Re: Newbie - is this GB pain??

March 19, 2002

Hello,

If it's in the centre, it's not likely to come from the gallbladder

(stones or infection), as the pain then would be below the lower

right rib, as far as I know. Maybe your symptoms could be in the bile

ducts, though. Infection in the bile ducts will give you sudden high

fever, shiverings and a kind of " soft " (as opposed to sharp) pain,

closer to the centre than when the gallbladder itself is affected.

This is according to a conventional medicine book I have.

Conventional treatment is said to be with antibiotics.

It could be something else, of course... :-(

Good luck!

-- Helge

P.S.

Listmembers may be interested in knowing that there's an inexpensive

book out there by Isidore Rosenfeld listing symptoms and explaining

what could cause them:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0553568132/qid=1016571811/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8\

_1_3/104-4470425-3639945

I don't have it myself. Does anyone here?

>The pain is located above my stomach, in the center, just below my

>sternum. It feels like pressure, cramping, and is constant. It's so

>hard to describe pain when you are not feeling it at the time of

>description! Sometimes leaning forward helps, but not always. I

>have the need to pace when this flares up and cannot carry on a

>conversation. The pain can last 2-3 hours and sometimes causes me to

>vomit yellow acid like (bile?) stuff. Afterwards I have diarrhea

>(the next day too).

March 20, 2002

This sounds like it could be ulcer related and/or gallbladder related

as well. If you already have ultrasound showing stones, then those

are causing you the nightly pain already. The nightly pain (3-4 hours

after eating, while sleeping into the night) is exactly what I have.

I also have an ultrasound scan showing a 1cm stone floating around in

my gallbladder. A flush would do you good. I don't see how it could

make you feel any worse than you already feel. If anything, you will

notice a great improvement to your health. The liver cleanse is

painless. The Epsom Salt and Olive oil makes it painless and easy.

You don't have to worry about that. The pain of a colic attack is

enough to convince me to cleanse with oil to try and relieve that

pain. I have done 7 cleanses using Dr. Hulga Liver/GB Cleanse

on www. curezone.com and have not had pain at all. Only once did I

have an uncomfortable feeling, slight pain, for a few minutes as

stones were passing out. You will love the results of cleaning out

years of gunk, stones, toxins from your body. And your overall

feeling of well-being and good health will improve. I've even lost 10

lbs over the last two months of doing this cleanse. Just another

added benefit because I am now at my desired perfect weight of

160lbs. So, give it a try. What have you got to loose? You can only

gain from the attempt. And once again, in 99% of the cases, it is

totally painless. Good luck.

Barry.

> I've been reading this list for about a month now, and am

considering

> the flush, but I'm not so sure I am having gallbladder pain, or

> something else... what do you think?

>

> The pain is located above my stomach, in the center, just below my

> sternum. It feels like pressure, cramping, and is constant. It's

so

> hard to describe pain when you are not feeling it at the time of

> description! Sometimes leaning forward helps, but not always. I

> have the need to pace when this flares up and cannot carry on a

> conversation. The pain can last 2-3 hours and sometimes causes me

to

> vomit yellow acid like (bile?) stuff. Afterwards I have diarrhea

> (the next day too). I take a prescription for Ranitidine now, and

> that will alleviate the pain in about 45 min when I take it during

an

> attack. I've had pain like this since my 20's, but very rarely

> then. Since last year when I turned 40, I have been having this

pain

> about 1x/mth. Sometimes more frequently. I've had all the tests

and

> it's confirmed I have gallstones (I was diagnosed with them 10+ yrs

> ago as well as recently). But I am not convinced it's gallbladder

> pain. These are the things that set it off for me: raw onions,

> garlic, fried or fatty (i.e. eggplant parm), sorbitol, spicy (not

> necessarily hot, but with alot of spice), sugar (?), coffee (?),

> aspartame (?). If I eat late (< 3 hrs before bedtime), the morning

> after a fatty meal, if I lay on my stomach, and interestingly

enough

> it's more likely to give me problems just before I get my period.

>

> I am going to see a gastroenterologist next month and will be

> scheduling an endoscopy. I'm extremely fearful of medical

> procedures so this is a huge step for me. I've put off gallbladder

> surgery for 15 years due to fear. That's why I joined your

group...

> to see if there's an alternative for me. Actually, I'm afraid to

do

> the flush too!! What I really need to know is if my pain is

> gallbladder related. I'm traveling with my husband to China next

> year to adopt our second baby, and don't want to go through this

pain

> while I'm there, so I am determined to get to the bottom of it now.

>

> Thanks,

>

March 20, 2002

criden@... writes:

> The pain is located above my stomach, in the center, just below my

> sternum. It feels like pressure, cramping, and is constant. It's so

> hard to describe pain when you are not feeling it at the time of

> description! Sometimes leaning forward helps, but not always. I

> have the need to pace when this flares up and cannot carry on a

> conversation.

This sounds exactly like what I experience. Mine are shorter in duration, but

I think I'm in the minority with that out here! With the last one I was

actually 'talking' with my sister on the computer and couldn't even sit and

type a conversation! Leaning forward or backwards seems to help and I think

that might be that the repositioning dislodges the stone that's causing the

problem. Just a hunch there.

Evidently it isn't just fatty foods that bring on these attacks, but it can

possibly be just anything that your body has difficulty digesting. So

perhaps some of those things that you listed are just a challenge for your

body.

It seems to me that doing a flush would be worthwhile, even if it possibly

turns out that the problem wasn't gallstones. The flush will help

de-congest your liver, which helps in SO many aspects of health.

Anyway...good luck and please do keep us posted!

in health,

rachel~

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it and ignorance may deride

it, but in the end there it is. " Winston Churchill

March 20, 2002

In a message dated 3/19/02 3:37:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

criden@... writes:

> , and interestingly enough

> it's more likely to give me problems just before I get my period.

>

I just noticed this part and wanted to mention that the GB attacks in the

past few months (about one a month) have each been shortly before my period

as well. Interesting....... I have no idea what the significance is of

that, but I wonder how many other women out here have noticed the same thing.

Anyone??

in health,

rachel~

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it and ignorance may deride

it, but in the end there it is. " Winston Churchill

March 21, 2002

criden@... writes:

> The pain is located above my stomach, in the center, just below my

> sternum. It feels like pressure, cramping, and is constant. It's so

> hard to describe pain when you are not feeling it at the time of

> description! Sometimes leaning forward helps, but not always. I

> have the need to pace when this flares up and cannot carry on a

> conversation.

This sounds exactly like what I experience.

********

Me too! claudia :-)

March 21, 2002

Hi guys,

Whilst we're discussing this in relation to periods (too embarrassed to

report earlier) but the liver flush I did a month back actually induced my

period to being 2 weeks early! Has anyone (or rather any other women!!!) had

the same experience?

Regards,

Michele