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Imagine someone with gallstones in hospital, lying there, cut open about to

have their gall bladder removed. Instead of removing it, why can't the

surgeon make a 1cm or so incision into the gall bladder and empty it of

gallstones then sew it back up again ? >>

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, I've thought of this also. I know that this sounds silly, but it's

too bad that they don't have a suction thing to suck the stones out somehow.

I guess their reasoning might be that the stones will just come back again on

the person.

Take care,

Susie

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That is the EXACT question that I asked my mother the other day. She

simply said " because it's 'deseased' " , but doesn't 'deseased' simply

mean that it's full of stone and sludge? I'd really be interested in

hearing other people's response to this. GREAT QUESTION!!... >>

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Hi, ,

Well, when I had my severe GB attack in Dec. 2000, I went to the ER. The ER

doctor tried to talk me into surgery because my GB was enlarged and he said

the word " diseased. "

However, I also talked to the surgeon, who was a lot kinder. He understood

that I wanted to wait and try my diet again. Of course, I never told neither

one of them that I was going to cleanse. But the surgeon told me that there

is a drug that they use to break up stones; however, it is very hard on the

liver, and he said when they are broken up, the stones always come back. In

Dr. Cabot's book entitled " The Healthy Liver & Bowel Book, " she says

that it can take 6 months to 2 years to break up those stones, if you can,

with this drug. And then they don't dissolve calcified stones.

About diseased, I don't know. In my opinion, since I've got gallbladder

disease, then I'll always be doing this because i'll be prone to making

gallstones; that is, if I can keep my GB, which I'd love to do. Also, diet

plays a huge role, so changing the diet is beneficial for anyone and making

your diet " liver friendly, " is the key. I personally do not feel that we

have to go to extremes in our diet. That's why I consider Dr. Cabot's diet

so much. It's healthy for anyone.

So, , I guess if you've got GB disease, then you still have it.

However, as with anything in our bodies, you can sometimes turn things

around. And if everyone started doing cleanses, gallbladder or no

gallbladder, think how much better off they'd be. Especially getting all

that junk out of you from a lifetime of eating junk.

I don't know if I've even answered your question. I know, though, that I

still have a diseased GB, but it's better, I do believe.

Take care,

Susie

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<< My daughter brought this back to US to me from Australia. I know it can

be found in the states here too though. >>

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Hi, Lucinda,

Yes, her books are good, at least the two that I have. And even if a person

just stayed on her basic liver-cleansing diet, they could be a lot healthier.

You can also buy her books in the US. She has a good website at:

www.liverdoctor.com

I've bought products from a place in Arizona that sells them and her books.

Plus, I've heard you can buy them at Amazon.com.

Susie

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I have wondered the same as you......I think they figure you will just keep

getting them so an end to a problem in their minds/training anyhow. They have

done the same with many women who have cystic ovaries.......rather than draining

the ovarian cyst they take the whole tootin' thing, why???? Because they have

been trained to do so....

Think if you had a cyst on your neck, would they remove your neck to clear up

the cyst problem? We need better medical care system for sure.

*sigh*

Peace

Lucinda

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From: Shelby

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Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:36 PM

Subject: Daft Question

I'm sure there is an obvious answer to this ..

Imagine someone with gallstones in hospital, lying there, cut open about to

have their gall bladder removed. Instead of removing it, why can't the

surgeon make a 1cm or so incision into the gall bladder and empty it of

gallstones then sew it back up again ?

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In a message dated 2/26/02 3:53:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,

scottherm@... writes:

> Or...

> Why can't they break up the stones with sound waves!

>

>

I was told that they can't do gallstones like they do kidneystones because of

the consistency. Kidneystones are harder (at least this is what I was told)

and so the softer gallstones just absorb the waves and it doesn't impact them

like the kidneystones. Of course this doesn't explain why they don't use

them on calcified stones......

in health,

rachel~

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james_shelby@... writes:

> Instead of removing it, why can't the

> surgeon make a 1cm or so incision into the gall bladder and empty it of

> gallstones then sew it back up again ?

>

I think there's several answers to that question, . For one thing,

removing the gallbladder is quicker and easier and since the medical

profession sees the gallbladder as expendable it's more efficient to just

take it out. Then there's also the idea that if you have stones you will be

prone to continue producing stones and they figure you would just end up with

the same problem down the road and need surgery again.

From what I've read/heard, that's why they don't go in and try to remove the

stones themselves.

in health,

rachel~

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Or...

Why can't they break up the stones with sound waves!

Lulu <demi111@...> wrote: ,

I have wondered the same as you......I think they figure you will just keep

getting them so an end to a problem in their minds/training anyhow. They have

done the same with many women who have cystic ovaries.......rather than draining

the ovarian cyst they take the whole tootin' thing, why???? Because they have

been trained to do so....

Think if you had a cyst on your neck, would they remove your neck to clear up

the cyst problem? We need better medical care system for sure.

*sigh*

Peace

Lucinda

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From: Shelby

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Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:36 PM

Subject: Daft Question

I'm sure there is an obvious answer to this ..

Imagine someone with gallstones in hospital, lying there, cut open about to

have their gall bladder removed. Instead of removing it, why can't the

surgeon make a 1cm or so incision into the gall bladder and empty it of

gallstones then sew it back up again ?

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That is the EXACT question that I asked my mother the other day. She

simply said " because it's 'deseased' " , but doesn't 'deseased' simply

mean that it's full of stone and sludge? I'd really be interested in

hearing other people's response to this. GREAT QUESTION!!...-

Pascucci

Shelby wrote:

> I'm sure there is an obvious answer to this ..

>

> Imagine someone with gallstones in hospital, lying there, cut open

> about to

> have their gall bladder removed. Instead of removing it, why can't the

>

> surgeon make a 1cm or so incision into the gall bladder and empty it

> of

> gallstones then sew it back up again ?

>

>

>

>

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Yes it is dis-eased in the sense that it is not in it's normal state of ease so

does dis-eased mean it should be removed.........I believe that is what this

support group is about and we are all here answering that question with our

cleanse/flush & dedication to lifestyle changes showing that we believe we can

heal our organs/bodies without going under the knife but through more natural

ways of healing/easing our body.........*lol* Dis-eased with sludge and stone,

yes! *teehehehehehe*

Peace

Lucinda

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From: M. Pascucci

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Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 3:29 PM

Subject: Re: Daft Question

That is the EXACT question that I asked my mother the other day. She

simply said " because it's 'deseased' " , but doesn't 'deseased' simply

mean that it's full of stone and sludge? I'd really be interested in

hearing other people's response to this. GREAT QUESTION!!...-

Pascucci

Shelby wrote:

> I'm sure there is an obvious answer to this ..

>

> Imagine someone with gallstones in hospital, lying there, cut open

> about to

> have their gall bladder removed. Instead of removing it, why can't the

>

> surgeon make a 1cm or so incision into the gall bladder and empty it

> of

> gallstones then sew it back up again ?

>

>

>

>

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Susie,

I ditto your recommendations on Dr. Cabot's book tis absolutely excellent! My

daughter brought this back to US to me from Australia. I know it can be found

in the states here too though.

Peace

Lucinda

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From: Tishri7@...

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Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 5:01 PM

Subject: Re: Daft Question

That is the EXACT question that I asked my mother the other day. She

simply said " because it's 'deseased' " , but doesn't 'deseased' simply

mean that it's full of stone and sludge? I'd really be interested in

hearing other people's response to this. GREAT QUESTION!!... >>

_________________________

Hi, ,

Well, when I had my severe GB attack in Dec. 2000, I went to the ER. The ER

doctor tried to talk me into surgery because my GB was enlarged and he said

the word " diseased. "

However, I also talked to the surgeon, who was a lot kinder. He understood

that I wanted to wait and try my diet again. Of course, I never told neither

one of them that I was going to cleanse. But the surgeon told me that there

is a drug that they use to break up stones; however, it is very hard on the

liver, and he said when they are broken up, the stones always come back. In

Dr. Cabot's book entitled " The Healthy Liver & Bowel Book, " she says

that it can take 6 months to 2 years to break up those stones, if you can,

with this drug. And then they don't dissolve calcified stones.

About diseased, I don't know. In my opinion, since I've got gallbladder

disease, then I'll always be doing this because i'll be prone to making

gallstones; that is, if I can keep my GB, which I'd love to do. Also, diet

plays a huge role, so changing the diet is beneficial for anyone and making

your diet " liver friendly, " is the key. I personally do not feel that we

have to go to extremes in our diet. That's why I consider Dr. Cabot's diet

so much. It's healthy for anyone.

So, , I guess if you've got GB disease, then you still have it.

However, as with anything in our bodies, you can sometimes turn things

around. And if everyone started doing cleanses, gallbladder or no

gallbladder, think how much better off they'd be. Especially getting all

that junk out of you from a lifetime of eating junk.

I don't know if I've even answered your question. I know, though, that I

still have a diseased GB, but it's better, I do believe.

Take care,

Susie

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>>Why can't they break up the stones with sound waves!<<M

They do, in a few places in this country, more in others. (I think it's

sound waves.) They do it in combination with Actigall. I know they do it

in Boston.

Debra

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>>but doesn't 'deseased' simply

mean that it's full of stone and sludge? <<

I believe it also refers to the condition of the wall, and how well the

gallbladder is actually still functioning.

Debra

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If you can, buy a juicer and start drinking carot/celery/beet juice.

I hope you can turn this around!

Tishri7@... wrote: That is the EXACT question that I asked my mother the

other day. She

simply said " because it's 'deseased' " , but doesn't 'deseased' simply

mean that it's full of stone and sludge? I'd really be interested in

hearing other people's response to this. GREAT QUESTION!!... >>

_________________________

Hi, ,

Well, when I had my severe GB attack in Dec. 2000, I went to the ER. The ER

doctor tried to talk me into surgery because my GB was enlarged and he said

the word " diseased. "

However, I also talked to the surgeon, who was a lot kinder. He understood

that I wanted to wait and try my diet again. Of course, I never told neither

one of them that I was going to cleanse. But the surgeon told me that there

is a drug that they use to break up stones; however, it is very hard on the

liver, and he said when they are broken up, the stones always come back. In

Dr. Cabot's book entitled " The Healthy Liver & Bowel Book, " she says

that it can take 6 months to 2 years to break up those stones, if you can,

with this drug. And then they don't dissolve calcified stones.

About diseased, I don't know. In my opinion, since I've got gallbladder

disease, then I'll always be doing this because i'll be prone to making

gallstones; that is, if I can keep my GB, which I'd love to do. Also, diet

plays a huge role, so changing the diet is beneficial for anyone and making

your diet " liver friendly, " is the key. I personally do not feel that we

have to go to extremes in our diet. That's why I consider Dr. Cabot's diet

so much. It's healthy for anyone.

So, , I guess if you've got GB disease, then you still have it.

However, as with anything in our bodies, you can sometimes turn things

around. And if everyone started doing cleanses, gallbladder or no

gallbladder, think how much better off they'd be. Especially getting all

that junk out of you from a lifetime of eating junk.

I don't know if I've even answered your question. I know, though, that I

still have a diseased GB, but it's better, I do believe.

Take care,

Susie

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