Re: fasting cleanse question

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Hi Karma,

Well, I would like to say first that I respect your decisions and what you are

doing but I am also wondering if you have done many fasts to work up to this

longer fasting you are undertaking. The reason I ask is that it can be quite

dangerous to fast if one hasn't built up over a period of years before taking on

a monumental fast such as the one you are describing and then to be cleansing at

the same time....this sounds a little dangerous to me? I guess if you have

conditioned your system to fast for long periods then that is safe in itself for

you as you have already done so but to cleanse during it...hmmm.....that is

pushing it because you will be giving up all your lifeforce nutritients in those

flushes. Just my speculative opinion.

Peace

Lu

----- Original Message -----

From: Karma Tucker

Gallstonesgroups (DOT) Com

Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 12:59 PM

Subject: fasting cleanse question

Hi Everyone,

I have a question that I would like some feedback for. I would like feedback so

I can decide what to do.

I have been fasting. My first day of my fast was February 3rd. I started on

Apple Juice, but an currently on lemon water with some cayenne pepper

occasionally. Mostly just lemon water. I am wanting to do a Liver Flush this

weekend.

Here is the question. Since I am not ready to break my fast yet. Don't plan to

break it until Easter, is it your opinion that a successful flush can occur

without eating? I usually fast a few days before the cleanse, but then eat a

potato the day of the cleanse to build up the bile. I usually do Dr. 's

Olive Oil/Grapefruit cleanse.

I have been Zapping daily and doing a Sea-Salt Flush each morning. In the

evening I do a colonic treatment. I was gearing up to do Castor Oil

Fomentations as suggested in Dr. 's Mucusless Diet and Cleansing

Program. I haven't actually started that yet. Thought I would do that after

the Liver Flush, IF I even do the flush this weekend.

Any thoughts? Please! :-)

~Karma

http://loaves-n-fishes.com

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Hi Lu,

Yes, I am an experienced faster. Thank you for your concern though. I am

very aware of my body and am in excellent health. I live a life of

prevention and have been blessed with wonderful health as a result. I

cleanse very deeply once a year. Usually during the Lent season because

people seem to understand abstaining at that time and don't ask too many

questions. This year I felt a need to start early on it. I have done

quite a few liver cleanses and have gotten out well over 2,000 stones. Yes,

I am one of those people who puts the colander in and counts each one.

Again, thank you for your concern.

~Karma

http://loaves-n-fishes.com

> Hi Karma,

> Well, I would like to say first that I respect your decisions and what you

are doing but I am also wondering if you have done many fasts to work up to

this longer fasting you are undertaking. The reason I ask is that it can be

quite dangerous to fast if one hasn't built up over a period of years before

taking on a monumental fast such as the one you are describing and then to

be cleansing at the same time....this sounds a little dangerous to me? I

guess if you have conditioned your system to fast for long periods then that

is safe in itself for you as you have already done so but to cleanse during

it...hmmm.....that is pushing it because you will be giving up all your

lifeforce nutritients in those flushes. Just my speculative opinion.

> Peace

> Lu

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Karma Tucker

> Gallstonesgroups (DOT) Com

> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 12:59 PM

> Subject: fasting cleanse question

>

>

> Hi Everyone,

> I have a question that I would like some feedback for. I would like

feedback so I can decide what to do.

>

> I have been fasting. My first day of my fast was February 3rd. I started

on Apple Juice, but an currently on lemon water with some cayenne pepper

occasionally. Mostly just lemon water. I am wanting to do a Liver Flush

this weekend.

>

> Here is the question. Since I am not ready to break my fast yet. Don't

plan to break it until Easter, is it your opinion that a successful flush

can occur without eating? I usually fast a few days before the cleanse,

but then eat a potato the day of the cleanse to build up the bile. I

usually do Dr. 's Olive Oil/Grapefruit cleanse.

>

> I have been Zapping daily and doing a Sea-Salt Flush each morning. In the

evening I do a colonic treatment. I was gearing up to do Castor Oil

Fomentations as suggested in Dr. 's Mucusless Diet and Cleansing

Program. I haven't actually started that yet. Thought I would do that

after the Liver Flush, IF I even do the flush this weekend.

>

> Any thoughts? Please! :-)

> ~Karma

> http://loaves-n-fishes.com

>

>

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In a message dated 3/7/02 2:06:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

tucker@... writes:

> Here is the question. Since I am not ready to break my fast yet. Don't

> plan to break it until Easter, is it your opinion that a successful flush

> can occur without eating?

Karma

The first time I ever did a liver cleanse was in the middle of an extended

juice fast. I had already been on the fast for at least 30 days when I did

the flush and it was incredibly successful. In fact, I've never had a

flush that was that amazingly successful. They've all been good, but

nothing like that first one.

I just thought I'd share my own experience with you in the hopes that it will

help.

in health,

rachel~

[Guest guest]

Karma,

Oh this is wonderful, yes you are very blessed if you have had excellent health

your life.

Peace

Lu

----- Original Message -----

From: Karma Tucker

gallstones

Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 4:10 PM

Subject: Re: fasting cleanse question

Hi Lu,

Yes, I am an experienced faster. Thank you for your concern though. I am

very aware of my body and am in excellent health. I live a life of

prevention and have been blessed with wonderful health as a result. I

cleanse very deeply once a year. Usually during the Lent season because

people seem to understand abstaining at that time and don't ask too many

questions. This year I felt a need to start early on it. I have done

quite a few liver cleanses and have gotten out well over 2,000 stones. Yes,

I am one of those people who puts the colander in and counts each one.

Again, thank you for your concern.

~Karma

http://loaves-n-fishes.com

> Hi Karma,

> Well, I would like to say first that I respect your decisions and what you

are doing but I am also wondering if you have done many fasts to work up to

this longer fasting you are undertaking. The reason I ask is that it can be

quite dangerous to fast if one hasn't built up over a period of years before

taking on a monumental fast such as the one you are describing and then to

be cleansing at the same time....this sounds a little dangerous to me? I

guess if you have conditioned your system to fast for long periods then that

is safe in itself for you as you have already done so but to cleanse during

it...hmmm.....that is pushing it because you will be giving up all your

lifeforce nutritients in those flushes. Just my speculative opinion.

> Peace

> Lu

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Karma Tucker

> Gallstonesgroups (DOT) Com

> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 12:59 PM

> Subject: fasting cleanse question

>

>

> Hi Everyone,

> I have a question that I would like some feedback for. I would like

feedback so I can decide what to do.

>

> I have been fasting. My first day of my fast was February 3rd. I started

on Apple Juice, but an currently on lemon water with some cayenne pepper

occasionally. Mostly just lemon water. I am wanting to do a Liver Flush

this weekend.

>

> Here is the question. Since I am not ready to break my fast yet. Don't

plan to break it until Easter, is it your opinion that a successful flush

can occur without eating? I usually fast a few days before the cleanse,

but then eat a potato the day of the cleanse to build up the bile. I

usually do Dr. 's Olive Oil/Grapefruit cleanse.

>

> I have been Zapping daily and doing a Sea-Salt Flush each morning. In the

evening I do a colonic treatment. I was gearing up to do Castor Oil

Fomentations as suggested in Dr. 's Mucusless Diet and Cleansing

Program. I haven't actually started that yet. Thought I would do that

after the Liver Flush, IF I even do the flush this weekend.

>

> Any thoughts? Please! :-)

> ~Karma

> http://loaves-n-fishes.com

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I'm a little curious...if you ladies are eating this healthy and all, you may

want to consider that the fasts are causing your gall bladder problems....it

doesn't seem to me that all this is doing much good if you are all experiencing

gall bladder problems.....

Peace

Lu

----- Original Message -----

From: Rachd1961@...

gallstones

Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 10:12 PM

Subject: Re: fasting cleanse question

In a message dated 3/7/02 2:06:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

tucker@... writes:

> Here is the question. Since I am not ready to break my fast yet. Don't

> plan to break it until Easter, is it your opinion that a successful flush

> can occur without eating?

Karma

The first time I ever did a liver cleanse was in the middle of an extended

juice fast. I had already been on the fast for at least 30 days when I did

the flush and it was incredibly successful. In fact, I've never had a

flush that was that amazingly successful. They've all been good, but

nothing like that first one.

I just thought I'd share my own experience with you in the hopes that it will

help.

in health,

rachel~

[Guest guest]

demi111@... writes:

> I'm a little curious...if you ladies are eating this healthy and all, you

> may want to consider that the fasts are causing your gall bladder

> problems....it doesn't seem to me that all this is doing much good if you

> are all experiencing gall bladder problems.....

>

Speaking only for myself, my gallbladder problems were caused by years of

very unhealthy eating. I was a true junk-food junkie. I would be mortified

to even write out here the dietary habits I used to have (even though I know

I wouldn't be alone in them!). Since making changes to those dietary

habits along with doing the flushes, I have virtually NO gallbladder

problems. I have had maybe one GB attack per month and that was in response

to unhealthy food choices. Even those have been minor in intensity and very

short in duration (20 minutes at the very most).

My dietary habits have a lot of room for improvement, I will admit that. I

hope you don't get the wrong impression just because I say that right now I'm

eating a lot of raw and have done juice fasting. My intake of junk food

has dramatically decreased, but I do still enjoy it from time to time. And

I'm still learning about what's good for me and what my body responds to - as

each body is different in some ways.

So anyway, for me its actually the opposite of what you're suggesting. It

isn't the healthy eating causing the problems, it's the healthy eating that

has solved them and so this is all doing a tremendous amount of good.

in health,

rachel~

[Guest guest]

Dear Karma,

From my experience, I would say a liver flush can be done after a 2-3 day fast

but not a longer fast.

Really, to get out the most stones, one should be eating to build up the bile,

which released more stones during the flush. Fasting should be done after the

stones are out.

Good Luck,

Karma Tucker <tucker@...> wrote: Hi Everyone,

I have a question that I would like some feedback for. I would like feedback so

I can decide what to do.

I have been fasting. My first day of my fast was February 3rd. I started on

Apple Juice, but an currently on lemon water with some cayenne pepper

occasionally. Mostly just lemon water. I am wanting to do a Liver Flush this

weekend.

Here is the question. Since I am not ready to break my fast yet. Don't plan to

break it until Easter, is it your opinion that a successful flush can occur

without eating? I usually fast a few days before the cleanse, but then eat a

potato the day of the cleanse to build up the bile. I usually do Dr. 's

Olive Oil/Grapefruit cleanse.

I have been Zapping daily and doing a Sea-Salt Flush each morning. In the

evening I do a colonic treatment. I was gearing up to do Castor Oil

Fomentations as suggested in Dr. 's Mucusless Diet and Cleansing

Program. I haven't actually started that yet. Thought I would do that after

the Liver Flush, IF I even do the flush this weekend.

Any thoughts? Please! :-)

~Karma

http://loaves-n-fishes.com

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Hi ,

Of course, I understand. ;-) We all can't just simply give up every enjoyable

food in life...why what fun is that...teeehehee....I know I have moments when I

just really need an almond croissant or I will absolutely lose it...lol.

Again, I ask your forgiveness for me behaving utterly like a mother and not

trusting you have good sense as I have seen on the forum.

Peace

Lu

----- Original Message -----

From: Rachd1961@...

gallstones

Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 5:48 AM

Subject: Re: fasting cleanse question

demi111@... writes:

> I'm a little curious...if you ladies are eating this healthy and all, you

> may want to consider that the fasts are causing your gall bladder

> problems....it doesn't seem to me that all this is doing much good if you

> are all experiencing gall bladder problems.....

>

Speaking only for myself, my gallbladder problems were caused by years of

very unhealthy eating. I was a true junk-food junkie. I would be mortified

to even write out here the dietary habits I used to have (even though I know

I wouldn't be alone in them!). Since making changes to those dietary

habits along with doing the flushes, I have virtually NO gallbladder

problems. I have had maybe one GB attack per month and that was in response

to unhealthy food choices. Even those have been minor in intensity and very

short in duration (20 minutes at the very most).

My dietary habits have a lot of room for improvement, I will admit that. I

hope you don't get the wrong impression just because I say that right now I'm

eating a lot of raw and have done juice fasting. My intake of junk food

has dramatically decreased, but I do still enjoy it from time to time. And

I'm still learning about what's good for me and what my body responds to - as

each body is different in some ways.

So anyway, for me its actually the opposite of what you're suggesting. It

isn't the healthy eating causing the problems, it's the healthy eating that

has solved them and so this is all doing a tremendous amount of good.

in health,

rachel~

[Guest guest]

Actually Lu, you are correct. Fasting, if not done correctly, can

actually cause more gb problems. Letting bile stagnate in the gb is

only asking for more problems. It's better to keep it flowing. I only

fast on the day of the cleanse and maybe somewhat on the day before.

People who are fasting a lot, and also have gb stones, should be told

that fasting is actually one of the causes of gb stones. As well as

over-eating, fast weight gain, fast weight loss, genetics, stress,

anger, and the list goes on.

Barry.

> I'm a little curious...if you ladies are eating this healthy and

all, you may want to consider that the fasts are causing your gall

bladder problems....it doesn't seem to me that all this is doing much

good if you are all experiencing gall bladder problems.....

> Peace

> Lu

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Rachd1961@a...

> gallstones@y...

> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 10:12 PM

> Subject: Re: fasting cleanse question

>

>

> In a message dated 3/7/02 2:06:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> tucker@m... writes:

>

>

> > Here is the question. Since I am not ready to break my fast

yet. Don't

> > plan to break it until Easter, is it your opinion that a

successful flush

> > can occur without eating?

>

> Karma

> The first time I ever did a liver cleanse was in the middle of an

extended

> juice fast. I had already been on the fast for at least 30 days

when I did

> the flush and it was incredibly successful. In fact, I've never

had a

> flush that was that amazingly successful. They've all been good,

but

> nothing like that first one.

>

> I just thought I'd share my own experience with you in the hopes

that it will

> help.

> in health,

> rachel~

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/8/02 1:54:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,

demi111@... writes:

> Again, I ask your forgiveness for me behaving utterly like a mother and not

> trusting you have good sense as I have seen on the forum.

>

Lu - no forgiveness needed. I honestly do appreciate the concern

behind the post and I would much rather have you speak up than assume that I

know something. that I might not know. (Did you follow that one? lol)

Also - you never know who else is reading the posts who are benefiting from

what you shared with me. Every post we write is a message to 800+ people,

so there's usually someone out there who can benefit from whatever we write.

in health,

rachel~

[Guest guest]

Lu, no it's not the fasts causing the problems, but they are flushing the

problems out of the body that are already there from bad eating habits or health

problems (drugs, etc) of the past. A fast or even a flush done properly (and I

personally don't do long fasts), should purge the poisons and they are no fun

when they come out. Makes you think twice about eating bad again or taking too

many drugs. of Dewberry Hill

I'm a little curious...if you ladies are eating this healthy and all, you may

want to consider that the fasts are causing your gall bladder problems....it

doesn't seem to me that all this is doing much good if you are all experiencing

gall bladder problems.....

Peace

Lu

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