Re: Gallstones related to Celiac disease

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Which is causing which?

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From: " suzanne_on_ca " <suzanne_on_ca@...>

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Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 1:13 PM

Subject: Gallstones related to Celiac disease

> " If you've got celiac disease, you have gall bladder malfunction, of

> the sort that may well develop into atresia and gallstones.

>

> Upon receiving a diagnosis of gall bladder disease, whether gall

> stones or atresia, one might be wise to request a blood test for

> celiac disease. The anti-endomysial antibody test is currently the

> most reliable and available test. "

> This is quoted from an article written by Hoggan

>

> http://www.gluten-free.org/hoggan/gall.txt

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Dear ,

It seems as though the article is meaning to say that gallstones

result from the side effects of Celiac disease.

Another quote from the article below may explain it better.

" CCK (cholecystokinin) is the hormone responsible for gall bladder

contraction. The bulk of this hormone is produced in the duodenum.

Active celiac disease would be likely, then, to cause a reduction or a

cessation of duodenal production of CCK. "

http://www.gluten-free.org/hoggan/gall.txt the complete article

Suzanne

" " <sbulmer@s...> wrote:

> Which is causing which?

>

Gallstones related to Celiac disease

>

>

> > " If you've got celiac disease, you have gall bladder malfunction,

of

> > the sort that may well develop into atresia and gallstones.

[Guest guest]

" " <sbulmer@s...> wrote:

> Which is causing which?

" Celiac disease (also called coeliac, nontropical sprue, celiac sprue, gluten

intolerant enteropathy, or gluten sensitive enteropathy) is a condition in

which there is a chronic reaction to certain protein chains, commonly referred

to as glutens, found in some cereal grains (wheat, spelt, rai,...). This

reaction causes destruction of the villi in the small intestine, with resulting

malabsorption of nutrients. Individuals range from having no symptoms

(asymptomatic or " latent " forms of the disease) to extreme cases where patients

present to their physicians with gas, bloating, diarrhea, and weight loss due

to malabsorption. "

" Dermatitis herpetiformis (DH) is a severely itchy skin condition that often

starts abruptly, affecting the elbows, knees, buttocks, scalp, and back. It

usually starts as little bumps that can become tiny blisters and then are

usually scratched off. DH can occur in only one spot, but more often appears in

several areas.

The condition is related to IgA deposits under the skin. These occur as a

result of ingesting gluten. These deposits take a long time to clear up, even

when the patient is on a gluten-free diet. "

I have read of people who cured Celiac disease by liver cleansing. That is

understandable, when we know that the liver gets " first pickings " of everything

absorbed in the small intestine, which is where virtually all nutrients are

absorbed, including glutens.

Conclusion: Celiac disease is caused by liver stones (intrahepatic stones).

I believe that in most people with gallstones problem, intrahepatic stones were

first.

If you have gallstones, you have liver stones. Always. Proved by cleansing.

I have never heard of a person who only have gallstones, and no liver stones.

Every single person who did liver cleanse (after gallbladder removal) have got

liver stones out (after liver was decongested).

Usually thousands of stones.

So, there is direct link between intrahepatic stones, celiac disease and

gallstones, not necessarily casual link.

Intrahepatic stones are usually the first to start forming, or in the same time

as gallstones are forming.

Intrahepatic stones block liver function and intestinal function.

Intrahepatic stones cause allergies and celiac disease.

Intrahepatic stones may be sucked into gallbladder, while naturally passing by,

through main bile duct (after a fatty meal), and may be joining stones that are

already there - genuine gallstones, or may be the first stones to be inside

gallbladder.

As most scientist are not aware of how common are liver stones, but they are

aware of the statistical link between incidence of gallstones and incidence

celiac disease, they may be attempting to make an explanation of a casual

relationship between those two diseases, while missing a very important part of

a whole equation. Almost 50% of a whole equation is missing! Poor science!

Anatomy:

==========================

The Hepatic Vascular System

The circulatory system of the liver is unlike that seen in any other organ. Of

great importance is the fact that a majority of the liver's blood supply is

venous blood! The pattern of blood flow in the liver can be summarized as

follows:

Roughly 75% of the blood entering the liver is venous blood from the portal

vein.

Importantly, all of the venous blood returning from the small intestine,

stomach, pancreas and spleen converges into the portal vein.

One consequence of this is that the liver gets " first pickings " of everything

absorbed in the small intestine, which, as we will see, is where virtually all

nutrients are absorbed.

The remaining 25% of the blood supply to the liver is arterial blood from the

hepatic artery.

http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/liver/anatomy.html

[Guest guest]

What do you mean by " liver gets first pickings " ?

Also, how do you decongest the liver? Is this so stones will coem out

easier?

Thanks,

----- Original Message -----

From: " Agnes " <agnes@...>

<gallstones >; <allergies >

Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 5:01 AM

Subject: Re: Gallstones related to Celiac disease

> " " <sbulmer@s...> wrote:

> > Which is causing which?

>

> " Celiac disease (also called coeliac, nontropical sprue, celiac sprue,

gluten

> intolerant enteropathy, or gluten sensitive enteropathy) is a condition in

> which there is a chronic reaction to certain protein chains, commonly

referred

> to as glutens, found in some cereal grains (wheat, spelt, rai,...). This

> reaction causes destruction of the villi in the small intestine, with

resulting

> malabsorption of nutrients. Individuals range from having no symptoms

> (asymptomatic or " latent " forms of the disease) to extreme cases where

patients

> present to their physicians with gas, bloating, diarrhea, and weight loss

due

> to malabsorption. "

>

> " Dermatitis herpetiformis (DH) is a severely itchy skin condition that

often

> starts abruptly, affecting the elbows, knees, buttocks, scalp, and back.

It

> usually starts as little bumps that can become tiny blisters and then are

> usually scratched off. DH can occur in only one spot, but more often

appears in

> several areas.

> The condition is related to IgA deposits under the skin. These occur as a

> result of ingesting gluten. These deposits take a long time to clear up,

even

> when the patient is on a gluten-free diet. "

>

>

> I have read of people who cured Celiac disease by liver cleansing. That is

> understandable, when we know that the liver gets " first pickings " of

everything

> absorbed in the small intestine, which is where virtually all nutrients

are

> absorbed, including glutens.

>

>

> Conclusion: Celiac disease is caused by liver stones (intrahepatic

stones).

>

> I believe that in most people with gallstones problem, intrahepatic stones

were

> first.

>

> If you have gallstones, you have liver stones. Always. Proved by

cleansing.

> I have never heard of a person who only have gallstones, and no liver

stones.

> Every single person who did liver cleanse (after gallbladder removal) have

got

> liver stones out (after liver was decongested).

> Usually thousands of stones.

>

>

> So, there is direct link between intrahepatic stones, celiac disease and

> gallstones, not necessarily casual link.

>

>

> Intrahepatic stones are usually the first to start forming, or in the same

time

> as gallstones are forming.

>

> Intrahepatic stones block liver function and intestinal function.

> Intrahepatic stones cause allergies and celiac disease.

>

> Intrahepatic stones may be sucked into gallbladder, while naturally

passing by,

> through main bile duct (after a fatty meal), and may be joining stones

that are

> already there - genuine gallstones, or may be the first stones to be

inside

> gallbladder.

>

> As most scientist are not aware of how common are liver stones, but they

are

> aware of the statistical link between incidence of gallstones and

incidence

> celiac disease, they may be attempting to make an explanation of a casual

> relationship between those two diseases, while missing a very important

part of

> a whole equation. Almost 50% of a whole equation is missing! Poor science!

>

> Anatomy:

> ==========================

> The Hepatic Vascular System

>

> The circulatory system of the liver is unlike that seen in any other

organ. Of

> great importance is the fact that a majority of the liver's blood supply

is

> venous blood! The pattern of blood flow in the liver can be summarized as

> follows:

>

> Roughly 75% of the blood entering the liver is venous blood from the

portal

> vein.

>

> Importantly, all of the venous blood returning from the small intestine,

> stomach, pancreas and spleen converges into the portal vein.

>

> One consequence of this is that the liver gets " first pickings " of

everything

> absorbed in the small intestine, which, as we will see, is where virtually

all

> nutrients are absorbed.

>

> The remaining 25% of the blood supply to the liver is arterial blood from

the

> hepatic artery.

>

>

http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/liver/anatomy.html

>

>

>

>

> Learn more from our experience, more then 200 liver

> flush stories: http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials

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Hello ,

> What do you mean by " liver gets first pickings " ?

, please go to the site mentioned in Agnes' letter.

Here is a small quote which may help.

" Roughly 75% of the blood entering the liver is venous blood from the

portal vein. Importantly, all of the venous blood returning from the

small intestine, stomach, pancreas and spleen converges into the

portal vein. One consequence of this is that the liver gets " first

pickings " of everything absorbed in the small intestine, which, as we

will see, is where virtually all nutrients are absorbed "

> Also, how do you decongest the liver? Is this so stones will coem

out

> easier?

The liver gets congested with intrahepatic stones. IMO - The cleanse

will help to flush the stones from the liver. Any one else ideas?

Suzanne

[Guest guest]

Hi Suzanne,

I actually did read the article. I still don't know what they mean by " the

liver gets first pickings " . I wish they would say what they actually mean.

Regarding the decongestion, I was wondering if Agnes meant people got stones

out after first decongesting the liver (with herbs?) and subsequently doing

the flush.

" Every single person who did liver cleanse (after gallbladder removal) have

got

liver stones out (after liver was decongested).

Usually thousands of stones. "

Does on_ca mean you are from Ontario? If so, me too. Which part?

----- Original Message -----

From: " suzanne_on_ca " <suzanne_on_ca@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 11:27 AM

Subject: Re: Gallstones related to Celiac disease

> Hello ,

>

> > What do you mean by " liver gets first pickings " ?

>

> , please go to the site mentioned in Agnes' letter.

>

> Here is a small quote which may help.

>

> " Roughly 75% of the blood entering the liver is venous blood from the

> portal vein. Importantly, all of the venous blood returning from the

> small intestine, stomach, pancreas and spleen converges into the

> portal vein. One consequence of this is that the liver gets " first

> pickings " of everything absorbed in the small intestine, which, as we

> will see, is where virtually all nutrients are absorbed "

>

> > Also, how do you decongest the liver? Is this so stones will coem

> out

> > easier?

>

> The liver gets congested with intrahepatic stones. IMO - The cleanse

> will help to flush the stones from the liver. Any one else ideas?

>

>

> Suzanne

>

>

>

>

> Learn more from our experience, more then 200 liver

> flush stories: http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials

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[Guest guest]

I'm responding before reading future emailings, so please forgive if

this is a repeat...think this is just a simple way of stating the fact

that the liver is the first organ of blood detofication...it filters

impurities out of the blood, and does a LOT of other good things

for us as well. The liver deserves a lot better care and attention

than most give it. Whenever you put anything in our

mouth, foods with their additives, food colorings, chemicals,

etc., medications, even things we put on our skin, these toxins

get into the blood and must be filtered out. The blood goes through

the liver for that purpose before it works it's way through the rest

of the circulatory system (arteries, veins, etc.)

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

----- Original Message -----

From:

gallstones

Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 11:35 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Gallstones related to Celiac disease

Hi Suzanne,

I actually did read the article. I still don't know what they mean by " the

liver gets first pickings " . I wish they would say what they actually mean.

Regarding the decongestion, I was wondering if Agnes meant people got stones

out after first decongesting the liver (with herbs?) and subsequently doing

the flush.

" Every single person who did liver cleanse (after gallbladder removal) have

got

liver stones out (after liver was decongested).

Usually thousands of stones. "

Does on_ca mean you are from Ontario? If so, me too. Which part?

----- Original Message -----

From: " suzanne_on_ca " <suzanne_on_ca@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 11:27 AM

Subject: Re: Gallstones related to Celiac disease

> Hello ,

>

> > What do you mean by " liver gets first pickings " ?

>

> , please go to the site mentioned in Agnes' letter.

>

> Here is a small quote which may help.

>

> " Roughly 75% of the blood entering the liver is venous blood from the

> portal vein. Importantly, all of the venous blood returning from the

> small intestine, stomach, pancreas and spleen converges into the

> portal vein. One consequence of this is that the liver gets " first

> pickings " of everything absorbed in the small intestine, which, as we

> will see, is where virtually all nutrients are absorbed "

>

> > Also, how do you decongest the liver? Is this so stones will coem

> out

> > easier?

>

> The liver gets congested with intrahepatic stones. IMO - The cleanse

> will help to flush the stones from the liver. Any one else ideas?

>

>

> Suzanne

>

>

>

>

> Learn more from our experience, more then 200 liver

> flush stories: http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials

>

> Liver Cleanse Recipe: http://www.CureZone.com/cleanse/liver/

> Liver Flush FAQ: http://curezone.com/forums/forum.asp?ForumID=73

>

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