Re: Ambotrose and Tomatoes ()

[Guest guest]

I too have seen many improvements to my health since Ambrotose days but, who

knows, it could have been that that gave me a kick-start.

Ambrotose (AO) did have tomato when I was taking it. I'm referring to their

AO product, not their powder or their Plus, neither of which does. It's in

Latin - lycopersicon esculentum fruit. There's also kale (brassica oleracea

acephala), cabbage (b.o. capitata), cauliflower (b.o. botrytis), Brussels

sprout (b.o. gummifera), broccoli (b.o. italica), mustard (brassica rapa

root), papaya (carica papya), Vitamin E (d-alpha tocopherol), quercetin (a

flavanoid found in apples, onions and black tea), onion (allium cepa),

garlic (allium sativum), aloe vera (aloe barbadensis), pineapple (ananas

sativus), ghatti gum (Anogeissus latifolia), caffeine, tea (camellia

sinensis), carrot (daucus carota), glucose, grape seed extract (vitis

vinefera), yam (xanthomona campestris), almond (terminalia ferdinandiana),

ghatti gum, silicon dioxide, and maltodextrin.

I was found to be allergic to tomato skin many years ago. I too miss them

loads more than dairy.

The BBD have said to avoid tomatoes as they contain lectins. I've extracted

some of the recent debate. Hope this clarifies matters.

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Regarding tomatoes and the nightshades. Cordain was asked that exact

question after the talk. As a scientist all he could reply is that there are

no data yet indicating that lectins from other nightshade plants have an

adverse effect on the immune system. Of course future research may reveal

they do. The nightshades may be a bit of a gamble.

Prior to the Cordain lecture the leaky gut and molecular mimicry models were

the mechanisms by which it was assumed undigested food proteins from gluten,

dairy and legumes, found their way into the bloodstream to provoke the

immune system to create myelins sensitive T cells, that might eventually

cross the BBB to attack the myelin in the CNS. These three food groups were,

in these particular circumstances, considered public enemy number 1 and

no-one whose diet still included any of them could consider themselves on

the Best Bet Diet.

Now, the leaky gut, whilst considered the open door to the immune system was

always treated as a secondary risk factor. Efforts were made to heal it but

it was generally assumed that this could never really be guaranteed, despite

ELISA avoids and gut-healing supplements, but as long as the diet was

completely devoid of gluten, dairy and legumes, there was little or no risk

of myelin-sensitive T cells being created.

The lectins contained in tomatoes have now entered the debate but their risk

factor is a little unclear. I assume they do not contain the molecular

pattern that the immune system can mistake for myelin or they would have

been highlighted earlier As such, they cannot provoke the immune system into

the creation of myelin-sensitive T cells on their own. Their ability to act

as a trojan horse and transport antigens across the gut wall is disturbing

but seems, at first glance anyway, equivalent to the risk associated with a

leaky gut that we have already assumed we can never be totally assured has

been mended. Indeed, it raises a number of interesting questions.

1.. If the diet is devoid of all gluten, dairy and legumes, in other words

all the potential auto-immune activators, does it matter that much that

tomato lectins can transport undigested food proteins across the gut wall?

The ones that can cause damage to the myelin will not be there anyway. Or

are we talking about allergenic reactions here? I understand that the blood

brain barrier can be breached easier if tomato lectins are present but,

again, if the T cells are not being produced, there will be nothing to

breach the barrier.....etc

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Janet

----- Original Message -----

> Ambrotose doesn't include tomatoes in the list of ingredients. It just

> cost more than the benefits that I received. I was really sick when I

> first took it. I could have improved as my diet did, so I can't really

> give Ambrotose all the credit for the improvements that I HAVE had. We've

> been off of it for about the same amount of time. I have seen many good

> changes in my health since then.

> What is it with tomatoes!? I was found to be sensitive to them in an

> allergy test long ago. I thought that was unique to me, but many people

> have the same issues. They have so many attributes and I miss them more

> than dairy! I never have liked pizza or spaghetti, but tomato sandwiches

> were great. I didn't realize that they were disallows on the BBD.

>

[Guest guest]

Wow. Learn something new every day. I took AO for a short while, but it didn't

seem like it was a flagship product for my needs. I stopped so that I could

afford other types of supplements. I figured that there were other ways to get

anti-oxidants. I'm glad that I didn't continue now that this information has

come to light. Lectins are in many foods and grains and beans are the most

toxic sources. I didn't realize that tomatoes were a close contender. I read

that the lectins in grains and beans attach to red blood cells and kill them.

They also bind with carbohydrates, causing the nutrients to not be bioavailable.

I guess that takes care of my love for fresh tomatoes! When did I become unable

to flush this @#$! out of my system and why?

I'm doing a Matrix Transformation assessment with Dr. DiCenso that

might answer those and other questions. I love his caveat that if all you have

is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. If you only see a neurologist,

everything is related to the brain, If you only see a chiropractor, everything

is related to the vertabrae. A podiatrist sees all causes of disease in the

feet. This doctor does an assessment and looks at all possibilities, even

mental, emotional and habitual. I got the assessment profile and fluid

collection bottles and I'm about to send it back for an evaluation. The

assessment is a long list of questions and the fluids tested are saliva and

urine.

Thanks,

Janet Orchard wrote:

I too have seen many improvements to my health since Ambrotose days but, who

knows, it could have been that that gave me a kick-start.

Ambrotose (AO) did have tomato when I was taking it. I'm referring to their

AO product, not their powder or their Plus, neither of which does.

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[Guest guest]

While Ambrotose does list those veges, its only as one component of the

supplement and I suscept there isn't much tomato.

But if one is allergic to tomato, it might be good to get tested against the AO,

which might not be a problem.   A SCIO or EDS tester or applied kineseology

test might be useful in that regard.  Ambrotose regular doesn't have tomatos.

Bernie