Re: Newbie again

March 21, 2002

Hi

Wishing for ulcers instead of gallstones, eh? Good luck when you talk

to the doctor about the flush. Are you going to try it before you go so that

you can tell him your personal experience? I didn't say anything to the

doctor or the surgeon about doing the flush and neither of them have followed

up with me about the surgery that they both thought was SO important back in

October! Most doctors, by the way, are not familiar with the flush

because it isn't exactly something that is taught in medical school

(unfortunately). I hope that your doctor has an open mind about these

things.

As for adverse effects from the flush, I can say that I've done a number of

them so far and have not had any adverse effects. There are a couple of

people in the group who have and I'm sure they will share their stories with

you. The majority, though, say that the only difficulties they had were in

drinking the oil/juice or the Epsom Salts mixture (if they include it) or

with the diarrhea resulting from the Epsom Salts. Aside from that, the

negative stories are definitely in the minority, and a very small minority at

that. But it's good to see the whole picture.

Keep us posted on how you're doing, okay?

in health,

rachel~

criden@... writes:

> Well, I guess it might be gallstones causing the pain afterall. I

> was hoping for something like - ulcers!! Crazy ??!?! Thank you

> everyone for your responses. I am going to talk to the

> gastroenterologist next month about the flush. Has anyone ever had

> positive feedback from their doctors about doing a flush?

>

> One more question... has anyone ever had adverse affects from a

> flush? Has anyone ever had to seek medical attention after doing

> it? <I baby a was i you told>

>

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it and ignorance may deride

it, but in the end there it is. " Winston Churchill

March 24, 2002

>Has anyone ever had positive feedback from

>their doctors about doing a flush?

Unfortunately, never. :-(

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

March 24, 2002

My Doctor was the one who put me on the flush 2 years

ago. He is an MD

What a guy!

--- " L. Meydrech " <claudiameydrech@...>

wrote:

> >Has anyone ever had positive feedback from

> >their doctors about doing a flush?

>

> Unfortunately, never. :-(

>

> L. Meydrech, CN

> http://nutritionist.tripod.com

> " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

__________________________________________________

March 24, 2002

Does the AMA know that? :-)

> > >Has anyone ever had positive feedback from

> > >their doctors about doing a flush?

> >

> > Unfortunately, never. :-(

> >

> > L. Meydrech, CN

> > http://nutritionist.tripod.com

> > " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

>

> __________________________________________________

>

March 24, 2002

That is great...and rare!! Where is he?? claudia

> My Doctor was the one who put me on the flush 2 years

> ago. He is an MD

>

> What a guy!

>

> --- " L. Meydrech " <claudiameydrech@...>

> wrote:

> > >Has anyone ever had positive feedback from

> > >their doctors about doing a flush?

> >

> > Unfortunately, never. :-(

> >

> > L. Meydrech, CN

> > http://nutritionist.tripod.com

> > " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

>

> __________________________________________________

>

March 24, 2002

Barry,

I got the same run around you did in the beginning.

You have to have it taken out. There is no other

option. You will come running back to me. (NOT!!)

And then finding my current Doctor 2 years ago, he

suggested the flush. Especially doing it a couple of

times. It has worked well for me.

I don't think he is concerned about the AMA. At least

he doesn't appear to be.

Jeff

--- barry91162 <barry91162@...> wrote:

> Does the AMA know that? :-)

>

> > > >Has anyone ever had positive feedback from

> > > >their doctors about doing a flush?

> > >

> > > Unfortunately, never. :-(

> > >

> > > L. Meydrech, CN

> > > http://nutritionist.tripod.com

> > > " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

March 24, 2002

He is in Michigan....Detroit area...

--- " L. Meydrech " <claudiameydrech@...>

wrote:

>

> That is great...and rare!! Where is he?? claudia

>

> > My Doctor was the one who put me on the flush 2

> years

> > ago. He is an MD

> >

> > What a guy!

> >

> > --- " L. Meydrech "

> <claudiameydrech@...>

> > wrote:

> > > >Has anyone ever had positive feedback from

> > > >their doctors about doing a flush?

> > >

> > > Unfortunately, never. :-(

> > >

> > > L. Meydrech, CN

> > > http://nutritionist.tripod.com

> > > " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

March 24, 2002

that would be a little bit of a drive for me :-)

too bad, but you are blessed! claudia

> He is in Michigan....Detroit area...

>

> --- " L. Meydrech " <claudiameydrech@...>

> wrote:

> >

> > That is great...and rare!! Where is he?? claudia

> >

> > > My Doctor was the one who put me on the flush 2

> > years

> > > ago. He is an MD

> > >

> > > What a guy!

> > >

> > > --- " L. Meydrech "

> > <claudiameydrech@...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >Has anyone ever had positive feedback from

> > > > >their doctors about doing a flush?

> > > >

> > > > Unfortunately, never. :-(

> > > >

> > > > L. Meydrech, CN

> > > > http://nutritionist.tripod.com

> > > > " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > removed]

> > > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

March 24, 2002

Yes, I am blessed indeed...but not because of my

doctor....it's all about Jesus!

--- " L. Meydrech " <claudiameydrech@...>

wrote:

> that would be a little bit of a drive for me :-)

> too bad, but you are blessed! claudia

>

> > He is in Michigan....Detroit area...

> >

> > --- " L. Meydrech "

> <claudiameydrech@...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > That is great...and rare!! Where is he?? claudia

> > >

> > > > My Doctor was the one who put me on the flush

> 2

> > > years

> > > > ago. He is an MD

> > > >

> > > > What a guy!

> > > >

> > > > --- " L. Meydrech "

> > > <claudiameydrech@...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >Has anyone ever had positive feedback from

> > > > > >their doctors about doing a flush?

> > > > >

> > > > > Unfortunately, never. :-(

> > > > >

> > > > > L. Meydrech, CN

> > > > > http://nutritionist.tripod.com

> > > > > " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov.

> 17:22a

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > >

> __________________________________________________

> > > >

March 24, 2002

Right on. Romans 15:13 is good to read before a flush. :-)

> > > > > > >Has anyone ever had positive feedback from

> > > > > > >their doctors about doing a flush?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Unfortunately, never. :-(

> > > > > >

> > > > > > L. Meydrech, CN

> > > > > > http://nutritionist.tripod.com

> > > > > > " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov.

> > 17:22a

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > > removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > __________________________________________________

> > > > >

June 10, 2010

It's pretty straightforward. Antibiotics don't work constantly; they're only

effective at killing bacteria while the bugs are at a certain vulnerable point

in their reproductive cycle. Most bacteria multiply every 12-72 hours, so if you

take a 10-day course of antibiotics, there are several windows of vulnerability,

because you're treating them through anywhere from three to 20 reproductive

cycles. In other words, the antibiotics have several chances to get the job done

-- and usually do.

Lyme (and other spirochetes) only reproduce once every 28 days, which is

extraordinarily long for bacteria. Which means a 10-day course may not catch

them during even *one* reproductive cycle, let alone several. You need a minimum

of one month of drugs to be assured that you've caught at least one cycle -- and

it's better if you can treat through two or three cycles. That's why we keep

saying 2-3 months of antibiotics are a safer way to go: it gives you the same

multiple bites at the apple that a 10-day or two-week course would normally give

you with any other bug.

Make sense?

Sara

On Jun 9, 2010, at 5:28 05PM, Ellen Montemarano wrote:

> Hi -

>

> My doctor refuses to prescribe more than 10 days of antibiotics. I have an

> appointment with him next week, two days after I finish the current dose (he

> initially wanted to see me in two weeks). I am not sure what to do.

>

> I have a question for the list, which may sound a bit obnoxious, but I am

> really new to this and trying to get an understanding.

>

> Why do I need to take antibiotics for so long? I have heard from people on

> this list as well as in in real life. (In fact, one woman at my work has

> been very emotional about the whole issue to the point where I want her to

> leave me alone.) Even my chiropractor, who never tells me to take medicine,

> thinks I should be on antibiotics longer than 10 days. But when I look

> online, I really don't see much that explains why I need to take it so long.

> Most of the information that I see is actually the opposite - that many

> patients are taking it too long. All the people I actually know, were

> diagnosed way after it developed.

>

> Thanks.

>

> E

>

> From: [mailto: ] On Behalf

> Of Ellen Montemarano

> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 5:14 PM

>

> Subject: RE: [ ] Newbie here

>

> *Two* months? The hospital gave me a prescription for only 10 days & when

> I spoke to my doctor's office today, I was told to make an appointment for a

> test in six weeks. I will call again tomorrow.

>

> Thanks for the information.

>

> From: <mailto: %40>

> [mailto: <mailto: %40> ] On

> Behalf

> Of Sara

> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 3:55 PM

> <mailto: %40>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Newbie here

>

> You probably could have waited until Monday. It moves fast, but not *that*

> fast.

>

> Ticks only feed (IIRC, someone will correct me if I'm wrong) three times in

> their lives, once at each developmental stage. So you got to be the lucky

> provider of one of that tick's only three lifetime blood meals. Having

> feasted on you, it likely did not move on to chow down on anyone else.

>

> On the other hand, where there's one Lyme tick, there are usually many more.

> Be sure to examine every member of your family thoroughly (even the scalp --

> a lot of people get bit there and never notice due to the hair, which ticks

> love to hide in); and do it once a week for the next few weeks to make sure

> you don't miss a rash if one should come up. Also be alert to " flu " symptoms

> during this time. Only 25% of us ever saw the rash, but the other symptoms

> were the tip-off.

>

> Also: it's easy to spot ticks in their adult phase, but very hard to see

> them in their nymph stage, when they're the size of a poppy seed. You can

> easily have one attached to you for days at this stage, and not notice it --

> especially if it's somewhere you don't usually look at yourself, like your

> back or side or scalp. It's a safe bet most of us were infected by nymphs.

>

> Be sure you get *at least* two months of antibiotics. I know they probably

> gave you 28 days, but many docs will give you another month if you ask. Ask.

> You don't want to mess around with " maybes " on this one.

>

> You're soooo lucky to have caught it this quick. (It took them 23 years to

> diagnose my case, by which point I was well and truly wrecked.) May your

> illness be a short one.

>

> Sara

>

> On Jun 6, 2010, at 9:26 57AM, elle68 wrote:

>

>> Hello:

>>

>> I just got diagnosed last night (Saturday) after noticing a rash on my

> side. I live in NJ and have spent some time in the parks ere, plus recently

> spent time in my brother's backyard in Long Island, NY, which has tons of

> bushes and is surrounded by trees. So I don't doubt that I could have come

> in contact with a tick. However, the rash I have is on my right side in an

> obvious place where I would think that I would have seen a tick had it been

> there for 48 hours. Is it common that people don't realize that they have

> been bit?

>>

>> Also, should I be worried about my family having been exposed as well?

> Since I didn't notice the tick, can I assume it ate its full and went on its

> merry way and left my family alone or should I be worried it snacked on them

> too?

>>

>> Also, on the practical side, has anyone been the ER to get diagnosed?

> While I know that it is important to be treated quickly, I am worried that

> my insurance will refuse to pay because I perhaps could have waited to see a

> doctor, but my DR wasn't comfortable phoning in a prescription and I didn't

> want to wait until Monday to be seen.

>>

>> Thanks!

>>

>> Ellen

>>

>> ------------------------------------

>>

>> Lyme Disease News continually updated from thousands of sources around the

>> net: http://www.topix.net/health/lyme-disease

>>

>> MedWorm: The latest items on: Lyme Disease

>> http://tinyurl.com/23dgy8

>>

June 10, 2010

Ellen,

I received 2 weeks of Doxycyline for 2 weeks after acute symptoms: fever, severe

headache bulls eye rash. That was in May '02. Previously in Nov. '01 I went

to the same MD, my primary, with same symptoms but a larger bulls eye rash and

he ordered 3 weeks of Doxy. Felt fine after both courses of antibiotics.

However, in Oct. '03 I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism and started on

Synthroid (later switched to Armour). No matter how normal the blood tests

were, I never felt completely well after that. Saw my new PCP about recurring

extreme fatigue, even after a good night's sleep. Saw 2 endocrinologists who

both said there was nothing wrong with my endocrine system. I continued to get

worse over the next 5 years to the point where I knew something was seriously

wrong. I had severe mood swings, heart palpitations, fatigue with exertion,

shortness of breath. Finally based on the mood swings an MD asked if I'd ever

had Lyme (I'd never included it on my history forms because I thought it was no

big deal). I said yes, twice. She ordered a battery of tests for infectious

diseases including Lyme & co-infections. Lyme came back positive.

I have now been on antibiotics for almost a year (3 months on IV abxs). I see a

well respected Lyme specialist who also does research and is a former president

of ILADS (The International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society). If your MD

won't give you at least 4 weeks of antibiotics, find a Lyme Literate MD who

will. The life cycle of the spirochetes is 4 weeks. Some LLMDs may even

suggest 6 weeks. Go to the website lymeproject.com to understand the

approach of ILADS practitioners.

Don't risk missing the opportunity for a complete cure. Even if you feel well

after 2 weeks of abxs.--that doesn't mean all the spirochetes and (possible

co-infections) have been eradicated. They can go dormant and reappear months or

years later--causing serious health problems.

Best of luck,

Kim

Re: [ ] Newbie here

You probably could have waited until Monday. It moves fast, but not *that*

fast.

Ticks only feed (IIRC, someone will correct me if I'm wrong) three times in

their lives, once at each developmental stage. So you got to be the lucky

provider of one of that tick's only three lifetime blood meals. Having

feasted on you, it likely did not move on to chow down on anyone else.

On the other hand, where there's one Lyme tick, there are usually many more.

Be sure to examine every member of your family thoroughly (even the scalp --

a lot of people get bit there and never notice due to the hair, which ticks

love to hide in); and do it once a week for the next few weeks to make sure

you don't miss a rash if one should come up. Also be alert to " flu " symptoms

during this time. Only 25% of us ever saw the rash, but the other symptoms

were the tip-off.

Also: it's easy to spot ticks in their adult phase, but very hard to see

them in their nymph stage, when they're the size of a poppy seed. You can

easily have one attached to you for days at this stage, and not notice it --

especially if it's somewhere you don't usually look at yourself, like your

back or side or scalp. It's a safe bet most of us were infected by nymphs.

Be sure you get *at least* two months of antibiotics. I know they probably

gave you 28 days, but many docs will give you another month if you ask. Ask.

You don't want to mess around with " maybes " on this one.

You're soooo lucky to have caught it this quick. (It took them 23 years to

diagnose my case, by which point I was well and truly wrecked.) May your

illness be a short one.

Sara

On Jun 6, 2010, at 9:26 57AM, elle68 wrote:

> Hello:

>

> I just got diagnosed last night (Saturday) after noticing a rash on my

side. I live in NJ and have spent some time in the parks ere, plus recently

spent time in my brother's backyard in Long Island, NY, which has tons of

bushes and is surrounded by trees. So I don't doubt that I could have come

in contact with a tick. However, the rash I have is on my right side in an

obvious place where I would think that I would have seen a tick had it been

there for 48 hours. Is it common that people don't realize that they have

been bit?

>

> Also, should I be worried about my family having been exposed as well?

Since I didn't notice the tick, can I assume it ate its full and went on its

merry way and left my family alone or should I be worried it snacked on them

too?

>

> Also, on the practical side, has anyone been the ER to get diagnosed?

While I know that it is important to be treated quickly, I am worried that

my insurance will refuse to pay because I perhaps could have waited to see a

doctor, but my DR wasn't comfortable phoning in a prescription and I didn't

want to wait until Monday to be seen.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Ellen

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Lyme Disease News continually updated from thousands of sources around the

> net: http://www.topix.net/health/lyme-disease

>

> MedWorm: The latest items on: Lyme Disease

> http://tinyurl.com/23dgy8

>

June 10, 2010

ELLEN,

BETTER TO BE SAFE THAN

SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY???????????????

YOU COULD POSSIBLY BE SAVING YOURSELF FROM YEARS OF BODY PAIN, VISION

PROBLEMS OR LOSS OF VISION, INSANITY, INSOMNIA, NEUROLOGICAL DAMAGE,

INCONTINENCE, LOSS OF SEX DRIVE, HAIR LOSS, CHRONIC FATIGUE, JOINT & MUSCLE

PAIN, EXTREME WEIGHT GAIN OR LOSS, CHRONIC SORE THROATS, TREMORS, SEIZURES,

IRREGULAR HEARTBEAT, FEELING LIKE YOU CAN'T BREATH, STIFFNESS IN JOINTS,

VERTIGO/DIZZINESS, RAGE AND/OR EXTREME MOOD SWINGS,

LOSS OF HEARING, RINGING IN THE EARS, CONFUSION, DIFFICULTY THINKING,

DIFFICULTY READING, DROPPING THINGS, GETTING LOST, NOT REMEMBERING THINGS,

BELL'S PALSEY, PARKINSON'S (like symptoms), MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS (like

symptoms) AND THE LIST GOES ON!

I AM NOT SORRY IF I SOUND ABNOXIOUS IF IT WILL SAVE YOU FROM A LIFE OF

MISERY!

AND MAYBE IF IT DOESN'T AND YOU DON'T LISTEN TO EVERYONE YOU HAVE TALKED TO

AND GO WITH WHAT THE INTERNET HAS TO SAY THEN ONE DAY *YOU* WILL BE " THE

LADY THAT IS EMOTIONAL WHEN YOU TALK TO SOMEONE ELSE ABOUT LYME DISEASE "

DANIELLE

On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Ellen Montemarano <elle920@...>wrote:

>

> Hi -

>

> My doctor refuses to prescribe more than 10 days of antibiotics. I have an

> appointment with him next week, two days after I finish the current dose

> (he

> initially wanted to see me in two weeks). I am not sure what to do.

>

> I have a question for the list, which may sound a bit obnoxious, but I am

> really new to this and trying to get an understanding.

>

> Why do I need to take antibiotics for so long? I have heard from people on

> this list as well as in in real life. (In fact, one woman at my work has

> been very emotional about the whole issue to the point where I want her to

> leave me alone.) Even my chiropractor, who never tells me to take medicine,

> thinks I should be on antibiotics longer than 10 days. But when I look

> online, I really don't see much that explains why I need to take it so

> long.

> Most of the information that I see is actually the opposite - that many

> patients are taking it too long. All the people I actually know, were

> diagnosed way after it developed.

>

> Thanks.

>

> E

>

> From: < %40> [mailto:

> < %40>] On Behalf

> Of Ellen Montemarano

> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 5:14 PM

> < %40>

> Subject: RE: [ ] Newbie here

>

> *Two* months? The hospital gave me a prescription for only 10 days & when

> I spoke to my doctor's office today, I was told to make an appointment for

> a

> test in six weeks. I will call again tomorrow.

>

> Thanks for the information.

>

> From: < %40> <mailto:

> %40 < %2540>>

> [mailto: < %40> <mailto:

> %40 < %2540>> ] On

> Behalf

> Of Sara

> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 3:55 PM

> < %40> <mailto:

> %40 < %2540>>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Newbie here

>

> You probably could have waited until Monday. It moves fast, but not *that*

> fast.

>

> Ticks only feed (IIRC, someone will correct me if I'm wrong) three times in

> their lives, once at each developmental stage. So you got to be the lucky

> provider of one of that tick's only three lifetime blood meals. Having

> feasted on you, it likely did not move on to chow down on anyone else.

>

> On the other hand, where there's one Lyme tick, there are usually many

> more.

> Be sure to examine every member of your family thoroughly (even the scalp

> --

> a lot of people get bit there and never notice due to the hair, which ticks

> love to hide in); and do it once a week for the next few weeks to make sure

> you don't miss a rash if one should come up. Also be alert to " flu "

> symptoms

> during this time. Only 25% of us ever saw the rash, but the other symptoms

> were the tip-off.

>

> Also: it's easy to spot ticks in their adult phase, but very hard to see

> them in their nymph stage, when they're the size of a poppy seed. You can

> easily have one attached to you for days at this stage, and not notice it

> --

> especially if it's somewhere you don't usually look at yourself, like your

> back or side or scalp. It's a safe bet most of us were infected by nymphs.

>

> Be sure you get *at least* two months of antibiotics. I know they probably

> gave you 28 days, but many docs will give you another month if you ask.

> Ask.

> You don't want to mess around with " maybes " on this one.

>

> You're soooo lucky to have caught it this quick. (It took them 23 years to

> diagnose my case, by which point I was well and truly wrecked.) May your

> illness be a short one.

>

> Sara

>

> On Jun 6, 2010, at 9:26 57AM, elle68 wrote:

>

> > Hello:

> >

> > I just got diagnosed last night (Saturday) after noticing a rash on my

> side. I live in NJ and have spent some time in the parks ere, plus recently

> spent time in my brother's backyard in Long Island, NY, which has tons of

> bushes and is surrounded by trees. So I don't doubt that I could have come

> in contact with a tick. However, the rash I have is on my right side in an

> obvious place where I would think that I would have seen a tick had it been

> there for 48 hours. Is it common that people don't realize that they have

> been bit?

> >

> > Also, should I be worried about my family having been exposed as well?

> Since I didn't notice the tick, can I assume it ate its full and went on

> its

> merry way and left my family alone or should I be worried it snacked on

> them

> too?

> >

> > Also, on the practical side, has anyone been the ER to get diagnosed?

> While I know that it is important to be treated quickly, I am worried that

> my insurance will refuse to pay because I perhaps could have waited to see

> a

> doctor, but my DR wasn't comfortable phoning in a prescription and I didn't

> want to wait until Monday to be seen.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > Ellen

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > Lyme Disease News continually updated from thousands of sources around

> the

> > net: http://www.topix.net/health/lyme-disease

> >

> > MedWorm: The latest items on: Lyme Disease

> > http://tinyurl.com/23dgy8

> >

June 10, 2010

Sara:

Awesome email. Thanks so much! I have been getting mostly emotional

responses. This is the info I needed. Thanks.

It makes sense, but my doctor outright refuses to give me the antibiotics -

how do I find one who will?

Ellen

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf

Of Sara

Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 2:49 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Newbie again

It's pretty straightforward. Antibiotics don't work constantly; they're only

effective at killing bacteria while the bugs are at a certain vulnerable

point in their reproductive cycle. Most bacteria multiply every 12-72 hours,

so if you take a 10-day course of antibiotics, there are several windows of

vulnerability, because you're treating them through anywhere from three to

20 reproductive cycles. In other words, the antibiotics have several chances

to get the job done -- and usually do.

Lyme (and other spirochetes) only reproduce once every 28 days, which is

extraordinarily long for bacteria. Which means a 10-day course may not catch

them during even *one* reproductive cycle, let alone several. You need a

minimum of one month of drugs to be assured that you've caught at least one

cycle -- and it's better if you can treat through two or three cycles.

That's why we keep saying 2-3 months of antibiotics are a safer way to go:

it gives you the same multiple bites at the apple that a 10-day or two-week

course would normally give you with any other bug.

Make sense?

Sara

On Jun 9, 2010, at 5:28 05PM, Ellen Montemarano wrote:

> Hi -

>

> My doctor refuses to prescribe more than 10 days of antibiotics. I have an

> appointment with him next week, two days after I finish the current dose

(he

> initially wanted to see me in two weeks). I am not sure what to do.

>

> I have a question for the list, which may sound a bit obnoxious, but I am

> really new to this and trying to get an understanding.

>

> Why do I need to take antibiotics for so long? I have heard from people on

> this list as well as in in real life. (In fact, one woman at my work has

> been very emotional about the whole issue to the point where I want her to

> leave me alone.) Even my chiropractor, who never tells me to take

medicine,

> thinks I should be on antibiotics longer than 10 days. But when I look

> online, I really don't see much that explains why I need to take it so

long.

> Most of the information that I see is actually the opposite - that many

> patients are taking it too long. All the people I actually know, were

> diagnosed way after it developed.

>

> Thanks.

>

> E

>

> From: <mailto: %40>

[mailto: <mailto: %40> ] On

Behalf

> Of Ellen Montemarano

> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 5:14 PM

> <mailto: %40>

> Subject: RE: [ ] Newbie here

>

> *Two* months? The hospital gave me a prescription for only 10 days & when

> I spoke to my doctor's office today, I was told to make an appointment for

a

> test in six weeks. I will call again tomorrow.

>

> Thanks for the information.

>

> From: <mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

> [mailto: <mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40> ] On

> Behalf

> Of Sara

> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 3:55 PM

> <mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Newbie here

>

> You probably could have waited until Monday. It moves fast, but not *that*

> fast.

>

> Ticks only feed (IIRC, someone will correct me if I'm wrong) three times

in

> their lives, once at each developmental stage. So you got to be the lucky

> provider of one of that tick's only three lifetime blood meals. Having

> feasted on you, it likely did not move on to chow down on anyone else.

>

> On the other hand, where there's one Lyme tick, there are usually many

more.

> Be sure to examine every member of your family thoroughly (even the scalp

--

> a lot of people get bit there and never notice due to the hair, which

ticks

> love to hide in); and do it once a week for the next few weeks to make

sure

> you don't miss a rash if one should come up. Also be alert to " flu "

symptoms

> during this time. Only 25% of us ever saw the rash, but the other symptoms

> were the tip-off.

>

> Also: it's easy to spot ticks in their adult phase, but very hard to see

> them in their nymph stage, when they're the size of a poppy seed. You can

> easily have one attached to you for days at this stage, and not notice it

--

> especially if it's somewhere you don't usually look at yourself, like your

> back or side or scalp. It's a safe bet most of us were infected by nymphs.

>

> Be sure you get *at least* two months of antibiotics. I know they probably

> gave you 28 days, but many docs will give you another month if you ask.

Ask.

> You don't want to mess around with " maybes " on this one.

>

> You're soooo lucky to have caught it this quick. (It took them 23 years to

> diagnose my case, by which point I was well and truly wrecked.) May your

> illness be a short one.

>

> Sara

>

> On Jun 6, 2010, at 9:26 57AM, elle68 wrote:

>

>> Hello:

>>

>> I just got diagnosed last night (Saturday) after noticing a rash on my

> side. I live in NJ and have spent some time in the parks ere, plus

recently

> spent time in my brother's backyard in Long Island, NY, which has tons of

> bushes and is surrounded by trees. So I don't doubt that I could have come

> in contact with a tick. However, the rash I have is on my right side in an

> obvious place where I would think that I would have seen a tick had it

been

> there for 48 hours. Is it common that people don't realize that they have

> been bit?

>>

>> Also, should I be worried about my family having been exposed as well?

> Since I didn't notice the tick, can I assume it ate its full and went on

its

> merry way and left my family alone or should I be worried it snacked on

them

> too?

>>

>> Also, on the practical side, has anyone been the ER to get diagnosed?

> While I know that it is important to be treated quickly, I am worried that

> my insurance will refuse to pay because I perhaps could have waited to see

a

> doctor, but my DR wasn't comfortable phoning in a prescription and I

didn't

> want to wait until Monday to be seen.

>>

>> Thanks!

>>

>> Ellen

>>

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June 10, 2010

Answers like this are exactly why I am asking this question. I am seriously

trying to find out why so many people are telling me to disregard my doctor.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf

Of fsmfarms

Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:41 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Newbie again

Put it this way you will learn the hard why that it takes more than 10 days.

Just the nature of the bug. I am on them for lifetime