Cola and Epsom Salts

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In another posting, asks, referring to a popular cola drink:

>Do you really want to include chemicals in a natural cleansing process???

That is indeed a question that also relates to the Epsom salts. I asked,

and now rephrase my question:

Need one use the chemical known as Epsom salts as part of a flush regime?

Does this chemical perform a function that a natural laxative cannot perform?

If so, how do we know that? Have listmembers made any comparisons: say

with Epsom Salts, with cascara grada, with senna, without any of these?

Or, as I have been quoted,

>Ira asks:

>I therefore ask anyone who's reading: what evidence is there for the claim

>that Epsom salts open up (dilate) the bile ducts?

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[Guest guest]

Epsoms as I had

before. Successful results and the pain vanished. Now, I decided that I had

gotten a stone stuck in the Japps flush and that was why I was in constant

pain afterwards...believe me, I felt really bad. >>

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Yeah, that ES, the magnesium in it relaxes the bile ducts and helps keep you

from being in pain. Helps those stones pass easier. I take a couple of

magnesium caps at night anyway that I get from the health food store. I

personally wouldn't want to do a cleanse now without any type of magnesium.

And nothing is wrong with ES. It's perfectly safe.

Susie

[Guest guest]

> >Ira asks:

> >I therefore ask anyone who's reading: what evidence is there for the

claim

> >that Epsom salts open up (dilate) the bile ducts?

I can only answer this from personal experience...but then that is often far

closer the truth than scientific reasoning...

I did my 3rd flush using large quantities of Japps Health salts which

certainly cleared my bowels...but I had negative results regarding stones

(not a stone in sight...which kind of negates the olive oil soap theory!)

and was in terrific pain for a week afterwards. I decided to do another

flush a week later (still in pain) and did it with the Epsoms as I had

before. Successful results and the pain vanished. Now, I decided that I had

gotten a stone stuck in the Japps flush and that was why I was in constant

pain afterwards...believe me, I felt really bad.

Conclusion: I will never flush without my Epsoms again! No way do I want

THAT pain again.

But, I also have to add that we are all different and I have no doubt that

just as some people have larger pores than others, so some have wider bile

ducts than others...in which case, there may be no need to dilate them

further. Y'know, scientists and pharmacists come up with all these amazing

drugs to cure this and that, but we can't ALL take the same drugs...they

have different effects on different people. My son can't take penicillin -

it would kill him - but I can. Same thing for the flush...it's a question of

finding out what works best for you. Some people have no need for the

Epsoms...I do.

HTH

Dax

[Guest guest]

>In another posting, asks, referring to a popular cola drink:

>

>>Do you really want to include chemicals in a natural cleansing process???

>

>That is indeed a question that also relates to the Epsom salts. I asked,

>and now rephrase my question:

>Need one use the chemical known as Epsom salts as part of a flush regime?

As far as I remember from previous posts, not everyone does, which

proves that one (or at least some) doesn't need to do it, but which

does not prove that it can't have advantages.

>Does this chemical perform a function that a natural laxative cannot perform?

Epsom salts also occur naturally (first found in the town of Epsom),

and is chemically identical to the salts sold in the stores. The

formula is the formula, and the salts can be taken in small doses as

a (non-laxative) supplement for magnesium deficiency, as exemplified

here:

http://CureZone.com/forums/message.asp?MessageID=174 & ForumID=34. It's

just magnesium and sulfur, which the body needs in smaller amounts.

It's the large dosage that makes it special in this context. As far

as I understand, senna (as a laxative) isn't any better in its

function than typical pharmacy laxatives, with the same side effect

as those (permanently laxing the muscles when used more than

sporadically).

>Or, as I have been quoted,

>>Ira asks:

>>I therefore ask anyone who's reading: what evidence is there for the claim

> >that Epsom salts open up (dilate) the bile ducts?

The common reason given for the use of magnesium-based laxatives

(magnesium sulphate, i.e. Epsom salts, or ditto citrate) is that they

make the nerves and muscles, uh, lax. See chapter 6 of the this

article: http://www.execpc.com/~magnesum/rod06.html for the virtues

of magnesium in this regard, and

http://www.wpsic.com/medicare/policy/Wisconsin/path23.html for

symptoms of too little and too much magnesium, including

neuromuscular factors. The question is if an inner organ like the

bile duct can be involved in that.

This page (http://www.hiddencures.com/gallbladderflush.htm )believes

it to be the case: " Adequate amounts of magnesium are ingested which

will allow for a relaxation of the smooth musculature which includes

those controlling the relaxation and contraction of the bile duct. "

They are admittedly not researchers, though, but at least the wording

is so specific that a bluff had been immediately revealed by a

halfway competent physiologist. (They present another variation on

the cleanse on this page, by the way.)

This page (http://www.kingmaker.net/homeo-b.htm ) shows that

magnesium phosphate is used as a homeopathic remedy for bile-duct

spasms, for what that piece of information is worth.

I have to stop spending time on this here, but others can pick up the

hunt, if they like. There are educational and scientific sites out

there, and maybe there's something approaching an answer. This is

just the result of a quick web search and revisiting a couple of

sites I've been to before.

Anyway, the commonly given reason for the use of magnesium sulphate

seems to be that is laxes neuromuscular activity. The idea, to be

researched, is minimally that the bile duct remains open, with

" loose " walls, and do not contract, so that stones are prevented from

getting stuck and creating pain and difficulties during the cleanse.

Also, we could speculate that stones could remain where they are,

instead of being flushed out, because the duct contracts and is not

lax enough, making the flush less successful. Testimonials could

indicate a difference. I don't know if the magnesium directly makes

the duct more open than it otherwise had been, so that it sort of

" unnaturally " expands.

A separate question is whether another type of remedy could have done

the same job. I don't know anything about that. But there's no reason

to avoid magnesium sulphate, or magnesium citrate, because it's

" chemical " . This stuff is a good guy as a substance in and of itself,

but, just like herbal laxatives (psyllium is not a laxative, but

senna is), its use should be limited to special circumstances, like

these cleanses, not used regularly for constipation. If you can do

without it, well, you can.

Finally, I found one source which had something different-looking

about magnesium and gallstones, which I'm not sure how to interpret,

namely chapter 16 of this already referred article:

http://www.execpc.com/~magnesum/rod16.html#kidney We can scroll down

to the section on gallstones. This text is about supplementation and

not about " shock dosages " . You can read it for yourselves on the web.

Here's the best sample I can dig up:

" Laborde states that it has a strong action on the secretion of bile.

I have no experience on this point, but I have confirmed with de

Wades that, introduced into the duodenum, it leads to evacuation of

the tube. By this mechanism it can render service in infections of

the biliary duct. "

-- Helge