RE: Re: class action suit?

[Guest guest]

We're going with Hitt, , and Sell (www.HittSell.com). Jeff

Sell has twin autistic boys so this is near and dear to his heart. I'm

impressed that he's so involved with the autism community. He's a

Vice-President and Government Relations Chairman of ASA, State Rep for

Unlocking Autism, Advisory Board member of NYFAC, and as he likes to say,

" most importantly, a DAD. "

Jo

Representative for Unlocking Autism in South Carolina

www.unlockingautism.org

[Guest guest]

<Is Hitt, , and Sell filing by class action or are they going to be

filing individual cases?>

They're doing individual cases, that's why I went with them. I think if you

go with a class action it's the lawyers who make all the money from what I've

heard.

Jo

Representative for Unlocking Autism in South Carolina

www.unlockingautism.org

[Guest guest]

Hi Jo,

Is Hitt, , and Sell filing by class action or are they going to be

filing individual cases?

Thanks,

Rita

Re: [ ] Re: class action suit?

> We're going with Hitt, , and Sell (www.HittSell.com).

Jeff

> Sell has twin autistic boys so this is near and dear to his heart. I'm

> impressed that he's so involved with the autism community. He's a

> Vice-President and Government Relations Chairman of ASA, State Rep for

> Unlocking Autism, Advisory Board member of NYFAC, and as he likes to say,

> " most importantly, a DAD. "

>

> Jo

> Representative for Unlocking Autism in South Carolina

> www.unlockingautism.org

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

>They're doing individual cases, that's why I went with them. I think if you

>go with a class action it's the lawyers who make all the money from what

I've

>heard.

>

if this is correct, it is sure too bad. I think only a class action

can get compensation for all the injured kids -- and, of course, that

is only if it is an inclusive enough " class " . just my 2 cents.

I have no idea if ANY of the legal stuff will " pan out " . But,

personally, I would like it if everyone's therapy (chelation, etc)

could be paid for....

Moria

[not a parent]

[Guest guest]

> ---Yes, I joined last spring with Waters and Kraus in Dallas.

> I think you are right...it may be awhile, but I think it will be

> worth the wait to " wake some people up! "

> Lindy

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> In @y..., " jsprig2001 " <jsprigmore@m...> wrote:

>> I was curious if any of you have joined the class action suit

> about

>> thimerosal in the vaccines? We joined this past October with

>> attorneys out of New York City. It seems it will probably a looong

>> process but hopefully we will get some real answers!

>

We, too, joined with a Waters & Kraus affilliate law firm in West Va.,

called Hendrickson & Long. We called Waters & Kraus, who referred us to

this law firm, nearer our home. They are charging nothing, unless money is

won, they will take a %. I couldn't be happier that these law firms are

pursuing this! More & more people are beginning to take this seriously.

[Guest guest]

Moira and list,

Individual suits are the only way parents can recoup money for the loss of

their child(ren) and the subsequent cost of raising them, not to mention

" pain and suffering " . Class action suits cannot award individual damages

for personal injury because every case is different and every person in the

class has different damages. All class action suits can do is go forward

against certain defendants to establish rulings and precedents regarding

negligence and liability. But that is important in relation to individual

suits that come along after. Class action lawsuits also grab the attention

of the media and can bring certain pressure upon defendants in them to

modify their products. They are therefore useful, but they are not

designed to provide individual relief to the plaintiffs in them. People do

tend to get excited about the mention of a " class action " lawsuit - but its

probably true that the only people who benefit monetarily are the lawyers

that file them.

What parents on this list must be aware of, however, is that once you make

a connection between vaccines and your child's autism, your statute has

started to run and in some states (California for one) you only have a year

from that date to file a lawsuit. Therefore, if you suspect vaccines may

have injured your child, and you think you might want to make a claim for

damages, you must be aware that your statute is already running.

I'm also the parent of two children with autism. I live with these issues

at work and at home.

M. Bothwell

Waters & Kraus, LLP

200 Oceangate, Suite 520

Long Beach, California 90802

Tel: (562) 436-8833

Fax: (562) 590-7296

Moria

Merriweather

<moriam@earthl cc:

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class action

suit?

01/20/2002

07:35 AM

Please respond

to

>They're doing individual cases, that's why I went with them. I think if

you

>go with a class action it's the lawyers who make all the money from what

I've

>heard.

>

if this is correct, it is sure too bad. I think only a class action

can get compensation for all the injured kids -- and, of course, that

is only if it is an inclusive enough " class " . just my 2 cents.

I have no idea if ANY of the legal stuff will " pan out " . But,

personally, I would like it if everyone's therapy (chelation, etc)

could be paid for....

Moria

[not a parent]

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeff,

Does a person still have to file a case with the nvicp and wait to get

turned down( due to their child being diagnosed after the 3 yr statute of

limitations)before filing a case in civil court?

R

[Guest guest]

> -----Original Message-----

> From: & Jack Rawlings [mailto:jamaraw@...]

> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 8:15 PM

>

> Hi Jeff,

> Does a person still have to file a case with the nvicp and wait to get

> turned down( due to their child being diagnosed after the 3 yr statute of

> limitations)before filing a case in civil court?

> R

>

I am curious about this, too. I was recently told in an email from the form

I filled out at www.vaccineinjury.org that

" the deadline for filing claims in the Vaccine Program expires three (3)

years after the date of the first adverse symptom to a vaccine. "

But, I did not realize that the vaccines were the culprit until 2 years ago

this month, when my 2nd child reacted to the shots and I started doing

research on vaccine reactions. Then I started noticing the things with my

first kid coincided with her shots exactly. Except for the *severe*

regression right after weaning, the speech left after her last round of

shots at 15 months, the sleep disturbances were progressively worse from her

first shot (hep , until her last ones, where she almost stopped sleeping

at all. Gagging on food and vomiting after her 6 month shots, so badly that

I quit feeding her anything but breastmilk again until she was about 8-9

months, etc.

Tana

Tana

[Guest guest]

Dear Jeff,

We havent met yet so firstly Hello..:-)))

I just wanted to know if you have heard about a case in the U.K. involving a

lawyer who is sitting in prison convicted of murdering her two young babies.

It has not been mentioned in the media that the first child died after 5

hours a DPTP shot and the second 23 days after a DPTP shot. There was no

evidence to suggest murder. She was convicted solely on expert testimony

that the probablity of two babies dying from natural causes would be 1 in 73

million...therefore she must have killed them.

Her husband a finance lawyer has had to sell the family home in order to pay

for more than $300,000 US in bills.

In an interesting move by the English Law Society, which should be seen as a

vote of confidence in the lawyer-mother, they moved NOT to strike her from

the register.

She has lost the appeal and is now waiting to see how long her prison

sentence will be. The Crown is asking for 15 years.

I find this a gross miscarriage of justice not least that it could happen to

any of us who have their children innoculated.

I wonder whose interests are being served by making the deaths appear as

murder? Guess we know the answer to that question.

Has there ever been a class action suit involving DPTPs in the States? I

understand the current calss action suit in the States involves MMR and

Autism. Havent been following this too much but the One billion Pound class

suit involving MMR in England was the final straw in my deliberations

whether to have my daughter immunized with this combo jab.

Best regards,

Re: Re: CLaire??class action suit?

>

>

> Well, that may be true, but what would the percentage be and how would it

> relate to the money you have already spent? Perhaps the monies awarded

> would be so huge that each plaintiff's percentage would be adequate, but

> that's hard to say. The only way to know for sure is to know what relief

> is being requested in the particular class action complaint you are

> involved in.

>

> And by the way, I'm not a lawyer here and I'm not offering legal advice.

> As a said before, I'm a mum to two kids with autism and I work as a

> paralegal at Waters & Kraus.

>

> M. Bothwell

> Waters & Kraus, LLP

> 200 Oceangate, Suite 520

> Long Beach, California 90802

> Tel: (562) 436-8833

> Fax: (562) 590-7296

>

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

I just wanted to tell you there is a somewhat-similar-sounding case

here in the states. In this case the father has been fund guilty

and is serving a life sentence. Or was. I thought I heard some

further news about it (but can't recall what). The case was

written up in DAMS newsletter. There is a website about it

www.freeyurko.bizland.com The aarticle was a few months ago, and

they were planning to appeal.... The details of the child's death

sound different, but appears to be a vaccine reaction, after

been injected with HIB, Polio, Hepatitis and DTAP vaccines all

on one same day.

Moria

>Dear Jeff,

>

>We havent met yet so firstly Hello..:-)))

>

>I just wanted to know if you have heard about a case in the U.K. involving a

>lawyer who is sitting in prison convicted of murdering her two young babies.

>It has not been mentioned in the media that the first child died after 5

>hours a DPTP shot and the second 23 days after a DPTP shot. There was no

>evidence to suggest murder. She was convicted solely on expert testimony

>that the probablity of two babies dying from natural causes would be 1 in 73

>million...therefore she must have killed them.

>

>Her husband a finance lawyer has had to sell the family home in order to pay

>for more than $300,000 US in bills.

>

>In an interesting move by the English Law Society, which should be seen as a

>vote of confidence in the lawyer-mother, they moved NOT to strike her from

>the register.

>

>She has lost the appeal and is now waiting to see how long her prison

>sentence will be. The Crown is asking for 15 years.

>

>I find this a gross miscarriage of justice not least that it could happen to

>any of us who have their children innoculated.

>

>I wonder whose interests are being served by making the deaths appear as

>murder? Guess we know the answer to that question.

>

>Has there ever been a class action suit involving DPTPs in the States? I

>understand the current calss action suit in the States involves MMR and

>Autism. Havent been following this too much but the One billion Pound class

>suit involving MMR in England was the final straw in my deliberations

>whether to have my daughter immunized with this combo jab.

>

>Best regards,

>

>

[Guest guest]

:

Hi.

No, I have not heard of the case you discuss. We are in contact

with Barr in the UK and his team so I'll dig into the matter

further.

We have 3-4 case that a shockingly similar--parent in jail,

convicted of murder based upon so-called expert testimony; when in fact the

parent had a bad appointed criminal defense attorney that didn't recognize

and/or explore an adverse reaction to a vaccine (or multiple vaccines in one

visit the day the child died) and present that evidence to the jury. Damn

shame. Also, we have several cases where the official cause of death was

erroneously listed as " SIDS " . Most are Prevnar cases and DPT cases.

There have not been any large DPT cases in civil court in the US

that I am aware of (not YET), but there have been a number of claims under

the NVICP that have offered large amounts of money to the grieving parents.

Our system is quite a bit different then what's going on over in the UK, but

we are in constant communication with the UK team and we will continue to

work together.

Actually, the cases we are pursuing involve claims under the NVICP

and regular individual lawsuits in state civil courts throughout the US and

Canada. They involve both thimerosal and MMR, as well as a combination of

the above. Just like our children are different, so to are the cases

involving Autism and vaccinations.

Well, I'll get more info on the situation you mention tomorrow.

Thanks for calling my attention to the matter.

My best.

Peacefully,

Jeff Sell

Hitt * * Sell

4309 Yoakum Blvd.

Suite 2000

Houston, TX 77006

713.654.7776

713.654.7789 (fax)

www.HittSell.com

JZSell@... (office)

jzsell@... (home)

832.797.8191 (cell/v-mail)

www.vaccineinjury.org

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Message: 17

Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:42:50 +0100

From: " Griffiths " <rp46285@...>

Subject: Re: Re: class action suit?

Dear Jeff,

We havent met yet so firstly Hello..:-)))

I just wanted to know if you have heard about a case in the U.K. involving a

lawyer who is sitting in prison convicted of murdering her two young babies.

It has not been mentioned in the media that the first child died after 5

hours a DPTP shot and the second 23 days after a DPTP shot. There was no

evidence to suggest murder. She was convicted solely on expert testimony

that the probablity of two babies dying from natural causes would be 1 in 73

million...therefore she must have killed them.

Her husband a finance lawyer has had to sell the family home in order to pay

for more than $300,000 US in bills.

In an interesting move by the English Law Society, which should be seen as a

vote of confidence in the lawyer-mother, they moved NOT to strike her from

the register.

She has lost the appeal and is now waiting to see how long her prison

sentence will be. The Crown is asking for 15 years.

I find this a gross miscarriage of justice not least that it could happen to

any of us who have their children innoculated.

I wonder whose interests are being served by making the deaths appear as

murder? Guess we know the answer to that question.

Has there ever been a class action suit involving DPTPs in the States? I

understand the current calss action suit in the States involves MMR and

Autism. Havent been following this too much but the One billion Pound class

suit involving MMR in England was the final straw in my deliberations

whether to have my daughter immunized with this combo jab.

Best regards,

[Guest guest]

Jeff Sell wrote:

> :

> Hi.

> No, I have not heard of the case you discuss. We are in contact

> with Barr in the UK and his team so I'll dig into the matter

> further.

> We have 3-4 case that a shockingly similar--parent in jail,

> convicted of murder based upon so-called expert testimony; when in fact the

> parent had a bad appointed criminal defense attorney that didn't recognize

> and/or explore an adverse reaction to a vaccine (or multiple vaccines in one

> visit the day the child died) and present that evidence to the jury. Damn

> shame. Also, we have several cases where the official cause of death was

> erroneously listed as " SIDS " . Most are Prevnar cases and DPT cases.

>

Have there been problems with Prevnar?

Thats one of the four my child had the day he " left us " .

Thanks

[Guest guest]

:

Yes--there have been numerous adverse events reported. Check out

http://www.whale.to/v/prevnar2.html for the assorted details.

Peacefully,

Jeff Sell

Hitt * * Sell

4309 Yoakum Blvd.

Suite 2000

Houston, TX 77006

713.654.7776

713.654.7789 (fax)

www.HittSell.com

JZSell@... (office)

jzsell@... (home)

832.797.8191 (cell/v-mail)

www.vaccineinjury.org

Message: 15

Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:27:54 -0600

From: " yardist@... " <yardist@...>

Subject: Re: RE: Re: class action suit?

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Have there been problems with Prevnar?

Thats one of the four my child had the day he " left us " .

Thanks