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[Guest guest]

Hi Pam

Welcome to the group - I'm glad you found us. We may not be able to answer

ALL your questions, but this group will sure give it a try.

As for pain in the days following an attack - every body is different so it's

hard to say what's " normal " . I've never experienced that, but I think others

have written about it. Same thing with pain during a flush - I haven't had

it, but a couple of people have written about it. My attacks were pretty

mild, too, in comparison to what others have gone through, so once other

people respond to your post you'll get a more balanced view of things. It

does seem that most who have written about their experiences have not

mentioned pain, though. Have you looked through the testimonials or the

archives yet? You'll find a lot of personal experiences there - a great

resource for information. (But still feel free to ask questions because the

discussion is always good out here.)

It's great that you have a doctor who is willing to look at dietary changes

as an option rather than rushing right to the idea of surgery. I'm hoping

that he talked to you (or you're already knowledgeable) about 'good fat vs

bad fat'. In other words - the goal isn't to just eliminate as much fat as

possible from your diet, because the body does have a need for the 'good

fats'. There is someone on this list who tried a no-fat diet for a while

and experienced other problems because of it. If I can find his post about

fats I will repost it.

One of the great things about doing this flush is that it does wonders for

your liver and that can help improve your body's condition in SO many ways.

So you really don't have anything to lose by trying it.

I hope we can be of support to you.

in health,

rachel~

In a message dated 3/21/02 10:11:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

puddin819@... writes:

> Hello, I just had a gallbladder attack this weekend. The worst i've

> ever had. Belly is still a lil sore is this normal for it to be sore,

> it's been 5 days since the attack?

> Dr wants me to go on a low fat diet to try and control it and lose

> weight. SO far I'm not doing to bad, really kinda scared to eat

> anything that I think might bring that pain back. When you do a flush

> does it cause pain like an attack does?

> Glad your here to answer any concerns I might have. Thanks, Pam

>

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it and ignorance may deride

it, but in the end there it is. " Winston Churchill

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I'm just guessing...but I'd suspect you might have passed a stone (s) and that

is why you're still sore. Another guess would be that your GB is slightly

inflamed. It's rare, IMO, that the liver cleanse would cause you to have any

pain. If you read the archives, you'll find story after story of people doing

the liver cleanse, painlessly passing hundreds of stones (me included-although I

no longer have my GB). The low fat diet is not a good idea, and actually

encourages your body to make more stones. Instead, eat fats that are good for

you, like organic olive oil, and avoid processed fats. However, because you are

having trouble eating fat at all, I hope you'll give the liver cleanse a try.

Along with the support you'll get here, read all that's on the curezone

website....there's a wealth of information there.

Adrienne

puddin819 <puddin819@...> wrote: Hello, I just had a gallbladder attack

this weekend. The worst i've

ever had. Belly is still a lil sore is this normal for it to be sore,

it's been 5 days since the attack?

Dr wants me to go on a low fat diet to try and control it and lose

weight. SO far I'm not doing to bad, really kinda scared to eat

anything that I think might bring that pain back. When you do a flush

does it cause pain like an attack does?

Glad your here to answer any concerns I might have. Thanks, Pam

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

Welcome to the group. You've found the right place to start. I felt

exactly like you when I found this group in Dec. 2001. I'd been

having colic gb attacks for around 6 months prior. ER in Dec. 2001

revieled a 1 cm stone in my gallbladder. I went on a low-fat diet to

control the pain. I did a lot better with the pain but wanted to get

that stone out. I've done 8 Dr. Hulga Liver/GB cleanses. I've

lost 10 lbs (170lbs - 160lbs) and have passed a ton of sludge, grainy

sandy stuff, globs of cholesterol, stones, gunk, etc. The flush is

painless because of the Epsom salts and oil drink. One time I felt a

little pain for only 20 minutes as a stone was passing out the ducts.

Some people have felt pain, and even had an attack, but that is very

rare. It's worth a try anyway. I've never felt any kind of pain like

the attacks after eating a heavy, dry, fatty meal. Eating a pizza

would probably be worse than oiling up your body with a cleanse.

Read the testamonies, pics, and information at http://www.curezone.com

The site is packed with information. It's a good place to start for

information.

By the way, do you have an ultrasound scan to determine what it is

you are up against? How many stones? How big?

Good luck with your health.

Barry.

> Hello, I just had a gallbladder attack this weekend. The worst i've

> ever had. Belly is still a lil sore is this normal for it to be

sore,

> it's been 5 days since the attack?

> Dr wants me to go on a low fat diet to try and control it and lose

> weight. SO far I'm not doing to bad, really kinda scared to eat

> anything that I think might bring that pain back. When you do a

flush

> does it cause pain like an attack does?

> Glad your here to answer any concerns I might have. Thanks, Pam

[Guest guest]

>>>>>>>Hello, I just had a gallbladder attack this weekend. The worst i've

ever had. Belly is still a lil sore is this normal for it to be sore,

it's been 5 days since the attack?

Dr wants me to go on a low fat diet to try and control it and lose

weight. SO far I'm not doing to bad, really kinda scared to eat

anything that I think might bring that pain back. When you do a flush

does it cause pain like an attack does?

Glad your here to answer any concerns I might have. Thanks, Pam>>>>>>>

Pam;

Sorry, to hear you're having to deal with the pain. I can certainly

appreciate just what you're talking about when you deal with this type of

pain as I too had to deal with it with a total of four trips to the hospital

to deal with the worst of my attacks. Those were the ones where five

roxicets wouldn't get the pain to a manageable level.

There is a lot to say for a low fat diet in controlling the pain and getting

rid of the gallstones. However, the problem that pops up is understanding

what it happening as one exists on a low fat diet, which is a word I don't

like to use. I like to say that a person simply starts eating the right

foods, at the right times, and doesn't restrict the body from being

satisfied with a comfortable full feeling. Fats are a means for flavor and

for the liver's health. When it is healthy and being fed the right types of

fats, Essential Fats, it will help burn or remove the bad fat that has been

stored in the body.

The fear of eating the wrong food can virtually stop you from eating all

fats, which is just what happened to me in August of '99' after I'd had

another of the familiar wakeup pain attacks from my gallbladder after a

fatty meal, around six hours previous to the attack. I, in my lack of

understanding the good fats and bad fats, avoided all fats to my liver's

detriment. Yes, I'm the one that posted regarding the avoiding of all fats.

The last attack I suffered, unlike the night time wake me up attacks,

occurred during the day, in October of '99', just after I'd eaten a fat free

dinner and was on my way home from work. It was the worst of all the attacks

I'd dealt with in the previous months. Of all the days for this to happen, a

Friday, it just made things worst because I didn't even get pain medication

until after having been at the hospital for over an hour and a half because

of the load of people being dealt with there. It really is amazing how many

positions you can find to lay on a gurney, or the floor, I was one hurting

puppy but the attack was not because of a gall or liver stone. It was a

liver attack because I'd avoided ALL fats and my liver was in serious

trouble.

After this ordeal was over and I found out I no longer had the " A stone " , I

a lot of research regarding the liver and found The Liver Cleansing Diet by

Dr. Cabot. After reading her book I had a total turnaround in my

liver's condition and the number and size of stones my body produces. I have

not had another attack since that October attack, but however, I have had

warnings that I was being a bad boy, but at least I didn't have to take any

pain medication for that level of notice to " Don't do that again, or else! " .

The trick to reducing the pain, and the stones, is to start getting the

liver to a point of producing the right type of cholesterol. This is done by

eating foods that contain Essential Fatty Acids, and foods that are high in

soluble and insoluble fiber. This is a synergetic operation as the soluble

fiber will provide a medium by which the bile of which contains the

cholesterol will be able to be transported out of the body. Soluble fiber is

a gel like fiber so the bile is then absorbed by this fiber gel much like a

sponge will absorb water or other liquids. The insoluble fiber just acts as

a medium for the soluble fiber to help move it along in the intestinal

track. The time in which the transport takes place is also important, that

is one reason why a high fiber diet is so desirable . The higher fiber diet

will move the fecal matter out of the body much quicker. This is desirable

because if given time to sit in the colon area the bile will be reabsorbed

by the body from the feces thereby defeating the purpose of having taken in

the Essential Fatty Acids for the liver's and the rest of the body's good.

A castor oil pack will certainly sooth the area of the liver and the

gallbladder, as well as the pancreas and the intestines, and at the same

time the liver will obtain Essential Fatty Acids because of the way the skin

can absorb nutrition, or poisons, from things of which it comes into

contact. If someone is constipated this will also help to moisturize the dry

fecal matter and help in its elimination too.

There are also some foods that are very good for the liver and gallbladder

but during the time of healing my be just too much of a stimulator for these

organs and may lead to the feeling of an attack. In my case I found pecans,

cabbage, and beets to be very strong stimulants and had to back off from

eating them until things were better. Things are better for me now as last

night I had sauerkraut, cabbage and corned beef for dinner and felt great

from that and have had no ill effects. I don't have too much trouble eating

these types of foods now but it did take at least a year or more before I

really could do so.

Eating the right foods can't really be called dieting when you can eat until

you are satisfied and still lose weight as well as get rid of gallstones. It

really isn't all that hard, once there is an understanding of just what one

can eat, and they don't get into the " Oh, well " factor. The " Oh, well "

factor is that point of thinking things are better now and just maybe I can

get away with eating this or that, this one time. That just leads to the

next, and then the next, until one receives that ultimate reminder from the

gut. I know, I've been there, done that and still battle with it. So, I can

appreciate the desire to be like " NORMAL " people. However, those normal

people are having their gallbladders removed before getting a chance to know

of some other way to keep their organs intact while still eating like they

did before they had their organ removed.

All of us on this list wish you the best in dealing with this ailment.

Dale

[Guest guest]

What are you taking LDN for Roni? Are you starting on a low dose and working

your way up? That can help with sleep issues as your body will get used to it

slowly.

Some people have no sleep disturbances but if you do they dont usually last

very long. To know if it`s " working " depends on whats wrong with you.

My husband takes his for MS and after four years we know it`s working as his MS

has not progressed. He will take it for the rest of his life.

People with MS (for example) know they need to give it up to a year to notice if

they have any disease progression.

Good luck!