Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Barry, I know I'm jumping in here...and I might be reading your post wrong, so, I hope you won't take offense, but Debra has already stated numerous times why she posts here. It's always good, IMO, to here different sides of the same story. ;-) Debra keeps me on my toes! Adrienne barry91162 <barry91162@...> wrote: Debra, Glad to hear you are problem free and have an opinion of your own. What are you doing in a Gallstone cleanse site? Barry. > > > Barry, > > My cholangiogram showed my liver to be stone-free. I have no problems, and > have a different opinion about it anyway. > > Debra > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Adrienne, You are right, I remember now. Debra is the one that doesn't cleanse, doesn't believe we are getting stones out, and is only here to help other people recover from gallbladder surgery. Am I right? Barry. > > > > > > Barry, > > > > My cholangiogram showed my liver to be stone-free. I have no > problems, and > > have a different opinion about it anyway. > > > > Debra > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 >>You are right, I remember now. Debra is the one that doesn't cleanse, doesn't believe we are getting stones out, and is only here to help other people recover from gallbladder surgery. Am I right?<< Sensing a little resentment here, Barry. As I have said before, what I do or believe has absolutely no affect on you, so I do not see why it should bother you. I am here to offer support and information to the few people who opt for surgery, because I have been there. I don't promote it, or in anyway try to influence people to have it. It should not be the first choice, in my opinion. It wasn't mine. I am happy that you are content with the choices you are making, and that you are meeting with success. Negative emotions directed toward someone you don't even know are not particularly healthy. So we see something differently....big deal. We will never know all of the things we might agree on about life in general. But, if you resent me because I express a different opinion than do you, well, that is your choice. It won't be mine. I wish you continued success. Debra _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Debra, It doesn't bother me what your opinion is. Also, I am not resentful at all by your opinions. My opinion is that we are getting out 'real' stones and that this gallstone cleansing is not just a bunch of bunk and we are fooling ourselves believeing that what we are getting out is real stones instead of oil. Just my opinion, and I hope it is also respected and not resented in any way. :-) Barry. > > >>You are right, I remember now. Debra is the one that doesn't cleanse, > doesn't believe we are getting stones out, and is only here to help > other people recover from gallbladder surgery. Am I right?<< > > Sensing a little resentment here, Barry. As I have said before, what I do > or believe has absolutely no affect on you, so I do not see why it should > bother you. I am here to offer support and information to the few people > who opt for surgery, because I have been there. I don't promote it, or in > anyway try to influence people to have it. It should not be the first > choice, in my opinion. It wasn't mine. I am happy that you are content > with the choices you are making, and that you are meeting with success. > Negative emotions directed toward someone you don't even know are not > particularly healthy. So we see something differently....big deal. We will > never know all of the things we might agree on about life in general. But, > if you resent me because I express a different opinion than do you, well, > that is your choice. It won't be mine. > > I wish you continued success. > > Debra > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 ----- Original Message ----- From: " Adrienne McLaughlin " <adriennelynn1@...> <gallstones > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 9:28 PM Subject: Re: Re: Just a thought-Barry Barry, Debra and Adrienne.....this train of thought is starting to get tired. I do agree with all of you in that we each make our own decisions and are certainly entitled to our own opinions but this entire thread is beginning to turn into a benign flame war with a never ending string of apologies. It is sad when anyone has to have surgery of any kind, gallbladder or otherwise but.....according to Dr. Schulze....(my hero)....a liver flush is beneficial in spite of and especially if you have had your gallbladder removed. With respect to all opinions expressed here, I offer no apology for my own...... " flush, flush, we must, we must, we must, flush, flush......... " Kindest of wishes to all the gentlefolks on this panel.....Betsy > > Hey Barry, > Once again, I'm jumping in. It's my opinion, that Debra's opinion, concerning the validity of the liver cleanse, holds very little weight. The reason being....she has never done a liver cleanse(or felt the need of one, I'm assuming), and so, has no experience to offer an opinion with. Those of us who have done the cleanse, and have experienced the benefits of it, know the validity of what we are doing. When she gives information regarding what she herself has experienced...that holds more weight. I do agree, that sometimes I'd rather not hear her negative opinion ....negative in the sense that it is an opinion totally opposite from mine. And it can be wearying to have to hear it in this kind of forum, because we are here to support each other. Still, negative opinions can be helpful in defining our own...giving us even more confidence. I personally want to know that what I am doing is the best that I can do for myself. So, if hearing the opposite opinion causes me to be more discerning about my own opinion, then it can actually be a positive thing. (Am I making sense?) > And Debra, I don't mean to be talking about you in the third person...I just did so for the sake of getting my point across. > Thanks, > Adrienne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 It is not being negative to observe olive oil balls being expelled in the midst of all the other stuff. Who could get upset at this? It doesn't take away from the good that is happening. The oil has to go somewhere and it comes out in the company of the bad stuff the way it should do. >> _______________ Sam, let's say you're correct, we pass olive oil each time. If this is correct, then it should be every time, right? Especially when many of us add lots more olive oil sometimes to the recipe. However, there's been plenty of times that I haven't passed these blobs of so-called oil. As a matter of fact, I rarely do it anymore at all. Sometimes I've passed a bunch of sand/sludge,along with little tannish-colored stone things. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 Adrienne, No problem. It was a well-stated opinion, with which I basically agree. Debra _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 >>but this entire thread is beginning to turn into a benign flame war << Well, although I may have felt a bit resented, I have certainly not felt flamed. Debra _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 If Debra has an opinion that is 'strongly disclaiming' to the stones being real, my opinion will only be equally strong to support the belief that they are real. After all, we all are here to help each other with encouragement, not to disclaim our results. This is a " Gallbladder cleanse " group, not a " Gallblader surgery recovering group " . Maybe someone should start one of those...? >> ____________________ Barry, I agree with you. I posted some stuff earlier that Dr. Mercola has on his website. I was almost afraid to post it in thinking that it might offend someone who doesn't do this. However, the new articles at Dr. Mercola's are beneficial to us. I told my husband about those claiming that we aren't passing stones, that we're passing olive oil or soap stones or whatever. Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I agree. But this is a gallstone support group. If someone wants to discuss surgery, then I'm sure there's plenty of surgery groups out there. Oh, my husband says about the oil stones or whatever, Baloney, that's nothing that I've never seen before. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 I feel that all these opinions are of value!!!! westoo <westoo@...> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: " Adrienne McLaughlin " <adriennelynn1@...> <gallstones > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 9:28 PM Subject: Re: Re: Just a thought-Barry Barry, Debra and Adrienne.....this train of thought is starting to get tired. I do agree with all of you in that we each make our own decisions and are certainly entitled to our own opinions but this entire thread is beginning to turn into a benign flame war with a never ending string of apologies. It is sad when anyone has to have surgery of any kind, gallbladder or otherwise but.....according to Dr. Schulze....(my hero)....a liver flush is beneficial in spite of and especially if you have had your gallbladder removed. With respect to all opinions expressed here, I offer no apology for my own...... " flush, flush, we must, we must, we must, flush, flush......... " Kindest of wishes to all the gentlefolks on this panel.....Betsy > > Hey Barry, > Once again, I'm jumping in. It's my opinion, that Debra's opinion, concerning the validity of the liver cleanse, holds very little weight. The reason being....she has never done a liver cleanse(or felt the need of one, I'm assuming), and so, has no experience to offer an opinion with. Those of us who have done the cleanse, and have experienced the benefits of it, know the validity of what we are doing. When she gives information regarding what she herself has experienced...that holds more weight. I do agree, that sometimes I'd rather not hear her negative opinion ....negative in the sense that it is an opinion totally opposite from mine. And it can be wearying to have to hear it in this kind of forum, because we are here to support each other. Still, negative opinions can be helpful in defining our own...giving us even more confidence. I personally want to know that what I am doing is the best that I can do for myself. So, if hearing the opposite opinion causes me to be more discerning about my own opinion, then it can actually be a positive thing. (Am I making sense?) > And Debra, I don't mean to be talking about you in the third person...I just did so for the sake of getting my point across. > Thanks, > Adrienne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 ----- Original Message ----- From: " scott hermance " <scottherm@...> <gallstones > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 3:08 PM Subject: Re: Re: Just a thought-Barry They certainly are, . Without each others opinions, we'd all be lost. Thanks for _that_ opinion! Betsy wrote: > I feel that all these opinions are of value!!!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 Statements like the quoted below are not helpful, don't add anything to the discussion and are equivalent to a dog chasing it's own tail. There is no guarantee that all " stones " that appear as a result of an olive oil cleanse are not at least partly made up of the olive oil itself. So what's the problem with this? None whatsoever. The fact is, olive oil cleanses do help the body rid itself of stones, chaff and other debris. No one has argued against this. It is not being negative to observe olive oil balls being expelled in the midst of all the other stuff. Who could get upset at this? It doesn't take away from the good that is happening. The oil has to go somewhere and it comes out in the company of the bad stuff the way it should do. Sam >>Those of us in a gallstones cleanse group shouldn't have to listen to someone who doesn't believe the cleanses eliminate stones. Do you realize that every time you make a statement about these cleanses not being stones that it is you who is being 'negative'? I don't direct negative feelings toward you or anyone, only what you have to say. It's nothing personal. << Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 By the way, Sam and Debra are from the same e-mail source. You may hear opposition to our flushes eliminating 'real' stones by both. _________ Barry, well, Maybe Sam is Debra and Debra is Sam, or whatever. I do believe that we're passing the real stuff, by all means. I have no doubt about that. Now, what we need to do is find a way to shrink your stone that you have. Dr. Mercola has a new article about gallstones, and he has listed foods that help reduce stones. Have you looked today? http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/20/gallbladder_depression.htm Please read all associated articles at the bottom of the page where he has links. Also, Barry, this stuff has helped me NOT have attacks, and that's the Beta-TCP stuff. I haven't had an attack since I started taking it, although at times my GB has been sore, so I just stick some heat on it and take a few magnesium capsules. I still do cleanses and plan on it Sunday night. I had to put it off a few days because of work. But if you're having normal colored BMs and you know 100 percent you have a stone, then I would suggest trying it. It really does relieve you. It's not very expensive either. I buy two bottles at a time and they are $13 a piece. You take three with meals, but if I'm having fresh juice or a salad or whatever, I don't take them with that, so I don't take them with every meal. I think it's 3 pills, three times a day. I don't take that many. What it usually ends up being with me is just 3 pills a day at dinner. It's helped me tremendously. This would be good until you're thinning that stone down. At least you wouldn't probably be having the pains. Of course, all things don't help for all people. You'd just have to try and see. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 Thanks for the link. I'll check it out. I've heard that Beta-TCP thins the bile so that it is in a more 'watery' state and can pass out of the gb easier than a thick, creamy bile. >> ______________ Barry, yeah, this must be what makes it easier for me. I know some who have GBs use Beta-Plus, but I think that a healthcare professional has to decide what's best for you. When I first bought Beta-TCP, I only thought that Beta-Plus was just for people who didn't have GBs, but that's not the case. This is something that I recently found out. I've tried the Lecithin alone, but it didn't work as well as this for me. I still take Lecithin, though. Anyway, hope you can reduce this stubborn stone. I may have some stubborn ones, but I can't afford tests. The doctor that I was going to wouldn't hear of me doing this anyway. He doesn't care for natural healing methods, by any means. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 Susie, You are right. Also olive oil does not form into balls inside your body at body tempature. Olive oil can only gel at a cold refridgerated tempature. By the way, Sam and Debra are from the same e-mail source. You may hear opposition to our flushes eliminating 'real' stones by both. Barry. > It is not being negative to observe olive oil > balls being expelled in the midst of all the other stuff. Who could get > upset at this? It doesn't take away from the good that is happening. The oil > has to go somewhere and it comes out in the company of the bad stuff the way > it should do. >> > _______________ > > Sam, let's say you're correct, we pass olive oil each time. If this is > correct, then it should be every time, right? Especially when many of us add > lots more olive oil sometimes to the recipe. However, there's been plenty of > times that I haven't passed these blobs of so-called oil. As a matter of > fact, I rarely do it anymore at all. Sometimes I've passed a bunch of > sand/sludge,along with little tannish-colored stone things. > Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 Susie, Thanks for the link. I'll check it out. I've heard that Beta-TCP thins the bile so that it is in a more 'watery' state and can pass out of the gb easier than a thick, creamy bile. Also, I've heard Lecithin will break up fats in a meal but not change the consistancy of bile. I'm looking into both of these at the same time that I am trying to reduce the stone with diet. Dieting hasn't helped reduce the stone so that it will flush easily and I am considering 'crushing' with ultrasonic but it is not available in my area. Also, I'm a little apprehensive about the crushed jagged edges of a stone getting caught somewhere like the pancreas area. I'll definitely let the group know how I finally get it out. That is my main goal now. Even if it ends up being surgery. I'm going to do everything I can first to eliminate it with a more natural way and keep my gallbladder since I think it is generally in good working order. Thanks again. Barry. > By the way, Sam and Debra are from the same e-mail source. You may > hear opposition to our flushes eliminating 'real' stones by both. > _________ > > Barry, well, Maybe Sam is Debra and Debra is Sam, or whatever. > > I do believe that we're passing the real stuff, by all means. I have no > doubt about that. Now, what we need to do is find a way to shrink your stone > that you have. Dr. Mercola has a new article about gallstones, and he has > listed foods that help reduce stones. Have you looked today? > http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/20/gallbladder_depression.htm > > Please read all associated articles at the bottom of the page where he has > links. > > Also, Barry, this stuff has helped me NOT have attacks, and that's the > Beta-TCP stuff. I haven't had an attack since I started taking it, although > at times my GB has been sore, so I just stick some heat on it and take a few > magnesium capsules. I still do cleanses and plan on it Sunday night. I had > to put it off a few days because of work. > > But if you're having normal colored BMs and you know 100 percent you have a > stone, then I would suggest trying it. It really does relieve you. It's not > very expensive either. I buy two bottles at a time and they are $13 a piece. > You take three with meals, but if I'm having fresh juice or a salad or > whatever, I don't take them with that, so I don't take them with every meal. > I think it's 3 pills, three times a day. I don't take that many. What it > usually ends up being with me is just 3 pills a day at dinner. It's helped > me tremendously. This would be good until you're thinning that stone down. > At least you wouldn't probably be having the pains. Of course, all things > don't help for all people. You'd just have to try and see. > Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 In a message dated 22/2/02 21:09:01 GMT Standard Time, scottherm@... writes: > I feel that all these opinions are of value!!!! > opinions are valuable - bickering and score seeking is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 Susie, Thanks for those tips. Lecithin and Beta-TCP together? I guess whatever works is good. I'll try th Beta-TCP first because I've heard it will 'thin' the bile. The Lecithin is more to break up the fatty meal that goes in (which I don't do much of that anymore anyways). At least this is what I've gathered that Lecithin can do. Do you know if Lecithin also thins the bile as well? By the way, if you had any of these kinds of stones you would definitely know it. There is no question about the pain. Eat a big fatty meal and if you have hard pain for a few hours in the night, you will know you have a hard to pass gb stone. The pain is hard and you can't miss it. haha Good luck with your health. Barry. > Thanks for the link. I'll check it out. I've heard that Beta-TCP > thins the bile so that it is in a more 'watery' state and can pass > out of the gb easier than a thick, creamy bile. >> > ______________ > > Barry, yeah, this must be what makes it easier for me. I know some who have > GBs use Beta-Plus, but I think that a healthcare professional has to decide > what's best for you. When I first bought Beta-TCP, I only thought that > Beta-Plus was just for people who didn't have GBs, but that's not the case. > This is something that I recently found out. > > I've tried the Lecithin alone, but it didn't work as well as this for me. I > still take Lecithin, though. > > Anyway, hope you can reduce this stubborn stone. I may have some stubborn > ones, but I can't afford tests. The doctor that I was going to wouldn't hear > of me doing this anyway. He doesn't care for natural healing methods, by any > means. > Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 >>This is a " Gallbladder cleanse " group, not a " Gallblader surgery recovering group " . Maybe someone should start one of those...?<< Statements like this only make me feel that it is more important for me to remain here. There are some people who will come here, become a part of this community, and then for whatever reasons, end up having surgery. (As was my case.) It is important that someone be here to let them know that they are not failures, to give them information that they may otherwise not be able to get, from a community they are already a part of. I have already helped several people who have been on this list, and that is why I am here. As I have said before, if you do not care for my opinions, just hit the delete key. Debra _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 >>If someone wants to discuss surgery, then I'm sure there's plenty of surgery groups out there.<< I generally only discuss surgery with those undergoing it, usually off-list. The fact that I had surgery comes up in such topics as stones in the liver, when I mention that a cholangiogram showed I was stone-free. I never discuss surgery as being the first or best option. I don't even make that case to people who are seriously considering it, I suggest that they hang out here a while to see what they can learn first. I am constantly amazed that (some) people so sure of their convictions are bothered by what I have to say. Debra _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 >>Since you choose to read my opinions and comment, instead of deleting, I will offer you the same. Believe me, if it was only you and I in here, the delete key would definitely be useful. :-)<< The difference is, Barry, that I have never stated that your opinions should not be expressed here, or that we, " don't need to hear them, " which you have stated of mine. And a little smiley face after an insult does not hide the intent. If you expect me to respond in kind, I am afraid you will be disappointed. I think you've gotten yourself way too worked up over one person's opinions. Your choice. Debra _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 >>By the way, Sam and Debra are from the same e-mail source. You may hear opposition to our flushes eliminating 'real' stones by both. << ????????????????? Sorry, I don't have any idea what you mean by this. And again, I have never stated that I don't believe it eliminates stones, only that I have a different opinion about the numbers. My opinion should not bother you. Debra _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 >>Barry, well, Maybe Sam is Debra and Debra is Sam, or whatever.<< Oh my god, too funny!! Sam, looks like you may be being called a troll pretty soon too. But take heart, and remember that it is the minority of people on this list who feel threatened by different opinions. Debra _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 Debra, To be honest with you..Your personal opinions never 'bother' me at all. I am not offended by anyones ignorance of a situation. As long as we are in a public group, your negative opposition or belief in our cleanses (where stones come from, stones being real, 100 of stones being real, etc)will be met with equal positive support(or opposition in your case). Debating goes two ways. Your opinions are not 'bad'. They may not be true, but they are yours none the less. I will continue to support mine as well. By the way, taking little bits of posts out of text only trys to confuse the discussion and you only look more ignorant when you do that. Everyone in here knows the context anyway. That little smile is actually a laugh, not a smile. I find some people to be funny. Also, I have never seen anyone in here who has had surgery asking you for advice about what to do without a gb. There is plenty of information about that already. You actually are spending more time in here declaiming what we believe to be successful stone eliminating while keeping our vital digestive organ than you do helping people recover after surgery. Everyone knows and sees this fact already. I don't consider anyone a failure for not keeping their gb. Some people who have a diseased gb have no choice but to remove it. Most people can save it if they try. That's what we are doing in this group. We are taking the alternate medicine route to save our digestive organs. We firmly believe in what we are doing because we have positive results and feel overall better for cleansing vs. surgery. We thrive on the battle to save our organs. If you have given yours up, please don't feel as though you are a failure, you just took another option. Barry. > > >>Since you choose to read my opinions and comment, instead of > deleting, I will offer you the same. Believe me, if it was only you > and I in here, the delete key would definitely be useful. :-)<< > > The difference is, Barry, that I have never stated that your opinions should > not be expressed here, or that we, " don't need to hear them, " > which you have stated of mine. And a little smiley face after an insult > does not hide the intent. If you expect me to respond in kind, I am afraid > you will be disappointed. I think you've gotten yourself way too worked up > over one person's opinions. Your choice. > > > Debra > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 Debra, The posts coming from 'Debra' and 'Sam' are from the same e-mail source. You don't understand this? Once again, your opinion doesn't 'bother' me at all. Why do you feel it does? My difference of opinion is only in direct opposition to yours. This is called debate. You shouldn't feel that it is bothersome to me or you. It really is nothing personal. I love to debate opinions, especially in a topic that I believe in. Barry. > > > >>By the way, Sam and Debra are from the same e-mail source. You may > hear opposition to our flushes eliminating 'real' stones by both. << > > ????????????????? Sorry, I don't have any idea what you mean by this. And > again, I have never stated that I don't believe it eliminates stones, only > that I have a different opinion about the numbers. My opinion should not > bother you. > > Debra > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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