Re: Cast your vote (was 12-step-free digest)

[Guest guest]

> > Please cast your vote... " subtle AA logo " or " brainwashed guy " .

>

> Apple

>

>Subtle logo. I s the aa logo copywrited?

[Guest guest]

> > Please cast your vote... " subtle AA logo " or " brainwashed guy " .

>

> Apple

>

>Subtle logo. I s the aa logo copywrited?

[Guest guest]

wrose-@... wrote:

subtle AA

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7946

> I've contacted a label company for a price quote, but the project

might

> be completed only AFTER I come back from vacation. (at the end of

> september).

>

> I need a group vote... I have two designs in mind:

>

> Both of them will have the same text

> " The dark side of Alcoholics Anonymous revealed!

> www.AAdeprogramming.com

> (Shhhhh.... don't let your sponsor find out)

>

> One design has the AA circle and triangle, with the double " A " s in the

> middle. At first glance it looks like an AA decal. But thre is one

> line of text (there are three), for each side of the triangle.

>

> The other design, has the brainwashed AA guy (from the site) coming

out

> of the AA zone. The same text will appear in an appropriately

> decorative typeface.

>

> Please cast your vote... " subtle AA logo " or " brainwashed guy " .

>

> Apple

>

>

> > >Hi there... I've decided on decals that are hard to peel off. They

> can

> > >be placed in Big Books, other recovery books and on phone booths

> > >outside of meetings.

> > >Apple

> >

> > " hard to peel off " - apple, you continue to kill me. Man, that's

> funny.

> > Yes! That will be super cool. Please give us a preview as to the

> text that

> > will be on them.

> >

> > Oooo. I just thought of some recovery clubs that could use a

little

> > late-night " decorating " MMMMMmmmmwahahahahahahah... Oh I feel alive.

> >

> >

> > Laterz,

> >

> > Alan Ro...er... I mean... from Nebraska...yeah, that's

> the

> > ticket...

> >

> > ______________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

wrose-@... wrote:

subtle AA

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7946

> I've contacted a label company for a price quote, but the project

might

> be completed only AFTER I come back from vacation. (at the end of

> september).

>

> I need a group vote... I have two designs in mind:

>

> Both of them will have the same text

> " The dark side of Alcoholics Anonymous revealed!

> www.AAdeprogramming.com

> (Shhhhh.... don't let your sponsor find out)

>

> One design has the AA circle and triangle, with the double " A " s in the

> middle. At first glance it looks like an AA decal. But thre is one

> line of text (there are three), for each side of the triangle.

>

> The other design, has the brainwashed AA guy (from the site) coming

out

> of the AA zone. The same text will appear in an appropriately

> decorative typeface.

>

> Please cast your vote... " subtle AA logo " or " brainwashed guy " .

>

> Apple

>

>

> > >Hi there... I've decided on decals that are hard to peel off. They

> can

> > >be placed in Big Books, other recovery books and on phone booths

> > >outside of meetings.

> > >Apple

> >

> > " hard to peel off " - apple, you continue to kill me. Man, that's

> funny.

> > Yes! That will be super cool. Please give us a preview as to the

> text that

> > will be on them.

> >

> > Oooo. I just thought of some recovery clubs that could use a

little

> > late-night " decorating " MMMMMmmmmwahahahahahahah... Oh I feel alive.

> >

> >

> > Laterz,

> >

> > Alan Ro...er... I mean... from Nebraska...yeah, that's

> the

> > ticket...

> >

> > ______________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

wrose-@... wrote:

subtle AA

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7946

> I've contacted a label company for a price quote, but the project

might

> be completed only AFTER I come back from vacation. (at the end of

> september).

>

> I need a group vote... I have two designs in mind:

>

> Both of them will have the same text

> " The dark side of Alcoholics Anonymous revealed!

> www.AAdeprogramming.com

> (Shhhhh.... don't let your sponsor find out)

>

> One design has the AA circle and triangle, with the double " A " s in the

> middle. At first glance it looks like an AA decal. But thre is one

> line of text (there are three), for each side of the triangle.

>

> The other design, has the brainwashed AA guy (from the site) coming

out

> of the AA zone. The same text will appear in an appropriately

> decorative typeface.

>

> Please cast your vote... " subtle AA logo " or " brainwashed guy " .

>

> Apple

>

>

> > >Hi there... I've decided on decals that are hard to peel off. They

> can

> > >be placed in Big Books, other recovery books and on phone booths

> > >outside of meetings.

> > >Apple

> >

> > " hard to peel off " - apple, you continue to kill me. Man, that's

> funny.

> > Yes! That will be super cool. Please give us a preview as to the

> text that

> > will be on them.

> >

> > Oooo. I just thought of some recovery clubs that could use a

little

> > late-night " decorating " MMMMMmmmmwahahahahahahah... Oh I feel alive.

> >

> >

> > Laterz,

> >

> > Alan Ro...er... I mean... from Nebraska...yeah, that's

> the

> > ticket...

> >

> > ______________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

For your safety, I must vote for the " brainwashed guy. " I think the AA

circle/triangle with the AA in the middle is protected by copyright

(held by GSO) and with your website printed right on it, they would

have no trouble tracking you down and suing for copyright violation. If

the " brainwashed guy " on your site is your original creation, you

automatically hold the copyright to it and can use it as you see fit,

or designate it as " copyfree " if you wish.

Kate

> I need a group vote... I have two designs in mind:

>

> Both of them will have the same text

> " The dark side of Alcoholics Anonymous revealed!

> www.AAdeprogramming.com

> (Shhhhh.... don't let your sponsor find out)

>

> One design has the AA circle and triangle, with the double " A " s in the

> middle. At first glance it looks like an AA decal. But thre is one

> line of text (there are three), for each side of the triangle.

>

> The other design, has the brainwashed AA guy (from the site) coming

out

> of the AA zone. The same text will appear in an appropriately

> decorative typeface.

>

> Please cast your vote... " subtle AA logo " or " brainwashed guy " .

>

> Apple

>

>

> > >Hi there... I've decided on decals that are hard to peel off. They

> can

> > >be placed in Big Books, other recovery books and on phone booths

> > >outside of meetings.

> > >Apple

> >

> > " hard to peel off " - apple, you continue to kill me. Man, that's

> funny.

> > Yes! That will be super cool. Please give us a preview as to the

> text that

> > will be on them.

> >

> > Oooo. I just thought of some recovery clubs that could use a

little

> > late-night " decorating " MMMMMmmmmwahahahahahahah... Oh I feel alive.

> >

> >

> > Laterz,

> >

> > Alan Ro...er... I mean... from Nebraska...yeah, that's

> the

> > ticket...

> >

> > ______________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

For your safety, I must vote for the " brainwashed guy. " I think the AA

circle/triangle with the AA in the middle is protected by copyright

(held by GSO) and with your website printed right on it, they would

have no trouble tracking you down and suing for copyright violation. If

the " brainwashed guy " on your site is your original creation, you

automatically hold the copyright to it and can use it as you see fit,

or designate it as " copyfree " if you wish.

Kate

> I need a group vote... I have two designs in mind:

>

> Both of them will have the same text

> " The dark side of Alcoholics Anonymous revealed!

> www.AAdeprogramming.com

> (Shhhhh.... don't let your sponsor find out)

>

> One design has the AA circle and triangle, with the double " A " s in the

> middle. At first glance it looks like an AA decal. But thre is one

> line of text (there are three), for each side of the triangle.

>

> The other design, has the brainwashed AA guy (from the site) coming

out

> of the AA zone. The same text will appear in an appropriately

> decorative typeface.

>

> Please cast your vote... " subtle AA logo " or " brainwashed guy " .

>

> Apple

>

>

> > >Hi there... I've decided on decals that are hard to peel off. They

> can

> > >be placed in Big Books, other recovery books and on phone booths

> > >outside of meetings.

> > >Apple

> >

> > " hard to peel off " - apple, you continue to kill me. Man, that's

> funny.

> > Yes! That will be super cool. Please give us a preview as to the

> text that

> > will be on them.

> >

> > Oooo. I just thought of some recovery clubs that could use a

little

> > late-night " decorating " MMMMMmmmmwahahahahahahah... Oh I feel alive.

> >

> >

> > Laterz,

> >

> > Alan Ro...er... I mean... from Nebraska...yeah, that's

> the

> > ticket...

> >

> > ______________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

wrose-@... wrote:

That's an interesting question-would AA sue anybody?

Doesn't that violate a tradition or step??

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7951

> For your safety, I must vote for the " brainwashed guy. " I think the AA

> circle/triangle with the AA in the middle is protected by copyright

> (held by GSO) and with your website printed right on it, they would

> have no trouble tracking you down and suing for copyright violation.

If

> the " brainwashed guy " on your site is your original creation, you

> automatically hold the copyright to it and can use it as you see fit,

> or designate it as " copyfree " if you wish.

>

> Kate

>

> > I need a group vote... I have two designs in mind:

> >

> > Both of them will have the same text

> > " The dark side of Alcoholics Anonymous revealed!

> > www.AAdeprogramming.com

> > (Shhhhh.... don't let your sponsor find out)

> >

> > One design has the AA circle and triangle, with the double " A " s in

the

> > middle. At first glance it looks like an AA decal. But thre is one

> > line of text (there are three), for each side of the triangle.

> >

> > The other design, has the brainwashed AA guy (from the site) coming

> out

> > of the AA zone. The same text will appear in an appropriately

> > decorative typeface.

> >

> > Please cast your vote... " subtle AA logo " or " brainwashed guy " .

> >

> > Apple

> >

> >

> > > >Hi there... I've decided on decals that are hard to peel off.

They

> > can

> > > >be placed in Big Books, other recovery books and on phone booths

> > > >outside of meetings.

> > > >Apple

> > >

> > > " hard to peel off " - apple, you continue to kill me. Man, that's

> > funny.

> > > Yes! That will be super cool. Please give us a preview as to the

> > text that

> > > will be on them.

> > >

> > > Oooo. I just thought of some recovery clubs that could use a

> little

> > > late-night " decorating " MMMMMmmmmwahahahahahahah... Oh I feel

alive.

> > >

> > >

> > > Laterz,

> > >

> > > Alan Ro...er... I mean... from Nebraska...yeah, that's

> > the

> > > ticket...

> > >

> > > ______________________________________________________

> >

>

[Guest guest]

wrose-@... wrote:

That's an interesting question-would AA sue anybody?

Doesn't that violate a tradition or step??

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7951

> For your safety, I must vote for the " brainwashed guy. " I think the AA

> circle/triangle with the AA in the middle is protected by copyright

> (held by GSO) and with your website printed right on it, they would

> have no trouble tracking you down and suing for copyright violation.

If

> the " brainwashed guy " on your site is your original creation, you

> automatically hold the copyright to it and can use it as you see fit,

> or designate it as " copyfree " if you wish.

>

> Kate

>

> > I need a group vote... I have two designs in mind:

> >

> > Both of them will have the same text

> > " The dark side of Alcoholics Anonymous revealed!

> > www.AAdeprogramming.com

> > (Shhhhh.... don't let your sponsor find out)

> >

> > One design has the AA circle and triangle, with the double " A " s in

the

> > middle. At first glance it looks like an AA decal. But thre is one

> > line of text (there are three), for each side of the triangle.

> >

> > The other design, has the brainwashed AA guy (from the site) coming

> out

> > of the AA zone. The same text will appear in an appropriately

> > decorative typeface.

> >

> > Please cast your vote... " subtle AA logo " or " brainwashed guy " .

> >

> > Apple

> >

> >

> > > >Hi there... I've decided on decals that are hard to peel off.

They

> > can

> > > >be placed in Big Books, other recovery books and on phone booths

> > > >outside of meetings.

> > > >Apple

> > >

> > > " hard to peel off " - apple, you continue to kill me. Man, that's

> > funny.

> > > Yes! That will be super cool. Please give us a preview as to the

> > text that

> > > will be on them.

> > >

> > > Oooo. I just thought of some recovery clubs that could use a

> little

> > > late-night " decorating " MMMMMmmmmwahahahahahahah... Oh I feel

alive.

> > >

> > >

> > > Laterz,

> > >

> > > Alan Ro...er... I mean... from Nebraska...yeah, that's

> > the

> > > ticket...

> > >

> > > ______________________________________________________

> >

>

[Guest guest]

wrose-@... wrote:

That's an interesting question-would AA sue anybody?

Doesn't that violate a tradition or step??

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7951

> For your safety, I must vote for the " brainwashed guy. " I think the AA

> circle/triangle with the AA in the middle is protected by copyright

> (held by GSO) and with your website printed right on it, they would

> have no trouble tracking you down and suing for copyright violation.

If

> the " brainwashed guy " on your site is your original creation, you

> automatically hold the copyright to it and can use it as you see fit,

> or designate it as " copyfree " if you wish.

>

> Kate

>

> > I need a group vote... I have two designs in mind:

> >

> > Both of them will have the same text

> > " The dark side of Alcoholics Anonymous revealed!

> > www.AAdeprogramming.com

> > (Shhhhh.... don't let your sponsor find out)

> >

> > One design has the AA circle and triangle, with the double " A " s in

the

> > middle. At first glance it looks like an AA decal. But thre is one

> > line of text (there are three), for each side of the triangle.

> >

> > The other design, has the brainwashed AA guy (from the site) coming

> out

> > of the AA zone. The same text will appear in an appropriately

> > decorative typeface.

> >

> > Please cast your vote... " subtle AA logo " or " brainwashed guy " .

> >

> > Apple

> >

> >

> > > >Hi there... I've decided on decals that are hard to peel off.

They

> > can

> > > >be placed in Big Books, other recovery books and on phone booths

> > > >outside of meetings.

> > > >Apple

> > >

> > > " hard to peel off " - apple, you continue to kill me. Man, that's

> > funny.

> > > Yes! That will be super cool. Please give us a preview as to the

> > text that

> > > will be on them.

> > >

> > > Oooo. I just thought of some recovery clubs that could use a

> little

> > > late-night " decorating " MMMMMmmmmwahahahahahahah... Oh I feel

alive.

> > >

> > >

> > > Laterz,

> > >

> > > Alan Ro...er... I mean... from Nebraska...yeah, that's

> > the

> > > ticket...

> > >

> > > ______________________________________________________

> >

>

[Guest guest]

AppleDTP@... writes:

> Please cast your vote... " subtle AA logo " or " brainwashed guy " .

Personally, I prefer subtlety.

[Guest guest]

Nope, no step or tradition violation involved. GSO is a business

organization and you can bet they'll sue. Having, regrettably, been

involved in AA politics, I can assure you that this kind of use of one

of the few things they actually have copyrighted will arouse the masses

and that although it will take a long time to go through the mill, I am

fairly certian that they would persue legal action.

Kate

> wrose-@... wrote:

>

> That's an interesting question-would AA sue anybody?

>

> Doesn't that violate a tradition or step??

>

>

> original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7951

> > For your safety, I must vote for the " brainwashed guy. " I think the

AA

> > circle/triangle with the AA in the middle is protected by copyright

> > (held by GSO) and with your website printed right on it, they would

> > have no trouble tracking you down and suing for copyright violation.

> If

> > the " brainwashed guy " on your site is your original creation, you

> > automatically hold the copyright to it and can use it as you see

fit,

> > or designate it as " copyfree " if you wish.

> >

> > Kate

> >

[Guest guest]

Nope, no step or tradition violation involved. GSO is a business

organization and you can bet they'll sue. Having, regrettably, been

involved in AA politics, I can assure you that this kind of use of one

of the few things they actually have copyrighted will arouse the masses

and that although it will take a long time to go through the mill, I am

fairly certian that they would persue legal action.

Kate

> wrose-@... wrote:

>

> That's an interesting question-would AA sue anybody?

>

> Doesn't that violate a tradition or step??

>

>

> original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7951

> > For your safety, I must vote for the " brainwashed guy. " I think the

AA

> > circle/triangle with the AA in the middle is protected by copyright

> > (held by GSO) and with your website printed right on it, they would

> > have no trouble tracking you down and suing for copyright violation.

> If

> > the " brainwashed guy " on your site is your original creation, you

> > automatically hold the copyright to it and can use it as you see

fit,

> > or designate it as " copyfree " if you wish.

> >

> > Kate

> >

[Guest guest]

Nope, no step or tradition violation involved. GSO is a business

organization and you can bet they'll sue. Having, regrettably, been

involved in AA politics, I can assure you that this kind of use of one

of the few things they actually have copyrighted will arouse the masses

and that although it will take a long time to go through the mill, I am

fairly certian that they would persue legal action.

Kate

> wrose-@... wrote:

>

> That's an interesting question-would AA sue anybody?

>

> Doesn't that violate a tradition or step??

>

>

> original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7951

> > For your safety, I must vote for the " brainwashed guy. " I think the

AA

> > circle/triangle with the AA in the middle is protected by copyright

> > (held by GSO) and with your website printed right on it, they would

> > have no trouble tracking you down and suing for copyright violation.

> If

> > the " brainwashed guy " on your site is your original creation, you

> > automatically hold the copyright to it and can use it as you see

fit,

> > or designate it as " copyfree " if you wish.

> >

> > Kate

> >

[Guest guest]

Tradition Ten is what the GSO is always hiding behind:

" Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA

name ought never be drawn into public controversy. "

I would think Tradition Eleven would be broken if AA sued anyone:

" Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than

promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of

press, radio, and films. "

Tradition Twelve places AA on the pedestal, making them Holier than

Thou, or making them too good to sue anyone:

" Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of our traditions, ever

reminding us to place principles before personalities. "

> wrose-@... wrote:

>

> That's an interesting question-would AA sue anybody?

>

> Doesn't that violate a tradition or step??

>

>

> original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7951

> > For your safety, I must vote for the " brainwashed guy. " I think the

AA

> > circle/triangle with the AA in the middle is protected by copyright

> > (held by GSO) and with your website printed right on it, they would

> > have no trouble tracking you down and suing for copyright violation.

> If

> > the " brainwashed guy " on your site is your original creation, you

> > automatically hold the copyright to it and can use it as you see

fit,

> > or designate it as " copyfree " if you wish.

> >

> > Kate

> >

> > > I need a group vote... I have two designs in mind:

> > >

> > > Both of them will have the same text

> > > " The dark side of Alcoholics Anonymous revealed!

> > > www.AAdeprogramming.com

> > > (Shhhhh.... don't let your sponsor find out)

> > >

> > > One design has the AA circle and triangle, with the double " A " s in

> the

> > > middle. At first glance it looks like an AA decal. But thre is

one

> > > line of text (there are three), for each side of the triangle.

> > >

> > > The other design, has the brainwashed AA guy (from the site)

coming

> > out

> > > of the AA zone. The same text will appear in an appropriately

> > > decorative typeface.

> > >

> > > Please cast your vote... " subtle AA logo " or " brainwashed guy " .

> > >

> > > Apple

> > >

> > >

> > > > >Hi there... I've decided on decals that are hard to peel off.

> They

> > > can

> > > > >be placed in Big Books, other recovery books and on phone

booths

> > > > >outside of meetings.

> > > > >Apple

> > > >

> > > > " hard to peel off " - apple, you continue to kill me. Man,

that's

> > > funny.

> > > > Yes! That will be super cool. Please give us a preview as to

the

> > > text that

> > > > will be on them.

> > > >

> > > > Oooo. I just thought of some recovery clubs that could use a

> > little

> > > > late-night " decorating " MMMMMmmmmwahahahahahahah... Oh I feel

> alive.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Laterz,

> > > >

> > > > Alan Ro...er... I mean... from Nebraska...yeah,

that's

> > > the

> > > > ticket...

> > > >

> > > > ______________________________________________________

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Tradition Ten is what the GSO is always hiding behind:

" Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA

name ought never be drawn into public controversy. "

I would think Tradition Eleven would be broken if AA sued anyone:

" Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than

promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of

press, radio, and films. "

Tradition Twelve places AA on the pedestal, making them Holier than

Thou, or making them too good to sue anyone:

" Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of our traditions, ever

reminding us to place principles before personalities. "

> wrose-@... wrote:

>

> That's an interesting question-would AA sue anybody?

>

> Doesn't that violate a tradition or step??

>

>

> original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7951

> > For your safety, I must vote for the " brainwashed guy. " I think the

AA

> > circle/triangle with the AA in the middle is protected by copyright

> > (held by GSO) and with your website printed right on it, they would

> > have no trouble tracking you down and suing for copyright violation.

> If

> > the " brainwashed guy " on your site is your original creation, you

> > automatically hold the copyright to it and can use it as you see

fit,

> > or designate it as " copyfree " if you wish.

> >

> > Kate

> >

> > > I need a group vote... I have two designs in mind:

> > >

> > > Both of them will have the same text

> > > " The dark side of Alcoholics Anonymous revealed!

> > > www.AAdeprogramming.com

> > > (Shhhhh.... don't let your sponsor find out)

> > >

> > > One design has the AA circle and triangle, with the double " A " s in

> the

> > > middle. At first glance it looks like an AA decal. But thre is

one

> > > line of text (there are three), for each side of the triangle.

> > >

> > > The other design, has the brainwashed AA guy (from the site)

coming

> > out

> > > of the AA zone. The same text will appear in an appropriately

> > > decorative typeface.

> > >

> > > Please cast your vote... " subtle AA logo " or " brainwashed guy " .

> > >

> > > Apple

> > >

> > >

> > > > >Hi there... I've decided on decals that are hard to peel off.

> They

> > > can

> > > > >be placed in Big Books, other recovery books and on phone

booths

> > > > >outside of meetings.

> > > > >Apple

> > > >

> > > > " hard to peel off " - apple, you continue to kill me. Man,

that's

> > > funny.

> > > > Yes! That will be super cool. Please give us a preview as to

the

> > > text that

> > > > will be on them.

> > > >

> > > > Oooo. I just thought of some recovery clubs that could use a

> > little

> > > > late-night " decorating " MMMMMmmmmwahahahahahahah... Oh I feel

> alive.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Laterz,

> > > >

> > > > Alan Ro...er... I mean... from Nebraska...yeah,

that's

> > > the

> > > > ticket...

> > > >

> > > > ______________________________________________________

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Tradition Ten is what the GSO is always hiding behind:

" Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA

name ought never be drawn into public controversy. "

I would think Tradition Eleven would be broken if AA sued anyone:

" Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than

promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of

press, radio, and films. "

Tradition Twelve places AA on the pedestal, making them Holier than

Thou, or making them too good to sue anyone:

" Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of our traditions, ever

reminding us to place principles before personalities. "

> wrose-@... wrote:

>

> That's an interesting question-would AA sue anybody?

>

> Doesn't that violate a tradition or step??

>

>

> original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7951

> > For your safety, I must vote for the " brainwashed guy. " I think the

AA

> > circle/triangle with the AA in the middle is protected by copyright

> > (held by GSO) and with your website printed right on it, they would

> > have no trouble tracking you down and suing for copyright violation.

> If

> > the " brainwashed guy " on your site is your original creation, you

> > automatically hold the copyright to it and can use it as you see

fit,

> > or designate it as " copyfree " if you wish.

> >

> > Kate

> >

> > > I need a group vote... I have two designs in mind:

> > >

> > > Both of them will have the same text

> > > " The dark side of Alcoholics Anonymous revealed!

> > > www.AAdeprogramming.com

> > > (Shhhhh.... don't let your sponsor find out)

> > >

> > > One design has the AA circle and triangle, with the double " A " s in

> the

> > > middle. At first glance it looks like an AA decal. But thre is

one

> > > line of text (there are three), for each side of the triangle.

> > >

> > > The other design, has the brainwashed AA guy (from the site)

coming

> > out

> > > of the AA zone. The same text will appear in an appropriately

> > > decorative typeface.

> > >

> > > Please cast your vote... " subtle AA logo " or " brainwashed guy " .

> > >

> > > Apple

> > >

> > >

> > > > >Hi there... I've decided on decals that are hard to peel off.

> They

> > > can

> > > > >be placed in Big Books, other recovery books and on phone

booths

> > > > >outside of meetings.

> > > > >Apple

> > > >

> > > > " hard to peel off " - apple, you continue to kill me. Man,

that's

> > > funny.

> > > > Yes! That will be super cool. Please give us a preview as to

the

> > > text that

> > > > will be on them.

> > > >

> > > > Oooo. I just thought of some recovery clubs that could use a

> > little

> > > > late-night " decorating " MMMMMmmmmwahahahahahahah... Oh I feel

> alive.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Laterz,

> > > >

> > > > Alan Ro...er... I mean... from Nebraska...yeah,

that's

> > > the

> > > > ticket...

> > > >

> > > > ______________________________________________________

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I dunno... who cares... shhhhhhh.....

Apple

>

> > > Please cast your vote... " subtle AA logo " or " brainwashed guy " .

> >

> > Apple

> >

> >Subtle logo. I s the aa logo copywrited?

>

[Guest guest]

I dunno... who cares... shhhhhhh.....

Apple

>

> > > Please cast your vote... " subtle AA logo " or " brainwashed guy " .

> >

> > Apple

> >

> >Subtle logo. I s the aa logo copywrited?

>

[Guest guest]

The brainwashed guy has a triangle on his forehead too.. I wonder if

that version is copyrighted... Maybe I could do a similar, but

slightly different AA triangle to avoid any possible legal problems.

Apple

appledt-@... wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7951

> For your safety, I must vote for the " brainwashed guy. " I think the AA

> circle/triangle with the AA in the middle is protected by copyright

> (held by GSO) and with your website printed right on it, they would

> have no trouble tracking you down and suing for copyright violation.

If

> the " brainwashed guy " on your site is your original creation, you

> automatically hold the copyright to it and can use it as you see fit,

> or designate it as " copyfree " if you wish.

>

> Kate

[Guest guest]

The brainwashed guy has a triangle on his forehead too.. I wonder if

that version is copyrighted... Maybe I could do a similar, but

slightly different AA triangle to avoid any possible legal problems.

Apple

appledt-@... wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7951

> For your safety, I must vote for the " brainwashed guy. " I think the AA

> circle/triangle with the AA in the middle is protected by copyright

> (held by GSO) and with your website printed right on it, they would

> have no trouble tracking you down and suing for copyright violation.

If

> the " brainwashed guy " on your site is your original creation, you

> automatically hold the copyright to it and can use it as you see fit,

> or designate it as " copyfree " if you wish.

>

> Kate

[Guest guest]

The brainwashed guy has a triangle on his forehead too.. I wonder if

that version is copyrighted... Maybe I could do a similar, but

slightly different AA triangle to avoid any possible legal problems.

Apple

appledt-@... wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7951

> For your safety, I must vote for the " brainwashed guy. " I think the AA

> circle/triangle with the AA in the middle is protected by copyright

> (held by GSO) and with your website printed right on it, they would

> have no trouble tracking you down and suing for copyright violation.

If

> the " brainwashed guy " on your site is your original creation, you

> automatically hold the copyright to it and can use it as you see fit,

> or designate it as " copyfree " if you wish.

>

> Kate

[Guest guest]

wrose-@... wrote:

V.,

Good points. I was involved with AA for 15 years at level EXCEPT

dealing with the GSO directly. I knew it was addressed in some way.

I know also of many instances where people have willed money to AA and

it was *publicly* not accepted. I'm a little foggy on the details.

I'm trying to forget a lot things!!

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7954

>

> Tradition Ten is what the GSO is always hiding behind:

> " Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA

> name ought never be drawn into public controversy. "

>

> I would think Tradition Eleven would be broken if AA sued anyone:

> " Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than

> promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of

> press, radio, and films. "

>

> Tradition Twelve places AA on the pedestal, making them Holier than

> Thou, or making them too good to sue anyone:

> " Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of our traditions, ever

> reminding us to place principles before personalities. "

>

>

>

> > wrose-@... wrote:

> >

> > That's an interesting question-would AA sue anybody?

> >

> > Doesn't that violate a tradition or step??

> >

> >

> > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7

951

> > > For your safety, I must vote for the " brainwashed guy. " I think

the

> AA

> > > circle/triangle with the AA in the middle is protected by

copyright

> > > (held by GSO) and with your website printed right on it, they

would

> > > have no trouble tracking you down and suing for copyright

violation.

> > If

> > > the " brainwashed guy " on your site is your original creation, you

> > > automatically hold the copyright to it and can use it as you see

> fit,

> > > or designate it as " copyfree " if you wish.

> > >

> > > Kate

> > >

> > > > I need a group vote... I have two designs in mind:

> > > >

> > > > Both of them will have the same text

> > > > " The dark side of Alcoholics Anonymous revealed!

> > > > www.AAdeprogramming.com

> > > > (Shhhhh.... don't let your sponsor find out)

> > > >

> > > > One design has the AA circle and triangle, with the double " A " s

in

> > the

> > > > middle. At first glance it looks like an AA decal. But thre is

> one

> > > > line of text (there are three), for each side of the triangle.

> > > >

> > > > The other design, has the brainwashed AA guy (from the site)

> coming

> > > out

> > > > of the AA zone. The same text will appear in an appropriately

> > > > decorative typeface.

> > > >

> > > > Please cast your vote... " subtle AA logo " or " brainwashed guy " .

> > > >

> > > > Apple

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >Hi there... I've decided on decals that are hard to peel off.

> > They

> > > > can

> > > > > >be placed in Big Books, other recovery books and on phone

> booths

> > > > > >outside of meetings.

> > > > > >Apple

> > > > >

> > > > > " hard to peel off " - apple, you continue to kill me. Man,

> that's

> > > > funny.

> > > > > Yes! That will be super cool. Please give us a preview as to

> the

> > > > text that

> > > > > will be on them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Oooo. I just thought of some recovery clubs that could use a

> > > little

> > > > > late-night " decorating " MMMMMmmmmwahahahahahahah... Oh I feel

> > alive.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Laterz,

> > > > >

> > > > > Alan Ro...er... I mean... from Nebraska...yeah,

> that's

> > > > the

> > > > > ticket...

> > > > >

> > > > > ______________________________________________________

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

wrose-@... wrote:

V.,

Good points. I was involved with AA for 15 years at level EXCEPT

dealing with the GSO directly. I knew it was addressed in some way.

I know also of many instances where people have willed money to AA and

it was *publicly* not accepted. I'm a little foggy on the details.

I'm trying to forget a lot things!!

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7954

>

> Tradition Ten is what the GSO is always hiding behind:

> " Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA

> name ought never be drawn into public controversy. "

>

> I would think Tradition Eleven would be broken if AA sued anyone:

> " Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than

> promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of

> press, radio, and films. "

>

> Tradition Twelve places AA on the pedestal, making them Holier than

> Thou, or making them too good to sue anyone:

> " Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of our traditions, ever

> reminding us to place principles before personalities. "

>

>

>

> > wrose-@... wrote:

> >

> > That's an interesting question-would AA sue anybody?

> >

> > Doesn't that violate a tradition or step??

> >

> >

> > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7

951

> > > For your safety, I must vote for the " brainwashed guy. " I think

the

> AA

> > > circle/triangle with the AA in the middle is protected by

copyright

> > > (held by GSO) and with your website printed right on it, they

would

> > > have no trouble tracking you down and suing for copyright

violation.

> > If

> > > the " brainwashed guy " on your site is your original creation, you

> > > automatically hold the copyright to it and can use it as you see

> fit,

> > > or designate it as " copyfree " if you wish.

> > >

> > > Kate

> > >

> > > > I need a group vote... I have two designs in mind:

> > > >

> > > > Both of them will have the same text

> > > > " The dark side of Alcoholics Anonymous revealed!

> > > > www.AAdeprogramming.com

> > > > (Shhhhh.... don't let your sponsor find out)

> > > >

> > > > One design has the AA circle and triangle, with the double " A " s

in

> > the

> > > > middle. At first glance it looks like an AA decal. But thre is

> one

> > > > line of text (there are three), for each side of the triangle.

> > > >

> > > > The other design, has the brainwashed AA guy (from the site)

> coming

> > > out

> > > > of the AA zone. The same text will appear in an appropriately

> > > > decorative typeface.

> > > >

> > > > Please cast your vote... " subtle AA logo " or " brainwashed guy " .

> > > >

> > > > Apple

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >Hi there... I've decided on decals that are hard to peel off.

> > They

> > > > can

> > > > > >be placed in Big Books, other recovery books and on phone

> booths

> > > > > >outside of meetings.

> > > > > >Apple

> > > > >

> > > > > " hard to peel off " - apple, you continue to kill me. Man,

> that's

> > > > funny.

> > > > > Yes! That will be super cool. Please give us a preview as to

> the

> > > > text that

> > > > > will be on them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Oooo. I just thought of some recovery clubs that could use a

> > > little

> > > > > late-night " decorating " MMMMMmmmmwahahahahahahah... Oh I feel

> > alive.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Laterz,

> > > > >

> > > > > Alan Ro...er... I mean... from Nebraska...yeah,

> that's

> > > > the

> > > > > ticket...

> > > > >

> > > > > ______________________________________________________

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Apple,

Geez.....Somewhere in my leftover literature, I may still have a list

of which of AA's various logos are copyrighted and which are not. When

I was deep into the politics of AA, there was some controversy

regarding the use of AA logos--which could and which could not be used

for various things. The controversy arose out of the use of the

circle/triangle on the anniversary coins. Subsequently, the maker of

the coins (a private business venture) changed the design to conform

with GSO's request. When one of their copyrighted logos is used for

something they approve of, they politely request that you cease and

desist if you are making a profit selling something with that logo on

it. However if they don't approve of what you are doing (somehow I

don't think they would approve of these particular stickers!)they would

probably persue legal action. If you want, I can search for the piece

of literature which shows the copyrighted stuff.

Kate

> The brainwashed guy has a triangle on his forehead too.. I wonder if

> that version is copyrighted... Maybe I could do a similar, but

> slightly different AA triangle to avoid any possible legal problems.

> Apple