Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 ----- Original Message ----- From: " " <a7328639@...> <gallstones > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 7:51 PM Subject: Re: Chang's Website ....I agree with your statement about the fruitless search for that magic bullet. Herbs _do_ work but not all by themselves. They need to be part of a comprehensive program which entails discipline and a complete about face of lifestyle. In the past, I've had tremendous success by modifying my diet _alone_ then using a small amount of home tinctured, wildcrafted herbs as an adjunct. Health food store herbs are an expensive fiasco, only serving to make glowingly healthy people feel good about themselves. (They are 'standardized'....or as I call it, 'bastardized'.) Diet, a clean colon, an unfettered liver, gallbladder are the tickets. If you can get there, the bloodstream will start the process of clearing into a healthful state. As for placebos, we part ways here......they just aren't what they are cracked up to be. Placebos are " no medicine " and more often than not, no medicine is the best medicine. No psychology involved at all. Best wishes to you.....Betsy wrote: >> The reason I've said that about pushing her herbs is because after over 20 years practicing as a chiropractic physician (many of whom are equally guilty of pushing their stuff) I have witnessed just too many people, including myself, seeking the " magic bullet " in the form of some vitamin, mineral, miracle powder, magic lotion, concentrated food, blue-green algae, homeopathic remedy, herbal tonic of some unknown origin, etc., etc. Most everything there is out there is just another excuse for us humans to compensate for not eating right. We just don't want to change anything but we're all too happy to pop a pill because that's the easy thing to do--and I agree. It's just that it doesn't work, at least the majority of the time. Correction: about 98% of the time. And when things do seem to " work " it's usually because of the toxic nature of the herb or pill suppressing the body's symptoms. I also believe that the power of suggestion (plecebo) when taking various supplements is amazingly dramatic. So there you have it. Please resist the temptation of shooting the messinger--unless you just feel like doing so--I can handle it. I havn't even talked about diet to this point. Btw, I'm someone who's spent probably many thousands of dollars on supplements in the last 25 years so I've been there, done that and will not have to do it again. Health doesn't come in a bottle. If I sound arrogant it's because I've just had enough snake oil for one lifetime! Best Regards, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Hi Leonie; I know what you mean about going broke from the cost of supplements.I think most of us do this at the beginning of our sicknesses as we are grabbing for strawa.I found a great AP doctor who basically says we need a lot of minerals to counteract the acidity we are building up in our systems and to protect our bones.You see an acidic system will drw the minerals from the bones and dump them into the blood system mostly to protect the internal organs.Meds also make one acidic and I am sure that if you test your salive with litmus paper it will register below 7.She does not believ much help comes from other supplements and told me to read the MP site to see what a real scientist says about them.Gee,my costs have really gone down hehehe because this just makes sense.I only take minerals now Lynne leonie cent wrote: > To be honest, the whole supplement thing is starting to irritate the > hell out of me. I am probably the worst supplement junkie around, but > as I've found, they are no cure for RA or any other disease and only > fool you into thinking you are curing yourself and don't need help ... > sure supplements are great and help with symptoms, and can make life > bearable, but someone out there is making a lot of money off sick > people (usually MLM people). I would love to throw all my supplements > out and find something simpler - I hope the AP therapy works for me > and I can give some of them up since they are causing me to go broke. > I would have started the AP therapy ages ago if it weren't for the > false promise of supplements to cure everything under the sun, and not > to mention the silly elimination diet that Chandu talks about. Sure it > might have worked for her/him, but it just put me off track about 3 > years ago when I was on this list and looking for answers - I could > ha! ve been getting onto AP much sooner and being fixed up properly > instead of going off on wacky tangents. > > Thanks for listening > > Leonie > > rheumatic Re: finding a doctor > > Hi , > > How are you doing? > > Just curious, would you be ope3n to alternative solution? Have you tried > natural supplements? The reason I'm asking is because I have a > cousin who has RA and I asked her to try these 2 strong antioxidants > called OPC-3 and ORAC from Isotonix line. She was a bit hesitate in the > beginning, but she tried it anyway because it's all natural. She > took it the first time on April 2007. She went to doctor in May 2007 and > her C-reactive protein went down from 86 to 68. In August, she went back > to the doctor again and this time her C-reactive protein value went down > drastically to 4.4. Her doctor was surprised. My cousin looks so much > healthier now, less pain, getting better everyday. Not totally cured > yet, but she has a lot of energy now and looks so much healthier. Plus > it's all natural, so no side effect. > > Those products were recommended by my friend who is a Nutraceutical > Consultant. I got those products from his website: > www.marketamerica.com/zingo <http://www.marketamerica.com/zingo > <http://www.marketamerica.com/zingo>> > > Ok, good luck! > > > > > > Hello- > > > > I have had RA since 1988, when it hit me at age 20. I have a severe > > case: probably need a hip replacement now, curled hands, etc. etc. I > > started the AP in 2000 or 2001, then stopped it within the year for > > personal (non-medical) reasons. I'm ready to begin again and want > > some opinions regarding doctor selection. > > > > I live in a small SE Kansas town with limited doctor choices. My > > local doctor will not prescribe AP, nor will two rheumatologists I > > have approached (no surprise). I think an M.D. in a nearby town who > > is known to take a more wholistic approach to medicine would prescribe > > the AP. > > > > I'm wondering, though: Because I have severe, long-standing RA, would > > I be better off making a trip to see Dr. Franco in California? That > > would be a convenient choice, because he does all of the testing so I > > wouldn't have to find a lab, find someone to send off a blood sample, > > and other logistical considerations. > > > > What are your opinions? Would I benefit from seeing Dr. Franco? Or > > should I continue looking locally? > > > > I know the choice is ultimately mine. I am not looking for anyone to > > make my decisions for me. I'm simply asking for your experiences and > > opinions so I can use that information to make an informed decision. > > > > Thanks for your time! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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