Guest guest Posted March 5, 2002 Report Share Posted March 5, 2002 The official name for muscle testing is applied kinesiology. It has its basis in the belief that the body weakens when exposed to items to which the individual has allergies or other sensitivities. Several different ways of doing it. Here's a simplified explantion. In one method the person being tested may hold a glass vial containing the substance being tested in one hand and extend the other arm horizontally. The tester presses down on the extended arm while the testee resists. If testee cannot maintain the extended arm the tester considers that substance tested as not beneficial for the individual. Some test by holding the item against the person's back to avoid any thought that the testee's awareness of the specific items being tested would influence the outcome. S On Tue, 05 March 2002, Suzanne Dunford wrote: > > <html><body> > > > <tt> > I don't want to offend anyone but could someone explain to me how muscle<BR> > testing works? <BR> > <BR> > Suzanne<BR> > <BR> > <BR> > on 3/5/02 9:57 AM, Ping Li at Li_Ping@... wrote:<BR> > <BR> > <BR> > Three weeks ago, I did<BR> > musucle testing and was told my son doesn't need ALA. But my gut feeling is<BR> > <BR> > <BR> > <BR> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2002 Report Share Posted March 5, 2002 > > > Three weeks ago, I did > musucle testing and was told my son doesn't need ALA. But my gut feeling is > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 > could someone explain to me how muscle testing works? Muscle Response Testing (MRT). Most alternative health practitioners do some form of MRT (or Applied Kinesiology, AK). The practitioner pushes down on the patients arm to determine an ailment or to see if a product is good. Here's what the guy from Quackwatch says about it: " My advice about AK muscle-testing is very simple: if you encounter anyone who relies on it for diagnosis, head for the nearest exit. " - Barrett, M.D. Here's some good " alternative " info on AK: " Kinesiology is a method of communicating with another persons nervous system by testing the tension in the muscles. " http://www.galaxyofhealth.com/alternative/kinesiology.html Anyway, MRT (anyone can do it) and AK (professional with over 300 hours of post graduate work) are not exactly the same. I think that MRT can be a tool in helping determine whether something is good or not. A product may be GREAT for one person, but may be ineffective for another (or may even be detrimental). -Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 I've used muscle testing several times with several different people for my son. Overall, there was a high degree of consistency among them as regards to which foods and supplements to avoid with my son, and most (but not all) of the things they suggested my son avoid were already very obvious to me. While I do not have complete confidence in muscle response testing, there have been some lab tests done on my son which I have given me surprising results which I do not agree with. Or perhaps it's the interpretation of these tests which was done incorrectly...not sure. I would consider MRT another tool, and it's safe and non-invasive for a child. Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 It does look like voodoo, however there is merit and it is non-invasive. Give it a chance it wont hurt. C. W. [ ] Re: Muscle testing > > > Three weeks ago, I did > musucle testing and was told my son doesn't need ALA. But my gut feeling is > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 A lot of my European friends use this system and they are all pretty straight-laced. [ ] Re: Muscle testing > > > > > > > > > Three weeks ago, I did > > musucle testing and was told my son doesn't need ALA. But my gut > feeling is > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been r > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 The traditional medical community resisted physiotherapy for polio suffers but Sister Kinney prevailed and helped many children. The point here is that the same mentality has blocked Osteopathic, Chiropractic and many other alternative sources of health care. Check out the muscle testing for your self or ask the doctor if you may speak with some of his happy patients as to how it has helped them. C. W. [ ] Re: Muscle testing > could someone explain to me how muscle testing works? Muscle Response Testing (MRT). Most alternative health practitioners do some form of MRT (or Applied Kinesiology, AK). The practitioner pushes down on the patients arm to determine an ailment or to see if a product is good. Here's what the guy from Quackwatch says about it: " My advice about AK muscle-testing is very simple: if you encounter anyone who relies on it for diagnosis, head for the nearest exit. " - Barrett, M.D. Here's some good " alternative " info on AK: " Kinesiology is a method of communicating with another persons nervous system by testing the tension in the muscles. " http://www.galaxyofhealth.com/alternative/kinesiology.html Anyway, MRT (anyone can do it) and AK (professional with over 300 hours of post graduate work) are not exactly the same. I think that MRT can be a tool in helping determine whether something is good or not. A product may be GREAT for one person, but may be ineffective for another (or may even be detrimental). -Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 Andy, It does like voodoo to me also. I always confused to ask my Kinesioglists " really'? But 80-90% chances that they are right. I also was told the body is changing a lot with so much treatment I am doing on my boy right now. Something not good for this week may be very necessary next week. Have to keep on checking which I didn't do that often. I am totally exhausted. I sense my own feeling and admire your opinion also. Ping " andrewhallcu tler " <AndyCutler@a cc: ol.com> Subject: [ ] Re: Muscle testing 03/05/02 11:43 PM Please respond to Autism-Mercur y Caterpillar: Confidential Green Retain Until: 04/05/2002 Retention Category: G90 - Information and Reports > > > Three weeks ago, I did > musucle testing and was told my son doesn't need ALA. But my gut feeling is > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been r ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 > While I do not have complete confidence in muscle response testing, there > have been some lab tests done on my son which I have given me surprising > results which I do not agree with. Or perhaps it's the interpretation of > these tests which was done incorrectly...not sure. > > I would consider MRT another tool, and it's safe and non-invasive for a child. I think of it as voodoo too, but I had my allergies tested 3 different ways all of which matched exactly on over 50 items. None of the testers knew about the other tests and I didn't know what was in the syringes and vials. One of these 3 tests was muscle response testing, the other two were different types of traditional allergist skin testing where they scratch you up or shoot stuff under your skin to make little bumps and see how big they get. In the sense of being reproducible and calibrated to other techniques, MRT is as scientific as any other approach. Andy awef aev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Hello , The point is you can get good consistent results without the muscle testing. The results have more to do with the doctor, and less to do with the muscle testing technique. Mike Friday, May 1, 2009, 5:39:48 PM, you wrote: MS> We have had good consistent results with muscle testing using kinesiologists and kinsesiology. > -- Best regards, Mike mailto:goldenmike@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 If the practitioner studiously avoids using muscle testing on anything that can be immediately verified scientifically, then I suspect he knows he is trafficking in fantasy. No one would bother running a CBC, blood chemistry, or tumor markers. I can use the " Double Ring " muscle testing procedure to consistently determine that my body is suffering a terrible deficit of pizza with everything. At 05:41 PM 5/1/2009, you wrote: >Hello , > >The point is you can get good consistent results without the muscle >testing. The results have more to do with the doctor, and less to do >with the muscle testing technique. > >Mike > >Friday, May 1, 2009, 5:39:48 PM, you wrote: > >MS> We have had good consistent results with muscle testing using >kinesiologists and kinsesiology. > > > > >-- >Best regards, >Mike mailto:goldenmike@... > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.12/2090 - Release Date: >05/01/09 06:17:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 In defense of muscle testing--- I'm seeing a chiropractor who has been using Total Body Modification on me for 4 months. It is helping me. My sugar and carb cravings are gone, my menstrual cycles have improved, and he has worked through some emotional layers that frankly there is no way he could have known about. A friend that I introduced to my dr. has been having a similar experience- positive. Maybe it's psychosomatic, maybe it's voodoo, maybe it's just psycho but it's working for me. I'm open to a little voodoo if it helps me in my long term fight against cancer. I'll take every weapon I can get my hands on if it helps fix my body. As we all know, not everything works for everyone. But TBM is a part of my protocols (along w/ many other recomendations from this group and the oleander soup group) which I'm going to use for a while yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 What happened when a pill was or was not good for you Jan? ~Amber -- [ ] Muscle Testing When I was muscle-tested by a chiro, 26 yrs. ago, the pill was held under my tongue each time. It worked for me then. I've never heard of just holding the product in your hand.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Excellent. . . I applaud you and your desire for life - where ever it is found! Vernon www.phkillscancer.com > > > In defense of muscle testing--- > I'm seeing a chiropractor who has been using Total Body Modification on me for 4 months. It is helping me. My sugar and carb cravings are gone, my menstrual cycles have improved, and he has worked through some emotional layers that frankly there is no way he could have known about. A friend that I introduced to my dr. has been having a similar experience- positive. > Maybe it's psychosomatic, maybe it's voodoo, maybe it's just psycho but it's working for me. I'm open to a little voodoo if it helps me in my long term fight against cancer. I'll take every weapon I can get my hands on if it helps fix my body. > As we all know, not everything works for everyone. But TBM is a part of my protocols (along w/ many other recomendations from this group and the oleander soup group) which I'm going to use for a while yet. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 It was right after my first round of cancer. My whole system was 'messed up'. First, my doc then gave me Butaloidin (sp), which fortunately I couldn't take - it was banned a few months later for all the deaths it caused. Then I went to a chiro - he said my Adrenal glands were exhaused and tried 2 different brands of bovine pills under my tongue (pushing down on my arms each time as described in another post). The one that I ended up with - I never felt better in my life. I could only have it for a month he said - don't know why. But it sure worked to help get me back to 'normal'. After that, I guess my immune system took over as I did not have to have anything else. This cancer I've thought of going back to a chiro - just to see if they can help with the arm discomfort (lung, stage 4 - alternative treatments at home)..... jang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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