Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 I just got an email from some online journal dedicated to " probe medical, scientific, environmental, artistic and political issues in a manner that one rarely encounters in mainstream news reports. " telling me that cord clamping at birth is the cause of autism. ACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jacquie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 > " telling me that cord clamping at birth is the cause of autism. > > ACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>> Hmmmmm...let's see. It took at least four years for the impact of this birth accident to really hit ...another 2 1/2 years to complete doing it's damage...if it has. Do I buy this? FWIW, there is also a group who firmly believe that failing to teach women to squat regularly and properly is the cause of many, many birth defects...it's known as " the great squat robbery " ...and shows up on PT and chiropractic lists all the time... Raena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 > > I just got an email from some online journal dedicated to " probe medical, scientific, environmental, artistic and political issues in a manner that one rarely encounters in mainstream news reports. " telling me that cord clamping at birth is the cause of autism. > > ACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Jacquie Huh??? If I read this right, wouldn't that mean that all babies would be autistic? Kerri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 Would everyone in the world who every had their cord clamped at birth, please raise their hand! The first Developmental Assessor that I took Nicky to told me that his problems most likely stemmed from the fact that Roland and I had a troubled marriage, and from the fact that I was neglecting him due to the stress of having too many children to deal with. I think she had her cord clamped BEFORE birth. B you will NEVER believe THIS one I just got an email from some online journal dedicated to " probe medical, scientific, environmental, artistic and political issues in a manner that one rarely encounters in mainstream news reports. " telling me that cord clamping at birth is the cause of autism. ACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jacquie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 She's needs her tongue clamped. Mimi --- Barber wrote: > Would everyone in the world who every had their cord > clamped at birth, please raise their hand! > > The first Developmental Assessor that I took Nicky > to told me that his problems most likely stemmed > from the fact that Roland and I had a troubled > marriage, and from the fact that I was neglecting > him due to the stress of having too many children to > deal with. I think she had her cord clamped BEFORE > birth. > > B > you will NEVER believe > THIS one > > > > I just got an email from some online journal > dedicated to " probe medical, scientific, > environmental, artistic and political issues in a > manner that one rarely encounters in mainstream news > reports. " telling me that cord clamping at birth is > the cause of autism. > > ACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Jacquie > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 > The first Developmental Assessor that I took Nicky to told me that his problems most likely stemmed from the fact that Roland and I had a troubled marriage, and from the fact that I was neglecting him due to the stress of having too many children to deal with. I think she had her cord clamped BEFORE birth. > Oh, this DA is wonderful! This means, my girls cannot be autistic as I had no problems in my marriage whatsoever, AND - - - I had no other kids to deal with. We're CURED! Grace ;o) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 Cord clamping? You mean when they clamp the cord so they can cut it? Wouldn't that make us all autistic? Tuna you will NEVER believe THIS one I just got an email from some online journal dedicated to " probe medical, scientific, environmental, artistic and political issues in a manner that one rarely encounters in mainstream news reports. " telling me that cord clamping at birth is the cause of autism. ACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jacquie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 All right, so how do you explain babies who were never clmaped but had their cords tied and are, you guessed it, still autistic? HUH? That goes right up there with the daycare theories and parenting theories. Morons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 It is routine when an NICU team is present at > an " at risk " birth and is mandated by ACOG for cord blood pH determination. > [8] In current obstetrical practice, natural (physiological) cord closure is > almost never allowed to occur; obstetricians and pediatricians in general > are completely unaware of any danger incurred by immediate cord clamping. There was a NICU (portable unit) in my room when I had Mitchel. My water had broken, and it was discolored. They wanted them there as a precaution. As soon as he was born, whoosh he went to them who checked him out. everything was normal (ha!) I don't recall how long it took for them to 'give him back' I was a little out of it.... Kerri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 > Autism should correlate with birth records of premature cord clamping or > with circumstances that confirm immediate / early cord clamping. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Autism should not correlate with natural cord closure or with a newborn that > cries quickly and has a five-minute Apgar score of 9 or 10. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Now, hmmm.... had a normal birth, was NOT in the NICU, and had a > one-minute Apgar of 9. So therefore my babies born at home that did not have early cord tieing and had nice healthy Apgars should all be NT. Right? Yipee. and J are NT everyone! Imbeciles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 > Cord clamping? You mean when they clamp the cord so they can cut it? Wouldn't that make us all autistic? > > Tuna Yup. Here's an excerpt: The diverse symptoms of these disorders involving " higher " human faculties indicate diverse cerebral lesions, probably cortical, involving memory ability, storage and recall. This article presents compelling evidence that autism and related childhood disorders can result from brain damage caused by birth asphyxia - more specifically due to interruption of placental oxygenation at birth by premature umbilical cord clamping. Asphyxia at Birth How to Prove an Association Exists Between Birth Asphyxia And Autism Immediate cord clamping is now a very common practice and occurs in almost all modern obstetrical births. It is routine when an NICU team is present at an " at risk " birth and is mandated by ACOG for cord blood pH determination. [8] In current obstetrical practice, natural (physiological) cord closure is almost never allowed to occur; obstetricians and pediatricians in general are completely unaware of any danger incurred by immediate cord clamping. In general, the incidence of autism has paralleled the incidence of immediate cord clamping, and supports the conclusion that autism results from birth asphyxia caused by immediate cord clamping. Additional proof should be available from birth records: At natural (normal) birth with natural closure of the umbilical vessels (no cord clamp used), neonatal asphyxia is avoided because placental oxygenation continues - the cord pulsates - until pulmonary oxygenation is established. During this time, a large amount of placental oxygenated blood is transfused into the child; this additional blood volume is used to establish pulmonary circulation and pulmonary oxygenation. After the lungs are functioning, the cord vessels close reflexively. Cord clamping before the child has breathed and while the cord is still pulsating causes a period of asphyxia until the lungs begin to function; it also aborts placental transfusion leaving the child hypovolemic (low blood volume) and prone to anemia as a large amount of iron is left in the placenta. Deficient pulmonary blood flow may delay pulmonary oxygenation. The " bottom line " is that immediate cord clamping followed by sufficient delay in pulmonary oxygenation will produce permanent hypoxic brain damage. [2] How to Prove an Association Exists Between Birth Asphyxia And Autism Immediate cord clamping is now a very common practice and occurs in almost all modern obstetrical births. It is routine when an NICU team is present at an " at risk " birth and is mandated by ACOG for cord blood pH determination. [8] In current obstetrical practice, natural (physiological) cord closure is almost never allowed to occur; obstetricians and pediatricians in general are completely unaware of any danger incurred by immediate cord clamping. In general, the incidence of autism has paralleled the incidence of immediate cord clamping, and supports the conclusion that autism results from birth asphyxia caused by immediate cord clamping. Additional proof should be available from birth records: Autism should correlate with birth records of premature cord clamping or with circumstances that confirm immediate / early cord clamping. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Autism should not correlate with natural cord closure or with a newborn that cries quickly and has a five-minute Apgar score of 9 or 10. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, hmmm.... had a normal birth, was NOT in the NICU, and had a one-minute Apgar of 9. God, I hate this shit. What is WRONG with people??? Jacquie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 > Now, hmmm.... had a normal birth, was NOT in the NICU, and had a > one-minute Apgar of 9. > A normal c-section, I should say. I use normal to mean non-life-threatening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 I guess Mikey is dead, then, cause his cord never pulsed. His apgars were both 9. Gabe's cord was not clamped. It wasn't cut for about 30 minutes. His apgars were 5 and 7. But he doesn't look autistic, so I guess they're right. Hey! I figured it out! Hospital births cause autism! Oh, wait. Putter. Hey! I figured it out! It's what house Jupiter is in at the moment of conception. -Sara, aka Loopy Gorillabutt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2002 Report Share Posted April 17, 2002 > > There was a NICU (portable unit) in my room when I had Mitchel. > My water had broken, and it was discolored. They wanted them there > as a precaution. As soon as he was born, whoosh he went to them who > checked him out. everything was normal (ha!) I don't recall how > long it took for them to 'give him back' I was a little out of > it.... Kerri, This description is incredibly close to what happened with Elaine...as soon as she was born, they whisked her past me ( " Take a quick look...here she is!), then spent 20 minutes cleaning out her lungs before I ever got to hold her. For whatever it's worth...she is my most " NT " kid. I don't think anyone *knows* much of anything about ANY of this...but almost everyone is willing to take a guess...and we parents get to deal with the guilt, frustration, anger, etc, caused by all the theories... Raena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2002 Report Share Posted April 17, 2002 > > > > I just got an email from some online journal dedicated to " probe > medical, scientific, environmental, artistic and political issues in > a manner that one rarely encounters in mainstream news reports. " > telling me that cord clamping at birth is the cause of autism. > > > > ACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Jacquie > > > Huh??? If I read this right, wouldn't that mean that all babies would > be autistic? > Kerri This is ridiculous!! I posted this ALMOST 24 hours ago!! and it's just now showing up?? What's worse is, I post directly from the archives.... on YAHOO!! 10:22 am the 17th... I wonder how long this will take. It is hard to have a conversation this way! Kerri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2002 Report Share Posted April 17, 2002 Oh brother. you will NEVER believe THIS one I just got an email from some online journal dedicated to " probe medical, scientific, environmental, artistic and political issues in a manner that one rarely encounters in mainstream news reports. " telling me that cord clamping at birth is the cause of autism. ACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jacquie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2002 Report Share Posted April 17, 2002 Hmmm, was induced labor, delivered by c-section, and his apgars were only 3 and 5. Then he quit breathing at 6hrs and 12 hrs old. 2 1/2 days after coming home he was in PICU on a vent. Yet, none of this happened with and you all know the rest of THAT story. Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2002 Report Share Posted April 17, 2002 A- HA!!!!!!! I did not squat properly!!! I knew it!!! I just knew it as they had me lying flat on my back! Penny, non-squatter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2002 Report Share Posted April 17, 2002 I'm still blaming mine on the pitocin...hey wait a minute, that was with the NT ones! B RE: Re: you will NEVER believe THIS one A- HA!!!!!!! I did not squat properly!!! I knew it!!! I just knew it as they had me lying flat on my back! Penny, non-squatter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2002 Report Share Posted April 17, 2002 > So therefore my babies born at home that did not have early cord > tieing and had nice healthy Apgars should all be NT. Right? Yipee. > and J are NT everyone! Yup. Putter was born at home. Apgar was 6 at one minute, but 9 at five minutes. His cord was not cut quickly at all. Therefore, Putter is not autistic. WANT TO COME AND MEET HIM? This is a lot of hooey. Salli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2002 Report Share Posted April 17, 2002 > A- HA!!!!!!! > > I did not squat properly!!! I knew it!!! I just knew it as they had me lying > flat on my back! > I tried squatting. I am the sort of person who would. I had no prior objections to it. But I hated it. My midwife, a nice homebirth midwife, felt that I should give birth in the position that worked best for me and so I did. Natually, as a result, Putter has autism, but I cannot figure out why Robbie and Sophie do not. Salli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2002 Report Share Posted April 17, 2002 > I'm still blaming mine on the pitocin...hey wait a minute, that was with the NT ones! > Okay, I did have pitocin with Putter even though he was a homebirth. But he was already born! His placenta didn't come out after an hour and a half. Obviously he had an autistic placenta and it had problems with transitions. Salli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2002 Report Share Posted April 17, 2002 >>His placenta didn't come out after an hour and a half. Obviously he had an autistic placenta and it had problems with transitions. That is one of the funniest things I have ever read!!!!! -Sara. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2002 Report Share Posted April 18, 2002 so what exactly is one supposed to do with the cord instead and wouldn't that mean most of us would be autistic then? CHRIS I'M THANKFUL FOR LAUGHTER, JOY AND THE HIGH SPIRITED GLEE THAT FILLS MY HEART TO OVERFLOWING (SIGH). -EEYORE you will NEVER believe THIS one I just got an email from some online journal dedicated to " probe medical, scientific, environmental, artistic and political issues in a manner that one rarely encounters in mainstream news reports. " telling me that cord clamping at birth is the cause of autism. ACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jacquie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2002 Report Share Posted April 18, 2002 > >>His placenta didn't come out after an hour and a half. Obviously he had > an > autistic placenta and it had problems with transitions. > > That is one of the funniest things I have ever read!!!!! > > -Sara. That is hilarious!! Kerri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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