Re: : the Many Ketogenic diets!!

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Thanks, I knew you would have some good resources to share! I will read these

over the weekend.

 

 

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>To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured >

>Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 10:51 AM

>Subject: : the Many Ketogenic diets!!

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>The debate about the danger of ketosis is ongoing. And some of the children on

the Epilepsy diet have experienced complications because of it

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>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet

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>I read this and other negative stuff about it early on and it concerned me

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>I did the Atkins diet. And found much relief in ketosis on that diet but also

had all the worry that goes with this and stopped doing it beause of my worries,

I tried to just do low carb, and did OKish, but as soon as I ovulated all the

usual stuff returned

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>The other problem I had with the Atkins diet was I could not figure out what

would be a good supplement regime for me. I was doing OK but not great, good

really, not bad anyway, low carbing but was struggling a lot, regarding was I

getting enough nutrition. A friend here showed me Bees diet. And I decided to

try no carbing, with her all meat and fat diet. I could not beleive the progress

I made. It was like heaven for me

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>Anyway after 7 weeks of this I added good carbs, and whilst I remained in

ketosis was OK, but as I went higher my addition returned, and my behaviour and

feelings started to become obessional and depressing. I cut back again and found

I felt normal and healing improved.  but i still was not sure this was right. I

know how crazy that sounds and now it seems like insanity, i was doing great but

did not trust it, but that was because of stuff in my past and so on. I am a

natural worrier

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>Anyway I found this lot

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>Dr Westman once worked with the ketogenic diet and epilepsy, he is now a main

doctor at the Atkins centre. Here he is insisting ketosis is the only suitable

treatment for diabetes, but he is meaning temporarily until the condition is

under control

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> Attia, is an athelete. He explains that it takes a while for the body to

adjust, for me it was 4 months or so. For that time I was aching for my carb

life, eventually my body became efficient with ketones and now runs very

effectively on ketones. You might want to give s work some consideration

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>http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/is-ketosis-dangerous

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>Dr Eade is like me, he believes ketosis is the natural state for the human body

and that the glucose pathway is meant to only be used as a reserve

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>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/

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> croxton tells the truth about food

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>regarding Dr mary Newports work, my own feelings are that prevention is better

than cure. I do think the brain damage being caused by being in the glucose

pathway, the hypoglycemia and insulin resistance etc with fibro will lead to

dementia

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>http://www.coconutketones.com/

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>the scientist are insisting we need their meds (see AXONA Alzheimers on

youtube) to do the ketogenic diet, $100 per month, most folk I have spoken to

that have tried AXONA have given up on it and say the diet is more effective

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>http://alzheimersweekly.com/content/keto-dementia-diet

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>the inuits studied by weston price and others were always in ketosis and had

none of these illnesses we all have

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>http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm

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>there are folk on bees board with brain tumors but I am not sure if they are

using ketosis or the optimal diet ratios

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>Barry Groves is a member of the Weston Price foundation and knows NCM well

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>http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/diseases_index.html

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>You might feel better if you consider this as a tempory thing, to see how you

go, or you might feel better simply low carbing with the optimal diet allowance.

some go half way and eat between 30g to 40g of carbs

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>I cannot decide for you. All i can say is that trying ketosis out for a few

days might help you with your decision. There are ketostix at amazon which will

help you know if you are in ketosis and you could consider your symptoms. Or you

could begin with the Optimal diet and later try ketosis for a few days and see

how you feel about it.

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>Myself i cannot return to my fibro and the glucose pathway. Now i have had a

taste of a lovely life I cannot tolerate all the suffering and the deep anxiety

that comes with the glucose pathway

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>And remember the foods we are eating are the best!!! Some of the above diets

agree with ketosis but not always the best food and the Epilepsy diet is

definately not the best foods

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>Hope this helps.

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>love joanne

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>To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured >

>Sent: Friday, 27 July 2012, 17:49

>Subject: Re: Laurie: Why we have so much pain and why it

will not go away

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>Joanne,

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>I'm trying to sort out the differing websites that make conflicting statements

such as...

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>1) ketosis all the time is good and natural

>2) if you eat low carb all of the time, your body becomes so efficient at

burning ketones for fuel that you won't actually test as being in ketosis after

a period of time (so how do you do it then?)

>3) You will lost muscle tone from long-term ketosis

>4) Athletes should rotate between ketosis and carb-loading to prevent muscle

loss & to provide endurance

>5) There are negative health effects from ketosis that must be monitored (this

is reported in ketogenic diet literature)

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>I know you have been researching this info for years, so I'd love to hear your

responses. My cousin fought the keto diet for her daughter's intractable

epilepsy for over 10 years. She finally rolled up her sleeves and tried it and

it was the best thing they ever did -- but they are closely monitored for

" adverse health effects. " My kids and I do much better off the starchy carbs,

but I am not sure we have ever been in ketosis for any length of time. 

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>Thx,

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>> From: Joanne Ford <mailto:joannesford%40yahoo.co.uk>

>>To: " mailto:fibromyalgiacured%40yahoogroups.com "

<mailto:fibromyalgiacured%40yahoogroups.com>

>>Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 5:55 AM

>>Subject: Laurie: Why we have so much pain and why it will

not go away

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>>Laurie

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>>Right now it is better to focus on the diet and get it working for you. But

this doctor has done well describing what is going on in fibro

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>>He says we have high glutamate and high substance p (the pain neuron) and low

dopamine low seratonin and low norapinephrine, whcih we do

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>>His answer is drugs but we do not need all these drugs he is in to

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>>Instead we need to learn more about ketosis

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>>Ketosis changes glutamate into GABA and as the glutamate is changed the

sunstance P goes down, this is becaus esubstance p is regulated by glutamte

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>>GABA is the soothing neuron and when we have enough of it the brain and

nervous system starts to create a better level of dopamien seratonin and

norapinephene etc. tHis is one reaosn why ketosis helps so much

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>>The foods and supplements on Bees program assist this too, but  am getting

thrown off this computer now

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>>Here is the link

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>>Love Joanne

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