Guest guest Posted March 14, 2002 Report Share Posted March 14, 2002 I found an bottle of artichoke extract that I'd had for a while and couldn't remember why I had it in the first place. I read the back and here's what it says: Artichoke has been used medicinally since the beginning of the 20th century to improve digestion. Research has focused on the constituent, caffeoylquinic acid and its ability to increase bile production in the liver. An increase in bile production assists the body in blood fat metabolism. Then there's a caution: Persons with known obstruction of bile ducts and gallstone should consult a health care professional........ My question is this: Is this a good product to take if one is comtemplating a gall bladder flush? I have read here that it is good to produce more bile pressure before the flush, but do you want more bile also? I can't figure out if this would help or hinder a flush. Also, if one was NOT doing a flush, is this a good product to help the gall bladder in general? There's nothing special about this product. It's made by Nature's Way and also has some milk thistle in it. Thank you for your help because I've never done a gall bladder flush nor do I have pain, but I am tossing around the idea of doing one just to get stuff out. Tina in Idaho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2002 Report Share Posted March 15, 2002 Hi Tina I think that can be a very confusing thing about those types of products. When I was first diagnosed with gallstones I started taking a Fennel Wild Yam Root tincture. The description is similar to what you've written about the artichoke extract. It also had that same caution, though, and that left me wondering if it was a good thing to be taking. I concluded, though, that the warning is most likely a legal thing on their end. Sort of a disclaimer. In other words, we want to increase the bile production and bile flow, but if a person has gallstones and one gets stuck, then they might go back and sue the company (you know how sue-happy this world is!) for recommending the product when it ended up causing a symptom. But in our case, where we are doing these flushes intentionally to get those stones out, it would seem that this is a good thing.... It's sort of like going in circles - or a Catch-22 type thing. You want the bile to flow and especially when you're doing a GB flush, but is it possible for too much bile to flow??? So basically what I'm saying is that I don't have an answer for you either! I can tell you that for me, personally, I just go with my gut instinct on what I feel is right for me. for example, adding the radishes to the apple juice - that would stimulate bile flow and I felt that it was right for me. There are also cautions out there about how people with gallstones shouldn't eat radishes and then there are places where it's recommended. Same thing with turmeric, which I've started adding to my food. There's disclaimers out there saying that people with symptomatic gallstones shouldn't use it and other sites recommending it. Sometimes it just comes back down to listening to that inner voice...if we can hear it! Let us know what you decided to do with that, okay? in health, rachel~ clrk@... writes: > Then there's a caution: > Persons with known obstruction of bile ducts and gallstone should consult > a > health care professional........ > My question is this: Is this a good product to take if one is comtemplating > a gall bladder flush? I have read here that it is good to produce more > bile > pressure before the flush, but do you want more bile also? I can't figure > out if this would help or hinder a flush. Also, if one was NOT doing a > flush, is this a good product to help the gall bladder in general? There's > nothing special about this product. It's made by Nature's Way and also has > some milk thistle in it. > The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it and ignorance may deride it, but in the end there it is. " Winston Churchill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2002 Report Share Posted March 15, 2002 Tina, I didn't know if I had any stones, but my Mother's GB removal scared me into doing flushes. WOW! Yep! I've already gotten tons of stones and sluge out. Go for it! And that artichoke prep sounds great. of Dewberry Hill Thank you for your help because I've never done a gall bladder flush nor do I have pain, but I am tossing around the idea of doing one just to get stuff out. Tina in Idaho " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2002 Report Share Posted March 15, 2002 I think where it gets confusing is when the herbal companies put those cautions on the very things that are good for what we're trying to accomplish. Oh - don't get me wrong, I understand that they have to do this for legal purposes, but it can muddy the waters a bit when a person is trying to decide what to do. By the way, I'm planting several different kinds of radishes in my garden this year. Two interesting ones are Black Radishes (which are allegedly more potent than regular for bile flow purposes) and also Rat Tail Radishes, which actually grow above ground, rather than being the root that is eaten. Looking forward to including mullein in my herb section next year! I'll come down there and do the harvesting myself! in health, rachel~ cozad76078@... writes: > I tend to agree with you, . I feel good about radishes (which I've > never enjoyed the taste of but now aquiring), and tumeric (I'm taking Black > Seed...which I think is the same). The foods I don't think are good are > like coffee, over use of pepper, chocolate, dairy, sugar. See, these are > all processed. of DH The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it and ignorance may deride it, but in the end there it is. " Winston Churchill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2002 Report Share Posted March 15, 2002 I tend to agree with you, . I feel good about radishes (which I've never enjoyed the taste of but now aquiring), and tumeric (I'm taking Black Seed...which I think is the same). The foods I don't think are good are like coffee, over use of pepper, chocolate, dairy, sugar. See, these are all processed. of DH So basically what I'm saying is that I don't have an answer for you either! I can tell you that for me, personally, I just go with my gut instinct on what I feel is right for me. for example, adding the radishes to the apple juice - that would stimulate bile flow and I felt that it was right for me. There are also cautions out there about how people with gallstones shouldn't eat radishes and then there are places where it's recommended. Same thing with turmeric, which I've started adding to my food. There's disclaimers out there saying that people with symptomatic gallstones shouldn't use it and other sites recommending it. Sometimes it just comes back down to listening to that inner voice...if we can hear it! Let us know what you decided to do with that, okay? in health, rachel~ " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2002 Report Share Posted March 15, 2002 In a message dated 3/15/02 8:40:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, demi111@... writes: > Also remember that most herbs that are medicinal are to be used as > such.....it's like any kind of medicine and should not be over used or it > can make a person sick or be ineffective if it really is needed by the body > for illness. > Good point, Lu. Some things, like echinacea for example, lose their effectiveness after 10 days (or is it 2 weeks?). So that is one that isn't intended for longterm use and, as you said, would then be ineffective if a body really needed it. good old moderation comes into the picture again! rachel~ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it and ignorance may deride it, but in the end there it is. " Winston Churchill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2002 Report Share Posted March 16, 2002 Also remember that most herbs that are medicinal are to be used as such.....it's like any kind of medicine and should not be over used or it can make a person sick or be ineffective if it really is needed by the body for illness. Peace Lu ----- Original Message ----- From: Rachd1961@... gallstones Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 11:36 PM Subject: Re: artichoke extract Hi Tina I think that can be a very confusing thing about those types of products. When I was first diagnosed with gallstones I started taking a Fennel Wild Yam Root tincture. The description is similar to what you've written about the artichoke extract. It also had that same caution, though, and that left me wondering if it was a good thing to be taking. I concluded, though, that the warning is most likely a legal thing on their end. Sort of a disclaimer. In other words, we want to increase the bile production and bile flow, but if a person has gallstones and one gets stuck, then they might go back and sue the company (you know how sue-happy this world is!) for recommending the product when it ended up causing a symptom. But in our case, where we are doing these flushes intentionally to get those stones out, it would seem that this is a good thing.... It's sort of like going in circles - or a Catch-22 type thing. You want the bile to flow and especially when you're doing a GB flush, but is it possible for too much bile to flow??? So basically what I'm saying is that I don't have an answer for you either! I can tell you that for me, personally, I just go with my gut instinct on what I feel is right for me. for example, adding the radishes to the apple juice - that would stimulate bile flow and I felt that it was right for me. There are also cautions out there about how people with gallstones shouldn't eat radishes and then there are places where it's recommended. Same thing with turmeric, which I've started adding to my food. There's disclaimers out there saying that people with symptomatic gallstones shouldn't use it and other sites recommending it. Sometimes it just comes back down to listening to that inner voice...if we can hear it! Let us know what you decided to do with that, okay? in health, rachel~ clrk@... writes: > Then there's a caution: > Persons with known obstruction of bile ducts and gallstone should consult > a > health care professional........ > My question is this: Is this a good product to take if one is comtemplating > a gall bladder flush? I have read here that it is good to produce more > bile > pressure before the flush, but do you want more bile also? I can't figure > out if this would help or hinder a flush. Also, if one was NOT doing a > flush, is this a good product to help the gall bladder in general? There's > nothing special about this product. It's made by Nature's Way and also has > some milk thistle in it. > The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it and ignorance may deride it, but in the end there it is. " Winston Churchill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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