Re: detox and ulcerative colitis

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Hi nancy:

I have heard of all those things happening when people detox. It depends on

two things.

1. how many toxins a person has in his body. Some people are way more toxic

than others.

2. how fast you do the detox. Personally when detox I cut everything in

1/3. I do NOT want to have heavy detox reactions so I do it slowly.

I find that if I detox too fast I will have a fibro flare that can last a

long time past the detox.

As far as ulcerative colitis I would be wary of which detox program you do.

If there are a lot of veggies yu will suffer more because veggies give you

lots of BM¹s and bowel activity.

If you do anything with psyllium husks in it that too can aggravate your

colon because it scrapes the sides of it clean of toxic buildup.

I would ask for a detox diet that is for people with ulcerative colitis.

You don¹t want a flare up of that. That is a serious issue. My sister in

law has it and has been hospitalized several times with blood transfusions

etc.

So, your situation is very unique. Ask a very qualified practitioner how

YOU should perform it on YOUR body. Very slowly and very gently I would

suggest for sure.

Let us know how you do go about it.

I would love to hear.

rosemarie

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> I read a whole lot about detoxing?

> I believe it, because lots of people are talking about it, the question i have

> is know one talks about what happens to the body during the detox.

> I am going to ask some rather disturbing questions

> do you get sick, vomit, have diarrhea, need to stay home from work, etc

> I have gotten to the point where I want to try it, and frankly I'm afraid it

> will change my daily routine, I can't use the bathroom, a lot, I have

> ulcerative

> colitis also and when its going awry I have diarrhea. I have to stay home when

> that happens.

> any answers would be helpful. thanks

>

> Joy

>

> ________________________________

> From: Joanne Ford <joannesford@... <mailto:joannesford%40yahoo.co.uk>

> >

> To: fibromyalgiacured

> <mailto:fibromyalgiacured%40yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Sun, March 13, 2011 5:45:53 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: ketosis (/RoseMarie and anybody else

> that might be interested)

>

> Hi

>

> When I first started low carbing my ratio was around 10% carb, 45% protein,

> 45%

> fat. I still craved carbs at this level, and my energy was low. I did

> experience

> a fair amount of healing but I also had more bad days, when I started Bees

> diet

> I changed my ratios. For five weeks I did 80% fat, 20% Protein, and no carb.

> As

> austire as this sounds it really got me used to eating the fat, my body

> realised

> and accepted carbs were gone and basically got its finger out and started

> using

> the fat for energy, and I also lost a fair amount of weight, but not muscle

> and

> my level of healing went right up. Over time I have introduced carbs, first in

> the form of low starch vegetables, and more recently soaked nuts and seeds and

> raw dairy. Still I have kept my carbs very low and in any one day I will still

> only eat 15g of carbohydrate, my ratios are something like 3% carb 75% fat and

> 22% protein

>

> Because I have had problems lately with the fibro etc, I have decided once

> again

> to drop the nuts seeds and dairy and right now I am back 100% on the foods for

> the Candida diet Bee recommends

>

> Now my dad, for some reason is able to attain ketosis at around 35g of carbs,

> and now he is using the MCT oil he is attaining it at around 40g to 45g. This

> is

> usig the sticks. Like you have said I do think their is an invisible margin

> that

> goes over this amount. On days when I have slipped up I have maintained

> ketosis

> at 35g and my dad, who I know has cheats still maintains it around 50g, it

> does

> not show up on the sticks but you can tell when he or I are not in ketosis, we

> change, in a world we become very disabled

>

> Now in the early days I needed Reductil to do all this. I know Bee does not

> recommend anti-depressants, and to be honest I do not think they are good for

> us, but how I see it is that if folk are already taking antidepressants

> changing

> to Reductil might be a good idea because it suppresses appetite and with no

> appetite all of this is much easier to do

>

> Ketosis itself knocks off the appetite. If I am in ketosis I basically have no

> appetite at all and often I have to kin of force myself to eat just so I can

> take my supplements etc

>

> All I can tell you is this. When I was on Reductil and I had no appetite I

> gave

> up smoking chocolate diet coke, starchy carbs and a whole load of other things

> I

> thought i would never be able to do withotut. Once off all them I waited a few

> months and then weaned off the Reductil, to my absolute amazement my ability

> to

> not reach for any of the things I was addicted to was zero whilst I was in

> ketosis, but so strangely when I loose it, the cravings rather heavily do come

> back

>

> Anyway, what I have found and my dad has found, is the secret to this magical

> ketosis is high fat high fat high fat. Not appetising I know but once you have

> your health nothing tastes as good as feeling healthy. I use capsules quit a

> lot, especially in the morning when I am half asleep. Yes I have learned to

> take

> my supplements whilst I am half asleep, sounds silly I know but in the early

> morning trance like state I can swallow these capsules so easily LOL

>

> Anyway, these have been a God send

>

> http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Coconut-Oil-1000-mg-120-Softgels/22472?at

> =0

>

> cod liver oil and Halibut oil can be taken in this way too

>

> I know this may sound weird but if I fill my stomach up with lots of fat first

> thing in the morning for the rest of the day I struggle to eat. I read about

> this once. they said that once the digestive system is full of amino acids to

> digest the fat it switches off the hunger signal because it does not like

> enzymes (the stuff we use to digest carbs) being in the stomach at the same

> time

> as so much amino acid

>

> Anyway, once your appetite is under control like this it is so much easier to

> just say, oh for lunch I will have butter with cod and green beans LOL. Honest

> that is the order I will say it, the fat first then the protein and then the

> carbs. So for lunch I might say I will have Home made mayonaise with tuna and

> lettuce, or for an evening meal I might say I will have butter with fatty lamb

> with cauliflower and broccilli mashed with the butter

>

> Honestly you can train your mind to do this. I did it with my MCKenna CDs

>

> The other thing is this. This kind of food is actually delicious. You may

> already know this, but your subconscious often does not. You see our

> subconcious

> goes of what we have learned in the past. It kind of knows these foods are

> tasty

> but it also knows carbs can be tasty. Or at least it beleives carbs are tasty.

> One way I got off my carbs was like this. I would just blurt it out several

> times a day. I would say 'Carbs knock me sick' and then I would scrunch my

> face up and rub my belly, saying yeah 'carbs are horrid they make me feel

> ill'. Or I would say 'carbs are boring' and I would yawn and repeat it saying

> 'teah carbs are proer boring' and I would visualise some carb food in my head

> and yawn again saying 'proper boring, I dont know how I was ever bothered with

> them

>

> I laugh as I tell you but hinestly this works. If you do it daily eventually

> your subconcious beleives this and this too makes it easy for the concious

> to take control of the overall psychi

>

> If we are no longer using food to comfort we need anew comfort. What I used

> was

> tonnes and tonnes of good movies. It was a bit hard to get hold of these but

> as

> time went by I started buying them and then selling them and then buying more.

> This cut the cost and meant I got to watch some really good stuff. For this

> though folk need their own thing, some like using music, others art, others

> dancing. What ever you like to do or have you can get your subconcious

> agreeing

> with this too. All I do is talk the talk, I talk like I know what I am talking

> about when it comes to movies. I have stimulated an interest in movies I dod

> not at one time have. Simply by going around telling people how marvelous each

> film was my subconcious became interested in seeing the next one

>

> I know this lot sounds like ever so much to do, but I would not promote this

> if

> it did not work so well as it does. And it does work marvelously. I still do

> not

> know why it works so well but it does

>

> When I get some more time I will share a few more things that i do to make

> this

> life more easy. So many have asked me to share this stuff in the past and I

> kind

> of did but then always got onto other stuff.

>

> But remeber, anybody that is reading this, I do only have 15g of carbs a day,

> but Bee beleives we can be in ketosis at around 30g to 40g and some folk can

> even achieve it at 50g to 60g. The sticks are not always reliable and in

> reality

> to test if you are in ketrosis is perhaps to measure if you are getting well.

>

> I have to go now but whne i get time I will share more on how a reintroduce

> foods to see if they are safe for me. The safer they are the easier it is to

> sustain ketosis and the easier it is for me to keep my weight down and my

> symptoms at bay

>

> And also remember all this is much easier to do in the spring and the summer

>

> Love Joanne

>

>

>

> From: cindy_martian <cindy_martian@...

> <mailto:cindy_martian%40yahoo.com> >

> Subject: Re: [lyme disease tests/Joanne/Robin/ketosis

> To: fibromyalgiacured

> <mailto:fibromyalgiacured%40yahoogroups.com>

> Date: Sunday, 13 March, 2011, 19:15

>

> Hi,

> I am asking how you know you are not in ketosis during low carbs. The test

> strips are not always an indicator. Joanne can seem to know by how she feels,

> but I cannot see the results of that in my case. Also tiredness is an

> indicator

> when you are going low carb, as it takes a few weeks(or longer) for the body

> to

> start burning the fat. There has been some times especially at the beginning

> when I felt I needed more rest, but overall my energy level is much better.

> Some

> people feel worse in ketosis for a while as you are doing more detoxing. I

> think

> I have been in ketosis most all the time for the past 2 years. I get less than

> 50 grams carbs. There has been a few times the muscle pain got worse for a

> short

> time, but over all my pain lever was reduced. Bee does say if the healing

> reactions get too severe we can increase the carbs a bit, but I try to not

> increase them even with the buckwheat as mentioned by her, as I think staying

> in

> ketosis is the best in the

> long run. You may not have been getting enough fat, especially coconut oil-65

> to

> 80 % calories should be fat.

>

> The sea salt does not bother me, but I get very little salt from other

> sources.

> If I ear out, I say no seasoning.

>

> C.

>

>> >

>> > HI JOANNE

>> >

>> > THAT IS HELPFUL. I AM DEFINITELY WORKING ON THIS SALT THING. I AM DOING

>> > MORE HIGH FAT, NOT AIMING FOR KETOSIS THOUGH. I DID KETOSIS ONCE FOR OVER

>> > 5 YEARS. I FIND IT TOO HARD TO STAY IN IT NOW. THERE IS A TEA I LIKE THAT

>> > DOES HAS A FEW CARBS, A PROTEIN SHAKE, A MILLET CRACKER, AND A FEW OTHER

>> > THINGS. IF I EAT OVER 20 GRAMS OF CARBS I CAN¡¯T SEEM TO STAY IN KETOSIS.

>> > WHEN I EAT THAT LOW IN CARBS I FEEL EXHAUSTED. SO I TRY TO EAT BETWEEN

>> > 40-60 WHEN I¡¯M WATCHING IT. BUT I CAN¡¯T BE IN KETOSIS BETWEEN 40-60

>> GRAMS.

>> > SO................... I¡¯VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR YEARS AND YEARS. I AM

>> > HEALTHIER AS A RESULT OF TRYING EVERYTHING AND EATING LOW CARB AND AVOIDING

>> > SUGARS BUT KETOSIS SEEMS TO BE JUST OUT OF REACH FOR ME NOW. ALSO, WHEN I

>> > EAT THAT LOW OF CARBS THE MUSCLE SPASMS GET WAY WORSE. CAN¡¯T SLEEP I GET

>> SO

>> > MANY OF THEM SO HIGHER CARBS 40-60 AND THE LEG CRAMPS ARE CONTROLLABLE.

>> >

>> > I RARELY EAT DAIRY NOW BECAUSE I KNOW I¡¯M LACTOSE INTOLERANT. I EAT ALMOND

>> > MILK.

>> >

>> > SO, THE BATTLE GOES ON. I HAVE BEEN TRYING FOR WEEKS TO LOSE SOME WEIGHT

>> > AND THE SCALE JUST GOES UP AND DOWN THE SAME 3 POUNDS. IF I EAT VERY LOW

>> > CARB, 20 GRAMS I LOSE 2 LBS, THEN I EAT SOMETHING SLIGHTLY SALTY AND I GAIN

>> > IT BACK. FRUSTRATING. I WOULD LIKE TO LOSE ABOUT 8 POUNDS. MY CLOTHES FIT

>> > A LITTLE TIGHT AND I DON¡¯T LIKE THAT FEELING. I GAINED 8 POUNDS IN THE

>> LAST

>> > TWO MONTHS WHICH IS WHY I WANT TO GET IT OFF TOO. I ATE LOW CARB LAST MONTH

>> > FOR 5 DAYS AND LOST 6 POUNDS. THEN I ATE A SALTY PIECE OF FISH WITH SAUCE

>> > AND GAINED 3.5 THAT NIGHT. VERY FRUSTRATING. SO I AM ASSUMING THIS WATER

>> > WEIGHT.

>> >

>> > ANYHOW, I FIGURE DON¡¯T GIVE UP. AS LONG AS I TRY AND DON¡¯T GIVE IN I CAN

>> > RETAIN THIS AMOUNT OF HEALTH AND WEIGHT LOSS.

>> > I DON¡¯T KNOW IF I TOLD YOU JOANNE BUT I AM DOING NEUROFEEDBACK WITH A

>> DOCTOR

>> > HERE PLUS I GET EMDR FROM A DOC IN HIS OFFICE AS WELL. TWICE A WEEK I DO

>> > THIS SINCE JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. I AM FEELING BETTER AS A RESULT AND THEY

>> > TELL ME IT WILL ADJUST MY NERVOUS SYSTEM AND THEY GET A 95 PERCENT ¡°CURE¡±

>> > RATE OF FIBRO, AND THE EMDR WILL HANDLE THE PTSD. I AM SEEING RESULTS WITH

>> > THE PTSD FOR SURE!!!!!!!!! I NO LONGER HAVE PANIC ATTACKS OR NIGHTMARES OF

>> > THE SAME OLD STUFF FROM MY PAST. I AM MORE ACTIVE IN MY ART, I AM LESS

>> > RECLUSIVE NOW TOO.

>> >

>> > SO, I AM HOPING THIS WILL GIVE ME A REAL CHANGE BECAUSE WHEN I READ THIS

>> > LIST THERE IS HARDLY ANYTHING I HAVE NOT TRIED IN THE PAST TWENTY YEARS. I

>> > HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A BELIEVER IN NATURAL CURES SO I¡¯VE DONE THE DIETS, THE

>> > KETOSIS, THE EXERCISE, YOGA, SWIMMING POOLS, SUPPLMENTS, SLEEP AIDES LIKE A

>> > SLEEP MASK, USING ICE, USING HEAT AND MEDITATION. I HAVE NEVER TRIED DRUGS

>> > BECAUSE I NEVER BELIEVED IN THEM.

>> >

>> > SO, THIS NEUROFEEDBACK FELT LIKE AN ANSWER FOR ME BECAUSE I WAS LOSING HOPE

>> > HAVING TRIED EVERYTHING FOR SO LONG. WHEN THEY SHOWED ME MY BRAIN SCAN IT

>> > SHOWED DEEP DEPRESSION AND HYPERVIGILANCE. AFTER THE FIRST 20 TREATMENTS

>> > THERE WAS CHANGE IN MY EEG THAT SHOWED A LIFT IN THE DEPRESSION AND A

>> > LESSENING OF HYPERVIGILANCE.

>> >

>> > SO I WILL KEEP YOU POSTED ON THIS.

>> >

>> > THANKS FOR YOUR HELP AND EXTENSIVE RESEARCH JOANNE. I SO APPRECIATE YOUR

>> > HARD WORK. I READ YOUR STUFF ALL THE TIME I JUST DON¡¯T ALWAYS ANSWER.

>> >

>> > ROSEMARIE

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