Re: supplements

[Guest guest]

I'm of the mind that if you get most of your carbs from veggies, and eat a

wide range of them, that additional supplements aren't necessary.

Personally, I take a multi-vitamin for insurance and use half-salt for some

added potassium.

I think it all depends on the person though.

Kirstie

[Guest guest]

I'm of the mind that if you get most of your carbs from veggies, and eat a

wide range of them, that additional supplements aren't necessary.

Personally, I take a multi-vitamin for insurance and use half-salt for some

added potassium.

I think it all depends on the person though.

Kirstie

[Guest guest]

I'm of the mind that if you get most of your carbs from veggies, and eat a

wide range of them, that additional supplements aren't necessary.

Personally, I take a multi-vitamin for insurance and use half-salt for some

added potassium.

I think it all depends on the person though.

Kirstie

[Guest guest]

I personally need potassium, calcium, mag, zinc, a

daily all in one and I also use no salt and half

salt....I would say you've never experienced the

wonderful joy of lack of potassium cramps......

AnnMarie

--- Jerome Tan wrote:

> Hi there,

>

> Do we need supplements when we are on low carbs

> diet? I don't think so

> because most of the vitamins and minerals that are

> needed can be found on

> foods high in protein like eggs and meats.

>

> Probably the only thing we need is Vitamin C.

>

> regards/

> Jerome Tan

> jtan@...

> Mobile: +639175277928

>

>

>

>

=====

AnnMarie

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[Guest guest]

I personally need potassium, calcium, mag, zinc, a

daily all in one and I also use no salt and half

salt....I would say you've never experienced the

wonderful joy of lack of potassium cramps......

AnnMarie

--- Jerome Tan wrote:

> Hi there,

>

> Do we need supplements when we are on low carbs

> diet? I don't think so

> because most of the vitamins and minerals that are

> needed can be found on

> foods high in protein like eggs and meats.

>

> Probably the only thing we need is Vitamin C.

>

> regards/

> Jerome Tan

> jtan@...

> Mobile: +639175277928

>

>

>

>

=====

AnnMarie

The Stillman list: /group/Stillman

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

We, too, struggled with getting CoQ10 into our son. Try Kirkman's brand of the 25mg, chewable. They are smaller and may be more manageable. The taste is not bad, I believe it is the texture. Our son thinks he is getting less b/c it is smaller, at least for now, he seems to believe that.

Build up to 200, which is 8 of those 25mg throughout the day. Don't expect your child to take all of them right away. Also, perhaps begin with a "first, then..." and he gets something really great for taking them, such as a starburst or something sweet. You can gradually fade out the reinforcer.

And, you take it too in front of your child. It is good for all of us and they see us doing the same things. We also never hide that it may not taste or feel good but it helps him to talk more, think clearer and focus and be happier. In his language of course. I wish I could say the same for the fish oil! No matter what I think of, I cannot fathom getting that down for myself, but he does it great. He requests that nasty oil over his vitamins!

good luck

Tina

supplements

I am beginning the confusing world of supps.........I was wondering if any of your kids are taking Co Q 10. If so, do you have a favorite brand that tastes OK? What dose (the doc said 200mg, but it seemed high? He's 6) Im trying to find one my son will take (VERY sensitive taste). Just bought a liquid form, which he can taste in his OJ! Trial and error is costing a fortune so I thought Id ask for your input! Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

I would try Kirkmans coQ10 chewable in smaller dosis,, and give him

the pills in different hours of the day, if they are smaller is

better than trying to give him the full dose at ones.

Also you can check this article how to give supplements to our kids.

I find it very helpful...

GETTING CHILDREN TO TAKE SUPPLEMENTS

Starting nutritional supplement therapy with children can be very

stressful for parents. Children with developmental disabilities (such

as ADD/HD, Autism, Sensory Integration Dysfunction, etc) may be

required by physicians to take anywhere from 6 to 20 different

nutritional supplements each day. This can be overwhelming to

parents, especially when their children do not swallow pills and

strongly resist being forced to consume anything that is not of their

choosing.

Many parents ask me about products in chewable or liquid form.

Although there are a few good liquid and/or chewable supplement

products available that are appropriate for kids with autism/special

needs, they can be expensive and children can still object to the

taste.

Below are some suggestions that have been tried and true to help

overcome the problem of running away, clenched teeth, and spitting

back out what is put into their mouths. Whether the supplements you

are giving are in capsule, liquid, or chewable form, following these

six steps should help with getting your child to comply.

1. Take a No-Nonsense Approach. Give supplements with the same level

of intensity that you use to give them a life-saving medication. Your

child needs these supplements to support their brain, immune system

and overall nutritional status. Your child can sense when you mean

business and you cannot allow them to think that taking their

supplements is optional.

2. Do not mix into food or drink and pretend that it's not there!

This only works if you are adding only one or two tasteless

supplements. Even if they can't taste it, they may choose not to

finish the drink or food that it's mixed in and the child is not

getting everything they need. As you add more needed supplements to

their regimen, hiding them in food will eventually backfire. The last

thing we want children who are picky eaters to do is to stop eating

because they are suspicious of what may have been added to their food.

3. Choose the Best Method for your Child to Administer Supplements.

You need to take into effect the sensory/swallowing issues that your

child has. Does your child do better with liquids or semi-solids? The

two most common mediums in which to mix supplements are fruit purees

or liquids.

Fruit purees/baby food: I chose baby food as a way to get supplements

into my child because he loved the fruit purees as a baby –

especially the peaches. The tartness of the peaches is especially

good because it masks the taste of a lot of supplements – especially

the B vitamins. I sometime rotated with pears and applesauce as well.

I would recommend using organic baby food or making your own because

of pesticide residues in these foods. Open up each capsule and mix in

into the fruit puree of choice (1-2 tbsp). Add one drop of stevia to

sweeten and additionally mask the supplement taste, if needed.

Liquids: For children who have a problem with the taste and texture

of fruit purees, use a tart or strong juice and pour a small amount

(1-2 tbsp) into a bowl. Open up and empty supplement capsules into

the bowl and mix well with your finger to dissolve as much as

possible. While the mixture is still swirling, use a large syringe to

suck up the supplement mixture. If possible, use only enough liquid

to fill one syringe, two at most. Some examples of juices/liquids

that parents

are using to mix supplements in include: pear, pineapple, orange,

grape, Sunny Delight, water, or a small amount of favorite soda. It

is recommended that you only use 1-2 tablespoons of liquid and only

use the liquid of choice for giving supplements, not for regular

drinks in order to avoid confusion.

Remember that the choice of liquids or purees used should be based

upon your child's issues which need to take into consideration any

allergies, phenol sensitivities, and sensitivity to sugar. Adding one

drop of liquid stevia (Wisdom Natural brand recommended) can add

additional sweetness (without feeding yeast) to further mask the

taste of supplements.

4. Use the Concept of " First – Then. " This is a critical concept to

ensure compliance. If your child is in an ABA program, this would be

a good place to learn this concept. Otherwise, parents can reinforce

this concept by repeating it in everyday life experiences. (i.e.;

first we turn on the water, then we wash our hands). Even a very

young child can learn this concept if it's repeated enough. Once this

concept is understood, you need to consistently use it enforce

compliance. Next, choose a favorite activity (eating the next meal,

watching video/TV, favorite toy, blanket, etc), for the purpose of

withholding it until or AFTER the child takes the supplements

successfully.

For example: " , do you want to (eat breakfast)? FIRST you must

take your (vitamins, medicines, or any name you want to call it that

you use every time) BEFORE you can (eat breakfast). Even today, if my

son decides to delay or give me trouble with taking his supplements,

I turn off the TV and tell him that it stays off until the

supplements are swallowed.

It is important to be firm and never waiver on this, because it will

ensure that success will come quickly.

5. Use Rewards to Associate Good with the Bad.. This comes in handy

when a child needs extra reinforcement. Another useful approach to

further ensure compliance is to give a reward, which only comes

immediately after the child successfully taking the supplements.

ALWAYS give lots of praise and hugs as well as one good tasting

reward that they can associate with taking yucky supplements. I have

used good tasting chewable vitamin C tablets (only buffered C

recommended) because more vitamin C is always good for the child, and

it may taste somewhat like " candy " to them. Other options could

include Juice Plus gummies, a small piece of Health Food Store (HFS)

fruit leather or gummy bear, or even a very small drink of a favorite

soda. Remember that it is important to not go overboard and load your

child up with sugar (fruit sugar included), which can aggravate or

cause yeast overgrowth.

6. Be consistent and firm. If you are firm and do not give in to the

conditions you set down for your child, most children will start to

comply within 2-3 days because they know that they cannot win the

battle. Wait them out for as long as you need to, and when they

FINALLY give in and take the supplements, quickly give them praise,

the preferred activity and the small reward that is given every time

they successfully take their supplements. This positive reinforcement

will encourage them to be more willing next time.

[Guest guest]

I would try Kirkmans coQ10 chewable in smaller dosis,, and give him

the pills in different hours of the day, if they are smaller is

better than trying to give him the full dose at ones.

Also you can check this article how to give supplements to our kids.

I find it very helpful...

GETTING CHILDREN TO TAKE SUPPLEMENTS

Starting nutritional supplement therapy with children can be very

stressful for parents. Children with developmental disabilities (such

as ADD/HD, Autism, Sensory Integration Dysfunction, etc) may be

required by physicians to take anywhere from 6 to 20 different

nutritional supplements each day. This can be overwhelming to

parents, especially when their children do not swallow pills and

strongly resist being forced to consume anything that is not of their

choosing.

Many parents ask me about products in chewable or liquid form.

Although there are a few good liquid and/or chewable supplement

products available that are appropriate for kids with autism/special

needs, they can be expensive and children can still object to the

taste.

Below are some suggestions that have been tried and true to help

overcome the problem of running away, clenched teeth, and spitting

back out what is put into their mouths. Whether the supplements you

are giving are in capsule, liquid, or chewable form, following these

six steps should help with getting your child to comply.

1. Take a No-Nonsense Approach. Give supplements with the same level

of intensity that you use to give them a life-saving medication. Your

child needs these supplements to support their brain, immune system

and overall nutritional status. Your child can sense when you mean

business and you cannot allow them to think that taking their

supplements is optional.

2. Do not mix into food or drink and pretend that it's not there!

This only works if you are adding only one or two tasteless

supplements. Even if they can't taste it, they may choose not to

finish the drink or food that it's mixed in and the child is not

getting everything they need. As you add more needed supplements to

their regimen, hiding them in food will eventually backfire. The last

thing we want children who are picky eaters to do is to stop eating

because they are suspicious of what may have been added to their food.

3. Choose the Best Method for your Child to Administer Supplements.

You need to take into effect the sensory/swallowing issues that your

child has. Does your child do better with liquids or semi-solids? The

two most common mediums in which to mix supplements are fruit purees

or liquids.

Fruit purees/baby food: I chose baby food as a way to get supplements

into my child because he loved the fruit purees as a baby –

especially the peaches. The tartness of the peaches is especially

good because it masks the taste of a lot of supplements – especially

the B vitamins. I sometime rotated with pears and applesauce as well.

I would recommend using organic baby food or making your own because

of pesticide residues in these foods. Open up each capsule and mix in

into the fruit puree of choice (1-2 tbsp). Add one drop of stevia to

sweeten and additionally mask the supplement taste, if needed.

Liquids: For children who have a problem with the taste and texture

of fruit purees, use a tart or strong juice and pour a small amount

(1-2 tbsp) into a bowl. Open up and empty supplement capsules into

the bowl and mix well with your finger to dissolve as much as

possible. While the mixture is still swirling, use a large syringe to

suck up the supplement mixture. If possible, use only enough liquid

to fill one syringe, two at most. Some examples of juices/liquids

that parents

are using to mix supplements in include: pear, pineapple, orange,

grape, Sunny Delight, water, or a small amount of favorite soda. It

is recommended that you only use 1-2 tablespoons of liquid and only

use the liquid of choice for giving supplements, not for regular

drinks in order to avoid confusion.

Remember that the choice of liquids or purees used should be based

upon your child's issues which need to take into consideration any

allergies, phenol sensitivities, and sensitivity to sugar. Adding one

drop of liquid stevia (Wisdom Natural brand recommended) can add

additional sweetness (without feeding yeast) to further mask the

taste of supplements.

4. Use the Concept of " First – Then. " This is a critical concept to

ensure compliance. If your child is in an ABA program, this would be

a good place to learn this concept. Otherwise, parents can reinforce

this concept by repeating it in everyday life experiences. (i.e.;

first we turn on the water, then we wash our hands). Even a very

young child can learn this concept if it's repeated enough. Once this

concept is understood, you need to consistently use it enforce

compliance. Next, choose a favorite activity (eating the next meal,

watching video/TV, favorite toy, blanket, etc), for the purpose of

withholding it until or AFTER the child takes the supplements

successfully.

For example: " , do you want to (eat breakfast)? FIRST you must

take your (vitamins, medicines, or any name you want to call it that

you use every time) BEFORE you can (eat breakfast). Even today, if my

son decides to delay or give me trouble with taking his supplements,

I turn off the TV and tell him that it stays off until the

supplements are swallowed.

It is important to be firm and never waiver on this, because it will

ensure that success will come quickly.

5. Use Rewards to Associate Good with the Bad.. This comes in handy

when a child needs extra reinforcement. Another useful approach to

further ensure compliance is to give a reward, which only comes

immediately after the child successfully taking the supplements.

ALWAYS give lots of praise and hugs as well as one good tasting

reward that they can associate with taking yucky supplements. I have

used good tasting chewable vitamin C tablets (only buffered C

recommended) because more vitamin C is always good for the child, and

it may taste somewhat like " candy " to them. Other options could

include Juice Plus gummies, a small piece of Health Food Store (HFS)

fruit leather or gummy bear, or even a very small drink of a favorite

soda. Remember that it is important to not go overboard and load your

child up with sugar (fruit sugar included), which can aggravate or

cause yeast overgrowth.

6. Be consistent and firm. If you are firm and do not give in to the

conditions you set down for your child, most children will start to

comply within 2-3 days because they know that they cannot win the

battle. Wait them out for as long as you need to, and when they

FINALLY give in and take the supplements, quickly give them praise,

the preferred activity and the small reward that is given every time

they successfully take their supplements. This positive reinforcement

will encourage them to be more willing next time.

[Guest guest]

Hi Katerina,

You can find a list of supplements I take at

http://tinyurl.com/grpm9

I take them daily with no breaks.

Hope that helps!

Sincerely,

Dudley Delany

http://profiles.yahoo.com/dudley_delany

[Guest guest]

The body does need a rest. It would be like keep running your car with no break,

it needs to cool down. What I suggest for people when they are on a herbal

protocol is to give 1 days break and some 2 days depending of what your doing.

Does the person you see have you cleansing out your organs?

If you would like to read the start of my journey it is at www.ginakopera.com

Have a Happy and Healthy Day,

Kopera M.H.

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supplements

Hello everybody,

I have been part of this group for some time now and I appreciate the help it

offers.

I have had MS for 15 years now, fortunatelly of benign type. I never used

traditional drugs and I have been able to manage my health through homeopathy,

diet, exercise, supplements and, lately, LDN. My problems are minimal but this

doesn't mean I don't care to study, search and try new alternative methods. I

live in Greece, where alternative treatments are not common practice, let alone

what it was like 15 years ago! Only lately have I managed to find an alternative

doctor tustworthy enough.

I have some questions and I would appreciate any input about them.

I have a question concerning supplements. Many MS'ers in several alternative

forums say that we should take our supplements every day, while my new doctor

and others think that we should stop taking them for some time (e.g some

days/month or 1-2 days/week) in order to let the organism get some rest and

process the substances it has already taken. Every time I have stoped my

supplements for more than one week, I have felt weak. I wonder what I should

do. I take liquid cod liver oil, evening primrose oil capsyles, liquid

L-levocarnitine, Ca+Mg, and multivitamins containing Se, Zn, Vit E, vit D, vit

C, and B complex. In the past I used to take all these separately but, after

much research and calculation, I managed to cut down on the number of pills

taken daily and I am very glad about it. From time to time I have B12 injections

and I take some kind of antioxidants. Am I missing something important?

Another question has to do with Klenner's protocol. Should one follow it for

ever or it is a cure for some time (say months) or what?

I wish good health to all of you.

Kindest regards,

Katerina

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Dudley. I know the site and it has been very helpful to me.

My best,

Katerina

[Guest guest]

Thank you, . I will study your webpage.

My best,

Katerina

[Guest guest]

Katerina,

I think you answered your own question. If you're feeling weak

without your supplements, then they must be doing you good. I've

muscle-tested hundreds of people and have found that the majority of

supplements are not that effective. You must be taking some good

quality stuff!

Getting rid of heavy metals in the body is very important since

mercury, lead, etc can block mineral uptake. How are your bowels

working? Normally I also suggest a probiotic which helps to increase

absorption of nutrients as well.

What's your diet like?

Sharon Hoehner

www.sharethecause.com/detoxqueen

>

> Hello everybody,

> I have been part of this group for some time now and I appreciate

the help it offers.

> I have had MS for 15 years now, fortunatelly of benign type. I never

used traditional drugs and I have been able to manage my health

through homeopathy, diet, exercise, supplements and, lately, LDN. My

problems are minimal but this doesn't mean I don't care to study,

search and try new alternative methods. I live in Greece, where

alternative treatments are not common practice, let alone what it was

like 15 years ago! Only lately have I managed to find an alternative

doctor tustworthy enough.

> I have some questions and I would appreciate any input about them.

> I have a question concerning supplements. Many MS'ers in several

alternative forums say that we should take our supplements every day,

while my new doctor and others think that we should stop taking them

for some time (e.g some days/month or 1-2 days/week) in order to let

the organism get some rest and process the substances it has already

taken. Every time I have stoped my supplements for more than one week,

I have felt weak. I wonder what I should do. I take liquid cod liver

oil, evening primrose oil capsyles, liquid L-levocarnitine, Ca+Mg, and

multivitamins containing Se, Zn, Vit E, vit D, vit C, and B complex.

In the past I used to take all these separately but, after much

research and calculation, I managed to cut down on the number of pills

taken daily and I am very glad about it. From time to time I have B12

injections and I take some kind of antioxidants. Am I missing

something important?

> Another question has to do with Klenner's protocol. Should one

follow it for ever or it is a cure for some time (say months) or what?

> I wish good health to all of you.

> Kindest regards,

> Katerina

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sharon, thank you for your interest.

The list of supplements I am taking is the fruit of much experimentation, both

as it concerns quantities and brands. I have learned to listen to my organism

and never stop investigating.. For metal detox, better bowel function and

increase of absorption I use special homeopathetic remedies but I would like to

do something more. Do you have to propose me anything? What kind of probiotics

would you suggest? I used to have bowel problems and ulcerative colitis in the

past but now I am almost problem free.  I am on a strict Best Bet Diet and have

quited all foods (fortunately not many) I was found intolerant to. This is how I

got rid of my colitis.

Any suggestion will be appreciated.

Kindest regards,

Katerina