Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 Imagine someone with gallstones in hospital, lying there, cut open about to have their gall bladder removed. Instead of removing it, why can't the surgeon make a 1cm or so incision into the gall bladder and empty it of gallstones then sew it back up again ? >> ________________ , I've thought of this also. I know that this sounds silly, but it's too bad that they don't have a suction thing to suck the stones out somehow. I guess their reasoning might be that the stones will just come back again on the person. Take care, Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 That is the EXACT question that I asked my mother the other day. She simply said " because it's 'deseased' " , but doesn't 'deseased' simply mean that it's full of stone and sludge? I'd really be interested in hearing other people's response to this. GREAT QUESTION!!... >> _________________________ Hi, , Well, when I had my severe GB attack in Dec. 2000, I went to the ER. The ER doctor tried to talk me into surgery because my GB was enlarged and he said the word " diseased. " However, I also talked to the surgeon, who was a lot kinder. He understood that I wanted to wait and try my diet again. Of course, I never told neither one of them that I was going to cleanse. But the surgeon told me that there is a drug that they use to break up stones; however, it is very hard on the liver, and he said when they are broken up, the stones always come back. In Dr. Cabot's book entitled " The Healthy Liver & Bowel Book, " she says that it can take 6 months to 2 years to break up those stones, if you can, with this drug. And then they don't dissolve calcified stones. About diseased, I don't know. In my opinion, since I've got gallbladder disease, then I'll always be doing this because i'll be prone to making gallstones; that is, if I can keep my GB, which I'd love to do. Also, diet plays a huge role, so changing the diet is beneficial for anyone and making your diet " liver friendly, " is the key. I personally do not feel that we have to go to extremes in our diet. That's why I consider Dr. Cabot's diet so much. It's healthy for anyone. So, , I guess if you've got GB disease, then you still have it. However, as with anything in our bodies, you can sometimes turn things around. And if everyone started doing cleanses, gallbladder or no gallbladder, think how much better off they'd be. Especially getting all that junk out of you from a lifetime of eating junk. I don't know if I've even answered your question. I know, though, that I still have a diseased GB, but it's better, I do believe. Take care, Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 << My daughter brought this back to US to me from Australia. I know it can be found in the states here too though. >> __________ Hi, Lucinda, Yes, her books are good, at least the two that I have. And even if a person just stayed on her basic liver-cleansing diet, they could be a lot healthier. You can also buy her books in the US. She has a good website at: www.liverdoctor.com I've bought products from a place in Arizona that sells them and her books. Plus, I've heard you can buy them at Amazon.com. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 , I have wondered the same as you......I think they figure you will just keep getting them so an end to a problem in their minds/training anyhow. They have done the same with many women who have cystic ovaries.......rather than draining the ovarian cyst they take the whole tootin' thing, why???? Because they have been trained to do so.... Think if you had a cyst on your neck, would they remove your neck to clear up the cyst problem? We need better medical care system for sure. *sigh* Peace Lucinda ----- Original Message ----- From: Shelby gallstones Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:36 PM Subject: Daft Question I'm sure there is an obvious answer to this .. Imagine someone with gallstones in hospital, lying there, cut open about to have their gall bladder removed. Instead of removing it, why can't the surgeon make a 1cm or so incision into the gall bladder and empty it of gallstones then sew it back up again ? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 In a message dated 2/26/02 3:53:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, scottherm@... writes: > Or... > Why can't they break up the stones with sound waves! > > I was told that they can't do gallstones like they do kidneystones because of the consistency. Kidneystones are harder (at least this is what I was told) and so the softer gallstones just absorb the waves and it doesn't impact them like the kidneystones. Of course this doesn't explain why they don't use them on calcified stones...... in health, rachel~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 james_shelby@... writes: > Instead of removing it, why can't the > surgeon make a 1cm or so incision into the gall bladder and empty it of > gallstones then sew it back up again ? > I think there's several answers to that question, . For one thing, removing the gallbladder is quicker and easier and since the medical profession sees the gallbladder as expendable it's more efficient to just take it out. Then there's also the idea that if you have stones you will be prone to continue producing stones and they figure you would just end up with the same problem down the road and need surgery again. From what I've read/heard, that's why they don't go in and try to remove the stones themselves. in health, rachel~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 Or... Why can't they break up the stones with sound waves! Lulu <demi111@...> wrote: , I have wondered the same as you......I think they figure you will just keep getting them so an end to a problem in their minds/training anyhow. They have done the same with many women who have cystic ovaries.......rather than draining the ovarian cyst they take the whole tootin' thing, why???? Because they have been trained to do so.... Think if you had a cyst on your neck, would they remove your neck to clear up the cyst problem? We need better medical care system for sure. *sigh* Peace Lucinda ----- Original Message ----- From: Shelby gallstones Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:36 PM Subject: Daft Question I'm sure there is an obvious answer to this .. Imagine someone with gallstones in hospital, lying there, cut open about to have their gall bladder removed. Instead of removing it, why can't the surgeon make a 1cm or so incision into the gall bladder and empty it of gallstones then sew it back up again ? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 That is the EXACT question that I asked my mother the other day. She simply said " because it's 'deseased' " , but doesn't 'deseased' simply mean that it's full of stone and sludge? I'd really be interested in hearing other people's response to this. GREAT QUESTION!!...- Pascucci Shelby wrote: > I'm sure there is an obvious answer to this .. > > Imagine someone with gallstones in hospital, lying there, cut open > about to > have their gall bladder removed. Instead of removing it, why can't the > > surgeon make a 1cm or so incision into the gall bladder and empty it > of > gallstones then sew it back up again ? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 , Yes it is dis-eased in the sense that it is not in it's normal state of ease so does dis-eased mean it should be removed.........I believe that is what this support group is about and we are all here answering that question with our cleanse/flush & dedication to lifestyle changes showing that we believe we can heal our organs/bodies without going under the knife but through more natural ways of healing/easing our body.........*lol* Dis-eased with sludge and stone, yes! *teehehehehehe* Peace Lucinda ----- Original Message ----- From: M. Pascucci gallstones Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 3:29 PM Subject: Re: Daft Question That is the EXACT question that I asked my mother the other day. She simply said " because it's 'deseased' " , but doesn't 'deseased' simply mean that it's full of stone and sludge? I'd really be interested in hearing other people's response to this. GREAT QUESTION!!...- Pascucci Shelby wrote: > I'm sure there is an obvious answer to this .. > > Imagine someone with gallstones in hospital, lying there, cut open > about to > have their gall bladder removed. Instead of removing it, why can't the > > surgeon make a 1cm or so incision into the gall bladder and empty it > of > gallstones then sew it back up again ? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 Susie, I ditto your recommendations on Dr. Cabot's book tis absolutely excellent! My daughter brought this back to US to me from Australia. I know it can be found in the states here too though. Peace Lucinda ----- Original Message ----- From: Tishri7@... gallstones Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 5:01 PM Subject: Re: Daft Question That is the EXACT question that I asked my mother the other day. She simply said " because it's 'deseased' " , but doesn't 'deseased' simply mean that it's full of stone and sludge? I'd really be interested in hearing other people's response to this. GREAT QUESTION!!... >> _________________________ Hi, , Well, when I had my severe GB attack in Dec. 2000, I went to the ER. The ER doctor tried to talk me into surgery because my GB was enlarged and he said the word " diseased. " However, I also talked to the surgeon, who was a lot kinder. He understood that I wanted to wait and try my diet again. Of course, I never told neither one of them that I was going to cleanse. But the surgeon told me that there is a drug that they use to break up stones; however, it is very hard on the liver, and he said when they are broken up, the stones always come back. In Dr. Cabot's book entitled " The Healthy Liver & Bowel Book, " she says that it can take 6 months to 2 years to break up those stones, if you can, with this drug. And then they don't dissolve calcified stones. About diseased, I don't know. In my opinion, since I've got gallbladder disease, then I'll always be doing this because i'll be prone to making gallstones; that is, if I can keep my GB, which I'd love to do. Also, diet plays a huge role, so changing the diet is beneficial for anyone and making your diet " liver friendly, " is the key. I personally do not feel that we have to go to extremes in our diet. That's why I consider Dr. Cabot's diet so much. It's healthy for anyone. So, , I guess if you've got GB disease, then you still have it. However, as with anything in our bodies, you can sometimes turn things around. And if everyone started doing cleanses, gallbladder or no gallbladder, think how much better off they'd be. Especially getting all that junk out of you from a lifetime of eating junk. I don't know if I've even answered your question. I know, though, that I still have a diseased GB, but it's better, I do believe. Take care, Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2002 Report Share Posted February 27, 2002 >>Why can't they break up the stones with sound waves!<<M They do, in a few places in this country, more in others. (I think it's sound waves.) They do it in combination with Actigall. I know they do it in Boston. Debra _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2002 Report Share Posted February 27, 2002 >>but doesn't 'deseased' simply mean that it's full of stone and sludge? << I believe it also refers to the condition of the wall, and how well the gallbladder is actually still functioning. Debra _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2002 Report Share Posted February 27, 2002 , If you can, buy a juicer and start drinking carot/celery/beet juice. I hope you can turn this around! Tishri7@... wrote: That is the EXACT question that I asked my mother the other day. She simply said " because it's 'deseased' " , but doesn't 'deseased' simply mean that it's full of stone and sludge? I'd really be interested in hearing other people's response to this. GREAT QUESTION!!... >> _________________________ Hi, , Well, when I had my severe GB attack in Dec. 2000, I went to the ER. The ER doctor tried to talk me into surgery because my GB was enlarged and he said the word " diseased. " However, I also talked to the surgeon, who was a lot kinder. He understood that I wanted to wait and try my diet again. Of course, I never told neither one of them that I was going to cleanse. But the surgeon told me that there is a drug that they use to break up stones; however, it is very hard on the liver, and he said when they are broken up, the stones always come back. In Dr. Cabot's book entitled " The Healthy Liver & Bowel Book, " she says that it can take 6 months to 2 years to break up those stones, if you can, with this drug. And then they don't dissolve calcified stones. About diseased, I don't know. In my opinion, since I've got gallbladder disease, then I'll always be doing this because i'll be prone to making gallstones; that is, if I can keep my GB, which I'd love to do. Also, diet plays a huge role, so changing the diet is beneficial for anyone and making your diet " liver friendly, " is the key. I personally do not feel that we have to go to extremes in our diet. That's why I consider Dr. Cabot's diet so much. It's healthy for anyone. So, , I guess if you've got GB disease, then you still have it. However, as with anything in our bodies, you can sometimes turn things around. And if everyone started doing cleanses, gallbladder or no gallbladder, think how much better off they'd be. Especially getting all that junk out of you from a lifetime of eating junk. I don't know if I've even answered your question. I know, though, that I still have a diseased GB, but it's better, I do believe. Take care, Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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