Re: 1st Flush and now scared to do this again!

February 25, 2002

So people should not be surprised

if they get sick...and you feel kind of " raw " where the ducts are if you

know what I mean, and weak for a day or two, like you're really wrung

out. Then other times when I have done it, I have just had waves of

nausea, passed some stuff and felt great in the morning.

Everyone responds differently.

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, I've had nausea once really bad too. It was one night that I was

going to try to add a lot more olive oil and just couldn't. I was nauseated

in my first drink. I managed to keep it down, but wanted to hurl, so to

speak. The only thing that I can think of was that I drank it really fast.

So I decided not to drink it so quickly. I tried it next time and drank it

slower and wasn't nauseated.

I'm doing a cleanse tonight. I may also try to put a little fresh ginger

pressed into the mixture. In Dr. Cabot's book, she has a couple of recipes

and in one she says to press a little garlic and fresh ginger into the

mixture. I know ginger is good for nausea.

And you're right about sore ducts. One time I passed some larger stones and

that area around my GB was sore for almost a week. It was like I had done 50

sit-ups or something like that. I found that drinking lemon water helped me.

I suppose the ducts and Gb were irritated.

Susie

February 25, 2002

Thanks for your concern and although it was a pain I never want to go

through again, I am extremely pleased with the stuff that did come out and I

don't regret doing it at all. My mission is now to find out how to do it but

eliminate the pain, >>

______________

, if your pain does not go away, you may have to go to the doc like

Steve did, at least to get some pain meds. Until then, can you take any

magnesium? I take Solaray magnesium from the health food store every night

at bedtime. If I have pains, I also use heat and it gradually goes away.

It's just a thought. Sorry you're in pain.

Susie

February 25, 2002

Susie - I'm talking about nausea that happens

after the oil, etc. has been in you for a few hours,

that is caused by the contractions from the work

it is doing. I >>

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, oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you were talking about that.

I'll let you know about the ginger if I do it. I'm not going to press much

into it. Peppermint oil also helps. That stuff's expensive, too. I have a

bottle that we bought for $8, and it's tiny, but a drop sure goes a long way.

Susie

February 25, 2002

- The only time I did not get sick or nauseaous doing the flush was the

very

first time, about 14 or so years ago...and that time passed quite a bit of

stuff. The next time I was quite sick a few hours after drinking the

" cocktail " ,

running to the bathroom to throw up and and have diarrhea (sorry for the

unpleasant picture) all at once, feeling terribly nauseous, but so far, have

not had the pain you are describing. So people should not be surprised

if they get sick...and you feel kind of " raw " where the ducts are if you

know what I mean, and weak for a day or two, like you're really wrung

out. Then other times when I have done it, I have just had waves of

nausea, passed some stuff and felt great in the morning.

Everyone responds differently. I have done the flush on and off

since, about a dozen times, but have not done it in 5 years now, and

this is the only time I've had an ultrasound that actually showed stones,

so I, too, wonder what I am in for should I do this again. I'd like to give

it a go when things slow down - perhaps Good Friday.

Do remember all the junk you have passed, though, you have worked

hard and done a good job. Maybe that larger stone will just have to be

there for now. I find putting heat on helps a lot - I use heat for just about

any aches and pains. I lay flat on my back and put hot water bottle over

the area of pain, and eventually, most of the time, if I can stay relaxed

can literally feel things begin to gurgle again, and nausea and discomfort

subsides.

I am thinking that perhaps, after giving your body a rest for a week or

2, it would be good for you to start taking what I do on as many

mornings as it is convenient. First thing, take a cup of chamomile tea with the

juice of a lemon, a tablespoon of flax seed oil, and some honey to

taste and drink it down and wait about 20 minutes or so before eating

anything. This will then, keep you gall bladder active, though not

nearly as dramatically as the cleanse you did, so it does not build

up a lot of sludge, etc. You won't be lying down when you do this,

so the gall bladder won't be in a position to easily expell larger

things, like the stone you have.

Flax seed oil has anti-inflammatory properties, and helps with

discomfort...I am planning on using it instead of olive oil next flush after

reading a bit on this and being in some discussions about it...it's a bit more

than olive oil, but worth it, I am hoping.

I think you have done a good job, and should pat yourself on the back

for me :-)

L. Meydrech

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

http://nutritionist.tripod.com

----- Original Message -----

From: michelevaudin

gallstones

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 6:24 AM

Subject: 1st Flush and now scared to do this again!

Hi guys,

Well...what a weekend I had! Did my first ever liver flush on Friday

night using Dr 's recipe but upped the oil to 3/4 cup and equal

amounts of grapefruit juice as well as having 5 TBSspoons of Epsom

salts. (had previous dealings with Epsom Salts and knew I'de need

a 'boost' to help things move along!)

Was fine all night and decided to lie first on my back for the 20

minutes and then on my left for about 10 minutes, on my right for

another 10 minutes and then fell asleep on my back.

By 4am I started passing 'stones' and sludge and was all pretty

painfree. The stones were whole when they came out but as soon as I

tried to pick them up they easily 'dissolved' into 'squidge' as I

examined them. I've been taking Gold Coin Grass and Coptis for the

past 3 weeks as part of my juicing routine and feel this was

responsible.

The stones were green inside and therefore presuming these were

cholesterol stones from the liver.

As I continued taking the Epsom Salts at the prescribed times, I kept

passing various sized 'stones' and later on loads of sludge and sand-

like grit.FANTASTIC!!!

But...by 10.30am I was in absolute agony. I have never had an attack

this painful in my life. I have a calcified stone of 17mm in my

gallbladder and knew full well this was the culprit to the pain. I

was throwing up and writhing around for 5 hours and if a surgoen was

in my bedroom I would have begged him through tear-stained eyes to

cut me open to end the pain.If it wasn't for my boyfriend being there

and clearing up after me (vomitting water, bile, grapefuit and oil),

helping me between bedroom and bathroom I really dont know what I'de

have done.

The last one I had which even came close to this was on holiday in

Greece last year after eating and drinking everything and anything

and ended up with an attack. This weekend's one by far beat that!

By 3.30pm I woke up after getting an exhausted hours sleep and the

pain had subsided slightly. I just sat on my bed and wept. I am

absolutely gutted that it caused this attack as although I

desperately want to continue flushing to get rid of all the other

stuff in my liver (I was sooooo pleased to see what I was passing!)

and I knew it could be months/years before passing the 'biggie', but

I cannot do another cleanse and risk undergoing that again.

Bt 9 that night, the attack came back (although not with the same

vengeance) and lasted until 7.30am the next morning. Ended up in the

bath from 3 to 5am to try and ease the pain a little.

Has anyone who has a calicified stone in their GBs ever had an attack

brought on by doing the flush?

What on earth am I going to do now????

Please, any suggestions I'de greatly appreciate. I'm off work for 2

weeks due to having a ganglion operation and therefore will not be

able to read any of your postings after tues afternoon. (crap timing

as usual).

With much anticipation, still sore and deeply gutted!

Michele

February 25, 2002

,

Did you do the apple juice before doing the cleanse. I have done several

cleanses. Each time I fast for at least a week on only apple juice. I have

passed well over 2000 stones. My 11 year old daughter was having trouble,

so we did a cleanse on her and she passed several walnut sized stones. I'm

talking about the whole walnut, not the nut inside the shell. They were

huge! It cleared up her asthma attacks, which was why we did it in the

first place for her.

Did you do the apple juice?

~Karma

http://loaves-n-fishes.com

http://www.karma.awarenesshealth.com

----- Original Message -----

From: " michelevaudin " <michele_vaudin@...>

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 5:24 AM

Subject: 1st Flush and now scared to do this again!

> Hi guys,

>

> Well...what a weekend I had! Did my first ever liver flush on Friday

> night using Dr 's recipe but upped the oil to 3/4 cup and equal

> amounts of grapefruit juice as well as having 5 TBSspoons of Epsom

> salts. (had previous dealings with Epsom Salts and knew I'de need

> a 'boost' to help things move along!)

> Was fine all night and decided to lie first on my back for the 20

> minutes and then on my left for about 10 minutes, on my right for

> another 10 minutes and then fell asleep on my back.

> By 4am I started passing 'stones' and sludge and was all pretty

> painfree. The stones were whole when they came out but as soon as I

> tried to pick them up they easily 'dissolved' into 'squidge' as I

> examined them. I've been taking Gold Coin Grass and Coptis for the

> past 3 weeks as part of my juicing routine and feel this was

> responsible.

> The stones were green inside and therefore presuming these were

> cholesterol stones from the liver.

> As I continued taking the Epsom Salts at the prescribed times, I kept

> passing various sized 'stones' and later on loads of sludge and sand-

> like grit.FANTASTIC!!!

> But...by 10.30am I was in absolute agony. I have never had an attack

> this painful in my life. I have a calcified stone of 17mm in my

> gallbladder and knew full well this was the culprit to the pain. I

> was throwing up and writhing around for 5 hours and if a surgoen was

> in my bedroom I would have begged him through tear-stained eyes to

> cut me open to end the pain.If it wasn't for my boyfriend being there

> and clearing up after me (vomitting water, bile, grapefuit and oil),

> helping me between bedroom and bathroom I really dont know what I'de

> have done.

> The last one I had which even came close to this was on holiday in

> Greece last year after eating and drinking everything and anything

> and ended up with an attack. This weekend's one by far beat that!

> By 3.30pm I woke up after getting an exhausted hours sleep and the

> pain had subsided slightly. I just sat on my bed and wept. I am

> absolutely gutted that it caused this attack as although I

> desperately want to continue flushing to get rid of all the other

> stuff in my liver (I was sooooo pleased to see what I was passing!)

> and I knew it could be months/years before passing the 'biggie', but

> I cannot do another cleanse and risk undergoing that again.

> Bt 9 that night, the attack came back (although not with the same

> vengeance) and lasted until 7.30am the next morning. Ended up in the

> bath from 3 to 5am to try and ease the pain a little.

> Has anyone who has a calicified stone in their GBs ever had an attack

> brought on by doing the flush?

>

> What on earth am I going to do now????

>

> Please, any suggestions I'de greatly appreciate. I'm off work for 2

> weeks due to having a ganglion operation and therefore will not be

> able to read any of your postings after tues afternoon. (crap timing

> as usual).

>

> With much anticipation, still sore and deeply gutted!

>

> Michele

>

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February 25, 2002

Hi Karma,

Yep - sure did! Not only that but did a 3 week juicing fast beforehand and

just apple juice on the Friday morning. Fantastic about your daughters

stones though!

Kind regards,

Michele

-----Original Message-----

From: Karma Tucker [mailto:tucker@...]

Sent: Monday, 25 Feb 2002 3:24 pm

gallstones

Subject: Re: 1st Flush and now scared to do this again!

,

Did you do the apple juice before doing the cleanse. I have done several

cleanses. Each time I fast for at least a week on only apple juice. I

have

passed well over 2000 stones. My 11 year old daughter was having trouble,

so we did a cleanse on her and she passed several walnut sized stones.

I'm

talking about the whole walnut, not the nut inside the shell. They were

huge! It cleared up her asthma attacks, which was why we did it in the

first place for her.

Did you do the apple juice?

~Karma

February 25, 2002

Hi ,

Thankyou for your detailed answer! I was completely ready for discomfort,

being sick etc - but cannot even begin to describe the pain caused by the

'monster'! I would not wish that on an enemy (if I had one!)

Regarding the flax seed oil - I've been taking at least a tablespoon a

day )Udo's Essential Oils including Linseed oil etc) for the past 2 months

(first month as a salad dressing - delicious if mixed with a little lemon or

lime juice with salt and pepper.) The second month I was adding this to my

vegetable juices.

I wonder if changing to this oil would make a difference in a flush -

grasping at anything as I really want to do another flush in a few weeks,

but HAVE to at least believe it wont happen again!

Thankyou,

Michele

Flax seed oil has anti-inflammatory properties, and helps with

discomfort...I am planning on using it instead of olive oil next flush

after

reading a bit on this and being in some discussions about it...it's a bit

more

than olive oil, but worth it, I am hoping.

I think you have done a good job, and should pat yourself on the back

for me :-)

L. Meydrech

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

http://nutritionist.tripod.com

----- Original Message -----

From: michelevaudin

gallstones

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 6:24 AM

Subject: 1st Flush and now scared to do this again!

February 25, 2002

Wow!

This proves that these flushes may be dangerous when performed without the skill

of a knowledgeable health practitioner.

This story is downright scary!

Maybe, too much oil(fat) instigated such an attack!

michelevaudin <michele_vaudin@...> wrote: Hi guys,