Guest guest Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 I am interested in this too!!!! ________________________________ To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 3:27 PM Subject: Re: : Tobit  There are many things in this Godly Book of Wisdom that can teach us ordinary things in ordinary life. We just need to read it as a guide book rather than a lofty novel of unreachable understanding. When we really begin to read through it...well, I'll send you some videos that co relate to the some of the history in the Bible. I use these in my classes. I will send them in your email. M ________________________________ To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:05 PM Subject: Re: : Tobit   I had not ever heard of this story but your message has had me intregued so I have looked it up and could not put it down  Found these two articles about it but there is actually a very lot across the net  http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resource.php?n=1248   there is a very lot, a very lot indeed to be taken from this and I am sure that further reading will reveal more to me  This with the fish is pretty amazing, particularly when it is refering to the organs of the fish. Studies of wolves have shown that the dominant wolf in the pack always gets the organs and will then eat some of the meat and bones, and the others will then share what is left. It is claimed by the paleo gang organs are the most nutritious part of the animal. And Jan Kwasneiwski (Optimal Diet) tells us to eat certain organs to heal specific illnesses.  I like the bit about demons being found in the 'worldiness' or as I say to my children, the city. Tobit lived outside his city which in them days would have been much milder than Eygpt, a major power house, but still Tobit lived away. I have moved away from the town and I can tell you just doing that brought my stress levels down by half. We still have some problems here, some pollution, problems finding great food, etc, but the pace is so so much better for my health  I have also noticed when looking at our family tree that those who lived most closely to the town centres had the worse health and died younger too  Anyway, I will get back to reading this book because it is talking my language  thank you  Love Joanne     ________________________________ To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured > Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2011, 15:10 Subject: joanne  Yes, Joanne, if we read throughout the Bible we can see diets and types of healings. In Tobit(one of my favorites) is filled with interesting types of healing that take place. Raphael is mentioned many times, he is considered the archangel of healing. Each time I get sick, I remember Tobit, and begin a fish regimen. Chapter 6 reveals fish curing properties. Scientists are looking at this particular fish that is only found in the Tigris for its curing properties. Now you who are familiar with the Bible can point out so much more. This is why I love teaching about our Faith. Each time I say something and the children go 'huh?', I give them the scripture verse and say,'Don't look at me, read the Bible...here check book...' God is the author of science. I have had an interesting week so far am doing okay. I should start the glutomine soon...just looking at it at the moment. I get a bit 'chicken' before beginning a new remedy. We shall see, I'll let you know what happens. ________________________________ To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:52 AM Subject: Re: Carol: I have had a better day today  This is really great Joanne. I hope you continue onward. I know how it feels to have a family like yours. It is so hard to handle sometimes. What I learned to do, I don't know if it is healthy, is I play a mind game with myself. When I hear them speaking, I act like I have never met them and their words bounce off of me. I hear them and answer questions but have no reactions, I don't let them enter my soul. That way I can love them. Sometimes this doesn't work though.  I then except what ever request this person may have and jump right to it. Then it is over with and I can robot on. It does make me want to move out of state sometimes, lol. You might could move and take your dad with you, lol My birthday was Tuesday and last night I ate 2 pieces of cake. This morning I have a migraine. I have had the baby all week too. So I probably won't be on here much today. I shouldn't of had the cake. Take care, Carol ________________________________ To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:26 PM Subject: Carol: I have had a better day today  Carol  I finally got to church and I went out today with my church friends, the weather was great, it is like mid sommer here in England and I kinda felt like I was on my holidays.  Although we do not go out together much when we do we are all so amazed at how like minded we are, we chatted about a lot of stuff and I got a chance to air a bit of my current sadness, which is only now showing, I am far less intense than I have been lately  What was really funny was one of my closest friends (she knows I am on the diet but she does not know about the spiritual things relating to it, and she did not ask me this because I am on the diet, she just asked me) she said you know in the bible when Jesus releases that child of the dumb spirit, in some bibles they call it a demon, I dont know about that how can it be a demon when it is just a dumb spirit? Being dumb is not demonic, it is easy enough for somebody spiritual to help a person who cannot speak to speak, I do not believe not being able to talk is demonic.  I said to her are you talking about the healing in Mark where Jesus says this kind can only come out by prayer and fasting, and I then pointed to everybodies plates. They were all eating cakes biscuits etc, and I, as usual when I am with them just had a cup of tea  She clicked immediately and said yes yes, it only comes out by prayer and fasting. what is it you are saying Joanne  I said, you know I water fast sometimes and you have heard me say I cannot eat bread biscuits cakes and all that. She said yes. Well I said if I eat these foods here that you all eat my mind will change and I will become very overwhelmed with sadness. It is a strange sadness because it is not a sadness like the sadness I shared earlier (meaning my current load of balony LOL). I said it is a crippling sadness, one where I cannot walk, I cannot hold my bowel, I cannot hold my bladder, my world is so terrible. Whereas right now you look at me and my eyes are clear and you see Joanne devoted spirit, vibrant soul, etc this is not the person I become when I eat those foods.  When I eat those foods another Joanne appears the body Joanne. It is a nightmare where I can see no joy, no peace, no release. Everything is terribly hard and I do not feel spiritual at all. I feel very dead inside, I feel so very lost  I cry out to God but I feel like He cannot hear me and inside I am all shaky and lonely. I have no power over this and I feel like it will never end. If I persist with those foods, if I just keep eating them I can wind up in a very very dark pit. It is not good  If I do do this, which of course you know I never do now, but back in the early days I did still return to the foods, and other stuff too like cigarettes, medication and all this stuff, but now I am able to resist and I do not return to any of it. But for arguments sake lets say if I did return to the foods I will in a very short time slide and slide and slide back into that madness and everything will seem very bleak and if I really go right down I will feel like not only have I lost God but lost myself too. I will feel like I have no spirit, no soul no nothing  Oh no, said my other friend that was listening  I turned and said, you know where the bible said that on many occasion the evil spirit had become more violent throwing the man in the fire and so on, this is how it is when I attempt to fast. As bad as it is normally, when I try to fast it is ten times more violent, 10 times more scary, 10 times more hopeless, and with every moment up until ketosis( which I briefly explained scietifically) it becomes more and more intense. So much so that moments before I enter ketosis I will feel like I am about to die.  I told them about the past when I was convinced that I would die because all this was so hard (remember back then I was trying to achieve a lot of this on my own, it was only when told me about the higher fat being more appropriate than the protein etc that I started finding all this much easier), but anyay, when I did all this in the early days the intesity of the illness was terrible I would fall to the floor thinking I would die, I said the bible says that at the very moment the evil spirit leaves the boy the boy falls to the floor as if dead. Yes, I said this is how it used to be for me, I would fall and say I cannot stand this, and right at the minute I said this the shaking and crazy crazy intense feelings I was suffering just shriveled up (I pointed to my head where I have my troubles) and right there it feels like it just flies out of me  And all of a sudden (as ketosis hits and GABA hits, I explained) the crazy pain and disability just leaves me and I am as you see me now. I said I could explain this scientifically or spiritually I have a grasp of both but what has really impacted me is not the theories but the reality of all the healings I have seen when people with many different illnesses do this kind of thing and get well. It has made me see that all illness is at least at some level from the deviland more amazingly all illness can be relieved at least at some level by prayer and fasting  Oh no, said one of my friends I could not deal with the devel like that Joanne, are you not terribly scared. No, I said and laughed, I am just overjoyed that this terribly terribly bad bad bad illness of mine can be healed in this way. what more proof do I need that Jesus loves me.  My friend was very perplexed, but not me, I do not see the devil in this any more than I do in any affliction but I certainly see my Lord in this, Amen Amen said the friend that asked me about the demonic thing in the first place, she said, now I see exactly what you have been saying for a long time. I smiled knowingly. but inside I was thinking I really do wish you did know what this is like, there really is nothing more enlightening than this, nothing more comforting, nothing more special, it is a wonderful wonderful thing to know how much I am blessed.  Love Joanne   ________________________________ To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured > Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2011, 18:32 Subject: Re: new  Hi Jani, I was a silent member for a while also, lol.  I was diagnosed the same as you and was on a lot of meds through the years, then they added PTSD.  I got so tired of being sick and on so much medicine. Then I found this place. I read Bee's supplement list and started them. Within a month I no longer needed all the meds, needed no naps, and got up and did things I wasn't able to do in four years. Some things I still have to deal with but, they are normal things. Like life, lol. I think what started all mine was the type of repetitive work I use to do, then a promotion that was more than I could handle but, I did it anyway, car accident, then cancer. I keep telling myself that I am still here and just help others and let go of the past. I think my mind likes to torture my heart, lol. It is really great to meet you and I look forward to new friendships. Have a great day!!! Carol B. ________________________________ To: fibromyalgiacured Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:53 PM Subject: Re: new  Hi, I have belonged to this group for awhile, but have not posted or really participated. I developed Fibro and Chronic Myofascial pain following a serious car accident. My specialist has had me on all kinds of meds, most of which I had allergic reactions. I have had physical therapy numerous times but it is only a temporary fix.I am trying to read all of these posts... Anyway, I live in Ohio, kids are grown, have two grandkids, work with dog rescue but am basically disabled...Jani Jani only a temporary fix. My___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 I can only send these in personal emails due to rules and regs. ________________________________ To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:34 PM Subject: Re: : Tobit  I am interested in this too!!!! ________________________________ To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 3:27 PM Subject: Re: : Tobit  There are many things in this Godly Book of Wisdom that can teach us ordinary things in ordinary life. We just need to read it as a guide book rather than a lofty novel of unreachable understanding. When we really begin to read through it...well, I'll send you some videos that co relate to the some of the history in the Bible. I use these in my classes. I will send them in your email. M ________________________________ To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:05 PM Subject: Re: : Tobit   I had not ever heard of this story but your message has had me intregued so I have looked it up and could not put it down  Found these two articles about it but there is actually a very lot across the net  http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resource.php?n=1248   there is a very lot, a very lot indeed to be taken from this and I am sure that further reading will reveal more to me  This with the fish is pretty amazing, particularly when it is refering to the organs of the fish. Studies of wolves have shown that the dominant wolf in the pack always gets the organs and will then eat some of the meat and bones, and the others will then share what is left. It is claimed by the paleo gang organs are the most nutritious part of the animal. And Jan Kwasneiwski (Optimal Diet) tells us to eat certain organs to heal specific illnesses.  I like the bit about demons being found in the 'worldiness' or as I say to my children, the city. Tobit lived outside his city which in them days would have been much milder than Eygpt, a major power house, but still Tobit lived away. I have moved away from the town and I can tell you just doing that brought my stress levels down by half. We still have some problems here, some pollution, problems finding great food, etc, but the pace is so so much better for my health  I have also noticed when looking at our family tree that those who lived most closely to the town centres had the worse health and died younger too  Anyway, I will get back to reading this book because it is talking my language  thank you  Love Joanne     ________________________________ To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured > Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2011, 15:10 Subject: joanne  Yes, Joanne, if we read throughout the Bible we can see diets and types of healings. In Tobit(one of my favorites) is filled with interesting types of healing that take place. Raphael is mentioned many times, he is considered the archangel of healing. Each time I get sick, I remember Tobit, and begin a fish regimen. Chapter 6 reveals fish curing properties. Scientists are looking at this particular fish that is only found in the Tigris for its curing properties. Now you who are familiar with the Bible can point out so much more. This is why I love teaching about our Faith. Each time I say something and the children go 'huh?', I give them the scripture verse and say,'Don't look at me, read the Bible...here check book...' God is the author of science. I have had an interesting week so far am doing okay. I should start the glutomine soon...just looking at it at the moment. I get a bit 'chicken' before beginning a new remedy. We shall see, I'll let you know what happens. ________________________________ To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:52 AM Subject: Re: Carol: I have had a better day today  This is really great Joanne. I hope you continue onward. I know how it feels to have a family like yours. It is so hard to handle sometimes. What I learned to do, I don't know if it is healthy, is I play a mind game with myself. When I hear them speaking, I act like I have never met them and their words bounce off of me. I hear them and answer questions but have no reactions, I don't let them enter my soul. That way I can love them. Sometimes this doesn't work though.  I then except what ever request this person may have and jump right to it. Then it is over with and I can robot on. It does make me want to move out of state sometimes, lol. You might could move and take your dad with you, lol My birthday was Tuesday and last night I ate 2 pieces of cake. This morning I have a migraine. I have had the baby all week too. So I probably won't be on here much today. I shouldn't of had the cake. Take care, Carol ________________________________ To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:26 PM Subject: Carol: I have had a better day today  Carol  I finally got to church and I went out today with my church friends, the weather was great, it is like mid sommer here in England and I kinda felt like I was on my holidays.  Although we do not go out together much when we do we are all so amazed at how like minded we are, we chatted about a lot of stuff and I got a chance to air a bit of my current sadness, which is only now showing, I am far less intense than I have been lately  What was really funny was one of my closest friends (she knows I am on the diet but she does not know about the spiritual things relating to it, and she did not ask me this because I am on the diet, she just asked me) she said you know in the bible when Jesus releases that child of the dumb spirit, in some bibles they call it a demon, I dont know about that how can it be a demon when it is just a dumb spirit? Being dumb is not demonic, it is easy enough for somebody spiritual to help a person who cannot speak to speak, I do not believe not being able to talk is demonic.  I said to her are you talking about the healing in Mark where Jesus says this kind can only come out by prayer and fasting, and I then pointed to everybodies plates. They were all eating cakes biscuits etc, and I, as usual when I am with them just had a cup of tea  She clicked immediately and said yes yes, it only comes out by prayer and fasting. what is it you are saying Joanne  I said, you know I water fast sometimes and you have heard me say I cannot eat bread biscuits cakes and all that. She said yes. Well I said if I eat these foods here that you all eat my mind will change and I will become very overwhelmed with sadness. It is a strange sadness because it is not a sadness like the sadness I shared earlier (meaning my current load of balony LOL). I said it is a crippling sadness, one where I cannot walk, I cannot hold my bowel, I cannot hold my bladder, my world is so terrible. Whereas right now you look at me and my eyes are clear and you see Joanne devoted spirit, vibrant soul, etc this is not the person I become when I eat those foods.  When I eat those foods another Joanne appears the body Joanne. It is a nightmare where I can see no joy, no peace, no release. Everything is terribly hard and I do not feel spiritual at all. I feel very dead inside, I feel so very lost  I cry out to God but I feel like He cannot hear me and inside I am all shaky and lonely. I have no power over this and I feel like it will never end. If I persist with those foods, if I just keep eating them I can wind up in a very very dark pit. It is not good  If I do do this, which of course you know I never do now, but back in the early days I did still return to the foods, and other stuff too like cigarettes, medication and all this stuff, but now I am able to resist and I do not return to any of it. But for arguments sake lets say if I did return to the foods I will in a very short time slide and slide and slide back into that madness and everything will seem very bleak and if I really go right down I will feel like not only have I lost God but lost myself too. I will feel like I have no spirit, no soul no nothing  Oh no, said my other friend that was listening  I turned and said, you know where the bible said that on many occasion the evil spirit had become more violent throwing the man in the fire and so on, this is how it is when I attempt to fast. As bad as it is normally, when I try to fast it is ten times more violent, 10 times more scary, 10 times more hopeless, and with every moment up until ketosis( which I briefly explained scietifically) it becomes more and more intense. So much so that moments before I enter ketosis I will feel like I am about to die.  I told them about the past when I was convinced that I would die because all this was so hard (remember back then I was trying to achieve a lot of this on my own, it was only when told me about the higher fat being more appropriate than the protein etc that I started finding all this much easier), but anyay, when I did all this in the early days the intesity of the illness was terrible I would fall to the floor thinking I would die, I said the bible says that at the very moment the evil spirit leaves the boy the boy falls to the floor as if dead. Yes, I said this is how it used to be for me, I would fall and say I cannot stand this, and right at the minute I said this the shaking and crazy crazy intense feelings I was suffering just shriveled up (I pointed to my head where I have my troubles) and right there it feels like it just flies out of me  And all of a sudden (as ketosis hits and GABA hits, I explained) the crazy pain and disability just leaves me and I am as you see me now. I said I could explain this scientifically or spiritually I have a grasp of both but what has really impacted me is not the theories but the reality of all the healings I have seen when people with many different illnesses do this kind of thing and get well. It has made me see that all illness is at least at some level from the deviland more amazingly all illness can be relieved at least at some level by prayer and fasting  Oh no, said one of my friends I could not deal with the devel like that Joanne, are you not terribly scared. No, I said and laughed, I am just overjoyed that this terribly terribly bad bad bad illness of mine can be healed in this way. what more proof do I need that Jesus loves me.  My friend was very perplexed, but not me, I do not see the devil in this any more than I do in any affliction but I certainly see my Lord in this, Amen Amen said the friend that asked me about the demonic thing in the first place, she said, now I see exactly what you have been saying for a long time. I smiled knowingly. but inside I was thinking I really do wish you did know what this is like, there really is nothing more enlightening than this, nothing more comforting, nothing more special, it is a wonderful wonderful thing to know how much I am blessed.  Love Joanne   ________________________________ To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured > Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2011, 18:32 Subject: Re: new  Hi Jani, I was a silent member for a while also, lol.  I was diagnosed the same as you and was on a lot of meds through the years, then they added PTSD.  I got so tired of being sick and on so much medicine. Then I found this place. I read Bee's supplement list and started them. Within a month I no longer needed all the meds, needed no naps, and got up and did things I wasn't able to do in four years. Some things I still have to deal with but, they are normal things. Like life, lol. I think what started all mine was the type of repetitive work I use to do, then a promotion that was more than I could handle but, I did it anyway, car accident, then cancer. I keep telling myself that I am still here and just help others and let go of the past. I think my mind likes to torture my heart, lol. It is really great to meet you and I look forward to new friendships. Have a great day!!! Carol B. ________________________________ To: fibromyalgiacured Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:53 PM Subject: Re: new  Hi, I have belonged to this group for awhile, but have not posted or really participated. I developed Fibro and Chronic Myofascial pain following a serious car accident. My specialist has had me on all kinds of meds, most of which I had allergic reactions. I have had physical therapy numerous times but it is only a temporary fix.I am trying to read all of these posts... Anyway, I live in Ohio, kids are grown, have two grandkids, work with dog rescue but am basically disabled...Jani Jani only a temporary fix. My___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Okay...I sent it. You should be getting it unless, of course, the boogey yahoo beast, won't let my mail go through again. ________________________________ To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:34 PM Subject: Re: : Tobit  I am interested in this too!!!! ________________________________ To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 3:27 PM Subject: Re: : Tobit  There are many things in this Godly Book of Wisdom that can teach us ordinary things in ordinary life. We just need to read it as a guide book rather than a lofty novel of unreachable understanding. When we really begin to read through it...well, I'll send you some videos that co relate to the some of the history in the Bible. I use these in my classes. I will send them in your email. M ________________________________ To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:05 PM Subject: Re: : Tobit   I had not ever heard of this story but your message has had me intregued so I have looked it up and could not put it down  Found these two articles about it but there is actually a very lot across the net  http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resource.php?n=1248   there is a very lot, a very lot indeed to be taken from this and I am sure that further reading will reveal more to me  This with the fish is pretty amazing, particularly when it is refering to the organs of the fish. Studies of wolves have shown that the dominant wolf in the pack always gets the organs and will then eat some of the meat and bones, and the others will then share what is left. It is claimed by the paleo gang organs are the most nutritious part of the animal. And Jan Kwasneiwski (Optimal Diet) tells us to eat certain organs to heal specific illnesses.  I like the bit about demons being found in the 'worldiness' or as I say to my children, the city. Tobit lived outside his city which in them days would have been much milder than Eygpt, a major power house, but still Tobit lived away. I have moved away from the town and I can tell you just doing that brought my stress levels down by half. We still have some problems here, some pollution, problems finding great food, etc, but the pace is so so much better for my health  I have also noticed when looking at our family tree that those who lived most closely to the town centres had the worse health and died younger too  Anyway, I will get back to reading this book because it is talking my language  thank you  Love Joanne     ________________________________ To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured > Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2011, 15:10 Subject: joanne  Yes, Joanne, if we read throughout the Bible we can see diets and types of healings. In Tobit(one of my favorites) is filled with interesting types of healing that take place. Raphael is mentioned many times, he is considered the archangel of healing. Each time I get sick, I remember Tobit, and begin a fish regimen. Chapter 6 reveals fish curing properties. Scientists are looking at this particular fish that is only found in the Tigris for its curing properties. Now you who are familiar with the Bible can point out so much more. This is why I love teaching about our Faith. Each time I say something and the children go 'huh?', I give them the scripture verse and say,'Don't look at me, read the Bible...here check book...' God is the author of science. I have had an interesting week so far am doing okay. I should start the glutomine soon...just looking at it at the moment. I get a bit 'chicken' before beginning a new remedy. We shall see, I'll let you know what happens. ________________________________ To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:52 AM Subject: Re: Carol: I have had a better day today  This is really great Joanne. I hope you continue onward. I know how it feels to have a family like yours. It is so hard to handle sometimes. What I learned to do, I don't know if it is healthy, is I play a mind game with myself. When I hear them speaking, I act like I have never met them and their words bounce off of me. I hear them and answer questions but have no reactions, I don't let them enter my soul. That way I can love them. Sometimes this doesn't work though.  I then except what ever request this person may have and jump right to it. Then it is over with and I can robot on. It does make me want to move out of state sometimes, lol. You might could move and take your dad with you, lol My birthday was Tuesday and last night I ate 2 pieces of cake. This morning I have a migraine. I have had the baby all week too. So I probably won't be on here much today. I shouldn't of had the cake. Take care, Carol ________________________________ To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:26 PM Subject: Carol: I have had a better day today  Carol  I finally got to church and I went out today with my church friends, the weather was great, it is like mid sommer here in England and I kinda felt like I was on my holidays.  Although we do not go out together much when we do we are all so amazed at how like minded we are, we chatted about a lot of stuff and I got a chance to air a bit of my current sadness, which is only now showing, I am far less intense than I have been lately  What was really funny was one of my closest friends (she knows I am on the diet but she does not know about the spiritual things relating to it, and she did not ask me this because I am on the diet, she just asked me) she said you know in the bible when Jesus releases that child of the dumb spirit, in some bibles they call it a demon, I dont know about that how can it be a demon when it is just a dumb spirit? Being dumb is not demonic, it is easy enough for somebody spiritual to help a person who cannot speak to speak, I do not believe not being able to talk is demonic.  I said to her are you talking about the healing in Mark where Jesus says this kind can only come out by prayer and fasting, and I then pointed to everybodies plates. They were all eating cakes biscuits etc, and I, as usual when I am with them just had a cup of tea  She clicked immediately and said yes yes, it only comes out by prayer and fasting. what is it you are saying Joanne  I said, you know I water fast sometimes and you have heard me say I cannot eat bread biscuits cakes and all that. She said yes. Well I said if I eat these foods here that you all eat my mind will change and I will become very overwhelmed with sadness. It is a strange sadness because it is not a sadness like the sadness I shared earlier (meaning my current load of balony LOL). I said it is a crippling sadness, one where I cannot walk, I cannot hold my bowel, I cannot hold my bladder, my world is so terrible. Whereas right now you look at me and my eyes are clear and you see Joanne devoted spirit, vibrant soul, etc this is not the person I become when I eat those foods.  When I eat those foods another Joanne appears the body Joanne. It is a nightmare where I can see no joy, no peace, no release. Everything is terribly hard and I do not feel spiritual at all. I feel very dead inside, I feel so very lost  I cry out to God but I feel like He cannot hear me and inside I am all shaky and lonely. I have no power over this and I feel like it will never end. If I persist with those foods, if I just keep eating them I can wind up in a very very dark pit. It is not good  If I do do this, which of course you know I never do now, but back in the early days I did still return to the foods, and other stuff too like cigarettes, medication and all this stuff, but now I am able to resist and I do not return to any of it. But for arguments sake lets say if I did return to the foods I will in a very short time slide and slide and slide back into that madness and everything will seem very bleak and if I really go right down I will feel like not only have I lost God but lost myself too. I will feel like I have no spirit, no soul no nothing  Oh no, said my other friend that was listening  I turned and said, you know where the bible said that on many occasion the evil spirit had become more violent throwing the man in the fire and so on, this is how it is when I attempt to fast. As bad as it is normally, when I try to fast it is ten times more violent, 10 times more scary, 10 times more hopeless, and with every moment up until ketosis( which I briefly explained scietifically) it becomes more and more intense. So much so that moments before I enter ketosis I will feel like I am about to die.  I told them about the past when I was convinced that I would die because all this was so hard (remember back then I was trying to achieve a lot of this on my own, it was only when told me about the higher fat being more appropriate than the protein etc that I started finding all this much easier), but anyay, when I did all this in the early days the intesity of the illness was terrible I would fall to the floor thinking I would die, I said the bible says that at the very moment the evil spirit leaves the boy the boy falls to the floor as if dead. Yes, I said this is how it used to be for me, I would fall and say I cannot stand this, and right at the minute I said this the shaking and crazy crazy intense feelings I was suffering just shriveled up (I pointed to my head where I have my troubles) and right there it feels like it just flies out of me  And all of a sudden (as ketosis hits and GABA hits, I explained) the crazy pain and disability just leaves me and I am as you see me now. I said I could explain this scientifically or spiritually I have a grasp of both but what has really impacted me is not the theories but the reality of all the healings I have seen when people with many different illnesses do this kind of thing and get well. It has made me see that all illness is at least at some level from the deviland more amazingly all illness can be relieved at least at some level by prayer and fasting  Oh no, said one of my friends I could not deal with the devel like that Joanne, are you not terribly scared. No, I said and laughed, I am just overjoyed that this terribly terribly bad bad bad illness of mine can be healed in this way. what more proof do I need that Jesus loves me.  My friend was very perplexed, but not me, I do not see the devil in this any more than I do in any affliction but I certainly see my Lord in this, Amen Amen said the friend that asked me about the demonic thing in the first place, she said, now I see exactly what you have been saying for a long time. I smiled knowingly. but inside I was thinking I really do wish you did know what this is like, there really is nothing more enlightening than this, nothing more comforting, nothing more special, it is a wonderful wonderful thing to know how much I am blessed.  Love Joanne   ________________________________ To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured > Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2011, 18:32 Subject: Re: new  Hi Jani, I was a silent member for a while also, lol.  I was diagnosed the same as you and was on a lot of meds through the years, then they added PTSD.  I got so tired of being sick and on so much medicine. Then I found this place. I read Bee's supplement list and started them. Within a month I no longer needed all the meds, needed no naps, and got up and did things I wasn't able to do in four years. Some things I still have to deal with but, they are normal things. Like life, lol. I think what started all mine was the type of repetitive work I use to do, then a promotion that was more than I could handle but, I did it anyway, car accident, then cancer. I keep telling myself that I am still here and just help others and let go of the past. I think my mind likes to torture my heart, lol. It is really great to meet you and I look forward to new friendships. Have a great day!!! Carol B. ________________________________ To: fibromyalgiacured Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:53 PM Subject: Re: new  Hi, I have belonged to this group for awhile, but have not posted or really participated. I developed Fibro and Chronic Myofascial pain following a serious car accident. My specialist has had me on all kinds of meds, most of which I had allergic reactions. I have had physical therapy numerous times but it is only a temporary fix.I am trying to read all of these posts... Anyway, I live in Ohio, kids are grown, have two grandkids, work with dog rescue but am basically disabled...Jani Jani only a temporary fix. My___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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