Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 > 2.) I got an e-mail asking if I would do a radio interview. I'm waiting for more details. Cool huh?> Really cool! Based on the Deprogramming site, you are a great spokesperson. > 3.) I've ordered the following graduate study dissertation from University of Southern California. Should be here in a couple of weeks. Will let you all know what it says: Study of the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory of Alcoholics Anonymous Members. " Wootton, P.R. USC, Los Angeles, 1990. ISSN 0419-4209.> > Apparently, they administered the MMPI to 75 " model " AA members to see how they rated on mental health.> This sounds VERY interesting. > I was talking to Augural1 on AOL, (he's one of us, but he doesn't belong to 12-step-free). We determined that we both fit the oppositional/defiant personality type as described in the DSM/V. Is this something we all have in common? What is the psychological bond that holds us together, the one that brought us here? > and Rio have mentioned the search for the truth, and I guess that is a lot of why I'm here. Both creativity and conformity seem to be demands in my life but they are in conflict with one another. More and more I think it's a conflict that is resolved one decision at a time. I want to make my decisions based on what *I* believe to be true, not based on some group's agenda. Judith ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 > 2.) I got an e-mail asking if I would do a radio interview. I'm waiting for more details. Cool huh?> Really cool! Based on the Deprogramming site, you are a great spokesperson. > 3.) I've ordered the following graduate study dissertation from University of Southern California. Should be here in a couple of weeks. Will let you all know what it says: Study of the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory of Alcoholics Anonymous Members. " Wootton, P.R. USC, Los Angeles, 1990. ISSN 0419-4209.> > Apparently, they administered the MMPI to 75 " model " AA members to see how they rated on mental health.> This sounds VERY interesting. > I was talking to Augural1 on AOL, (he's one of us, but he doesn't belong to 12-step-free). We determined that we both fit the oppositional/defiant personality type as described in the DSM/V. Is this something we all have in common? What is the psychological bond that holds us together, the one that brought us here? > and Rio have mentioned the search for the truth, and I guess that is a lot of why I'm here. Both creativity and conformity seem to be demands in my life but they are in conflict with one another. More and more I think it's a conflict that is resolved one decision at a time. I want to make my decisions based on what *I* believe to be true, not based on some group's agenda. Judith ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Apple, ; Do you think it would help if everyone here tried to contact one host or show separately? There are a couple of other shows besides the ones mentioned-Dateline, 20/20. I really miss Phil Donahue-wouldn't that have been perfect? Apple, there will be a time when everything comes out. AA and its tactics and false doctrines need to be exposed and made public (hmmmm...another " reason " for anonimity; so much of the BB won't stand the light of close scrutinization). People need to know the truth about the butt doctor and the womanizer! >From: appledtp@... >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: 12-step-freeeGroups >Subject: Re: Hear ye, hear ye! >Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 08:42:30 -0700 > >Hi : >Well, we'll see if it was a legit request first. I'm still waiting for >the guy to get back to me. I hope it's not some ultra conservative >radio station where I'll get egged in the face. Or maybe that would be >the best, cause I'll just egg 'em back. >Actually, when the dark side of AA puzzle pieces first fell into place, >I did contact a talk show. Montel specifically, cause he talks a lot >about addiction and has done shows on helping addicts (usually by >sending them into treatment), and also by putting heroin addicts into >that miracle cure program where they are anethsetized (sp?), and their >systems are cleaned out utilizing some medical procedure, and a black >ball is placed under the skin so they can't get high afterwards. >I thought that a panel of some of the more voiciferous anti-AA members >would make a good show. Peele, Bufe, Ragge, Fransway, me, you, the >whole anti crew... > >Montel didn't call back, but I'm sure that this topic will make its way >into mainstream media (and soon I hope) >Apple > > > > AppleDTP@... wrote: > > > > > > > > 2.) I got an e-mail asking if I would do a radio interview. I'm > > > waiting for more details. Cool huh? > > > > > Hi Apple > > That is really choice. In fact I think a lot of radio talk show people > > are in need of a little viable controversy. I think many of them would > > relish doing a whole show on the dark side of AA. On the TV end of >it, I > > don't think Oprah would go for it with all of her 12 step > > nonsensibilities, but I'm sure there would be takers. How about 60 >Minutes? > > At any rate you must make tapes of your epic exchange available on > > AADeprogramming. I wouldn't miss it for the world. > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. >Start with up to 150 Points for joining! >http://clickhere./click/630 > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Hi Apple, What stands out for me when I read the 12-step-free mail is the intellect and a thirst for truth. Jan Hear ye, hear ye! >Hello gang! >1.) , Kim... you didn't die... you drank, and you didn't die. I'm >going to have special medallions minted and mail one to each of you. >What should the medallions say? Any ideas , oh mighty comic genius? > >2.) I got an e-mail asking if I would do a radio interview. I'm >waiting for more details. Cool huh? > >3.) I've ordered the following graduate study dissertation from >University of Southern California. Should be here in a couple of weeks. >Will let you all know what it says: >Study of the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory of Alcoholics >Anonymous Members. " >Wootton, P.R. USC, Los Angeles, 1990. ISSN 0419-4209. > >Apparently, they administered the MMPI to 75 " model " AA members to see >how they rated on mental health. > >I was talking to Augural1 on AOL, (he's one of us, but he doesn't >belong to 12-step-free). We determined that we both fit the >oppositional/defiant personality type as described in the DSM/V. Is >this something we all have in common? What is the psychological bond >that holds us together, the one that brought us here? I remember >, when you first e-mailed me your story, the one I have posted >on AAdeprogramming... you said that you first drank as a boy because >you felt that you were being lied to about alcohol. I think I can say >the same thing with respect to alcohol & drugs, and the same intuitive >force got me out of AA. > >Apple > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. >Start with up to 150 Points for joining! >http://clickhere./click/630 > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Hi Apple! I would like to take a look at a copy of that MMPI that you sent for. Is it possible to secure a copy from you? Appreciate it. Hear ye, hear ye! > Hello gang! > 1.) , Kim... you didn't die... you drank, and you didn't die. I'm > going to have special medallions minted and mail one to each of you. > What should the medallions say? Any ideas , oh mighty comic genius? > > 2.) I got an e-mail asking if I would do a radio interview. I'm > waiting for more details. Cool huh? > > 3.) I've ordered the following graduate study dissertation from > University of Southern California. Should be here in a couple of weeks. > Will let you all know what it says: > Study of the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory of Alcoholics > Anonymous Members. " > Wootton, P.R. USC, Los Angeles, 1990. ISSN 0419-4209. > > Apparently, they administered the MMPI to 75 " model " AA members to see > how they rated on mental health. > > I was talking to Augural1 on AOL, (he's one of us, but he doesn't > belong to 12-step-free). We determined that we both fit the > oppositional/defiant personality type as described in the DSM/V. Is > this something we all have in common? What is the psychological bond > that holds us together, the one that brought us here? I remember > , when you first e-mailed me your story, the one I have posted > on AAdeprogramming... you said that you first drank as a boy because > you felt that you were being lied to about alcohol. I think I can say > the same thing with respect to alcohol & drugs, and the same intuitive > force got me out of AA. > > Apple > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. > Start with up to 150 Points for joining! > http://clickhere./click/630 > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Hi Apple! I would like to take a look at a copy of that MMPI that you sent for. Is it possible to secure a copy from you? Appreciate it. Hear ye, hear ye! > Hello gang! > 1.) , Kim... you didn't die... you drank, and you didn't die. I'm > going to have special medallions minted and mail one to each of you. > What should the medallions say? Any ideas , oh mighty comic genius? > > 2.) I got an e-mail asking if I would do a radio interview. I'm > waiting for more details. Cool huh? > > 3.) I've ordered the following graduate study dissertation from > University of Southern California. Should be here in a couple of weeks. > Will let you all know what it says: > Study of the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory of Alcoholics > Anonymous Members. " > Wootton, P.R. USC, Los Angeles, 1990. ISSN 0419-4209. > > Apparently, they administered the MMPI to 75 " model " AA members to see > how they rated on mental health. > > I was talking to Augural1 on AOL, (he's one of us, but he doesn't > belong to 12-step-free). We determined that we both fit the > oppositional/defiant personality type as described in the DSM/V. Is > this something we all have in common? What is the psychological bond > that holds us together, the one that brought us here? I remember > , when you first e-mailed me your story, the one I have posted > on AAdeprogramming... you said that you first drank as a boy because > you felt that you were being lied to about alcohol. I think I can say > the same thing with respect to alcohol & drugs, and the same intuitive > force got me out of AA. > > Apple > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. > Start with up to 150 Points for joining! > http://clickhere./click/630 > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Hi Jan; I see something else as well, but will try to draw a parallel. mentioned the old prison 30 days in the hole. In a state with no death penalty, when you finish the time in the hole there's a certain euphoria because " They've done their max, this is the most they can do to me and I have survived, maybe stronger than before, because now I KNOW they cannot hurt me. Isn't that where we are at? AA and its' minions have given us their equivilant of the hole, and we have survived and now know that they cannot harm us. The promises of Hell and Damnation are spooky stories to scare children, of things that go bump in the night. The only thing that goes bump in the night here is when Little Bit falls out of the window sill when he moves in his sleep. We THINK, what a strange concept. Regardless of what we ARE doing, the things we are NOT doing are the things AA predicted for us. I agree that everyone is seeking truth, but it is my truth I seek as do you. Not the universal truth for all people. Actually my experience would say the universal truth doesn't exist. The only truth is one's own, constantly compared to other's truths in a sort of lifelong search to either find where I fit, or make a place I fit. The beauty of it being that either way works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Hi Jan; I see something else as well, but will try to draw a parallel. mentioned the old prison 30 days in the hole. In a state with no death penalty, when you finish the time in the hole there's a certain euphoria because " They've done their max, this is the most they can do to me and I have survived, maybe stronger than before, because now I KNOW they cannot hurt me. Isn't that where we are at? AA and its' minions have given us their equivilant of the hole, and we have survived and now know that they cannot harm us. The promises of Hell and Damnation are spooky stories to scare children, of things that go bump in the night. The only thing that goes bump in the night here is when Little Bit falls out of the window sill when he moves in his sleep. We THINK, what a strange concept. Regardless of what we ARE doing, the things we are NOT doing are the things AA predicted for us. I agree that everyone is seeking truth, but it is my truth I seek as do you. Not the universal truth for all people. Actually my experience would say the universal truth doesn't exist. The only truth is one's own, constantly compared to other's truths in a sort of lifelong search to either find where I fit, or make a place I fit. The beauty of it being that either way works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Hi Jan; I see something else as well, but will try to draw a parallel. mentioned the old prison 30 days in the hole. In a state with no death penalty, when you finish the time in the hole there's a certain euphoria because " They've done their max, this is the most they can do to me and I have survived, maybe stronger than before, because now I KNOW they cannot hurt me. Isn't that where we are at? AA and its' minions have given us their equivilant of the hole, and we have survived and now know that they cannot harm us. The promises of Hell and Damnation are spooky stories to scare children, of things that go bump in the night. The only thing that goes bump in the night here is when Little Bit falls out of the window sill when he moves in his sleep. We THINK, what a strange concept. Regardless of what we ARE doing, the things we are NOT doing are the things AA predicted for us. I agree that everyone is seeking truth, but it is my truth I seek as do you. Not the universal truth for all people. Actually my experience would say the universal truth doesn't exist. The only truth is one's own, constantly compared to other's truths in a sort of lifelong search to either find where I fit, or make a place I fit. The beauty of it being that either way works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 , it is arriving in about 2 weeks or so. e-mail me your snail mail address and I'll photocopy it and mail it to you. apple > Hi Apple! > > I would like to take a look at a copy of that MMPI that you sent for. Is it > possible to secure a copy from you? Appreciate it. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 , it is arriving in about 2 weeks or so. e-mail me your snail mail address and I'll photocopy it and mail it to you. apple > Hi Apple! > > I would like to take a look at a copy of that MMPI that you sent for. Is it > possible to secure a copy from you? Appreciate it. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 , it is arriving in about 2 weeks or so. e-mail me your snail mail address and I'll photocopy it and mail it to you. apple > Hi Apple! > > I would like to take a look at a copy of that MMPI that you sent for. Is it > possible to secure a copy from you? Appreciate it. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 AppleDTP@... wrote: > > 2.) I got an e-mail asking if I would do a radio interview. I'm > waiting for more details. Cool huh? > Hi Apple That is really choice. In fact I think a lot of radio talk show people are in need of a little viable controversy. I think many of them would relish doing a whole show on the dark side of AA. On the TV end of it, I don't think Oprah would go for it with all of her 12 step nonsensibilities, but I'm sure there would be takers. How about 60 Minutes? At any rate you must make tapes of your epic exchange available on AADeprogramming. I wouldn't miss it for the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 AppleDTP@... wrote: > > 2.) I got an e-mail asking if I would do a radio interview. I'm > waiting for more details. Cool huh? > Hi Apple That is really choice. In fact I think a lot of radio talk show people are in need of a little viable controversy. I think many of them would relish doing a whole show on the dark side of AA. On the TV end of it, I don't think Oprah would go for it with all of her 12 step nonsensibilities, but I'm sure there would be takers. How about 60 Minutes? At any rate you must make tapes of your epic exchange available on AADeprogramming. I wouldn't miss it for the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 AppleDTP@... wrote: > > 2.) I got an e-mail asking if I would do a radio interview. I'm > waiting for more details. Cool huh? > Hi Apple That is really choice. In fact I think a lot of radio talk show people are in need of a little viable controversy. I think many of them would relish doing a whole show on the dark side of AA. On the TV end of it, I don't think Oprah would go for it with all of her 12 step nonsensibilities, but I'm sure there would be takers. How about 60 Minutes? At any rate you must make tapes of your epic exchange available on AADeprogramming. I wouldn't miss it for the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Hi : Well, we'll see if it was a legit request first. I'm still waiting for the guy to get back to me. I hope it's not some ultra conservative radio station where I'll get egged in the face. Or maybe that would be the best, cause I'll just egg 'em back. Actually, when the dark side of AA puzzle pieces first fell into place, I did contact a talk show. Montel specifically, cause he talks a lot about addiction and has done shows on helping addicts (usually by sending them into treatment), and also by putting heroin addicts into that miracle cure program where they are anethsetized (sp?), and their systems are cleaned out utilizing some medical procedure, and a black ball is placed under the skin so they can't get high afterwards. I thought that a panel of some of the more voiciferous anti-AA members would make a good show. Peele, Bufe, Ragge, Fransway, me, you, the whole anti crew... Montel didn't call back, but I'm sure that this topic will make its way into mainstream media (and soon I hope) Apple > > AppleDTP@... wrote: > > > > > 2.) I got an e-mail asking if I would do a radio interview. I'm > > waiting for more details. Cool huh? > > > Hi Apple > That is really choice. In fact I think a lot of radio talk show people > are in need of a little viable controversy. I think many of them would > relish doing a whole show on the dark side of AA. On the TV end of it, I > don't think Oprah would go for it with all of her 12 step > nonsensibilities, but I'm sure there would be takers. How about 60 Minutes? > At any rate you must make tapes of your epic exchange available on > AADeprogramming. I wouldn't miss it for the world. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Hi : Well, we'll see if it was a legit request first. I'm still waiting for the guy to get back to me. I hope it's not some ultra conservative radio station where I'll get egged in the face. Or maybe that would be the best, cause I'll just egg 'em back. Actually, when the dark side of AA puzzle pieces first fell into place, I did contact a talk show. Montel specifically, cause he talks a lot about addiction and has done shows on helping addicts (usually by sending them into treatment), and also by putting heroin addicts into that miracle cure program where they are anethsetized (sp?), and their systems are cleaned out utilizing some medical procedure, and a black ball is placed under the skin so they can't get high afterwards. I thought that a panel of some of the more voiciferous anti-AA members would make a good show. Peele, Bufe, Ragge, Fransway, me, you, the whole anti crew... Montel didn't call back, but I'm sure that this topic will make its way into mainstream media (and soon I hope) Apple > > AppleDTP@... wrote: > > > > > 2.) I got an e-mail asking if I would do a radio interview. I'm > > waiting for more details. Cool huh? > > > Hi Apple > That is really choice. In fact I think a lot of radio talk show people > are in need of a little viable controversy. I think many of them would > relish doing a whole show on the dark side of AA. On the TV end of it, I > don't think Oprah would go for it with all of her 12 step > nonsensibilities, but I'm sure there would be takers. How about 60 Minutes? > At any rate you must make tapes of your epic exchange available on > AADeprogramming. I wouldn't miss it for the world. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Hi : Well, we'll see if it was a legit request first. I'm still waiting for the guy to get back to me. I hope it's not some ultra conservative radio station where I'll get egged in the face. Or maybe that would be the best, cause I'll just egg 'em back. Actually, when the dark side of AA puzzle pieces first fell into place, I did contact a talk show. Montel specifically, cause he talks a lot about addiction and has done shows on helping addicts (usually by sending them into treatment), and also by putting heroin addicts into that miracle cure program where they are anethsetized (sp?), and their systems are cleaned out utilizing some medical procedure, and a black ball is placed under the skin so they can't get high afterwards. I thought that a panel of some of the more voiciferous anti-AA members would make a good show. Peele, Bufe, Ragge, Fransway, me, you, the whole anti crew... Montel didn't call back, but I'm sure that this topic will make its way into mainstream media (and soon I hope) Apple > > AppleDTP@... wrote: > > > > > 2.) I got an e-mail asking if I would do a radio interview. I'm > > waiting for more details. Cool huh? > > > Hi Apple > That is really choice. In fact I think a lot of radio talk show people > are in need of a little viable controversy. I think many of them would > relish doing a whole show on the dark side of AA. On the TV end of it, I > don't think Oprah would go for it with all of her 12 step > nonsensibilities, but I'm sure there would be takers. How about 60 Minutes? > At any rate you must make tapes of your epic exchange available on > AADeprogramming. I wouldn't miss it for the world. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Hey Apple; Yeah, I'd say I fit that. I live in Republican conservative Iowa, so of course I'm a democrat, the only one in the family. I find I'm critical of things everyone seems to take for granted are good. Like The Pope, he appeased Hitler and sympathized with The Nazi's even helped Eichmann and others escape justice. Knew where Mengle was until his death. Franz Stangl, the Commandante at Birkeneau is another assisted by the vatican to escape. Wal-Mart, uses Japanese indoctrination techniques on employees and us the public, even making employees gather each morning to sing the company song(Honest) I don't go there unless it's something no one else has. Also they fix the store so you are forced to walk by loads of other things to get what you want. Many dead end aisles to make you walk past things twice. All stores that I've been in are laid out with only one straight through aisle. They really don't care if it causes traffic jams. Matter of fact that's the idea, the longer they can keep you on the sales floor the more money you will spend that you didn't intend. If I must go there, I take a list, if it ain't on the list I don't get it. I really would like to make Sam's shitty tricks fail, but one person cannot do that. I can only protect me from him. You get the idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Hi Apple, My therepist told me that almost without fail, those with drinking problems come up as sociopathic. It will be interesting to see if your research bears this out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Hey Apple, folks TV shows can afford plane tickets. See if you can get them to fly me over there! Pete > Hi : > Well, we'll see if it was a legit request first. I'm still waiting for > the guy to get back to me. I hope it's not some ultra conservative > radio station where I'll get egged in the face. Or maybe that would be > the best, cause I'll just egg 'em back. > Actually, when the dark side of AA puzzle pieces first fell into place, > I did contact a talk show. Montel specifically, cause he talks a lot > about addiction and has done shows on helping addicts (usually by > sending them into treatment), and also by putting heroin addicts into > that miracle cure program where they are anethsetized (sp?), and their > systems are cleaned out utilizing some medical procedure, and a black > ball is placed under the skin so they can't get high afterwards. > I thought that a panel of some of the more voiciferous anti-AA members > would make a good show. Peele, Bufe, Ragge, Fransway, me, you, the > whole anti crew... > > Montel didn't call back, but I'm sure that this topic will make its way > into mainstream media (and soon I hope) > Apple > > > > AppleDTP@... wrote: > > > > > > > > 2.) I got an e-mail asking if I would do a radio interview. I'm > > > waiting for more details. Cool huh? > > > > > Hi Apple > > That is really choice. In fact I think a lot of radio talk show people > > are in need of a little viable controversy. I think many of them would > > relish doing a whole show on the dark side of AA. On the TV end of > it, I > > don't think Oprah would go for it with all of her 12 step > > nonsensibilities, but I'm sure there would be takers. How about 60 > Minutes? > > At any rate you must make tapes of your epic exchange available on > > AADeprogramming. I wouldn't miss it for the world. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. > Start with up to 150 Points for joining! > http://clickhere./click/630 > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Pete Watts Owner PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm PD Personality Disorders Discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Dear Apple: Thankyou for your prompt attention to my request for the research data and findings. This is interesting information! At least now I know I am not crazy / abnormal for not surrendering my brain over to stepism dogma. ly, I rather enjoy learning about myself and how my ideas fit with others in this often complicated society and culture in which we live. Talk to you later. Your friend, Re: Hear ye, hear ye! > , it is arriving in about 2 weeks or so. e-mail me your snail mail > address and I'll photocopy it and mail it to you. > apple > > > Hi Apple! > > > > I would like to take a look at a copy of that MMPI that you sent for. > Is it > > possible to secure a copy from you? Appreciate it. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. > Start with up to 150 Points for joining! > http://clickhere./click/630 > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Rose wrote: > Apple, there will be a time when everything comes out. AA and its tactics > and false doctrines need to be exposed and made public (hmmmm...another > " reason " for anonimity; so much of the BB won't stand the light of close > scrutinization). People need to know the truth about the butt doctor and > the womanizer! Yeah , I think the media is starting to weaken in lieu of its protectiveness of AA and its ilk. Recently in the Star they did a story on X-Files star Gillian and made numerous references to her AA attendence even going so far as to give the location of one of the meetings she attended. I think if some of these TV news mags got wind of some of Bill W's indiscretions as well as the Buchmanist roots they would start to smell blood in the water and possibly end up whittling AA down to size and remove its status as sacred cow and the cultural icon it has become. I have a relative who is involved in the media and has actually produced some investigative reporting segments. I will contact him and find out the most appropriate avenue to take as regards this situation. I suspect it would involve contacting various people and supplying them with a comprehensive cover letter, copies of Fransway's, Ragge's, and Gilliam's books, the Email addresses of AADeprogramming and Stanton Peele's Website, and a list of contacts. If the cover letter is clear and thorough, and includes poignant references to the enclosed text, I can't imagine how they would be able to resist such a story. Let's face it the media just loves a wolf in sheep's clothing story.(especially 60 Minutes)It could be the biggest thing for them since exposing Catholic Curch cover ups of involving priests abusing altar boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 There is a DSM V already? Ye gods! Quick, post what it says about alcohol abuse and dependence. <7o91kt$aip-egroups> wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6934 > Hello gang! > 1.) , Kim... you didn't die... you drank, and you didn't die. I'm > going to have special medallions minted and mail one to each of you. > What should the medallions say? Any ideas , oh mighty comic genius? > > 2.) I got an e-mail asking if I would do a radio interview. I'm > waiting for more details. Cool huh? > > 3.) I've ordered the following graduate study dissertation from > University of Southern California. Should be here in a couple of weeks. > Will let you all know what it says: > Study of the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory of Alcoholics > Anonymous Members. " > Wootton, P.R. USC, Los Angeles, 1990. ISSN 0419-4209. > > Apparently, they administered the MMPI to 75 " model " AA members to see > how they rated on mental health. > > I was talking to Augural1 on AOL, (he's one of us, but he doesn't > belong to 12-step-free). We determined that we both fit the > oppositional/defiant personality type as described in the DSM/V. Is > this something we all have in common? What is the psychological bond > that holds us together, the one that brought us here? I remember > , when you first e-mailed me your story, the one I have posted > on AAdeprogramming... you said that you first drank as a boy because > you felt that you were being lied to about alcohol. I think I can say > the same thing with respect to alcohol & drugs, and the same intuitive > force got me out of AA. > > Apple > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 There is a DSM V already? Ye gods! Quick, post what it says about alcohol abuse and dependence. <7o91kt$aip-egroups> wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6934 > Hello gang! > 1.) , Kim... you didn't die... you drank, and you didn't die. I'm > going to have special medallions minted and mail one to each of you. > What should the medallions say? Any ideas , oh mighty comic genius? > > 2.) I got an e-mail asking if I would do a radio interview. I'm > waiting for more details. Cool huh? > > 3.) I've ordered the following graduate study dissertation from > University of Southern California. Should be here in a couple of weeks. > Will let you all know what it says: > Study of the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory of Alcoholics > Anonymous Members. " > Wootton, P.R. USC, Los Angeles, 1990. ISSN 0419-4209. > > Apparently, they administered the MMPI to 75 " model " AA members to see > how they rated on mental health. > > I was talking to Augural1 on AOL, (he's one of us, but he doesn't > belong to 12-step-free). We determined that we both fit the > oppositional/defiant personality type as described in the DSM/V. Is > this something we all have in common? What is the psychological bond > that holds us together, the one that brought us here? I remember > , when you first e-mailed me your story, the one I have posted > on AAdeprogramming... you said that you first drank as a boy because > you felt that you were being lied to about alcohol. I think I can say > the same thing with respect to alcohol & drugs, and the same intuitive > force got me out of AA. > > Apple > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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