Re: Obesity Chart / Attn: Gena

October 27, 2002

Dianne,

That is my point though. You shouldn't go by just a number. Over weight

is when you have too much fat. Under most charts Arnold

Schwartseneger(SP?) is considered obese too but obviously he isn't, he

just has alot of muscle. I am, actually according to most charts I look

at just over weight now instead of " morbidly obese " like I was so that

is good I guess. Whatever charts and stuff say we should just go by

what we see in the mirror and what our other numbers like blood sugar,

blood pressure and cholesterol are. Those are the important ones. My

mom who is skinny has high BP and cholesterol.

Gena

> Gena,

>

> If you have too much muscle though you could still be overweight.

> Thanks .

>

> Dianne

>

>>

>>>

>>> Here is a chart that shows at what point you are obese. Since I'm

> only

>>> 5'

>>> tall mine is 153. That means I have to lose 26 lbs to just be

>>> overweight

>>> and not obese.

>>>

>>> http://www.annecollins.com/weight-loss/obesity-chart.htm

>>>

>>> --

>>> in MO

>>> gran_susan@a...

>>> chat

>>> http://members.hostedscripts.com/chatboard.cgi?user=yesican

>>> Weight loss message board

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>>>

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>>> or over the web

>>>

October 28, 2002

On 10/27/02 5:15 PM, " weightlossbuddies2 "

(Gena) wrote:

> Over weight

> is when you have too much fat. Under most charts Arnold

> Schwartseneger(SP?) is considered obese too but obviously he isn't, he

> just has alot of muscle. I am, actually according to most charts I look

> at just over weight now instead of " morbidly obese " like I was so that

> is good I guess. Whatever charts and stuff say we should just go by

> what we see in the mirror and what our other numbers like blood sugar,

> blood pressure and cholesterol are.

Hi Gena,

You should also check hour waist-hip ratio. Studies show that the waist-hip

ratio is better at predicting future heart disease than BMI (that is your

weight adjusted for height.) Notice: Arnold Schwarzenneger does not have a

large waist compared to his hips....

If your BMI is very high, you are still at risk-- but even more so if your

waist is large compared to your hips.

One problem about obesity: You may not have high blood pressure/sugar etc.

NOW, but you are at risk of developing it.

You can type in your waist and hi here, and it will tell you if the ratio

indicates " low " " medium " or " high " risk:

http://www.thedietdiary.com/diet/healthIndex/ApplePear.html

Lucia

--

lucia@...

Lisle, Illinois

October 28, 2002

On 10/27/02 5:15 PM, " weightlossbuddies2 "

(Gena) wrote:

> Over weight

> is when you have too much fat. Under most charts Arnold

> Schwartseneger(SP?) is considered obese too but obviously he isn't, he

> just has alot of muscle. I am, actually according to most charts I look

> at just over weight now instead of " morbidly obese " like I was so that

> is good I guess. Whatever charts and stuff say we should just go by

> what we see in the mirror and what our other numbers like blood sugar,

> blood pressure and cholesterol are.

Hi Gena,

You should also check hour waist-hip ratio. Studies show that the waist-hip

ratio is better at predicting future heart disease than BMI (that is your

weight adjusted for height.) Notice: Arnold Schwarzenneger does not have a

large waist compared to his hips....

If your BMI is very high, you are still at risk-- but even more so if your

waist is large compared to your hips.

One problem about obesity: You may not have high blood pressure/sugar etc.

NOW, but you are at risk of developing it.

You can type in your waist and hi here, and it will tell you if the ratio

indicates " low " " medium " or " high " risk:

http://www.thedietdiary.com/diet/healthIndex/ApplePear.html

Lucia

--

lucia@...

Lisle, Illinois

October 28, 2002

On 10/27/02 5:15 PM, " weightlossbuddies2 "

(Gena) wrote:

> Over weight

> is when you have too much fat. Under most charts Arnold

> Schwartseneger(SP?) is considered obese too but obviously he isn't, he

> just has alot of muscle. I am, actually according to most charts I look

> at just over weight now instead of " morbidly obese " like I was so that

> is good I guess. Whatever charts and stuff say we should just go by

> what we see in the mirror and what our other numbers like blood sugar,

> blood pressure and cholesterol are.

Hi Gena,

You should also check hour waist-hip ratio. Studies show that the waist-hip

ratio is better at predicting future heart disease than BMI (that is your

weight adjusted for height.) Notice: Arnold Schwarzenneger does not have a

large waist compared to his hips....

If your BMI is very high, you are still at risk-- but even more so if your

waist is large compared to your hips.

One problem about obesity: You may not have high blood pressure/sugar etc.

NOW, but you are at risk of developing it.

You can type in your waist and hi here, and it will tell you if the ratio

indicates " low " " medium " or " high " risk:

http://www.thedietdiary.com/diet/healthIndex/ApplePear.html

Lucia

--

lucia@...

Lisle, Illinois

October 28, 2002

On 10/28/02 1:24 PM, " weightlossbuddies2 " <Gena Grunwald>

wrote:

> Yes, That is true. I was just using Arnold as an example that if you

> just go by a " weight chart " without taking other things into

> consideration even somebody like him would be obese.

I hope it's not sounding like I'm contradicting-- I agree with you. You

can't just read the chart.

I read in the Wall Street Journal that Arnold has a BMI of around 33! That

sounds obese-- and yet obviously, he's not.

I was just trying to provide something quantitative someone can look at.

It's fine to say " look at yourself " -- but people sometimes have distorted

body images. Some think they are fat when they are thin; some think they are

thin when they are fat.

The waist-hip ratio is a good thing to look at-- especially if you're

considering stabilizing your weight goal on the higher side.

Lucia

--

See my weight loss results at:

http://www.thedietdiary.com/diet/myProgress/Results2.html

October 28, 2002

On 10/28/02 1:24 PM, " weightlossbuddies2 " <Gena Grunwald>

wrote:

> Yes, That is true. I was just using Arnold as an example that if you

> just go by a " weight chart " without taking other things into

> consideration even somebody like him would be obese.

I hope it's not sounding like I'm contradicting-- I agree with you. You

can't just read the chart.

I read in the Wall Street Journal that Arnold has a BMI of around 33! That

sounds obese-- and yet obviously, he's not.

I was just trying to provide something quantitative someone can look at.

It's fine to say " look at yourself " -- but people sometimes have distorted

body images. Some think they are fat when they are thin; some think they are

thin when they are fat.

The waist-hip ratio is a good thing to look at-- especially if you're

considering stabilizing your weight goal on the higher side.

Lucia

--

See my weight loss results at:

http://www.thedietdiary.com/diet/myProgress/Results2.html

October 28, 2002

Lucia,

No, I didn't think that at all. It is all great info. That is what I

was trying to say, is charts don't say it all. We have to look at the

whole picture. You brought up some interesting things that made me

think. Especially about the heart disease and intensity compared to

length and what that does for the heart and all that. I appreciate it.

I had not thought of that. I was just wondering about after burn but it

is good to think about the other aspects.

Thanks :-)

Gena

On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 11:35 AM, Lucia Liljegren wrote:

> On 10/28/02 1:24 PM, " weightlossbuddies2 " <Gena

> Grunwald>

> wrote:

>

>> Yes, That is true. I was just using Arnold as an example that if you

>> just go by a " weight chart " without taking other things into

>> consideration even somebody like him would be obese.

>

> I hope it's not sounding like I'm contradicting-- I agree with you.

> You

> can't just read the chart.

>

> I read in the Wall Street Journal that Arnold has a BMI of around 33!

> That

> sounds obese-- and yet obviously, he's not.

>

> I was just trying to provide something quantitative someone can look

> at.

> It's fine to say " look at yourself " -- but people sometimes have

> distorted

> body images. Some think they are fat when they are thin; some think

> they are

> thin when they are fat.

>

> The waist-hip ratio is a good thing to look at-- especially if you're

> considering stabilizing your weight goal on the higher side.

>

> Lucia

>

> --

> See my weight loss results at:

> http://www.thedietdiary.com/diet/myProgress/Results2.html

>

October 28, 2002

Lucia,

No, I didn't think that at all. It is all great info. That is what I

was trying to say, is charts don't say it all. We have to look at the

whole picture. You brought up some interesting things that made me

think. Especially about the heart disease and intensity compared to

length and what that does for the heart and all that. I appreciate it.

I had not thought of that. I was just wondering about after burn but it

is good to think about the other aspects.

Thanks :-)

Gena

On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 11:35 AM, Lucia Liljegren wrote:

> On 10/28/02 1:24 PM, " weightlossbuddies2 " <Gena

> Grunwald>

> wrote:

>

>> Yes, That is true. I was just using Arnold as an example that if you

>> just go by a " weight chart " without taking other things into

>> consideration even somebody like him would be obese.

>

> I hope it's not sounding like I'm contradicting-- I agree with you.

> You

> can't just read the chart.

>

> I read in the Wall Street Journal that Arnold has a BMI of around 33!

> That

> sounds obese-- and yet obviously, he's not.

>

> I was just trying to provide something quantitative someone can look

> at.

> It's fine to say " look at yourself " -- but people sometimes have

> distorted

> body images. Some think they are fat when they are thin; some think

> they are

> thin when they are fat.

>

> The waist-hip ratio is a good thing to look at-- especially if you're

> considering stabilizing your weight goal on the higher side.

>

> Lucia

>

> --

> See my weight loss results at:

> http://www.thedietdiary.com/diet/myProgress/Results2.html

>

October 28, 2002

Dianne

It really isn't very accurate at all. It doesn't take the

differences in peoples bodies to often. It really is only a

guideline to go by and an average of many people.

Arlene

> >

> > >

> > > Here is a chart that shows at what point you are obese. Since

I'm

> only

> > > 5'

> > > tall mine is 153. That means I have to lose 26 lbs to just be

> > > overweight

> > > and not obese.

> > >

> > > http://www.annecollins.com/weight-loss/obesity-chart.htm

> > >

> > > --

> > > in MO

> > > gran_susan@a...

> > > chat

> > > http://members.hostedscripts.com/chatboard.cgi?user=yesican

> > > Weight loss message board

> > > http://www.yesican.i-p.com

> > > Free For all Links- add yours

> > > http://members.hostedscripts.com/ffal.cgi?user=yesican

> > >

> > > --

> > > http://fastmail.fm - Accessible with your email software

> > > or over the web

> > >

October 28, 2002

my hips are a lot larger than my waist. is this thing for deciding

risk of diseases, because saying that a29 waist to a 35 hip is very

high risk and a 29 waist to a 40 hip is moderate and 29 waist to a 42

hip is low. why would someone with such a curvy change be at a lower

risk than someone who maybe a little more slender all around?

> Hi Gena,

>

> You should also check hour waist-hip ratio. Studies show that the

waist-hip

> ratio is better at predicting future heart disease than BMI (that

is your

> weight adjusted for height.) Notice: Arnold Schwarzenneger does

not have a

> large waist compared to his hips....

>

> If your BMI is very high, you are still at risk-- but even more so

if your

> waist is large compared to your hips.

>

> One problem about obesity: You may not have high blood

pressure/sugar etc.

> NOW, but you are at risk of developing it.

>

> You can type in your waist and hi here, and it will tell you if the

ratio

> indicates " low " " medium " or " high " risk:

>

> http://www.thedietdiary.com/diet/healthIndex/ApplePear.html

>

> Lucia

>

> --

> lucia@t...

> Lisle, Illinois

October 28, 2002

,

I didn't look at this chart. Lucia posted that but I do know from

others that what they say is, if you carry your weight in your belly,

like me and if it is over 30 " , you are at higher risk. One figure I

have seen more than once is anything over 30 waist and 40 hips, so that

is my goal. Right now I am 39 waist and 49 hips I think so I have a

ways to go. Hour glass figure is good. You have a lower risk than an

apple shape like me.

Gena

>

> my hips are a lot larger than my waist. is this thing for deciding

> risk of diseases, because saying that a29 waist to a 35 hip is very

> high risk and a 29 waist to a 40 hip is moderate and 29 waist to a 42

> hip is low. why would someone with such a curvy change be at a lower

> risk than someone who maybe a little more slender all around?

>

>> Hi Gena,

>>

>> You should also check hour waist-hip ratio. Studies show that the

> waist-hip

>> ratio is better at predicting future heart disease than BMI (that

> is your

>> weight adjusted for height.) Notice: Arnold Schwarzenneger does

> not have a

>> large waist compared to his hips....

>>

>> If your BMI is very high, you are still at risk-- but even more so

> if your

>> waist is large compared to your hips.

>>

>> One problem about obesity: You may not have high blood

> pressure/sugar etc.

>> NOW, but you are at risk of developing it.

>>

>> You can type in your waist and hi here, and it will tell you if the

> ratio

>> indicates " low " " medium " or " high " risk:

>>

>> http://www.thedietdiary.com/diet/healthIndex/ApplePear.html

>>

>> Lucia

>>

>> --

>> lucia@t...

>> Lisle, Illinois

>

October 28, 2002

i do have that hour glass shape, and currently am a 36/35.5 inch

waist and 42 inch hips. my goal is to be a 30/29 waist and i don't

care about the hips really. that is a wonderful goal. we're almost

exactly on the same page there. i started seriously this year at a

39 inch waist and 49 inch hips. last year i was a 41 inch waist and

i don't remember the hips because like i said i really don't care i

just care about my belly. and honestly i love my shape and my body

in clothes, it's just when i'm not clothed that i do not like my

body. but yes i understand more then. thank you-

-- In weightlossbuddies2@y..., Gena Grunwald <auroragg@m...> wrote:

> ,

> I didn't look at this chart. Lucia posted that but I do know from

> others that what they say is, if you carry your weight in your

belly,

> like me and if it is over 30 " , you are at higher risk. One figure

I

> have seen more than once is anything over 30 waist and 40 hips, so

that

> is my goal. Right now I am 39 waist and 49 hips I think so I have

a

> ways to go. Hour glass figure is good. You have a lower risk than

an

> apple shape like me.

>

> Gena

>

> >

> > my hips are a lot larger than my waist. is this thing for

deciding

> > risk of diseases, because saying that a29 waist to a 35 hip is

very

> > high risk and a 29 waist to a 40 hip is moderate and 29 waist to

a 42

> > hip is low. why would someone with such a curvy change be at a

lower

> > risk than someone who maybe a little more slender all around?

> >

October 28, 2002

hey i am 29 waist and 42 hips....that is good????????????? huh?

Jacy

-- Re: Obesity Chart / Attn: Gena

my hips are a lot larger than my waist. is this thing for deciding

risk of diseases, because saying that a29 waist to a 35 hip is very

high risk and a 29 waist to a 40 hip is moderate and 29 waist to a 42

hip is low. why would someone with such a curvy change be at a lower

risk than someone who maybe a little more slender all around?

> Hi Gena,

>

> You should also check hour waist-hip ratio. Studies show that the

waist-hip

> ratio is better at predicting future heart disease than BMI (that

is your

> weight adjusted for height.) Notice: Arnold Schwarzenneger does

not have a

> large waist compared to his hips....

>

> If your BMI is very high, you are still at risk-- but even more so

if your

> waist is large compared to your hips.

>

> One problem about obesity: You may not have high blood

pressure/sugar etc.

> NOW, but you are at risk of developing it.

>

> You can type in your waist and hi here, and it will tell you if the

ratio

> indicates " low " " medium " or " high " risk:

>

> http://www.thedietdiary.com/diet/healthIndex/ApplePear.html

>

> Lucia

>

> --

> lucia@t...

> Lisle, Illinois

October 28, 2002

hey i am 29 waist and 42 hips....that is good????????????? huh?

Jacy

-- Re: Obesity Chart / Attn: Gena

my hips are a lot larger than my waist. is this thing for deciding

risk of diseases, because saying that a29 waist to a 35 hip is very

high risk and a 29 waist to a 40 hip is moderate and 29 waist to a 42

hip is low. why would someone with such a curvy change be at a lower

risk than someone who maybe a little more slender all around?

> Hi Gena,

>

> You should also check hour waist-hip ratio. Studies show that the

waist-hip

> ratio is better at predicting future heart disease than BMI (that

is your

> weight adjusted for height.) Notice: Arnold Schwarzenneger does

not have a

> large waist compared to his hips....

>

> If your BMI is very high, you are still at risk-- but even more so

if your

> waist is large compared to your hips.

>

> One problem about obesity: You may not have high blood

pressure/sugar etc.

> NOW, but you are at risk of developing it.

>

> You can type in your waist and hi here, and it will tell you if the

ratio

> indicates " low " " medium " or " high " risk:

>

> http://www.thedietdiary.com/diet/healthIndex/ApplePear.html

>

> Lucia

>

> --

> lucia@t...

> Lisle, Illinois

October 28, 2002

hey i am 29 waist and 42 hips....that is good????????????? huh?

Jacy

-- Re: Obesity Chart / Attn: Gena

my hips are a lot larger than my waist. is this thing for deciding

risk of diseases, because saying that a29 waist to a 35 hip is very

high risk and a 29 waist to a 40 hip is moderate and 29 waist to a 42

hip is low. why would someone with such a curvy change be at a lower

risk than someone who maybe a little more slender all around?

> Hi Gena,

>

> You should also check hour waist-hip ratio. Studies show that the

waist-hip

> ratio is better at predicting future heart disease than BMI (that

is your

> weight adjusted for height.) Notice: Arnold Schwarzenneger does

not have a

> large waist compared to his hips....

>

> If your BMI is very high, you are still at risk-- but even more so

if your

> waist is large compared to your hips.

>

> One problem about obesity: You may not have high blood

pressure/sugar etc.

> NOW, but you are at risk of developing it.

>

> You can type in your waist and hi here, and it will tell you if the

ratio

> indicates " low " " medium " or " high " risk:

>

> http://www.thedietdiary.com/diet/healthIndex/ApplePear.html

>

> Lucia

>

> --

> lucia@t...

> Lisle, Illinois

October 28, 2002

Well, with Lucia's chart I am very high. I had to measure myself

quickly and I have definetely lost inches! A few weeks ago.. will

have to see if I have the date written on anything around here.. I

was 48-44-48.. just now I measured 47-1/2-43-47. I know I have lost

in the butt area. I knew that. LOL Wow.. that is great to see. I

think I am only down a total of 6 lbs. I was yo-yoing up and down in

wieght and Gena told me too that one weight I got after a workout may

not be correct because you lose from dehydration. I have been still

doing pretty good with my eating but boy did I feel hungry late this

evening, but then I only had 3 very small fishsticks with some

stirfried vegetables for dinner. I actually had some tomato juice

and a half sandwich with just a slice of salami on it not too long

ago. Maybe I can make up for it tomorrow?

Dianne

-- In weightlossbuddies2@y..., Gena Grunwald <auroragg@m...> wrote:

> ,

> I didn't look at this chart. Lucia posted that but I do know from

> others that what they say is, if you carry your weight in your

belly,

> like me and if it is over 30 " , you are at higher risk. One figure

I

> have seen more than once is anything over 30 waist and 40 hips, so

that

> is my goal. Right now I am 39 waist and 49 hips I think so I have

a

> ways to go. Hour glass figure is good. You have a lower risk than

an

> apple shape like me.

>

> Gena

>

> >

> > my hips are a lot larger than my waist. is this thing for

deciding

> > risk of diseases, because saying that a29 waist to a 35 hip is

very

> > high risk and a 29 waist to a 40 hip is moderate and 29 waist to

a 42

> > hip is low. why would someone with such a curvy change be at a

lower

> > risk than someone who maybe a little more slender all around?

> >

> >> Hi Gena,

> >>

> >> You should also check hour waist-hip ratio. Studies show that

the

> > waist-hip

> >> ratio is better at predicting future heart disease than BMI (that

> > is your

> >> weight adjusted for height.) Notice: Arnold Schwarzenneger does

> > not have a

> >> large waist compared to his hips....

> >>

> >> If your BMI is very high, you are still at risk-- but even more

so

> > if your

> >> waist is large compared to your hips.

> >>

> >> One problem about obesity: You may not have high blood

> > pressure/sugar etc.

> >> NOW, but you are at risk of developing it.

> >>

> >> You can type in your waist and hi here, and it will tell you if

the

> > ratio

> >> indicates " low " " medium " or " high " risk:

> >>

> >> http://www.thedietdiary.com/diet/healthIndex/ApplePear.html

> >>

> >> Lucia

> >>

> >> --

> >> lucia@t...

> >> Lisle, Illinois

> >

October 28, 2002