Re: eating to produce bile???

[Guest guest]

suzanne_on_ca@... writes:

> I believe that if you eat a nonfatty meal, the bile is not used

> - so it is still stored inside the gallbladder. If you do this for a

> morning or possibly a bit longer, then you will have the optimum

> amount of bile that your system can hold. This will build up

> pressure in your gallbladder to help to eject the stones come

> cleansing time.

Yes, I totally agree and that's what I've always read. But the post I was

responding to seemed to indicate that fasting is a hindrance to a good flush

because you need to eat to build up the bile. If eating non-fat keeps the

bile from being used and therefore lets it build up, why wouldn't fasting do

the same thing?? Fasting is about as nonfat as you can get!

rachel~

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/9/02 8:49:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,

suzanne_on_ca@... writes:

> . Perhaps it

> was meant to mean " eat a non-fat meal as opposed to a fatty one - to

> help to build up bile. "

> You may get more clarification by writing directly to the one that

> posted the original message.

>

Well, actually I did respond to the one that posted the original message. He

was writing specifically about fasting vs eating to build up bile. That

implies that the act of eating produces bile somehow and that fasting would

not. Hopefully the writer of the original message will respond to clarify

what he meant. I was hoping that the subject line of my post would be

enough to get his attention. I don't honestly remember who it was and I

don't save old mail, so I'd have to go through the archives to find it. If

I don't get a response I will do that and find out who it was.

Thanks!

rachel~

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I believe that if you eat a nonfatty meal, the bile is not used

- so it is still stored inside the gallbladder. If you do this for a

morning or possibly a bit longer, then you will have the optimum

amount of bile that your system can hold. This will build up

pressure in your gallbladder to help to eject the stones come

cleansing time.

Suzanne

> How does eating build up the bile?

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Yes , I remember the post the you're referring to. Perhaps it

was meant to mean " eat a non-fat meal as opposed to a fatty one - to

help to build up bile. "

You may get more clarification by writing directly to the one that

posted the original message.

Suzanne

>But the post I was responding to seemed to indicate that fasting is

>a hindrance to a good flush because you need to eat to build up the

>bile.

[Guest guest]

Actually that was . I'll find the post and resend the whole thing.

rachel~

suzanne_on_ca@... writes:

> Hi ,

> I believe that it was Barry,

> Suzanne

>

(I wrote)

> Well, actually I did respond to the one that posted the original

> message. He > was writing specifically about fasting vs eating to build up

> bile.

[Guest guest]

I do believe the bile is used for more than just fat digestion, I believe it has

to do with certain enzymes and such in regards to the digestive process....not

really positive on this but maybe someone has a grip on anatomy and what it

exactly does./......lol...I do know a few different people I could call who know

this stuff. Maybe I can find out. will let you all know.

Peace

Lu

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From: Rachd1961@...

gallstones

Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 7:25 AM

Subject: Re: Re: eating to produce bile???

suzanne_on_ca@... writes:

> I believe that if you eat a nonfatty meal, the bile is not used

> - so it is still stored inside the gallbladder. If you do this for a

> morning or possibly a bit longer, then you will have the optimum

> amount of bile that your system can hold. This will build up

> pressure in your gallbladder to help to eject the stones come

> cleansing time.

Yes, I totally agree and that's what I've always read. But the post I was

responding to seemed to indicate that fasting is a hindrance to a good flush

because you need to eat to build up the bile. If eating non-fat keeps the

bile from being used and therefore lets it build up, why wouldn't fasting do

the same thing?? Fasting is about as nonfat as you can get!

rachel~

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I believe that it was Barry,

Suzanne

> Well, actually I did respond to the one that posted the original

message. He

> was writing specifically about fasting vs eating to build up bile.

That

> implies that the act of eating produces bile somehow and that

fasting would

> not. Hopefully the writer of the original message will respond

to clarify

> what he meant. I was hoping that the subject line of my post

would be

> enough to get his attention. I don't honestly remember who it

was and I

> don't save old mail, so I'd have to go through the archives to find

it. If

> I don't get a response I will do that and find out who it was.

>

> Thanks!

> rachel~

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, Barry I hear what you are saying, but no it doesn't answer the question.

(thanks for trying, though.) I really appreciate all the effort so many

have taken to respond to this, but it's all going in a different direction.

It wasn't about whether or not fasting was healthy in general. From my

personal experience in this area, nobody would be able to convince me that

it's unhealthy.

The question was directed to , who said (this is not a direct quote)

that fasting wasn't good because you need to eat in order to build up bile.

I have never read that eating does anything to build up bile and I have

understood that the liver is constantly producing bile and it's just stored

in the gallbladder. So, I wanted to know a little more about what he was

suggesting about the need to eat in order to build up bile.

I have reposted his original message and asked the question again. Perhaps

he will eventually see it and respond to it.

thanks,

rachel~

barry91162@... writes:

> I think I can explain what you are asking for. Fasting one day before

> a flush is good for building up bile for the flush. This is good. But

> fasting all the time in your life in longer periods of time could

> actually be a negative to your body. Fasting produces more stones in

> some cases because the bile is flowing and then stagnated by a long-

> er type of fast and then started again, over and over. A more

> continual bile flow is recommended for better gb health. So, people

> without stone problems don't have to worry as much about fasting as

> people who already have stones. Does this make sense?

[Guest guest]

That was my question I believe. I was also under the impression that you

were supposed to eat to build up the bile. I have done several flushes and

with each one fasted on apple juice only for at least two days, then the day

of the cleanse at only sweet potatoes with nothing added to them. No

butter, salt, nothing. Just the baked potato. This has been very

successful for me. I did it to clear up allergies. I have gotten well over

2,000 stones doing the flush this way. I am currently on a long term fast

for personal reasons and was wanting to take advantage of the cleansing that

my body is already doing by going ahead and cleansing the liver also. I am

not willing to break my fast at this time so was wondering if it would be

effective to do a cleanse without eating. After reading the responses and

taking inventory of how my body is doing and the remaining time I would like

to continue fasting, I have decided against doing the cleanse. I think it

would be too hard on my system. I am instead continuing on lemon/water and

apple juice /water. I will add some olive oil to my daily routine and let

my system flush itself naturally and slowly.

Thanks to all for their input. I really appreciate your thoughts.

~Karma

http://loaves-n-fishes.com

> Dear ,

>

> Yes , I remember the post the you're referring to. Perhaps it

> was meant to mean " eat a non-fat meal as opposed to a fatty one - to

> help to build up bile. "

> You may get more clarification by writing directly to the one that

> posted the original message.

>

> Suzanne

> >But the post I was responding to seemed to indicate that fasting is

> >a hindrance to a good flush because you need to eat to build up the

> >bile.

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[Guest guest]

Karma,

Please tell me how did you do in clearing your allergies with this method? I am

curious as I have a few allergies myself that I can't seem to get to the root

of.

I like what you are proposing to do here, sounds very wise and best of wishes on

your extended fast.

Peace & Love

Lu

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From: Karma Tucker

gallstones

Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 5:03 PM

Subject: Re: Re: eating to produce bile???

That was my question I believe. I was also under the impression that you

were supposed to eat to build up the bile. I have done several flushes and

with each one fasted on apple juice only for at least two days, then the day

of the cleanse at only sweet potatoes with nothing added to them. No

butter, salt, nothing. Just the baked potato. This has been very

successful for me. I did it to clear up allergies. I have gotten well over

2,000 stones doing the flush this way. I am currently on a long term fast

for personal reasons and was wanting to take advantage of the cleansing that

my body is already doing by going ahead and cleansing the liver also. I am

not willing to break my fast at this time so was wondering if it would be

effective to do a cleanse without eating. After reading the responses and

taking inventory of how my body is doing and the remaining time I would like

to continue fasting, I have decided against doing the cleanse. I think it

would be too hard on my system. I am instead continuing on lemon/water and

apple juice /water. I will add some olive oil to my daily routine and let

my system flush itself naturally and slowly.

Thanks to all for their input. I really appreciate your thoughts.

~Karma

http://loaves-n-fishes.com

> Dear ,

>

> Yes , I remember the post the you're referring to. Perhaps it

> was meant to mean " eat a non-fat meal as opposed to a fatty one - to

> help to build up bile. "

> You may get more clarification by writing directly to the one that

> posted the original message.

>

> Suzanne

> >But the post I was responding to seemed to indicate that fasting is

> >a hindrance to a good flush because you need to eat to build up the

> >bile.

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[Guest guest]

,

I think I can explain what you are asking for. Fasting one day before

a flush is good for building up bile for the flush. This is good. But

fasting all the time in your life in longer periods of time could

actually be a negative to your body. Fasting produces more stones in

some cases because the bile is flowing and then stagnated by a long-

er type of fast and then started again, over and over. A more

continual bile flow is recommended for better gb health. So, people

without stone problems don't have to worry as much about fasting as

people who already have stones. Does this make sense?

Barry.

> suzanne_on_ca@y... writes:

> > I believe that if you eat a nonfatty meal, the bile is not used

> > - so it is still stored inside the gallbladder. If you do this

for a

> > morning or possibly a bit longer, then you will have the optimum

> > amount of bile that your system can hold. This will build up

> > pressure in your gallbladder to help to eject the stones come

> > cleansing time.

>

> Yes, I totally agree and that's what I've always read. But the

post I was

> responding to seemed to indicate that fasting is a hindrance to a

good flush

> because you need to eat to build up the bile. If eating non-fat

keeps the

> bile from being used and therefore lets it build up, why wouldn't

fasting do

> the same thing?? Fasting is about as nonfat as you can get!

> rachel~

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually Suzanne, it was I think that started the thread about

eating to make bile, etc. I did comment a little on it but was not

the original postee.

Barry.

> Hi ,

> I believe that it was Barry,

> Suzanne

> > Well, actually I did respond to the one that posted the original

> message. He

> > was writing specifically about fasting vs eating to build up

bile.

> That

> > implies that the act of eating produces bile somehow and that

> fasting would

> > not. Hopefully the writer of the original message will respond

> to clarify

> > what he meant. I was hoping that the subject line of my post

> would be

> > enough to get his attention. I don't honestly remember who

it

> was and I

> > don't save old mail, so I'd have to go through the archives to

find

> it. If

> > I don't get a response I will do that and find out who it was.

> >

> > Thanks!

> > rachel~

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes , I see what you were asking now. I was saying that

continual bile flow is more desirable to eliminate stones whereas

fasting can produce stones. I think was saying that with his

original post. Also, eating does produce more bile depending on what

you eat. If you stop eating, your body will have nothing to form bile

with. Or at least it will be at a much slower and less contiual

state. Bile needs to come from somewhere and eating is the only way

to add the ingredients needed for bile. Bile salts, water,

cholesterol, and that R stuff has to come from something that you

eat. So more eating makes more fluid and flows more continually.

This is only my own 'short' mental imagine of what the body is doing

when it produces and moves bile. Maybe I'm wrong but I think this

easily explains s question in a logical way.

s answer is still being waited on. :-)

Barry.

> Yes, Barry I hear what you are saying, but no it doesn't answer the

question.

> (thanks for trying, though.) I really appreciate all the effort

so many

> have taken to respond to this, but it's all going in a different

direction.

> It wasn't about whether or not fasting was healthy in general.

From my

> personal experience in this area, nobody would be able to convince

me that

> it's unhealthy.

>

> The question was directed to , who said (this is not a direct

quote)

> that fasting wasn't good because you need to eat in order to build

up bile.

> I have never read that eating does anything to build up bile and I

have

> understood that the liver is constantly producing bile and it's

just stored

> in the gallbladder. So, I wanted to know a little more about what

he was

> suggesting about the need to eat in order to build up bile.

>

> I have reposted his original message and asked the question again.

Perhaps

> he will eventually see it and respond to it.

>

> thanks,

> rachel~

>

>

>

> barry91162@y... writes:

> > I think I can explain what you are asking for. Fasting one day

before

> > a flush is good for building up bile for the flush. This is good.

But

> > fasting all the time in your life in longer periods of time could

> > actually be a negative to your body. Fasting produces more stones

in

> > some cases because the bile is flowing and then stagnated by a

long-

> > er type of fast and then started again, over and over. A more

> > continual bile flow is recommended for better gb health. So,

people

> > without stone problems don't have to worry as much about fasting

as

> > people who already have stones. Does this make sense?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

barry91162@... writes:

> I see what you were asking now. I was saying that

> continual bile flow is more desirable to eliminate stones whereas

> fasting can produce stones. I think was saying that with his

> original post. Also, eating does produce more bile depending on what

> you eat. If you stop eating, your body will have nothing to form bile

> with. Or at least it will be at a much slower and less contiual

> state.

Well, perhaps that was what was trying to say. Perhaps one day he will

read his email and respond directly. So for now I will just ask you, since

you are saying something about eating producing bile. First you said that

if you stop eating the body will have nothing to form bile with - or at least

it will be slower. Those seem to be two different statements. I'm not

picking here - I just really want to get to the bottom line. If you think

that eating produces bile, which foods would you eat to encourage the

production of bile, or are you suggesting that it's just food in general.

And I don't want to be driving this into the ground here, but I think that

it's not good to make a sweeping statement like " fasting can produce stones " .

First of all, many of the gallbladder cleansing sites that I've read

encourage a juice fast of anywhere from 1 to 7 days prior to a cleanse.

Second of all, it is extended fasting in an unhealthy way that could

contribute to (but not be solely responsible for) the production of stones.

There's an important distinction there. So yes, okay, if a person has a

serious problem with gallstones and wants to do an extended juice fast, maybe

it would be a good idea to add olive oil or flax seed oil to the juice once a

day. That would activate the gallbladder and avoid,as you say, stagnating

bile. But there's no need to completely rule out fasting - as long as it's

done wisely and in a healthy way.

So okay, now back to the question. If eating produces bile, what type of

food does the body need in order to produce that bile? Could it not

possibly be from fruits and vegetables that could be juiced??

rachel~

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/10/02 6:21:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

barry91162@... writes:

> Hope this clarifies some thoughts. I hope that someone can tell the

> group with what is the best foods, veggies, herbs, etc for promoting

> bile production and flow.

>

Clarified completely I've attempted to answer the question about which

foods/herbs to use to stimulate bile production and flow, but I'm hoping that

others will have info to add to is as well.

thanks,

rachel~

" And now I know, as sure as any immutable law of nature, that the value of

our existence can only be measured in the hearts of those we love and who

love us in return. In the end, my family was my greatest joy. "

(from " In Her Defense " by Horn)

[Guest guest]

,

Yes, eating does produce bile as well as producing all bodily fluids.

If you don't eat anything, nothing will be made, right? First look at

what bile consists of and then you can determine what to eat in order

to increase it's production, and even flow (consistancy). Bile comes

from the liver and has to be made from what you put into the

ingredience of bile. Bile is made up of; water, cholesterol, bile

salts, and rib. (that r word, can't remember how to spell it, sorry.)

So, foods or drinks, herbs, etc will provide the ingredience's to

support, produce, and consistancy of the fluid bile.

I've read on some gallstone diet sites what is helpful to increase

bile production and flow but can't remember all the herbs, veggies,

etc. Maybe someone else who is more 'nutricianal' minded can answer

this for the group. Things like dandelion roots, radishes, etc help

production and consistancy. Lecithin helps in supporting the function

of emulsifying the fats, etc. I'm not really sure what you should eat

more of to produce more bile but definitely that is the case. Help

anyone with foods for bile productiong and flow?

'Fasting can produce stones' was not meant as a sweeping general

statement. More of an informational response. Of course if fasting is

done correctly there is nothing to worry about. One or a few days of

fasting with juices should be fine. It's the people who over-fast

that can stagnate bile and produce more stones on top of a gb that is

functioning incorrently to begin with. I hope you didn't think I was

against fasting. Not in the least. I just wanted people to know that

I have read it on liver sites as a 'cause of gallstones'. Should be

studied very carefully for people who fast extensively and have bile

stagnation problems.

Hope this clarifies some thoughts. I hope that someone can tell the

group with what is the best foods, veggies, herbs, etc for promoting

bile production and flow.

Be Healthy.

Barry.

> barry91162@y... writes:

> > I see what you were asking now. I was saying that

> > continual bile flow is more desirable to eliminate stones whereas

> > fasting can produce stones. I think was saying that with

his

> > original post. Also, eating does produce more bile depending on

what

> > you eat. If you stop eating, your body will have nothing to form

bile

> > with. Or at least it will be at a much slower and less contiual

> > state.

>

> Well, perhaps that was what was trying to say. Perhaps one

day he will

> read his email and respond directly. So for now I will just ask

you, since

> you are saying something about eating producing bile. First you

said that

> if you stop eating the body will have nothing to form bile with -

or at least

> it will be slower. Those seem to be two different statements. I'm

not

> picking here - I just really want to get to the bottom line. If

you think

> that eating produces bile, which foods would you eat to encourage

the

> production of bile, or are you suggesting that it's just food in

general.

>

> And I don't want to be driving this into the ground here, but I

think that

> it's not good to make a sweeping statement like " fasting can

produce stones " .

> First of all, many of the gallbladder cleansing sites that I've

read

> encourage a juice fast of anywhere from 1 to 7 days prior to a

cleanse.

> Second of all, it is extended fasting in an unhealthy way that

could

> contribute to (but not be solely responsible for) the production of

stones.

> There's an important distinction there. So yes, okay, if a person

has a

> serious problem with gallstones and wants to do an extended juice

fast, maybe

> it would be a good idea to add olive oil or flax seed oil to the

juice once a

> day. That would activate the gallbladder and avoid,as you say,

stagnating

> bile. But there's no need to completely rule out fasting - as

long as it's

> done wisely and in a healthy way.

>

> So okay, now back to the question. If eating produces bile, what

type of

> food does the body need in order to produce that bile? Could it

not

> possibly be from fruits and vegetables that could be juiced??

>

> rachel~

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, this is in response to the question about bile. I deleted the original

message my mail box gets too full. In " The Cure for All Diseases " page 129The

liver makes bile and sends toxic items along with it to the intestine through

the bile ducts. The bile enables calcium and fat to be absorbed. If the liver

isn't getting much bile to the intestine, fat is left in the bowel contents and

the feces will float in the toilet bowl. that is your clue to bile duct

blockage.---Bile is bright green. Mixed with intestinal contents it turns the

bowel movement dark brown. If the bile is not arriving in the intestine the

bowel movement will stay light colored,even yellow or orange. This is another

clue to bile duct blockage.Over a quart of bile should exit the body each day.

sincebile is loaded with cholesterol levels this daily excretion of bile is a

major method of keeping cholesterol levels low. Hope this helps.... Ruth

Rachd1961@... wrote: In a message dated 3/9/02 8:49:48 AM Eastern Standard

Time,

suzanne_on_ca@... writes:

> . Perhaps it

> was meant to mean " eat a non-fat meal as opposed to a fatty one - to

> help to build up bile. "

> You may get more clarification by writing directly to the one that

> posted the original message.

>

Well, actually I did respond to the one that posted the original message. He

was writing specifically about fasting vs eating to build up bile. That

implies that the act of eating produces bile somehow and that fasting would

not. Hopefully the writer of the original message will respond to clarify

what he meant. I was hoping that the subject line of my post would be

enough to get his attention. I don't honestly remember who it was and I

don't save old mail, so I'd have to go through the archives to find it. If

I don't get a response I will do that and find out who it was.

Thanks!

rachel~

[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting this; it's enlightening. I notice that my stool

varies a lot from bm to bm: sometimes dark brown and sinking, other

times lighter brown and then often floating.

The ideal, healthy stool, should be, according to Mark Konlee of

keephope.net, medium brown (which I suppose is " moderately dark " ?)

and floating. The floating does then not come from blocked bile

(which he doesn't discuss), but from production of short-chain fatty

acids in a colon inhabited by " friendly " gut bacteria.

-- Helge

>Hi, this is in response to the question about bile. I deleted the

>original message my mail box gets too full. In " The Cure for All

>Diseases " page 129The liver makes bile and sends toxic items along

>with it to the intestine through the bile ducts. The bile enables

>calcium and fat to be absorbed. If the liver isn't getting much

>bile to the intestine, fat is left in the bowel contents and the

>feces will float in the toilet bowl. that is your clue to bile duct

>blockage.---Bile is bright green. Mixed with intestinal contents it

>turns the bowel movement dark brown. If the bile is not arriving in

>the intestine the bowel movement will stay light colored,even yellow

>or orange. This is another clue to bile duct blockage.Over a quart

>of bile should exit the body each day. sincebile is loaded with

>cholesterol levels this daily excretion of bile is a major method of

>keeping cholesterol levels low. Hope this helps.... Ruth