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mariobrosss@... writes:

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> Is it possible to have gallstones even if they didn't see anything in the

> gallbladder ?

How did they look at the gallbladder? (X-ray? Ultrasound?). It's definitely

possible to have stones in the liver that could eventually move to the

gallbladder and also to have sludge/sand that could eventually turn into

gallstones. But how did they check you out?

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In a message dated 2/26/02 11:02:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,

mariobrosss@... writes:

> My question is: Is it possible to have stones in the gallbaldder or

> something wrong with the gallballder even if the doctors didn't see

> anything because my pain is like gallstones but the pain is with me 24

> hours a day.

>

I've never read of anyone having pain from gallstones 24 hours a day, but I

wouldn't rule it out as a possibility. And yes, I think it's possible for

there to be a stone that isn't picked up on ultrasound. For some it takes a

large stone to cause a problem, but for others it seems possible to have pain

from a small stone. Each body is different.

Have you tried the cleanse yet? (Forgive me if you did and already posted

about it.) Even if there isn't a stone and the cleanse clears out some

sludge/sand/chaff - this could possibly help alleviate your pain.

I'm not a medical professional, though, so take my thoughts for what they're

worth!

Please do keep us posted on how you're doing, though. I hope that you find a

solution for your pain quickly.

in health,

rachel~

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In a message dated 2/26/02 11:36:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,

mariobrosss@... writes:

> I have bought some natural product (Dr Schulze) to cleanse the liver/ kidney

> but it doesn't seem to help.

> The upper right side is very painfull and I,m worse than ever.

> I have tried the liver flush but I don't have any result until now. My

> pain is with me 24 hours a day.

>

Are your bowels working well? 2-3 bowel movements a day? If they aren't,

then when you try to cleanse the liver the body isn't able to eliminate

properly and this can cause problems. How long have you had the pain 24

hours a day? Have the doctors given you any suggestions as to what might be

causing the pain?

I'm not familiar with a nuclear test, but I hope that it gives the doctors

some insight for you.

in health,

rachel~

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In a message dated 2/26/02 12:31:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,

mariobrosss@... writes:

> This pain is unbelievable because it is with me 24 hours a day.

>

> My bowel are not good because I'm constipated. But since I take Dr Schulze,

> I am less constipated. I really don't know where come from this pain.

> Difficulty breathing, pain in the right side, in the chest too. Very

> similar to gallstones but always with me.

>

Since you are constipated, that's probably the most important place to start,

as far as cleansing goes. When the bowels are constipated, there's a

likelihood for toxins and whatnot to be reabsorbed into the system.

Which product of Dr. Schulze are you using? Is it the Intestinal Formula?

How are your dietary habits - can you describe a typical day of what you've

been eating?

What are the doctors suggesting? Have they given any ideas as to what might

be causing this pain? And how long have you been having it 24 hours a day?

This sounds serious to me and the doctors must have some ideas, don't they?

in health,

rachel~

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In a message dated 2/26/02 12:37:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,

demi111@... writes:

> Have they checked you for ulcer? This sounds like something my father use

> to have and he was diagnosed with an ulcer.....well years later they put

> him on an antibiotic and it went away so it was the kind caused from the

> parasite. Now if I were you I would definitely not use any tinctures until

> you are sure what you are dealing with....that could really be aggrivating

> the whole situation, especially if it is an ulcer.

>

Good thought, Lucinda. - is the pain constant, or does it increase

after eating?

in health,

rachel~

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I started taking the supplement Stone Free about 2 weeks ago

and it actually eleviates the pressure when I feel it coming on. Does

anyone else use this product?....- Pascucci

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Hi, ,

I've heard of *Stone Free.* Is that by Solaray? I haven't tried it, but I

was thinking of getting some. Does it seem to work well for you?

Thanks,

Susie

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A Hidoscan(nuclear test) will take a close look at the function of you're

gallbladder.

You need to know if the pains are coming frfrom the GB or is it intestinal.

For instance with me, my gallbladder checked out ok. but I have a duodenal ulcer

which is quite close to the gallbladder, and the pain symptoms are similar.

Good Luck,

Rachd1961@... wrote: In a message dated 2/26/02 11:36:38 AM Eastern

Standard Time,

mariobrosss@... writes:

> I have bought some natural product (Dr Schulze) to cleanse the liver/ kidney

> but it doesn't seem to help.

> The upper right side is very painfull and I,m worse than ever.

> I have tried the liver flush but I don't have any result until now. My

> pain is with me 24 hours a day.

>

Are your bowels working well? 2-3 bowel movements a day? If they aren't,

then when you try to cleanse the liver the body isn't able to eliminate

properly and this can cause problems. How long have you had the pain 24

hours a day? Have the doctors given you any suggestions as to what might be

causing the pain?

I'm not familiar with a nuclear test, but I hope that it gives the doctors

some insight for you.

in health,

rachel~

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It could be a duodenal ulcer, located adjacent to the gallbladder.

Rachd1961@... wrote: In a message dated 2/26/02 11:02:04 AM Eastern

Standard Time,

mariobrosss@... writes:

> My question is: Is it possible to have stones in the gallbaldder or

> something wrong with the gallballder even if the doctors didn't see

> anything because my pain is like gallstones but the pain is with me 24

> hours a day.

>

I've never read of anyone having pain from gallstones 24 hours a day, but I

wouldn't rule it out as a possibility. And yes, I think it's possible for

there to be a stone that isn't picked up on ultrasound. For some it takes a

large stone to cause a problem, but for others it seems possible to have pain

from a small stone. Each body is different.

Have you tried the cleanse yet? (Forgive me if you did and already posted

about it.) Even if there isn't a stone and the cleanse clears out some

sludge/sand/chaff - this could possibly help alleviate your pain.

I'm not a medical professional, though, so take my thoughts for what they're

worth!

Please do keep us posted on how you're doing, though. I hope that you find a

solution for your pain quickly.

in health,

rachel~

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I am going thru a similar situation.

Could you're pains be intestinal?

Villemure <mariobrosss@...> wrote: I have pass an ultrasound for

the gallbladder and there was nothing wrong so I've got a nuclear to see if the

gallbladder work properly and all is fine.

Nothing wrong in the gallbladder but I've got always pain in my upper right side

24 hours a day.

I don't know where come from this pain. My question is: Is it possible to have

stones in the gallbaldder or something wrong with the gallballder even if the

doctors didn't see anything because my pain is like gallstones but the pain is

with me 24 hours a day.

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Have they checked you for ulcer? This sounds like something my father use to

have and he was diagnosed with an ulcer.....well years later they put him on an

antibiotic and it went away so it was the kind caused from the parasite. Now if

I were you I would definitely not use any tinctures until you are sure what you

are dealing with....that could really be aggrivating the whole situation,

especially if it is an ulcer.

Just some things to think about.

Peace

Lucinda

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From: Villemure

gallstones

Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 10:34 AM

Subject: stones

I have bought some natural product (Dr Schulze) to cleanse the liver/ kidney but

it doesn't seem to help.

The upper right side is very painfull and I,m worse than ever.

I have tried the liver flush but I don't have any result until now. My pain is

with me 24 hours a day.

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Where you taking the product to cleanse the liver while having

the pain? It is not uncommon to experience discomfort in the area

you are trying to help when taking a supplement that focuses on

that area...if you are taking supplements to cleanse the liver,

it may be tender. Have you had blood work done? Does it

show liver enzymes elevated? (by the way, not necessarily a good

idea to have blood work while cleansing the liver, or any other

organ, as it may affect the results).

L. Meydrech

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

http://nutritionist.tripod.com

Schulze) to cleanse the liver/ kidney but it doesn't seem to help.

The upper right side is very painfull and I,m worse than ever.

I have tried the liver flush but I don't have any result until now. My pain is

with me 24 hours a day.

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Yes, it works well for me. It's from " Planetary Formulas " and I

got on the " http://www.kitchendoctor.com " site. I just know that it

seems to keep the pressure 'at bay'. It also showly breaks up the

stones over a 3 month period. I'll still be doing the liver flushes

every 2 weeks also. >>

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Dave, thanks so much. I've bookmarked it, and I may try it soon. If it's

helping you, then maybe it will help me.

Susie

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Well yes, if you have read Dr. Schulze's material then you are aware of the

potential for healing crisis going at your program hard and fast. This is a

heavy program to undertake so if you are having these symptoms since you started

this healing cleanse, then I would surmise to say that it is a healing crisis.

If it has been going on before you started the cleanse then maybe it's just

aggrivating the whole situation?

One thing to beware of is that when you take on something as monumental as Dr.

Schulze's protocol, you must be replacing some of your intestinal flora with

probiotics because the diet is not including it and the cleansing definitely

washes your intestinal bacteria out with all the other stuff. I did his healing

program, well not the whole thing because I was not dealing with major illness,

and I was fairly healthy going in, use to and familiar with cleansing

procedures, and well I got quit sick myself so I backed off and took it at the

pace my body allowed me and all was well.

So if you believe you have something you want to go at hard and fast then by all

means do but please be cautious and take a probiotic. ;-) Don't get too crazy

without supervision on his program by all means!!

Just some more thoughts

Peace

Lucinda

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From: Villemure

gallstones

Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:02 PM

Subject: stones

I'm taking the intestinal formula 1 (5 or 6 capsules daily) and 2 (one teaspoon

daily)

Also I'm drinking 6 cups of detoxification tea with 60 drops of tinctures for

every 2 cups of the infusion.

I'm taking echinacea and a cleansing tincture.

I'm drinking home made vegetable juice during the day.

My personal feeling (but I can be wrong) is the bowel or the intestine that

cause this horrible pain)

I am making up my mind concerning this detoxification program except the

intestinal formula 1 which help me for the bowel.

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Drinking lots of pure water, too, I hope. This will also help

move things along. Your doing a lot of cleansing things here,

would expect some discomfort, but be concerned if you are not

having 2 or 3 bowel movements a day. claudia

----- Original Message -----

From: Villemure

gallstones

Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:02 PM

Subject: stones

I'm taking the intestinal formula 1 (5 or 6 capsules daily) and 2 (one

teaspoon daily)

Also I'm drinking 6 cups of detoxification tea with 60 drops of tinctures for

every 2 cups of the infusion.

I'm taking echinacea and a cleansing tincture.

I'm drinking home made vegetable juice during the day.

My personal feeling (but I can be wrong) is the bowel or the intestine that

cause this horrible pain)

I am making up my mind concerning this detoxification program except the

intestinal formula 1 which help me for the bowel.

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MARIO

How long have you been in pain 24 hours a day? Is this a recent development

or has it been ongoing for a while?

And what are the doctors suggesting it might be? What are they recommending

as a course of action?

in health,

rachel~

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Hi, When you say " liver enzymes elevated " , do you mean bilirubin count.

The only blood work that did show something elevated was my bilirubin

count. Everything else was normal, or " unremarkable " as they like to

say now. I started taking the supplement Stone Free about 2 weeks ago

and it actually eleviates the pressure when I feel it coming on. Does

anyone else use this product?....- Pascucci

" L. Meydrech " wrote:

> Where you taking the product to cleanse the liver while having

> the pain? It is not uncommon to experience discomfort in the area

> you are trying to help when taking a supplement that focuses on

> that area...if you are taking supplements to cleanse the liver,

> it may be tender. Have you had blood work done? Does it

> show liver enzymes elevated?

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Susie, Yes, it works well for me. It's from " Planetary Formulas " and I

got on the " http://www.kitchendoctor.com " site. I just know that it

seems to keep the pressure 'at bay'. It also showly breaks up the

stones over a 3 month period. I'll still be doing the liver flushes

every 2 weeks also. ...-Dave

Tishri7@... wrote:

> Hi, ,

> I've heard of *Stone Free.* Is that by Solaray? I haven't tried it,

> but I

> was thinking of getting some. Does it seem to work well for you?

> Thanks,

> Susie

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Again, Is it possible to have stones even if they didn't see anything with the

ultrasound ?

My pain is located on the upper right side. It seems that it is the liver

without to be sure.

How don't know if it can be the intestine or other organ because my pain is 24

hours with me.

Is it possible that the gallbladder is inflamed and this is the reason why I'm

constantly in pain ?

It is like my digestion is completly stop.

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, have they looked at your lungs? What all have your doctors looked at?

laura

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From: " Villemure " <mariobrosss@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 1:41 PM

Subject: stones

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,

I have a similar problem as you, although they found ulcers in my stomach and

possible duodenum. They did two ultrasounds and one hidoscan on my gallbladder

and found that my gb was completly normal-no inflamation. I do hope you find the

cause of you're pain so you don't " wrongfully " think it's the gallbladder like I

did for months.

Good luck!

Villemure <mariobrosss@...> wrote: Again, Is it possible to have

stones even if they didn't see anything with the ultrasound ?

My pain is located on the upper right side. It seems that it is the liver

without to be sure.

How don't know if it can be the intestine or other organ because my pain is 24

hours with me.

Is it possible that the gallbladder is inflamed and this is the reason why I'm

constantly in pain ?

It is like my digestion is completly stop.

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mariobrosss@... writes:

> Again, Is it possible to have stones even if they didn't see anything with

> the ultrasound ?

Yes, it's possible, depending on the technician doing the ultrasound and the

position of the gallbladder and other things. I think it's unusual, though,

and that the stones do usually show up.

How long have you had this pain that is with you 24 hours a day? And what

did the doctor's suggest? What have you tried so far to try to get your

bowels moving?

in health,

rachel~

> My pain is located on the upper right side. It seems that it is the liver

> without to be sure.

>

> How don't know if it can be the intestine or other organ because my pain is

> 24 hours with me.

>

> Is it possible that the gallbladder is inflamed and this is the reason why

> I'm constantly in pain ?

>

> It is like my digestion is completly stop.

>

>

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