedly told that she is 'very scared' for my

outcome

> > and

> > > > it's a 'very complicated' healing process (???) so I need to

> > think

> > > > about coming back.

> > > >

> > > > I am getting a formal fedex-d apology tomorrow. I let her

know

> I

> > > > will reply in my time, but I am focusing on my healing and

can

> > no

> > > > longer engage in this drama - she crossed a line.

> > > >

> > > > She put the medical assistant on, and she implored me to

think

> > of

> > > > medical questions - so, as I posted separately, she gave me a

> > run

> > > > down of how they do post op care. She offered to take the

> > stitches

> > > > out for me in 4 wks, even if i get care elsewhere in the

> > meantime.

> > > > I thought I should keep that option open until I could think

> > about

> > > > it further, because she said it could be when the ps is not

> > > there, -

> > > > also, she could even look at me next week to see how I am

> > healing.

> > > > I said 'let me think about it, thank you for offering'.

> > > >

> > > > Then, as if she thought better of her offer, she told me

she'd

> > > have

> > > > to check with the ps though, to make sure it was ok with her

> > that

> > > > she'd be seeing me and that she couldn't keep it from her

> > > afterall.

> > > > I interupted her to just forget it, I don't need anything

from

> > > her,

> > > > and let's not put you in the middle of drama. I need to move

> on.

> > > > She insisted on discussing this further with the mgr then.

> > > >

> > > > Anyhow, I don't want to continue putting energy into this.

How

> > > > dysfunctional. The last thing I want is the ps' assistant

> going

> > to

> > > > her and asking if she can see me, as if I NEED something from

> > her

> > > or

> > > > as if I am 'admitting' that she is the only one to give me

> > proper

> > > > care. I was just keeping my option open of having someone

> remove

> > > > breast stitches who does it all the time, but now it doesn't

> > sound

> > > > worth it.

> > > >

> > > > they've exhausted me with rehashing everything! But now, I

> have

> > at

> > > > least gone on record with the practice mgr, and we'll see

what

> > > this

> > > > letter brings.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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