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Your running a high risk! Have the professionals sing a contract that the shot

will not cause any harm and that they are financially responsible should

anything negative happens.

They will not sign, when they wont, ask why they wont, if these poisons are

safe!

C. W.

[ ] vaccinating siblings

Our daughter has autism and is 2 and 1/2. She received all

the " recommended " vaccines including Hep B on day 1 (contained

thimerosol). She is doing very well with ABA, diet and enzymes. Our

new dilemma is what to do about vaccinating her 2 and 1/2 month old

brother. He has not received any vaccines yet. We have heard

several recommendations including no vaccines at all due to risk of

vaccine-induced autism to splitting up the MMR and not giving more

than 1-2 vaccines at a time (Dr. Cave's book). What have been your

personal experiences and recommendations for vaccinating children

with autistic siblings? We would appreciate any comments. Thanks in

advance.

Mike and

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If your girl has autism, and boys are 4 times more likely to get

it... I advice you to read the website http://www.909shot.com/

I do not see any reason to give vaccinations to children, at least I

would wait until 3 years. My girl does not have autism, but she

stopped speaking after measles (not MMR!) vaccination and started

again only when she was 3.5years old.

Margaret

> Our daughter has autism and is 2 and 1/2. She received all

> the " recommended " vaccines including Hep B on day 1 (contained

> thimerosol). She is doing very well with ABA, diet and enzymes. Our

> new dilemma is what to do about vaccinating her 2 and 1/2 month old

> brother. He has not received any vaccines yet. We have heard

> several recommendations including no vaccines at all due to risk of

> vaccine-induced autism to splitting up the MMR and not giving more

> than 1-2 vaccines at a time (Dr. Cave's book). What have been your

> personal experiences and recommendations for vaccinating children

> with autistic siblings? We would appreciate any comments. Thanks in

> advance.

>

> Mike and

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Although children's vaccines no longer contain

thimerosal, I would still be very conservative with

vaccinations for a sibling of a child with ASD. I

recommend you talk with your doctor about prioritizing

and spacing them a few months apart.

I have come to believe in the " genetic predisposition

with an environmental trigger " theory, and your ASD

child shows that your infant may be similarly

predisposed. The challenge for you is to reduce the

risk of exposing the child to the trigger.

Good luck,

Max

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Personally after having both my childer affected by vaccines there is NO WAY

I would vaccinate another. If you wish to pick out what you feel he really

needs, space them out, perpare his body inadvance with cod liver oil, make

sure he has nothing, not even a runny nose. If you medical center refuses to

order them broken apart, walk out. I have a friend in NY she wasn't going to

vaccinate her daughter until after age three because her son is autistic.

Her husband took her daughter in at 18 months and the doctor talked him in

just " DPaT and MMR " incase, you would feel bad if she got sick because

your wife thinks there is a connection. Her lovely daughter screamed all

night, and has not spoken one word from that day on. She also is into

spinning objects and hand flapping. She just qualified for ABA services. Now

what do you think was worse, worring about getting a preventable illness or

awakening autism instead. I am sure you know how the Mom feels and even the

doctor now admits he made a mistake, BUT still says he really thought he was

doing the right thing at the time. You already know the connection........I

will pray you do what is right for you and your son.....but only you can

make that choice.

[ ] vaccinating siblings

> Our daughter has autism and is 2 and 1/2. She received all

> the " recommended " vaccines including Hep B on day 1 (contained

> thimerosol). She is doing very well with ABA, diet and enzymes. Our

> new dilemma is what to do about vaccinating her 2 and 1/2 month old

> brother. He has not received any vaccines yet. We have heard

> several recommendations including no vaccines at all due to risk of

> vaccine-induced autism to splitting up the MMR and not giving more

> than 1-2 vaccines at a time (Dr. Cave's book). What have been your

> personal experiences and recommendations for vaccinating children

> with autistic siblings? We would appreciate any comments. Thanks in

> advance.

>

> Mike and

>

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Mike and ,

I have four children. The first two girls have no problems. I had a

rootcanal after child two. I then had Jack he and started showing

small signs of regression at 20 months when I quit nursing him. I

also noticed his stools never seemed to be formed and we kept testing

this and everything was fine. Jack did have langauge and was

social. He then started having periodic bouts of vomiting and at 2

yrs 4 months a brain tumor was found. I was about 7 months pregnant

w/ my second son. Jack had surgery and started to move foward and

about six weeks after surgery he started dropping words and lost eye

contact before my eyes. He probably had two processes going on. My

second son was born and I was concerned about the shots but mostly

the mmr. My second son had the first six months of shot late but he

had them. After the last round of shots Lukes stools became mushy.

I immediately put him on GF/cf and quit vaccinating him. I have done

a few rounds of chelation w/ Luke and he can tolerate most foods

now. He has no nuerological problems. I am still nursing him

because I am afraid to stop. I could not handle anything happening

to another child. I feel strongly that if I had continued

vaccinating Luke he would have problems. When you have one child

affected by immunizations the chances a good that another child would

be also. In other words, I would not vaccinate.

Regards,

nne

-- In @y..., " mikeandsarah21047 " <m.wasmer@m...> wrote:

> Our daughter has autism and is 2 and 1/2. She received all

> the " recommended " vaccines including Hep B on day 1 (contained

> thimerosol). She is doing very well with ABA, diet and enzymes. Our

> new dilemma is what to do about vaccinating her 2 and 1/2 month old

> brother. He has not received any vaccines yet. We have heard

> several recommendations including no vaccines at all due to risk of

> vaccine-induced autism to splitting up the MMR and not giving more

> than 1-2 vaccines at a time (Dr. Cave's book). What have been your

> personal experiences and recommendations for vaccinating children

> with autistic siblings? We would appreciate any comments. Thanks in

> advance.

>

> Mike and

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No personal experience.

Suggestions: if you DO decide to vaccinate, wait a few years until he

is older. The vaccines still work. He will be bigger and thus the

level of nasties lower (they are diluted by more of him). Also there

is some hope that in a few years more of the vaccines will be

available without thimerosal. Maybe without some of the other " junk "

too. Additionally, since everyone but the MD's and the regulatory

agencies have now noticed there is a problem, in a few years there may

be some proper research on it available to help you make a better

informed decision.

Some or all of the risk factors for developing autism or other

developmental problems due to vaccines are inherited. A sibling of a

child who has this problem is at great risk.

Make sure to write in the chart at any doctor's office you take him to

that the doctor is specifically forbidden to vaccinate your child for

any reason BEFORE you let the doc see him. Keep a copy of the chart

page you wrote that on, too. Otherwise you are very likely to take

him in for a checkup and find out they vaccinated him without your

consent.

Andy

> Our daughter has autism and is 2 and 1/2. She received all

> the " recommended " vaccines including Hep B on day 1 (contained

> thimerosol). She is doing very well with ABA, diet and enzymes. Our

> new dilemma is what to do about vaccinating her 2 and 1/2 month old

> brother. He has not received any vaccines yet. We have heard

> several recommendations including no vaccines at all due to risk of

> vaccine-induced autism to splitting up the MMR and not giving more

> than 1-2 vaccines at a time (Dr. Cave's book). What have been your

> personal experiences and recommendations for vaccinating children

> with autistic siblings? We would appreciate any comments. Thanks in

> advance.

>

>

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> Although children's vaccines no longer contain

> thimerosal,

This is wrong. Children's vaccines DO STILL contain thimerosal. The

thimerosal free ones are mostly not even approved, much less on the

shelf in the doctor's offices. Everyone will have to read the vial

every time for the next 5 years or so to be sure they are thimerosal

free.

Andy

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Yes wait, but keep in mind that thimerasol is not the only problem although it

is the biggest. The vaccines themselves are not " pure " , that is the shots such

as mmr still cause problems.

C.W.

[ ] Re: vaccinating siblings

No personal experience.

Suggestions: if you DO decide to vaccinate, wait a few years until he

is older. The vaccines still work. He will be bigger and thus the

level of nasties lower (they are diluted by more of him). Also there

is some hope that in a few years more of the vaccines will be

available without thimerosal. Maybe without some of the other " junk "

too. Additionally, since everyone but the MD's and the regulatory

agencies have now noticed there is a problem, in a few years there may

be some proper research on it available to help you make a better

informed decision.

Some or all of the risk factors for developing autism or other

developmental problems due to vaccines are inherited. A sibling of a

child who has this problem is at great risk.

Make sure to write in the chart at any doctor's office you take him to

that the doctor is specifically forbidden to vaccinate your child for

any reason BEFORE you let the doc see him. Keep a copy of the chart

page you wrote that on, too. Otherwise you are very likely to take

him in for a checkup and find out they vaccinated him without your

consent.

Andy

> Our daughter has autism and is 2 and 1/2. She received all

> the " recommended " vaccines including Hep B on day 1 (contained

> thimerosol). She is doing very well with ABA, diet and enzymes. Our

> new dilemma is what to do about vaccinating her 2 and 1/2 month old

> brother. He has not received any vaccines yet. We have heard

> several recommendations including no vaccines at all due to risk of

> vaccine-induced autism to splitting up the MMR and not giving more

> than 1-2 vaccines at a time (Dr. Cave's book). What have been your

> personal experiences and recommendations for vaccinating children

> with autistic siblings? We would appreciate any comments. Thanks in

> advance.

>

>

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> >

> > Although children's vaccines no longer contain

> > thimerosal,

>

> This is wrong. Children's vaccines DO STILL contain thimerosal.

The

> thimerosal free ones are mostly not even approved, much less on the

> shelf in the doctor's offices. Everyone will have to read the vial

> every time for the next 5 years or so to be sure they are

thimerosal

> free.

>

> Andy

This is very interesting to me, because everything I have read said

that the vaccines with thimerosal will be used up by spring of 2002.

My neice's pediatrician insists none of his vaccines contain

thimerosal. She really didn't haggle him all that much. Now, he won't

even see her children. The last couple of times she saw the other

ped. in the office.

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--- andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...> wrote:

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> >

> >

> > Although children's vaccines no longer contain

> > thimerosal,

>

> This is wrong. Children's vaccines DO STILL contain

> thimerosal. The

> thimerosal free ones are mostly not even approved,

> much less on the

> shelf in the doctor's offices. Everyone will have

> to read the vial

> every time for the next 5 years or so to be sure

> they are thimerosal

> free.

>

> Andy

>

>

It's very possible I have misremembered or

misunderstood the news, and I my son hasn't been

threatened with a vaccine in a while; so I'm not

certain. However, my understanding was the vaccine

manufacturers were forced to stop using thimerosal

about a year ago, but doctors could continue to use it

from their stock until two or three months ago. I'll

have to see if I can dig up the articles some place.

By all means, though, check the vials in case your

ped. didn't get the news or whatever...

Max

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Hi Valeri this is Vicki mom of 5 years old (autistic). My concern is

will have to start his new school soon and I am hearing , of course,

that I have to vaccinate him before he goes. I am refusing to do that due to

the vaccine issues. What is the blue form you mentioned about getting out of

getting a child vaccinated for school. I would appreciate your response thank

you! Vicki

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: Valeri Dugan [mailto:valeri@...]

> shots like Hep B, what's that about? It's for a form of hepatitis that is

> only transmitted by homosexual sex or IV drug use.

Homosexual sex is not the only way it is sexually transmitted, heterosexual

sex will transmit it, too. But, since sex is not on the minds of most

infants still trying to figure out why they suddenly weigh so much in this

world of air...

Tana

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Thanks very much for all your responses. It is heartwarming that so

many people care about our families enough to watch these message

boards and take the time to respond. This makes a horrible situation

a little more tolerable.

M & S

> Our daughter has autism and is 2 and 1/2. She received all

> the " recommended " vaccines including Hep B on day 1 (contained

> thimerosol). She is doing very well with ABA, diet and enzymes. Our

> new dilemma is what to do about vaccinating her 2 and 1/2 month old

> brother. He has not received any vaccines yet. We have heard

> several recommendations including no vaccines at all due to risk of

> vaccine-induced autism to splitting up the MMR and not giving more

> than 1-2 vaccines at a time (Dr. Cave's book). What have been your

> personal experiences and recommendations for vaccinating children

> with autistic siblings? We would appreciate any comments. Thanks in

> advance.

>

> Mike and

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The idiots in their collective money grubbing greed believe that these little

angels will be sexually active teens and so must be poisoned now so they will

not get Hep B. That's like saying all Arabic speaking people are terrorist. At

least that's one explanation rational for this action.

When dealing with anything of this nature there is wisdom of experience known as

objective findings that as parents you know as fact and there is the subjective

I think you need this to protect this child which is to say I think but I don't

know, but the pharmaceutical detail people ($ales people) assured me this is the

way to go and these $hots are needed because they $aid $o.

C. W.

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: Valeri Dugan [mailto:valeri@...]

> shots like Hep B, what's that about? It's for a form of hepatitis that is

> only transmitted by homosexual sex or IV drug use.

Homosexual sex is not the only way it is sexually transmitted, heterosexual

sex will transmit it, too. But, since sex is not on the minds of most

infants still trying to figure out why they suddenly weigh so much in this

world of air...

Tana

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Mike and :

I have a 4 year old son with PDD-NOS. Same deal as your child,vaccinated

with Hep B in the hospital on day 1. Not knowing any better, I started

vaccinating my baby daughter until she seizured 8 times after her 4 month old

vaccines. She lost eye contact and stopped babbling, she stopped moving her

bowels and screamed constantly. The pedetrician pooh poohed my fears. But I

held firm. I put her on Cod liver oil immediately, lactobillo..., vitamin B

and since I was still breastfeeding I went GF/CF corn, egg, soy etc. free.

Her one year old birthday was January 13 and she is typically developing

although very hyperactive(she will not lie down on her back for a diaper

change) I plan to do a hair analysis very shortly. I'm dreading to see the

results and keep putting it off. I can't face it but I know I have to. I

will probably wait to vaccinate my daughter for Polio??? only when she is 2.

Otherwise, I will opt out for religious reasons when it's time to send her to

school.

Best of Luck,

Holly

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>> > Although children's vaccines no longer contain

>> > thimerosal,

>>

>> This is wrong. Children's vaccines DO STILL contain thimerosal.

>The

>> thimerosal free ones are mostly not even approved, much less on the

>> shelf in the doctor's offices. Everyone will have to read the vial

>> every time for the next 5 years or so to be sure they are

>thimerosal

>> free.

>>

>> Andy

>

>This is very interesting to me, because everything I have read said

>that the vaccines with thimerosal will be used up by spring of 2002.

>My neice's pediatrician insists none of his vaccines contain

>thimerosal. She really didn't haggle him all that much. Now, he won't

>even see her children. The last couple of times she saw the other

>ped. in the office.

>

>

Ditto--- I'm confused. I thought it was " just " the stock on shelves

that would still have mercury. And heard that should be " used up "

soon..... Andy, or anyone, what are you saying about the non-thimerosal

ones being not yet AVAILABLE??

While I'm at it, maybe someone can educate me a little--- I **think**

what I've read is that the " MANDATED " childhood vaccines have been

told they must be thimerosal-free. I ***think*** this would mean

that OTHER vaccines, that are non-mandated ones, and any adult

ones (e.g. flu shots) ARE STILL ALLOWED TO CONTAIN THIMEROSAL.

Do I have it right??

thanks,

Moria

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Where do you live? I just went through that with my 3yr. old. In Texas, you

can use a medical or religious exemption.

The medical one requires a note from your doctor, and the medical one

requires an affidavit from you stating " vaccinations conflict with the

tenants and practices of your religious beliefs " . The school nurse should be

able to provide you with a copy of the education code. Hope this helps,

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I too am confused about their rationale with the Hep B regarding older

children. The school sent a note last year that all 7th graders are to have

it or not be able to go to school. My son (who was 11 at the time) is in an

all moderately autistic class. Now if the children in his class remain as

they are, they WILL NOT be having sex. So that excuse about sexually active

teens is a bunch of crap especially when you're talking about special ed

students with major problems!

on 1/29/02 11:13 PM, C. W. at cwgeorge2@... wrote:

> The idiots in their collective money grubbing greed believe that these little

> angels will be sexually active teens and so must be poisoned now so they will

> not get Hep B. That's like saying all Arabic speaking people are terrorist. At

> least that's one explanation rational for this action.

>

> When dealing with anything of this nature there is wisdom of experience known

> as objective findings that as parents you know as fact and there is the

> subjective I think you need this to protect this child which is to say I think

> but I don't know, but the pharmaceutical detail people ($ales people) assured

> me this is the way to go and these $hots are needed because they $aid $o.

>

> C. W.

> RE: [ ] vaccinating siblings

>

>

>

>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Valeri Dugan [mailto:valeri@...]

>

>

>> shots like Hep B, what's that about? It's for a form of hepatitis that is

>> only transmitted by homosexual sex or IV drug use.

>

> Homosexual sex is not the only way it is sexually transmitted, heterosexual

> sex will transmit it, too. But, since sex is not on the minds of most

> infants still trying to figure out why they suddenly weigh so much in this

> world of air...

>

> Tana

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> Yes wait, but keep in mind that thimerasol is not the only problem

Correct. I hope I didn't leave the false impression that it was

otherwise. There is lots of junk in the vaccines (called " adjuvants " )

and no clear idea of how vaccines work, why, or why they require

adjuvants to cause the desired immune reaction.

>although it is the biggest. The vaccines themselves are not " pure " ,

that is the shots such as mmr still cause problems.

>

> C.W.

> [ ] Re: vaccinating siblings

>

>

> No personal experience.

>

> Suggestions: if you DO decide to vaccinate, wait a few years until

he

> is older. The vaccines still work. He will be bigger and thus

the

> level of nasties lower (they are diluted by more of him). Also

there

> is some hope that in a few years more of the vaccines will be

> available without thimerosal. Maybe without some of the other

" junk "

> too. Additionally, since everyone but the MD's and the regulatory

> agencies have now noticed there is a problem, in a few years there

may

> be some proper research on it available to help you make a better

> informed decision.

>

> Some or all of the risk factors for developing autism or other

> developmental problems due to vaccines are inherited. A sibling

of a

> child who has this problem is at great risk.

>

> Make sure to write in the chart at any doctor's office you take

him to

> that the doctor is specifically forbidden to vaccinate your child

for

> any reason BEFORE you let the doc see him. Keep a copy of the

chart

> page you wrote that on, too. Otherwise you are very likely to

take

> him in for a checkup and find out they vaccinated him without your

> consent.

>

> Andy

>

>

> --- In @y..., " mikeandsarah21047 " <m.wasmer@m...>

wrote:

> > Our daughter has autism and is 2 and 1/2. She received all

> > the " recommended " vaccines including Hep B on day 1 (contained

> > thimerosol). She is doing very well with ABA, diet and enzymes.

Our

> > new dilemma is what to do about vaccinating her 2 and 1/2 month

old

> > brother. He has not received any vaccines yet. We have heard

> > several recommendations including no vaccines at all due to risk

of

> > vaccine-induced autism to splitting up the MMR and not giving

more

> > than 1-2 vaccines at a time (Dr. Cave's book). What have been

your

> > personal experiences and recommendations for vaccinating

children

> > with autistic siblings? We would appreciate any comments. Thanks

in

> > advance.

> >

> >

>

>

>

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Just a short note of Japanese approach to shots, no shots till child is 2 years

of age and then only with parents and dr. agreeing to procedure. The net

result......the Japanese have virtually eliminated SIDS in their population. Go

figure, why can't our health professionals take a hint?

C. W.

[ ] Re: vaccinating siblings

>

>

> No personal experience.

>

> Suggestions: if you DO decide to vaccinate, wait a few years until

he

> is older. The vaccines still work. He will be bigger and thus

the

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In a message dated 1/30/02 10:12:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,

cwgeorge2@... writes:

> Just a short note of Japanese approach to shots, no shots till child is 2

> years of age and then only with parents and dr. agreeing to procedure. The

> net result......the Japanese have virtually eliminated SIDS in their

> population. Go figure, why can't our health professionals take a hint?

>

Anyone know whether the autism rate in Japan is going down, too?

Margaret

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Hi Valeri and thanks for responding. is 5 and he has had 17 shots

since birth. I havent vaccinated him since June of 1998 due to the

information I have found out in the last few years on the mercury. We live in

Queens New York , if you know anything about this please let me know. They

make a very big stink here about letting your kids into school , only if they

are vaccinated. Thanks Vicki Lowery

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: MMacGregor@... [mailto:MMacGregor@...]

> Anyone know whether the autism rate in Japan is going down, too?

>

> Margaret

I have heard that autism is rampant in Japan, and that no one even knows how

many have it. I am not surprised that many are unknown do to their culture.

Autism might *not* go down for quite some time there even with a lower rate

of vaccinations due to inherited mercury and their propensity for eating

fish.

Tana

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