Re: Need advice on acidophilis

[Guest guest]

Faye...

When Barb M. was posting regularly, she advocated acidopholuous, but did

caution that it could cause a 'yeast die off' that would make things worse

before they got better. I wish she was still posting! She knows so much

about this topic. knows quite a bit as well and Opal...hopefully

they see this and can help out. I just remember that Barb said it might get

worse before getting better, but I didn't get the feeling that it would last

long. Nan

----Original Message Follows----

From: rhmtce@...

Reply-To: ketogenic

To: ketogenic

Subject: Need advice on acidophilis

Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 19:31:33 -0000

Hi All

We started giving Mike acidophilis last week (tues) to fight what

seems like a longstanding yeast problem. He was ok tues and had a few

problems (seizures) on wed but thursday and friday were awful-

seizures of every kind - stares. drops, myoclonics, and generalized

seizure on thurs am. We only gave two capsules- tues and wed then

stopped when things started to fall apart. Before acid. we were having

a pretty good streak with just a couple of tiny myoclonics/day. My

question is - has anyone seen this type of reaction? Could it be his

body responding to the different bacteria? Is it a reaction to some

type of toxin given off by the dying yeast. Mike is extremely

sensitive now to any dairy product- even a drop of milk leads to

seizure. This acid. says " lactic culture- freeze dried " . Does this

mean it was made from dairy culture? Can this be the problem? Today is

a better day however now his tongue is all broken out in white

craters. Any Acidophilis experts out there with ideas?

Faye

_________________________________________________________________

Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

[Guest guest]

I just passed faye's note on to Barb. I know she is really busy this weekend

with all

kinds of kids' birthday parties and such but I am hoping she will see it, I will

make

sure she does The white tongue does sound like something to do with the yeast

die off

but I really don't know much about it myself

nanett prausa wrote:

> Faye...

>

> When Barb M. was posting regularly, she advocated acidopholuous, but did

> caution that it could cause a 'yeast die off' that would make things worse

> before they got better. I wish she was still posting! She knows so much

> about this topic. knows quite a bit as well and Opal...hopefully

> they see this and can help out. I just remember that Barb said it might get

> worse before getting better, but I didn't get the feeling that it would last

> long. Nan

> ----Original Message Follows----

> From: rhmtce@...

> Reply-To: ketogenic

> To: ketogenic

> Subject: Need advice on acidophilis

> Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 19:31:33 -0000

>

> Hi All

> We started giving Mike acidophilis last week (tues) to fight what

> seems like a longstanding yeast problem. He was ok tues and had a few

> problems (seizures) on wed but thursday and friday were awful-

> seizures of every kind - stares. drops, myoclonics, and generalized

> seizure on thurs am. We only gave two capsules- tues and wed then

> stopped when things started to fall apart. Before acid. we were having

> a pretty good streak with just a couple of tiny myoclonics/day. My

> question is - has anyone seen this type of reaction? Could it be his

> body responding to the different bacteria? Is it a reaction to some

> type of toxin given off by the dying yeast. Mike is extremely

> sensitive now to any dairy product- even a drop of milk leads to

> seizure. This acid. says " lactic culture- freeze dried " . Does this

> mean it was made from dairy culture? Can this be the problem? Today is

> a better day however now his tongue is all broken out in white

> craters. Any Acidophilis experts out there with ideas?

> Faye

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a professional

keto team!

> Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

>

>

> " I know God never gives us more than we can handle. . .I just

> wish he didn't trust me so much. " Mother Theresa

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I just passed faye's note on to Barb. I know she is really busy this weekend

with all

kinds of kids' birthday parties and such but I am hoping she will see it, I will

make

sure she does The white tongue does sound like something to do with the yeast

die off

but I really don't know much about it myself

nanett prausa wrote:

> Faye...

>

> When Barb M. was posting regularly, she advocated acidopholuous, but did

> caution that it could cause a 'yeast die off' that would make things worse

> before they got better. I wish she was still posting! She knows so much

> about this topic. knows quite a bit as well and Opal...hopefully

> they see this and can help out. I just remember that Barb said it might get

> worse before getting better, but I didn't get the feeling that it would last

> long. Nan

> ----Original Message Follows----

> From: rhmtce@...

> Reply-To: ketogenic

> To: ketogenic

> Subject: Need advice on acidophilis

> Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 19:31:33 -0000

>

> Hi All

> We started giving Mike acidophilis last week (tues) to fight what

> seems like a longstanding yeast problem. He was ok tues and had a few

> problems (seizures) on wed but thursday and friday were awful-

> seizures of every kind - stares. drops, myoclonics, and generalized

> seizure on thurs am. We only gave two capsules- tues and wed then

> stopped when things started to fall apart. Before acid. we were having

> a pretty good streak with just a couple of tiny myoclonics/day. My

> question is - has anyone seen this type of reaction? Could it be his

> body responding to the different bacteria? Is it a reaction to some

> type of toxin given off by the dying yeast. Mike is extremely

> sensitive now to any dairy product- even a drop of milk leads to

> seizure. This acid. says " lactic culture- freeze dried " . Does this

> mean it was made from dairy culture? Can this be the problem? Today is

> a better day however now his tongue is all broken out in white

> craters. Any Acidophilis experts out there with ideas?

> Faye

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a professional

keto team!

> Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

>

>

> " I know God never gives us more than we can handle. . .I just

> wish he didn't trust me so much. " Mother Theresa

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Nan

I have heard the " worse before better " theory but just wondering if I should

continue

giving it or stop. We have stopped until all is clearer.

I agree it would be great have Barb back. She knows so much.

Faye

nanett prausa wrote:

> Faye...

>

> When Barb M. was posting regularly, she advocated acidopholuous, but did

> caution that it could cause a 'yeast die off' that would make things worse

> before they got better. I wish she was still posting! She knows so much

> about this topic. knows quite a bit as well and Opal...hopefully

> they see this and can help out. I just remember that Barb said it might get

> worse before getting better, but I didn't get the feeling that it would last

> long. Nan

> ----Original Message Follows----

> From: rhmtce@...

> Reply-To: ketogenic

> To: ketogenic

> Subject: Need advice on acidophilis

> Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 19:31:33 -0000

>

> Hi All

> We started giving Mike acidophilis last week (tues) to fight what

> seems like a longstanding yeast problem. He was ok tues and had a few

> problems (seizures) on wed but thursday and friday were awful-

> seizures of every kind - stares. drops, myoclonics, and generalized

> seizure on thurs am. We only gave two capsules- tues and wed then

> stopped when things started to fall apart. Before acid. we were having

> a pretty good streak with just a couple of tiny myoclonics/day. My

> question is - has anyone seen this type of reaction? Could it be his

> body responding to the different bacteria? Is it a reaction to some

> type of toxin given off by the dying yeast. Mike is extremely

> sensitive now to any dairy product- even a drop of milk leads to

> seizure. This acid. says " lactic culture- freeze dried " . Does this

> mean it was made from dairy culture? Can this be the problem? Today is

> a better day however now his tongue is all broken out in white

> craters. Any Acidophilis experts out there with ideas?

> Faye

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a professional

keto team!

> Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

>

>

> " I know God never gives us more than we can handle. . .I just

> wish he didn't trust me so much. " Mother Theresa

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks

Not sure how to proceed- to stop or trudge on ( have stopped for now). Still

wishin I could

get to the Cafe myself but have given up. Thanks for being my postman.

Faye

m.coole@... wrote:

> I just passed faye's note on to Barb. I know she is really busy this weekend

with all

> kinds of kids' birthday parties and such but I am hoping she will see it, I

will make

> sure she does The white tongue does sound like something to do with the

yeast die off

> but I really don't know much about it myself

>

>

> nanett prausa wrote:

>

> > Faye...

> >

> > When Barb M. was posting regularly, she advocated acidopholuous, but did

> > caution that it could cause a 'yeast die off' that would make things worse

> > before they got better. I wish she was still posting! She knows so much

> > about this topic. knows quite a bit as well and Opal...hopefully

> > they see this and can help out. I just remember that Barb said it might get

> > worse before getting better, but I didn't get the feeling that it would last

> > long. Nan

> > ----Original Message Follows----

> > From: rhmtce@...

> > Reply-To: ketogenic

> > To: ketogenic

> > Subject: Need advice on acidophilis

> > Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 19:31:33 -0000

> >

> > Hi All

> > We started giving Mike acidophilis last week (tues) to fight what

> > seems like a longstanding yeast problem. He was ok tues and had a few

> > problems (seizures) on wed but thursday and friday were awful-

> > seizures of every kind - stares. drops, myoclonics, and generalized

> > seizure on thurs am. We only gave two capsules- tues and wed then

> > stopped when things started to fall apart. Before acid. we were having

> > a pretty good streak with just a couple of tiny myoclonics/day. My

> > question is - has anyone seen this type of reaction? Could it be his

> > body responding to the different bacteria? Is it a reaction to some

> > type of toxin given off by the dying yeast. Mike is extremely

> > sensitive now to any dairy product- even a drop of milk leads to

> > seizure. This acid. says " lactic culture- freeze dried " . Does this

> > mean it was made from dairy culture? Can this be the problem? Today is

> > a better day however now his tongue is all broken out in white

> > craters. Any Acidophilis experts out there with ideas?

> > Faye

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

> >

> > " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

resort! "

> >

> > List is for parent to parent support only.

> > It is important to get medical advice from a professional

keto team!

> > Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> > Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

> >

> >

> > " I know God never gives us more than we can handle. . .I

just

> > wish he didn't trust me so much. " Mother Theresa

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Faye,

I'm no acidophilus expert, but stopped giving it

because I suspected it as giving night sz (I used

to give it in the afternoon.) Actually I've been

meaning to try it again during the holidays as I

think Rohan could be having yeast problems.

A few people mentioned that yeast dying off

release toxins that could lead to sz. The stuff

we used was not lacto-based.

Saro

rhmtce@... wrote:

> Hi All

> We started giving Mike acidophilis last week (tues) to fight what

> seems like a longstanding yeast problem. He was ok tues and had a few

> problems (seizures) on wed but thursday and friday were awful-

> seizures of every kind - stares. drops, myoclonics, and generalized

> seizure on thurs am. We only gave two capsules- tues and wed then

> stopped when things started to fall apart. Before acid. we were having

>

> a pretty good streak with just a couple of tiny myoclonics/day. My

> question is - has anyone seen this type of reaction? Could it be his

> body responding to the different bacteria? Is it a reaction to some

> type of toxin given off by the dying yeast. Mike is extremely

> sensitive now to any dairy product- even a drop of milk leads to

> seizure. This acid. says " lactic culture- freeze dried " . Does this

> mean it was made from dairy culture? Can this be the problem? Today is

>

> a better day however now his tongue is all broken out in white

> craters. Any Acidophilis experts out there with ideas?

> Faye

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Faye:

Sorry I missed this one. I am trying to remember how long it took for the

die off to occur but it was between 7-10 days. looked horrible-pale,

unwell, but he did not have any seizures. He had already become seizure

free. But it ended quickly-may-be 2 days or so. I cannot advise you to

keep up since his seizures increased. I am glad I did it-he looks

great-feels great.

May-be you have already killed off some yeast and the next time you try it

will not be so difficult. or may-be you could go slower (a smaller dose)

Good Luck and I hope you guys are doing well-have you stopped the diet ?

You should become a Keto Chef-may-be write a cook-book one day when you find

yourself bored:-)

Hugs

Diane

Need advice on acidophilis

> > Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 19:31:33 -0000

> >

> > Hi All

> > We started giving Mike acidophilis last week (tues) to fight what

> > seems like a longstanding yeast problem. He was ok tues and had a few

> > problems (seizures) on wed but thursday and friday were awful-

> > seizures of every kind - stares. drops, myoclonics, and generalized

> > seizure on thurs am. We only gave two capsules- tues and wed then

> > stopped when things started to fall apart. Before acid. we were having

> > a pretty good streak with just a couple of tiny myoclonics/day. My

> > question is - has anyone seen this type of reaction? Could it be his

> > body responding to the different bacteria? Is it a reaction to some

> > type of toxin given off by the dying yeast. Mike is extremely

> > sensitive now to any dairy product- even a drop of milk leads to

> > seizure. This acid. says " lactic culture- freeze dried " . Does this

> > mean it was made from dairy culture? Can this be the problem? Today is

> > a better day however now his tongue is all broken out in white

> > craters. Any Acidophilis experts out there with ideas?

> > Faye

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

> >

> > " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

resort! "

> >

> > List is for parent to parent support only.

> > It is important to get medical advice from a

professional keto team!

> > Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> > Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

> >

> >

> > " I know God never gives us more than we can handle. .

..I just

> > wish he didn't trust me so much. " Mother Theresa

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Dianne

Keep waiting for those bored days but I fear I will be so old and decrepit by

the time i

get bored that I won't be able to hold a pen.

Thanks for the advice re acidoph. Did you use Nature's sunshine? I will stop

until things

settle alot before trying again.

Yes we are off the diet for now. Mike was having a real hard time with wild

blood sugar

fluctuations that we were totally unable to control. For fear of inducing a

diabetic

state we have stopped the diet until alot of endoerine stuff can be completed.

We are

still on a very strict diet- higher protein/ no sugar /no dairy- basically meat

and

veggies and a bit of rice. He is tolerating it well and having no more seizures

than

when keto- go figure. Not sure how long it will last but it sure is nice to put

those

scales in the cupboard for a while.

Faye

Diane Wall wrote:

> Dear Faye:

>

> Sorry I missed this one. I am trying to remember how long it took for the

> die off to occur but it was between 7-10 days. looked horrible-pale,

> unwell, but he did not have any seizures. He had already become seizure

> free. But it ended quickly-may-be 2 days or so. I cannot advise you to

> keep up since his seizures increased. I am glad I did it-he looks

> great-feels great.

>

> May-be you have already killed off some yeast and the next time you try it

> will not be so difficult. or may-be you could go slower (a smaller dose)

>

> Good Luck and I hope you guys are doing well-have you stopped the diet ?

>

> You should become a Keto Chef-may-be write a cook-book one day when you find

> yourself bored:-)

>

> Hugs

> Diane

> Need advice on acidophilis

> > > Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 19:31:33 -0000

> > >

> > > Hi All

> > > We started giving Mike acidophilis last week (tues) to fight what

> > > seems like a longstanding yeast problem. He was ok tues and had a few

> > > problems (seizures) on wed but thursday and friday were awful-

> > > seizures of every kind - stares. drops, myoclonics, and generalized

> > > seizure on thurs am. We only gave two capsules- tues and wed then

> > > stopped when things started to fall apart. Before acid. we were having

> > > a pretty good streak with just a couple of tiny myoclonics/day. My

> > > question is - has anyone seen this type of reaction? Could it be his

> > > body responding to the different bacteria? Is it a reaction to some

> > > type of toxin given off by the dying yeast. Mike is extremely

> > > sensitive now to any dairy product- even a drop of milk leads to

> > > seizure. This acid. says " lactic culture- freeze dried " . Does this

> > > mean it was made from dairy culture? Can this be the problem? Today is

> > > a better day however now his tongue is all broken out in white

> > > craters. Any Acidophilis experts out there with ideas?

> > > Faye

> > >

> > > _________________________________________________________________

> > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

> > >

> > > " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

> resort! "

> > >

> > > List is for parent to parent support only.

> > > It is important to get medical advice from a

> professional keto team!

> > > Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> > > Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

> > >

> > >

> > > " I know God never gives us more than we can handle. .

> .I just

> > > wish he didn't trust me so much. " Mother Theresa

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Dianne

Keep waiting for those bored days but I fear I will be so old and decrepit by

the time i

get bored that I won't be able to hold a pen.

Thanks for the advice re acidoph. Did you use Nature's sunshine? I will stop

until things

settle alot before trying again.

Yes we are off the diet for now. Mike was having a real hard time with wild

blood sugar

fluctuations that we were totally unable to control. For fear of inducing a

diabetic

state we have stopped the diet until alot of endoerine stuff can be completed.

We are

still on a very strict diet- higher protein/ no sugar /no dairy- basically meat

and

veggies and a bit of rice. He is tolerating it well and having no more seizures

than

when keto- go figure. Not sure how long it will last but it sure is nice to put

those

scales in the cupboard for a while.

Faye

Diane Wall wrote:

> Dear Faye:

>

> Sorry I missed this one. I am trying to remember how long it took for the

> die off to occur but it was between 7-10 days. looked horrible-pale,

> unwell, but he did not have any seizures. He had already become seizure

> free. But it ended quickly-may-be 2 days or so. I cannot advise you to

> keep up since his seizures increased. I am glad I did it-he looks

> great-feels great.

>

> May-be you have already killed off some yeast and the next time you try it

> will not be so difficult. or may-be you could go slower (a smaller dose)

>

> Good Luck and I hope you guys are doing well-have you stopped the diet ?

>

> You should become a Keto Chef-may-be write a cook-book one day when you find

> yourself bored:-)

>

> Hugs

> Diane

> Need advice on acidophilis

> > > Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 19:31:33 -0000

> > >

> > > Hi All

> > > We started giving Mike acidophilis last week (tues) to fight what

> > > seems like a longstanding yeast problem. He was ok tues and had a few

> > > problems (seizures) on wed but thursday and friday were awful-

> > > seizures of every kind - stares. drops, myoclonics, and generalized

> > > seizure on thurs am. We only gave two capsules- tues and wed then

> > > stopped when things started to fall apart. Before acid. we were having

> > > a pretty good streak with just a couple of tiny myoclonics/day. My

> > > question is - has anyone seen this type of reaction? Could it be his

> > > body responding to the different bacteria? Is it a reaction to some

> > > type of toxin given off by the dying yeast. Mike is extremely

> > > sensitive now to any dairy product- even a drop of milk leads to

> > > seizure. This acid. says " lactic culture- freeze dried " . Does this

> > > mean it was made from dairy culture? Can this be the problem? Today is

> > > a better day however now his tongue is all broken out in white

> > > craters. Any Acidophilis experts out there with ideas?

> > > Faye

> > >

> > > _________________________________________________________________

> > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

> > >

> > > " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

> resort! "

> > >

> > > List is for parent to parent support only.

> > > It is important to get medical advice from a

> professional keto team!

> > > Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> > > Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

> > >

> > >

> > > " I know God never gives us more than we can handle. .

> .I just

> > > wish he didn't trust me so much. " Mother Theresa

> > >

> > >

> > >