Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 I couldn't help but read along and notice there was a simular symptom MSer's have which is depression. My son was so depressed he was taking antidepressants which I automatically told him to stop and try some Amino acids D & L-Phenylalanine which is ueded for pain control or as an anti-depressant. He takes 1000-4000mgs a day. I asked him how do you feel when he took 2000mg in the morning cause he was so depressed and all the hospitals just seem to drug you up with there meds, and he said he felt more clear minded. Which was a plus+, anything to help out with this depression as it could take over your mood and progression in trying to have a positive focus of mind. Anyone taking LDN I'm looking toward this instead of Crab medicine for my son. Anybody? Val Subject: zinc, depression, soy To: mscured Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 1:13 AM Janet: Your question about soy got me researching. We all know BBD says no Soy, but I thought I'd look into it further. Here are my thoughts, some web-thoughts, and some sites for you to take a look at. After what I've read, I am firmly convinced that not only should MSer's not eat soy, but NO HUMAN should eat soy or its isolates. I believe we've been sold a " bill of goods " about soy. If you read these sites, you'll be just as scared as I am! First, almost all soy is Genetically Modified. Second, soy tends to suppress thyroid function and alot of MSer's suffer from low thyroid to begin with. Third, I don't believe soy should even be for human consumption. I know the Japanese eat soy, but alot of their soy is fermented (natto,miso, for example) which changes soy. Fourth, and most important, soy contains lectins which promote auto-immunity. I KNOW how you feel about stopping something that helps with depression, even if that something isn't good for you. Believe me, I know. If it helps you, who am I to say do something different? I just want everyone to be as well-informed as we can be. Peace and health, Beverly " Both cereal grains and legumes contain glycoproteins called lectins which bind intestinal epithelial cells and change the permeability characteristics of these intestinal cells (4,5). Not only do these lectins cause an increase = of the translocation of gut bacteria to the peripheracy, they cause an increased overgrowth of gut bacteria as well as a change in the gut flora (4,5). Further, cereal and legume derived lectins (WGA, PHA respectively) cause increased expression of intracellular adhesion molecules (ICAM) in lymphocytes (6) which allow bacterial/immune complexes to move from gut to the affected tissue. Additionally, cereal and legume lectins increase lymphocytic expression of common inflammatory cytokines such as tumor necrosis factor alpha (TNFa), interleukin 1 (IL-1) and IL-6 which are known promoters of autoimmune disease. " http://www.soyonlin eservice. co.nz/ http://www.greenliv ingonline. com/HealthNutrit ion/dangers- of-soy/ http://www.westonap rice.org/ soy/index. html http://www.mercola. com/article/ soy/index. htm > Being of menopausal age I've been taking Soy Isoflavones which help mood swings and depression loads. I know on the BBD we shouldn't have soy but I feel the benefits of these tablets far outweigh any potential soy problems. I'd imagine there isn't much soy left once these tablets are made but could be wrong. I'd love to come off them but don't want to risk depression again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Hi Val. Just about everybody on this list takes LDN! Since this group focuses on alternative medicine, very few take the CRABs. There is a lot of information on LDN in the archives, files and links. Anyone taking LDN I'm looking toward this instead of Crab medicine for my son. Anybody? > > Val > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Hi Val, I have been on LDN for 8 months for benign MS. Although the main purpose of LDN is to halt or stop progression, most users enjoy the extra benefit of symptom improvement. Personally, I have increased strength and vitality, better balance and sleep more and better than ever. Just a capsule every night and no side effects. As to the psychological aspect, I was feeling OK to begin with and nothing has changed, so I don't have any personal experience. But I have been reading several posts in lowdosenaltrexone for one year now and there are persons who swear by it. There are lots of testimonials about clearer mind, better mental health and a general sense of well-being. Side effects are usually temporary, if any. Every person is different, but I believe every MS'er should give LDN a try, coupled with appropriate nutrition and supplements. Hope this helps. Good luck, Katerina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Thanks for all the soy info Beverly. I was kinda hoping there wasn't much soy left in the isoflavone tablets and am now looking at what other plants have natural HRT. My husband is in the kitchen grinding flax seeds now! (Thanks .) I have flax seeds sprinkled on salad and in home-made muesli but had never ground it before. Any idea how much should one aim at to help depression/mood swings? Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: Beverly Janet: Your question about soy got me researching. We all know BBD says no Soy, I believe we've been sold a " bill of goods " about soy. If you read these sites, you'll be just as scared as I am! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 I truly appreciate everyone's response and have already called for an appointment with one of the Doctors that I have just contacted with the help of this group, you all are great, thanks so much. And thanks to Dudley dud who I laugh as soon as someone say's I'm new to the group, I see his post that leads them to his main sight to learn about LDN, that's been so helpful, that's exactly what I was doing was reading his post. Again Thanks to all. Val Subject: Re: zinc, depression, soy To: mscured Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:45 PM Hi Val, I have been on LDN for 8 months for benign MS. Although the main purpose of LDN is to halt or stop progression, most users enjoy the extra benefit of symptom improvement. Personally, I have increased strength and vitality, better balance and sleep more and better than ever. Just a capsule every night and no side effects. As to the psychological aspect, I was feeling OK to begin with and nothing has changed, so I don't have any personal experience. But I have been reading several posts in lowdosenaltrexone@ yahoogroups. com for one year now and there are persons who swear by it. There are lots of testimonials about clearer mind, better mental health and a general sense of well-being. Side effects are usually temporary, if any. Every person is different, but I believe every MS'er should give LDN a try, coupled with appropriate nutrition and supplements. Hope this helps. Good luck, Katerina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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