Guest guest Posted October 15, 2001 Report Share Posted October 15, 2001 Hi, Has anyone done enough hair and urine and stool testing to get an idea of where and when the mercury comes out as a function of DMSA use, ALA use, or amount (duration) of chelation? I'm wondering when and where the mercury comes out, as I was told it wouldn't show up until perhaps 10 rounds of chelation were done, and I've heard of kids who don't show improvements until several rounds of chelation are done. I'm wondering if this just pertains to seeing the mercury in the urine. Just curious, K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2001 Report Share Posted October 15, 2001 Hi The first time we did a urine test with DMSA on my 3 year old son, he only showed 4.5 mercury, but by the 5th cycle DMSA only we tested urine again and it was 11. My Doctor does not want to start ALA until he has cleaned the mercury from the other organs. My sons progress: normal eye contact, over 100 words clear and 20 spontaneous he is able to copy any word you ask him to repeat and after 7th round he now is almost normal receptively. Socialization is still weak but even that has improved. Before starting chelation he was nonverbal and stemy had no interest in the rest of the world. Hope this helps you. All the best Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2001 Report Share Posted October 15, 2001 My son had mercury come out with the first several > tests (though low levels) then tons come out mid-way, a few spikes, then > nothing for a year and the most recent test showed just slightly elevated. Have you been doing DMSA alone during all this time, or have you added ALA? If you're in phase 2 now, how did you make the decision to add the ALA? J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2001 Report Share Posted October 15, 2001 <<<My sons progress: normal eye contact, over 100 words clear and 20 spontaneous he is able to copy any word you ask him to repeat and after 7th round he now is almost normal receptively. Socialization is still weak but even that has improved. Before starting chelation he was nonverbal and stemy had no interest in the rest of the world.>>> Lee, This is Wonderful! Great news! What a thrill for you. I know how good it feels to have Jon look at me and say " Mommy " . Thank you so much for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2001 Report Share Posted October 15, 2001 In a message dated 10/15/01 10:26:24 AM Central Daylight Time, jw4994@... writes: > Have you been doing DMSA alone during all this time, or have you added > ALA? If you're in phase 2 now, how did you make the decision to add > the ALA? > He did about six rounds of DMSA then switched to DMPS for 9 rounds, then back to DMSA with a few DMPS rounds thrown in. ALA was a disaster for him so we didn't go that route. Right now, we're doing sauna and DMSA every two months or so to pull out the last stuff or to keep him clear of metals, I haven't figured out which is the case now. I'm thinking most likely keeping him clear since he's been at it for over three years. Gaylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2001 Report Share Posted October 15, 2001 In a message dated 10/15/01 12:38:29 PM Central Daylight Time, leedsh@... writes: > My Doctor does not want to start ALA until he has cleaned the > mercury from the other organs. > How does your doctor recommend determining whether mercury has cleared from the other organs? I know there are some theories on how to do this but I'm not so sure this is possible. Just curious if I'm missing something. Gaylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2001 Report Share Posted October 15, 2001 Hi My Doctor say that when the amount of mercury in the urine coming out in the urine is within normal ranges..hope this makes sense. Regards, Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2001 Report Share Posted October 16, 2001 See the figure in page 52 of my book. Mercury goes up and down just like subjective feeling of wellness does. It only takes 10 rounds to notice things if you use an inappropriate and ineffective chelation protocol. If you do it properly most people notice positive change after the first or second round. Andy > Hi, > > Has anyone done enough hair and urine and stool testing to get an idea of where > and when the mercury comes out as a function of DMSA use, ALA use, or amount > (duration) of chelation? I'm wondering when and where the mercury comes out, as > I was told it wouldn't show up until perhaps 10 rounds of chelation were done, > and I've heard of kids who don't show improvements until several rounds of > chelation are done. I'm wondering if this just pertains to seeing the mercury > in the urine. > > Just curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2001 Report Share Posted October 16, 2001 Gaylen, Thanks for your notes. Were these all urine tests? Did you see improvements vary, as Andy suggests? Did these improvements correlate with the mercury showing up on the tests? I heard of one woman whose son showed no improvements for 11 rounds, but from that point on she noticed improvements every day. I don't know what protocol she was on. This experience could be seen to to agree with the 'tightly bound' or 'no improvements till the mercury comes out' concept. - And regarding this thread... " My Doctor does not want to start ALA until he has cleaned the mercury from the other organs. " " How does your doctor recommend determining whether mercury has cleared from the other organs? I know there are some theories on how to do this but I'm not so sure this is possible. Just curious if I'm missing something. " " My Doctor say that when the amount of mercury in the urine coming out in the urine is within normal ranges..hope this makes sense. " This is what I was told too, to get the free mercury out via DMSA, then when the urine shows no mercury add in the ALA. That's why I'm curious about anyone's test results using stool and hair as well as urine. What's really going on? What I was actually told to do for my daughter was start right away with ALA, since she'd had DMPS injections, but I did Round 1 with DMSA only, saw mercury come out, then added in ALA with Round 2 and have seen no mercury since (and little if any improvements). I have an 11 year old, and she's getting the drugs on the 3/4 hour protocol, and just finished Round 5. She's starting her rounds with DMSA only and ending with DMSA only and I can't see any side effects. It's all going quite well from that standpoint. In any case, I'm always glad to see ANY toxic metal come out! If for some reason other metals have to come out first, so be it. They don't belong there either. Lead, for heavens sake, is coming out of my kid, along with about 15 other metals. K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2001 Report Share Posted October 16, 2001 It is said that ALA will cause mercury to be mainly in stool rather than urine. Which doesn't prove anything one way or another about your case. But all those other toxic metals coming out has to be good! At 10:11 AM 10/16/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Gaylen, > >Thanks for your notes. Were these all urine tests? Did you see improvements >vary, as Andy suggests? Did these improvements correlate with the mercury >showing up on the tests? > >I heard of one woman whose son showed no improvements for 11 rounds, but from >that point on she noticed improvements every day. I don't know what protocol >she was on. This experience could be seen to to agree with the 'tightly bound' >or 'no improvements till the mercury comes out' concept. > >- And regarding this thread... > > " My Doctor does not want to start ALA until he has cleaned the mercury from the >other organs. " > " How does your doctor recommend determining whether mercury has cleared from the >other organs? I know there are some theories on how to do this but I'm not so >sure this is possible. Just curious if I'm missing something. " > " My Doctor say that when the amount of mercury in the urine coming out in the >urine is within normal ranges..hope this makes sense. " > >This is what I was told too, to get the free mercury out via DMSA, then when the >urine shows no mercury add in the ALA. That's why I'm curious about anyone's >test results using stool and hair as well as urine. What's really going on? > >What I was actually told to do for my daughter was start right away with ALA, >since she'd had DMPS injections, but I did Round 1 with DMSA only, saw mercury >come out, then added in ALA with Round 2 and have seen no mercury since (and >little if any improvements). I have an 11 year old, and she's getting the drugs >on the 3/4 hour protocol, and just finished Round 5. She's starting her rounds >with DMSA only and ending with DMSA only and I can't see any side effects. It's >all going quite well from that standpoint. > >In any case, I'm always glad to see ANY toxic metal come out! If for some >reason other metals have to come out first, so be it. They don't belong there >either. Lead, for heavens sake, is coming out of my kid, along with about 15 >other metals. > > K. > > > >======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 In a message dated 10/16/01 3:25:02 PM Central Daylight Time, nmkramer@... writes: > Gaylen, > > Thanks for your notes. Were these all urine tests? We did only urine tests for the first two years because the stool test wasn't available (or at least well known yet) then. We added stool tests last year. In hindsight, it is possible that if we had done stool tests with urine tests during the first few rounds, we may have seen more metals coming out since we did see huge improvements in overall progress. We'll never know for sure. >>> vary, as Andy suggests? Did these improvements > correlate with the mercury showing up on the tests? > > Yes, improvements have varied along with a huge variation on symptoms/challenges when dumping metals. I haven't specifically seen a direct correlation in amount of progress with amount of metals but have noticed a correlation with time needed to rebalance afterwards with huge metals dumps. >I heard of one woman whose son showed no improvements for 11 rounds, but from > that point on she noticed improvements every day. I don't know what protocol > she was on. This experience could be seen to to agree with the 'tightly > bound' > or 'no improvements till the mercury comes out' concept. I think sometimes people don't notice subtle improvements because they aren't in the specific area they're hoping for but later will notice as things begin to come together to build more progress. Since we've been dealing with a variety of metals, I have seen improvements no matter which metal is being dumped. > > " My Doctor does not want to start ALA until he has cleaned the mercury from > the > other organs. " > " How does your doctor recommend determining whether mercury has cleared > from the other organs? I know there are some theories on how to do this > but I'm not so > sure this is possible. Just curious if I'm missing something. " > " My Doctor say that when the amount of mercury in the urine coming out in > the > urine is within normal ranges..hope this makes sense. " > I don't think this is necessarily true since many people have seen spikes in various metals after showing nothing or in reference range for several rounds after initial spikes. Also, it can show really high in stool and not in urine and vice versa. > That's why I'm curious about anyone's test results using stool and hair as > well as urine. What's really going on? > I don't think anybody really knows for sure what is going on, but many try to guess. I think it really depends on each person's unique body chemistry. Even though some say that metals will not be released from the brain without specific substances, we've seen metals dumps with NAET and TBM treatments for brain metals, in treating viruses and with no other obvious intervention besides DMPS or DMSA. This is after years of chelation and strict control to avoid potential exposures. So the metal has to come from somewhere. It can't still be what's free floating in the blood stream for three years. I think there is so much to our bodies we don't understand. The body is made to strive for health and balance and I think will do so with the proper support. Gaylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 Gaylen wrote: > I haven't specifically seen a >direct correlation in amount of progress with amount of metals but have >noticed a correlation with time needed to rebalance afterwards with huge >metals dumps. Gaylen, what do you mean by rebalance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2001 Report Share Posted October 18, 2001 <<Gaylen said, in part: >> >I think sometimes people don't notice subtle improvements because they aren't >in the specific area they're hoping for but later will notice as things begin >to come together to build more progress. Since we've been dealing with a >variety of metals, I have seen improvements no matter which metal is being >dumped. Thanks for this Gaylen--- great description --- yes-- I think we all have areas where we are LOOKING for changes and other areas where we are not looking. And it is hard to say when something started to change vs. when one noticed it! Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2001 Report Share Posted October 21, 2001 By rebalance, I mean taking time off chelation and doing some things to boost the system before proceeding. Typically, he's a bit less focused, sometimes more stuck on asking too many questions, not as clear thinking -- usually subtle stuff now but still off-kilter enough to need some rest. The homeopathic drainers I've posted about are good for this, plus we use some TBM methods, accupressure, these b-b bandaid things our doc gave us that stimulate various merridians and also remineralize. There is a tendancy to want everything cured at once, all toxins out, etc. that sometimes you can do too much and the body needs a breather. If you keep detoxing at those moments, it's less effective and much harder on the body. Gaylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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