Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 Your running a high risk! Have the professionals sing a contract that the shot will not cause any harm and that they are financially responsible should anything negative happens. They will not sign, when they wont, ask why they wont, if these poisons are safe! C. W. [ ] vaccinating siblings Our daughter has autism and is 2 and 1/2. She received all the " recommended " vaccines including Hep B on day 1 (contained thimerosol). She is doing very well with ABA, diet and enzymes. Our new dilemma is what to do about vaccinating her 2 and 1/2 month old brother. He has not received any vaccines yet. We have heard several recommendations including no vaccines at all due to risk of vaccine-induced autism to splitting up the MMR and not giving more than 1-2 vaccines at a time (Dr. Cave's book). What have been your personal experiences and recommendations for vaccinating children with autistic siblings? We would appreciate any comments. Thanks in advance. Mike and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 If your girl has autism, and boys are 4 times more likely to get it... I advice you to read the website http://www.909shot.com/ I do not see any reason to give vaccinations to children, at least I would wait until 3 years. My girl does not have autism, but she stopped speaking after measles (not MMR!) vaccination and started again only when she was 3.5years old. Margaret > Our daughter has autism and is 2 and 1/2. She received all > the " recommended " vaccines including Hep B on day 1 (contained > thimerosol). She is doing very well with ABA, diet and enzymes. Our > new dilemma is what to do about vaccinating her 2 and 1/2 month old > brother. He has not received any vaccines yet. We have heard > several recommendations including no vaccines at all due to risk of > vaccine-induced autism to splitting up the MMR and not giving more > than 1-2 vaccines at a time (Dr. Cave's book). What have been your > personal experiences and recommendations for vaccinating children > with autistic siblings? We would appreciate any comments. Thanks in > advance. > > Mike and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Although children's vaccines no longer contain thimerosal, I would still be very conservative with vaccinations for a sibling of a child with ASD. I recommend you talk with your doctor about prioritizing and spacing them a few months apart. I have come to believe in the " genetic predisposition with an environmental trigger " theory, and your ASD child shows that your infant may be similarly predisposed. The challenge for you is to reduce the risk of exposing the child to the trigger. Good luck, Max __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Personally after having both my childer affected by vaccines there is NO WAY I would vaccinate another. If you wish to pick out what you feel he really needs, space them out, perpare his body inadvance with cod liver oil, make sure he has nothing, not even a runny nose. If you medical center refuses to order them broken apart, walk out. I have a friend in NY she wasn't going to vaccinate her daughter until after age three because her son is autistic. Her husband took her daughter in at 18 months and the doctor talked him in just " DPaT and MMR " incase, you would feel bad if she got sick because your wife thinks there is a connection. Her lovely daughter screamed all night, and has not spoken one word from that day on. She also is into spinning objects and hand flapping. She just qualified for ABA services. Now what do you think was worse, worring about getting a preventable illness or awakening autism instead. I am sure you know how the Mom feels and even the doctor now admits he made a mistake, BUT still says he really thought he was doing the right thing at the time. You already know the connection........I will pray you do what is right for you and your son.....but only you can make that choice. [ ] vaccinating siblings > Our daughter has autism and is 2 and 1/2. She received all > the " recommended " vaccines including Hep B on day 1 (contained > thimerosol). She is doing very well with ABA, diet and enzymes. Our > new dilemma is what to do about vaccinating her 2 and 1/2 month old > brother. He has not received any vaccines yet. We have heard > several recommendations including no vaccines at all due to risk of > vaccine-induced autism to splitting up the MMR and not giving more > than 1-2 vaccines at a time (Dr. Cave's book). What have been your > personal experiences and recommendations for vaccinating children > with autistic siblings? We would appreciate any comments. Thanks in > advance. > > Mike and > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Mike and , I have four children. The first two girls have no problems. I had a rootcanal after child two. I then had Jack he and started showing small signs of regression at 20 months when I quit nursing him. I also noticed his stools never seemed to be formed and we kept testing this and everything was fine. Jack did have langauge and was social. He then started having periodic bouts of vomiting and at 2 yrs 4 months a brain tumor was found. I was about 7 months pregnant w/ my second son. Jack had surgery and started to move foward and about six weeks after surgery he started dropping words and lost eye contact before my eyes. He probably had two processes going on. My second son was born and I was concerned about the shots but mostly the mmr. My second son had the first six months of shot late but he had them. After the last round of shots Lukes stools became mushy. I immediately put him on GF/cf and quit vaccinating him. I have done a few rounds of chelation w/ Luke and he can tolerate most foods now. He has no nuerological problems. I am still nursing him because I am afraid to stop. I could not handle anything happening to another child. I feel strongly that if I had continued vaccinating Luke he would have problems. When you have one child affected by immunizations the chances a good that another child would be also. In other words, I would not vaccinate. Regards, nne -- In @y..., " mikeandsarah21047 " <m.wasmer@m...> wrote: > Our daughter has autism and is 2 and 1/2. She received all > the " recommended " vaccines including Hep B on day 1 (contained > thimerosol). She is doing very well with ABA, diet and enzymes. Our > new dilemma is what to do about vaccinating her 2 and 1/2 month old > brother. He has not received any vaccines yet. We have heard > several recommendations including no vaccines at all due to risk of > vaccine-induced autism to splitting up the MMR and not giving more > than 1-2 vaccines at a time (Dr. Cave's book). What have been your > personal experiences and recommendations for vaccinating children > with autistic siblings? We would appreciate any comments. Thanks in > advance. > > Mike and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 No personal experience. Suggestions: if you DO decide to vaccinate, wait a few years until he is older. The vaccines still work. He will be bigger and thus the level of nasties lower (they are diluted by more of him). Also there is some hope that in a few years more of the vaccines will be available without thimerosal. Maybe without some of the other " junk " too. Additionally, since everyone but the MD's and the regulatory agencies have now noticed there is a problem, in a few years there may be some proper research on it available to help you make a better informed decision. Some or all of the risk factors for developing autism or other developmental problems due to vaccines are inherited. A sibling of a child who has this problem is at great risk. Make sure to write in the chart at any doctor's office you take him to that the doctor is specifically forbidden to vaccinate your child for any reason BEFORE you let the doc see him. Keep a copy of the chart page you wrote that on, too. Otherwise you are very likely to take him in for a checkup and find out they vaccinated him without your consent. Andy > Our daughter has autism and is 2 and 1/2. She received all > the " recommended " vaccines including Hep B on day 1 (contained > thimerosol). She is doing very well with ABA, diet and enzymes. Our > new dilemma is what to do about vaccinating her 2 and 1/2 month old > brother. He has not received any vaccines yet. We have heard > several recommendations including no vaccines at all due to risk of > vaccine-induced autism to splitting up the MMR and not giving more > than 1-2 vaccines at a time (Dr. Cave's book). What have been your > personal experiences and recommendations for vaccinating children > with autistic siblings? We would appreciate any comments. Thanks in > advance. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 > > > Although children's vaccines no longer contain > thimerosal, This is wrong. Children's vaccines DO STILL contain thimerosal. The thimerosal free ones are mostly not even approved, much less on the shelf in the doctor's offices. Everyone will have to read the vial every time for the next 5 years or so to be sure they are thimerosal free. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Yes wait, but keep in mind that thimerasol is not the only problem although it is the biggest. The vaccines themselves are not " pure " , that is the shots such as mmr still cause problems. C.W. [ ] Re: vaccinating siblings No personal experience. Suggestions: if you DO decide to vaccinate, wait a few years until he is older. The vaccines still work. He will be bigger and thus the level of nasties lower (they are diluted by more of him). Also there is some hope that in a few years more of the vaccines will be available without thimerosal. Maybe without some of the other " junk " too. Additionally, since everyone but the MD's and the regulatory agencies have now noticed there is a problem, in a few years there may be some proper research on it available to help you make a better informed decision. Some or all of the risk factors for developing autism or other developmental problems due to vaccines are inherited. A sibling of a child who has this problem is at great risk. Make sure to write in the chart at any doctor's office you take him to that the doctor is specifically forbidden to vaccinate your child for any reason BEFORE you let the doc see him. Keep a copy of the chart page you wrote that on, too. Otherwise you are very likely to take him in for a checkup and find out they vaccinated him without your consent. Andy > Our daughter has autism and is 2 and 1/2. She received all > the " recommended " vaccines including Hep B on day 1 (contained > thimerosol). She is doing very well with ABA, diet and enzymes. Our > new dilemma is what to do about vaccinating her 2 and 1/2 month old > brother. He has not received any vaccines yet. We have heard > several recommendations including no vaccines at all due to risk of > vaccine-induced autism to splitting up the MMR and not giving more > than 1-2 vaccines at a time (Dr. Cave's book). What have been your > personal experiences and recommendations for vaccinating children > with autistic siblings? We would appreciate any comments. Thanks in > advance. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 > > > > > > Although children's vaccines no longer contain > > thimerosal, > > This is wrong. Children's vaccines DO STILL contain thimerosal. The > thimerosal free ones are mostly not even approved, much less on the > shelf in the doctor's offices. Everyone will have to read the vial > every time for the next 5 years or so to be sure they are thimerosal > free. > > Andy This is very interesting to me, because everything I have read said that the vaccines with thimerosal will be used up by spring of 2002. My neice's pediatrician insists none of his vaccines contain thimerosal. She really didn't haggle him all that much. Now, he won't even see her children. The last couple of times she saw the other ped. in the office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 --- andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Although children's vaccines no longer contain > > thimerosal, > > This is wrong. Children's vaccines DO STILL contain > thimerosal. The > thimerosal free ones are mostly not even approved, > much less on the > shelf in the doctor's offices. Everyone will have > to read the vial > every time for the next 5 years or so to be sure > they are thimerosal > free. > > Andy > > It's very possible I have misremembered or misunderstood the news, and I my son hasn't been threatened with a vaccine in a while; so I'm not certain. However, my understanding was the vaccine manufacturers were forced to stop using thimerosal about a year ago, but doctors could continue to use it from their stock until two or three months ago. I'll have to see if I can dig up the articles some place. By all means, though, check the vials in case your ped. didn't get the news or whatever... Max __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Hi Valeri this is Vicki mom of 5 years old (autistic). My concern is will have to start his new school soon and I am hearing , of course, that I have to vaccinate him before he goes. I am refusing to do that due to the vaccine issues. What is the blue form you mentioned about getting out of getting a child vaccinated for school. I would appreciate your response thank you! Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 The ultimate decision, as you know, is yours. Personally, I have made the choice of *no* more shots for either kid, (or myself for that matter). Tana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 > -----Original Message----- > From: Valeri Dugan [mailto:valeri@...] > shots like Hep B, what's that about? It's for a form of hepatitis that is > only transmitted by homosexual sex or IV drug use. Homosexual sex is not the only way it is sexually transmitted, heterosexual sex will transmit it, too. But, since sex is not on the minds of most infants still trying to figure out why they suddenly weigh so much in this world of air... Tana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Thanks very much for all your responses. It is heartwarming that so many people care about our families enough to watch these message boards and take the time to respond. This makes a horrible situation a little more tolerable. M & S > Our daughter has autism and is 2 and 1/2. She received all > the " recommended " vaccines including Hep B on day 1 (contained > thimerosol). She is doing very well with ABA, diet and enzymes. Our > new dilemma is what to do about vaccinating her 2 and 1/2 month old > brother. He has not received any vaccines yet. We have heard > several recommendations including no vaccines at all due to risk of > vaccine-induced autism to splitting up the MMR and not giving more > than 1-2 vaccines at a time (Dr. Cave's book). What have been your > personal experiences and recommendations for vaccinating children > with autistic siblings? We would appreciate any comments. Thanks in > advance. > > Mike and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 The idiots in their collective money grubbing greed believe that these little angels will be sexually active teens and so must be poisoned now so they will not get Hep B. That's like saying all Arabic speaking people are terrorist. At least that's one explanation rational for this action. When dealing with anything of this nature there is wisdom of experience known as objective findings that as parents you know as fact and there is the subjective I think you need this to protect this child which is to say I think but I don't know, but the pharmaceutical detail people ($ales people) assured me this is the way to go and these $hots are needed because they $aid $o. C. W. RE: [ ] vaccinating siblings > -----Original Message----- > From: Valeri Dugan [mailto:valeri@...] > shots like Hep B, what's that about? It's for a form of hepatitis that is > only transmitted by homosexual sex or IV drug use. Homosexual sex is not the only way it is sexually transmitted, heterosexual sex will transmit it, too. But, since sex is not on the minds of most infants still trying to figure out why they suddenly weigh so much in this world of air... Tana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2002 Report Share Posted January 30, 2002 Mike and : I have a 4 year old son with PDD-NOS. Same deal as your child,vaccinated with Hep B in the hospital on day 1. Not knowing any better, I started vaccinating my baby daughter until she seizured 8 times after her 4 month old vaccines. She lost eye contact and stopped babbling, she stopped moving her bowels and screamed constantly. The pedetrician pooh poohed my fears. But I held firm. I put her on Cod liver oil immediately, lactobillo..., vitamin B and since I was still breastfeeding I went GF/CF corn, egg, soy etc. free. Her one year old birthday was January 13 and she is typically developing although very hyperactive(she will not lie down on her back for a diaper change) I plan to do a hair analysis very shortly. I'm dreading to see the results and keep putting it off. I can't face it but I know I have to. I will probably wait to vaccinate my daughter for Polio??? only when she is 2. Otherwise, I will opt out for religious reasons when it's time to send her to school. Best of Luck, Holly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2002 Report Share Posted January 30, 2002 >> > Although children's vaccines no longer contain >> > thimerosal, >> >> This is wrong. Children's vaccines DO STILL contain thimerosal. >The >> thimerosal free ones are mostly not even approved, much less on the >> shelf in the doctor's offices. Everyone will have to read the vial >> every time for the next 5 years or so to be sure they are >thimerosal >> free. >> >> Andy > >This is very interesting to me, because everything I have read said >that the vaccines with thimerosal will be used up by spring of 2002. >My neice's pediatrician insists none of his vaccines contain >thimerosal. She really didn't haggle him all that much. Now, he won't >even see her children. The last couple of times she saw the other >ped. in the office. > > Ditto--- I'm confused. I thought it was " just " the stock on shelves that would still have mercury. And heard that should be " used up " soon..... Andy, or anyone, what are you saying about the non-thimerosal ones being not yet AVAILABLE?? While I'm at it, maybe someone can educate me a little--- I **think** what I've read is that the " MANDATED " childhood vaccines have been told they must be thimerosal-free. I ***think*** this would mean that OTHER vaccines, that are non-mandated ones, and any adult ones (e.g. flu shots) ARE STILL ALLOWED TO CONTAIN THIMEROSAL. Do I have it right?? thanks, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2002 Report Share Posted January 30, 2002 Where do you live? I just went through that with my 3yr. old. In Texas, you can use a medical or religious exemption. The medical one requires a note from your doctor, and the medical one requires an affidavit from you stating " vaccinations conflict with the tenants and practices of your religious beliefs " . The school nurse should be able to provide you with a copy of the education code. Hope this helps, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2002 Report Share Posted January 30, 2002 I too am confused about their rationale with the Hep B regarding older children. The school sent a note last year that all 7th graders are to have it or not be able to go to school. My son (who was 11 at the time) is in an all moderately autistic class. Now if the children in his class remain as they are, they WILL NOT be having sex. So that excuse about sexually active teens is a bunch of crap especially when you're talking about special ed students with major problems! on 1/29/02 11:13 PM, C. W. at cwgeorge2@... wrote: > The idiots in their collective money grubbing greed believe that these little > angels will be sexually active teens and so must be poisoned now so they will > not get Hep B. That's like saying all Arabic speaking people are terrorist. At > least that's one explanation rational for this action. > > When dealing with anything of this nature there is wisdom of experience known > as objective findings that as parents you know as fact and there is the > subjective I think you need this to protect this child which is to say I think > but I don't know, but the pharmaceutical detail people ($ales people) assured > me this is the way to go and these $hots are needed because they $aid $o. > > C. W. > RE: [ ] vaccinating siblings > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Valeri Dugan [mailto:valeri@...] > > >> shots like Hep B, what's that about? It's for a form of hepatitis that is >> only transmitted by homosexual sex or IV drug use. > > Homosexual sex is not the only way it is sexually transmitted, heterosexual > sex will transmit it, too. But, since sex is not on the minds of most > infants still trying to figure out why they suddenly weigh so much in this > world of air... > > Tana > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2002 Report Share Posted January 30, 2002 > Yes wait, but keep in mind that thimerasol is not the only problem Correct. I hope I didn't leave the false impression that it was otherwise. There is lots of junk in the vaccines (called " adjuvants " ) and no clear idea of how vaccines work, why, or why they require adjuvants to cause the desired immune reaction. >although it is the biggest. The vaccines themselves are not " pure " , that is the shots such as mmr still cause problems. > > C.W. > [ ] Re: vaccinating siblings > > > No personal experience. > > Suggestions: if you DO decide to vaccinate, wait a few years until he > is older. The vaccines still work. He will be bigger and thus the > level of nasties lower (they are diluted by more of him). Also there > is some hope that in a few years more of the vaccines will be > available without thimerosal. Maybe without some of the other " junk " > too. Additionally, since everyone but the MD's and the regulatory > agencies have now noticed there is a problem, in a few years there may > be some proper research on it available to help you make a better > informed decision. > > Some or all of the risk factors for developing autism or other > developmental problems due to vaccines are inherited. A sibling of a > child who has this problem is at great risk. > > Make sure to write in the chart at any doctor's office you take him to > that the doctor is specifically forbidden to vaccinate your child for > any reason BEFORE you let the doc see him. Keep a copy of the chart > page you wrote that on, too. Otherwise you are very likely to take > him in for a checkup and find out they vaccinated him without your > consent. > > Andy > > > --- In @y..., " mikeandsarah21047 " <m.wasmer@m...> wrote: > > Our daughter has autism and is 2 and 1/2. She received all > > the " recommended " vaccines including Hep B on day 1 (contained > > thimerosol). She is doing very well with ABA, diet and enzymes. Our > > new dilemma is what to do about vaccinating her 2 and 1/2 month old > > brother. He has not received any vaccines yet. We have heard > > several recommendations including no vaccines at all due to risk of > > vaccine-induced autism to splitting up the MMR and not giving more > > than 1-2 vaccines at a time (Dr. Cave's book). What have been your > > personal experiences and recommendations for vaccinating children > > with autistic siblings? We would appreciate any comments. Thanks in > > advance. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2002 Report Share Posted January 30, 2002 Just a short note of Japanese approach to shots, no shots till child is 2 years of age and then only with parents and dr. agreeing to procedure. The net result......the Japanese have virtually eliminated SIDS in their population. Go figure, why can't our health professionals take a hint? C. W. [ ] Re: vaccinating siblings > > > No personal experience. > > Suggestions: if you DO decide to vaccinate, wait a few years until he > is older. The vaccines still work. He will be bigger and thus the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 In a message dated 1/30/02 10:12:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, cwgeorge2@... writes: > Just a short note of Japanese approach to shots, no shots till child is 2 > years of age and then only with parents and dr. agreeing to procedure. The > net result......the Japanese have virtually eliminated SIDS in their > population. Go figure, why can't our health professionals take a hint? > Anyone know whether the autism rate in Japan is going down, too? Margaret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 Hi Valeri and thanks for responding. is 5 and he has had 17 shots since birth. I havent vaccinated him since June of 1998 due to the information I have found out in the last few years on the mercury. We live in Queens New York , if you know anything about this please let me know. They make a very big stink here about letting your kids into school , only if they are vaccinated. Thanks Vicki Lowery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 Hi again Valeri I also wanted to ask you what exactly is the tighters test? Thanks Vicki Lowery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 > -----Original Message----- > From: MMacGregor@... [mailto:MMacGregor@...] > Anyone know whether the autism rate in Japan is going down, too? > > Margaret I have heard that autism is rampant in Japan, and that no one even knows how many have it. I am not surprised that many are unknown do to their culture. Autism might *not* go down for quite some time there even with a lower rate of vaccinations due to inherited mercury and their propensity for eating fish. Tana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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