Re: Help With Constant Self-Talk

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon its Vicki mom to 5 years old and high functioning Autistic.

My son does that all day long also. Yes I know it can be very stressful, but

I have tried to redirect him and it doesnt really work very well.

He talks to himself all day long, recites his movies and cartoons,goes over

things that happened yesterday and even much further back than that.

I am hoping it will quit also, I would be more than happy to recieve any

advice from all of you, thanks.

Vicki

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon,

My daughter does this all the time ( dx severe ADHD 2 years ago). When she was

young, it didnt bother me as I thought this quite normal. But now it worries me

especially when she has friends in the back which isnt very often. They just

stare and find it strange.

She has very distinct phenol problems which No-phenol should help to some

degree. I have done 6 rounds chelation with good results.

But I am really hoping the No-phenol plus the other enyzmes will bring very

positive changes.

Just wanted to tell you...you re not alone.

[ ] Help With Constant Self-Talk

Hi All:

I was wondering if anyone out there has any advice on how to help my son

stop talking to himself. Recently, it has come to the point where he

talks to himself almost all day long. Do any of you have kids who did

this and if so, how did you help them overcome this? When talking to

himself, he reviews everything people say to him and have said and what

he is doing as though this is reassuring to him, going over the routine

of the day. I'm glad he can talk and all, but the constant talking to

himself can be quite draining on us all. Any advice would be

appreciated.

Thanks.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

I have this theory that when more functional speech develops, the self talk

will decrease all on it's own. I have heard other parents say this is

true...unfortunately, my sons greatest stimming is verbal too. He chats all

day long...and sometimes in the middle of the night too. While it bothers

the school, it is music to my ears, so I haven't even tried to address the

issue! Just working on increasing his functional speech day in and day out!

(Mom to 6 kiddos - 4 with varying dx and with metal toxicity!)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/15/02 7:39:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Sharonke@... writes:

> Hi All:

>

> I was wondering if anyone out there has any advice on how to help my son

> stop talking to himself. Recently, it has come to the point where he

> talks to himself almost all day long. Do any of you have kids who did

> this and if so, how did you help them overcome this? When talking to

> himself, he reviews everything people say to him and have said and what

> he is doing as though this is reassuring to him, going over the routine

> of the day. I'm glad he can talk and all, but the constant talking to

> himself can be quite draining on us all. Any advice would be

> appreciated.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Sharon

>

> Sharon:

You didn't mention how old your son is...(?) Is he in a school or

receiving any therapy at home (ABA or anything else)? If so, this is a

behavior that requires redirecting on a regular basis, by a teacher or

therapist. It's OK is some limited situations, but your son needs to know

exactly when this is and is not appropriate.

You can work on this with him at home yourself, as well by redirecting him

whenever the self-talk is inappropriate or excessive.

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

It seems to me that he has a definite need to talk to himself and that

this should be allowed to continue as long as necessary because self talk is a

good means of relieving frustration, especially since he seems to be such a

great thinker!!!

Great thinkers can be a very valuable in a family. They can contribute a lot!!!

Sometimes it takes a little channeling in the right direction.

Maybe you can go through these questions and see if any of these might be

helpful in terms of ideas. Is there any certain spot he can be assigned to go

to when he needs to talk, like a special area away from others such as a time

out area? Also, is there something with a lot of purpose or meaning he could be

intensely involved in like a hobby or project he really likes?

It has been my observation that very intelligent people are the ones that can

get frustrated the easiest and need purposeful activities that are meaningful to

them. Maybe, he wants to be meaningful to others. Do you ask him for ideas or

valuable information to help you and your family? Does he feel needed and does

he contribute to the family? Does he feel the satisfaction of making a

difference in other people's lives? Do you cherish the information he gives

you? Does he get acknowledged,recognized, and praised for contributing? My

husband does this self talking in the bathroom and yes, he is very frustrated.

He has a job where his ability to think and give valuable input is not needed.

He also feels unappreciated at work. Everything is dictated to him all day

long. Thank goodness he gets to retire in less than a year. I hope something

here will help your son. Rose

[ ] Help With Constant Self-Talk

Hi All:

I was wondering if anyone out there has any advice on how to help my son

stop talking to himself. Recently, it has come to the point where he

talks to himself almost all day long. Do any of you have kids who did

this and if so, how did you help them overcome this? When talking to

himself, he reviews everything people say to him and have said and what

he is doing as though this is reassuring to him, going over the routine

of the day. I'm glad he can talk and all, but the constant talking to

himself can be quite draining on us all. Any advice would be

appreciated.

Thanks.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

Dear Sharon

hasnt really ever talked to himself, but he recites television

programmes and films word for word, even 6 maybe 7 years after watching

them. he also likes his familiar toys around him, even now, at 12. I am

only just begginning to understand Dyspraxia as a branch of Autism and the

more I come to understand the more I am convinced of that.

He is so intelligent at times, and we allow him to talk as freely as is

possible, but unlike Aspergers and other forms of sutism, becomes

easily withdrawn, and quiet, not noisy, infact I would describe him as

underactive not hyper...although he doesnt sleep till 3 am and is awake

again between 4 and 5..how he manages on such little sleep is beyond me...

he is always active and sometimes he gets muddled but above all else, like

everyone elses child, he wants to be treated as a 12 year old, not babied by

his mom, which I have to admit I do tend to do, as he is my baby even if he

is 12!

Maybe its hard to know the intelligence is there, but it cannot be focused

in the right way.

Love as Always

Joanna xx

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>Subject: Re: [ ] Help With Constant Self-Talk

>Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 07:17:59 -0500

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>

>

>Sharon,

>It seems to me that he has a definite need to talk to himself and that

>this should be allowed to continue as long as necessary because self talk

>is a good means of relieving frustration, especially since he seems to be

>such a great thinker!!!

>Great thinkers can be a very valuable in a family. They can contribute a

>lot!!! Sometimes it takes a little channeling in the right direction.

>Maybe you can go through these questions and see if any of these might be

>helpful in terms of ideas. Is there any certain spot he can be assigned

>to go to when he needs to talk, like a special area away from others such

>as a time out area? Also, is there something with a lot of purpose or

>meaning he could be intensely involved in like a hobby or project he

>really likes?

>It has been my observation that very intelligent people are the ones that

>can get frustrated the easiest and need purposeful activities that are

>meaningful to them. Maybe, he wants to be meaningful to others. Do you

>ask him for ideas or valuable information to help you and your family?

>Does he feel needed and does he contribute to the family? Does he feel the

>satisfaction of making a difference in other people's lives? Do you

>cherish the information he gives you? Does he get acknowledged,recognized,

>and praised for contributing? My husband does this self talking in the

>bathroom and yes, he is very frustrated. He has a job where his ability to

>think and give valuable input is not needed. He also feels unappreciated

>at work. Everything is dictated to him all day long. Thank goodness he

>gets to retire in less than a year. I hope something here will help your

>son. Rose

> [ ] Help With Constant Self-Talk

>

>

> Hi All:

>

> I was wondering if anyone out there has any advice on how to help my son

> stop talking to himself. Recently, it has come to the point where he

> talks to himself almost all day long. Do any of you have kids who did

> this and if so, how did you help them overcome this? When talking to

> himself, he reviews everything people say to him and have said and what

> he is doing as though this is reassuring to him, going over the routine

> of the day. I'm glad he can talk and all, but the constant talking to

> himself can be quite draining on us all. Any advice would be

> appreciated.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Sharon

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> When talking

to

> himself, he reviews everything people say to him and have said and

what

> he is doing as though this is reassuring to him, going over the

routine

> of the day.

I talk to myself when I am having difficulty understanding a concept.

This is very helpful because I am visual, but if the concept is not

something I can write about or draw, then actually hearing myself is

much easier for me to understand than if I am just trying to think

about it.

If your son is talking about what people are saying and what he is

doing, and the routine of the day, and if it seems reassuring to him,

then I will agree with your assessment. It *is* reassuring to him.

If it was me, I would be trying to understand social things,

especially if I was chelating and things were starting to make sense,

but they were new so very confusing also. So I would go over [and

over and over and over] the things that happened on previous days, and

how I reacted to them, to learn what I may have done right, or to try

to figure out what I may have said or done which had created a

negative reaction in others. Talking to myself, and also to a vast

array of imaginary friends I had when younger, was very helpful for me

to learn social concepts. I don't know that I could have learned them

otherwise.

You can encourage your son to try doing this " in his head " , or wait

until later when he is in his bedroom or some place more private.

Explain that some people think that people who talk to themselves have

something *wrong* with them, but you know he does not have anything

*wrong* with him, because he is doing it for a good reason. You can

also see whether he can write poetry or stories, or if he can draw or

paint what he is thinking and feeling.

Talking to myself was also very helpful to allow me to focus and

concentrate on certain things [like social skills], especially if

there was a lot of sensory confusion at that time and things were

overwhelming, or if the concept was very confusing to me.

Your son might also be an auditory learner, instead of a visual

learner.

Otherwise, I would recommend not trying to stop it, because if it was

me, I would be learning from it and it would be very beneficial for

me, but perhaps just redirection to doing it in private or one of the

other ideas I gave.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> Hi All:

>

> I was wondering if anyone out there has any advice on how to help my

son

> stop talking to himself. Recently, it has come to the point where

he

> talks to himself almost all day long. Do any of you have kids who

did

> this and if so, how did you help them overcome this? When talking

to

> himself, he reviews everything people say to him and have said and

what

> he is doing as though this is reassuring to him, going over the

routine

> of the day. I'm glad he can talk and all, but the constant talking

to

> himself can be quite draining on us all. Any advice would be

> appreciated.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Sharon

Hi Sharon, my name is Teri and my autistic daughter is fifteen. She

talks to herself constantly. Her dialogue containes lines from movies

(films she hasn't seen in more than a year!). She repeats

conversations she has over-heard (which is sometimes embarrassing) and

she makes up scenarios which can sound quite distressing.

Ragan (my daughter) didn't start talking until she was eight. We went

through echolaila, perseverance, etc. but at the time we were so

excited she was even talking we never minded the way she talked.

However now Ragan's a chatterbox. Often when I say something about her

self-talking she will tell me not to interrupt her. Pretty much I let

her be, but in public her talking can disturb others and I'll ask her

to stop. I believe her self-talking is a means of releaving stress,

working out concepts, or just entertaining herself.

I haven't assigned a negative to this form of speech. It gives me too

much insight into my child's world. Autism shrouds so much of her

intellect that anyway she can express herself is all right with me.

Besides, I don't see self-talking as any different than a woman

crossing her knees and pumping that ankle up-n-down, up-n-down, or

chewing your nails, or any of the myrid things people do that have

become acceptable to relieve stress/anxiety.

I know that this can become a distraction and perhaps it can even get

in the way of a quailty of life, but if the cause can be addressed

then the effect should be ameliorated. I hope my perspective has been

of some benefit. Teri

[Guest guest]

Our son's self talk has diminished -- but it is still there. It has evolved

over time from echo and scripting, to nonsense talk, to what it is today --

story telling, make believe, imaginary friends (he tells me that his friends

are 'just pretend' His SLT told me not to worry about it -- so I didn't <

at least not too much> lol.

Mom to Austin (recovered from pdd, hyperlexia) and (nt)

6 yr old twins

In a message dated 4/16/02 5:37:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

fullarmor@... writes:

>

>

>

> I have this theory that when more functional speech develops, the self talk

>

> will decrease all on it's own. I have heard other parents say this is

> true...unfortunately, my sons greatest stimming is verbal too. He chats

> all

> day long...and sometimes in the middle of the night too. While it bothers

> the school, it is music to my ears, so I haven't even tried to address the

> issue! Just working on increasing his functional speech day in and day

> out!

>

> (Mom to 6 kiddos - 4 with varying dx and with metal toxicity!)

[Guest guest]

> I was wondering if anyone out there has any advice on how to help my son

> stop talking to himself.

Why is talking to yourself bad?

Valentina

[Guest guest]

My son will repeat things under his breath as if he is practicing the

language. I always thought echolalia was a good sign. It's the way my son

learns. Einstein repeated things softly until he was at least seven. Of

course, I don't know if it's the same for your child, but a website that

helped me a lot is the hyperlexia association in Chicago. Good luck.

[ ] Help With Constant Self-Talk

> Hi All:

>

> I was wondering if anyone out there has any advice on how to help my son

> stop talking to himself. Recently, it has come to the point where he

> talks to himself almost all day long. Do any of you have kids who did

> this and if so, how did you help them overcome this? When talking to

> himself, he reviews everything people say to him and have said and what

> he is doing as though this is reassuring to him, going over the routine

> of the day. I'm glad he can talk and all, but the constant talking to

> himself can be quite draining on us all. Any advice would be

> appreciated.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Sharon

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Teri,

Your daughter sounds much like my 19 y/o daughter.

pat

[Guest guest]

It seems to me that people on the AS do that out of nervousness or

stress. Or that they are trying to figure things out. My son is non-

verbal. But I see him acting things out often. ie He accidently

hurt his foot so bad that he sprained it. He was very upset by the

injury, since he rarely hurts himself. (even then, not very

serious) You would think that he would avoid the area where he hurt

himself. But, the way he processes things, he was drawn to the area

and kept repeating his action to 1)see if it would happen again? 2)

see if I would talk him through it? I would tell him, " Be careful.

Watch out for your foot. Last time you hurt it remember? You might

not hurt it this time, but you might hurt it like last time. " After

several times, he stopped. But he does this type of stuff all the

time.

I think that the children are trying to figure things out. Instead

of redirecting it, maybe you could jump in and try to help them

figure it out. Once my son has figured something out, he moves on.

Maybe your kids will too, but they might just need someone to help

them.

Good luck!

Shirley

> Our son's self talk has diminished -- but it is still there. It

has evolved

> over time from echo and scripting, to nonsense talk, to what it is

today --

> story telling, make believe, imaginary friends (he tells me that

his friends

> are 'just pretend' His SLT told me not to worry about it -- so

I didn't <

> at least not too much> lol.

>

>

> Mom to Austin (recovered from pdd, hyperlexia) and (nt)

> 6 yr old twins

>

> In a message dated 4/16/02 5:37:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> fullarmor@a... writes:

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> > I have this theory that when more functional speech develops, the

self talk

> >

> > will decrease all on it's own. I have heard other parents say

this is

> > true...unfortunately, my sons greatest stimming is verbal too.

He chats

> > all

> > day long...and sometimes in the middle of the night too. While

it bothers

> > the school, it is music to my ears, so I haven't even tried to

address the

> > issue! Just working on increasing his functional speech day in

and day

> > out!

> >

> > (Mom to 6 kiddos - 4 with varying dx and with metal toxicity!)

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

My son did not do constant self-talking, but it was often enough to

be noticed. This did not improve until he started the gfcf diet.

After the Houston enzymes became available, he was able to go off the

diet successfully and still does not self-talk except in the

occasional way that is typical to most people. I don't know if you

would have the same results with the diet or enzymes, but that was

our experience. As I recall, the mumbling to himself decreased a

great deal even when we only removed milk products.

[Guest guest]

Did he really? that is interesting.

> Einstein repeated things softly until he was at least seven

[Guest guest]

Here is a thought-because responded so dramatically to therapy when

tiny, I have gotten many many calls over the years, and chances to work with

many families. this " self-talk " thing comes up often. In some kids, it is

actually a bridge to being able to communicate with others. In my son, he went

from self talk to trying to tell us things that at first sounded strange, until

we realized

that he was giving us a visual account of what he had seen/done over the past

few days. He WAS trying to communicate-we just didn't understand at first. Some

kids, however, use the " self-talk " to block out other people. They can

" pretend " forever, with their backs to the world. I have seen DMAE and

molybdenum work miracles in such cases. Knowing now what I didn't know then, I

think either/both are worth trying in kids like mine who actively avoided

people. had a (very) high copper level, and blocked acetylcholine

receptors. He also had a very high requirement for B6/magnesium. The most

severe case of this very withdrawn,lost in her own world kind of child I have

ever seen was in a little girl who has an abnormally formed

brainstem/cerebellum. Her parents tried every therapy you can imagine with

absolutely no improvement whatever. Then, they took her to a naturopath who dxed

mercury poisoning, and she has made slow steady progress ever since:).

[ ] Re: Help With Constant Self-Talk

> When talking

to

> himself, he reviews everything people say to him and have said and

what

> he is doing as though this is reassuring to him, going over the

routine

> of the day.

I talk to myself when

[Guest guest]

Hi:

Actually, my son's self-talking has increased since he has been on

enzymes. We've seen so many positives, though, from using enzymes that

I definitely don't want to stop using them just because of the

self-talk. Who knows, maybe he's just becoming more aware of everything

going on around him and this is just a way to help calm himself.

Sharon

ckelley100100 wrote:

> Sharon,

>

> My son did not do constant self-talking, but it was often enough to

> be noticed. This did not improve until he started the gfcf diet.

> After the Houston enzymes became available, he was able to go off the

> diet successfully and still does not self-talk except in the

> occasional way that is typical to most people. I don't know if you

> would have the same results with the diet or enzymes, but that was

> our experience. As I recall, the mumbling to himself decreased a

> great deal even when we only removed milk products.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Some kids, however, use the " self-talk " to block out other people. They can

" pretend " forever, with their backs to the world.

My daughter was like this. We used behavioral methods to discourage self

talk when it was interfering with what we were trying to teach. At the same

time it is a good way for a child who has not used a lot of language to

" practice " speaking, much the way that typical babies do with babbling and

jargon.

It is true to an extent that functional speech will replace a lot of self

talk. However, it is still a behavior we see sometimes that tells us that

she has probably had too much gluten or is re-acting to a round of

chelation. At this point I can tell her to stop or to think in her head and

she will stop.

We have always tried to gain control over her stims behaviorally even while

we are aware of what is actually going on. Knowing there is a reason for a

behavior doesn't necessarily make it ok.

The approach one takes really depends on the individual, where they are

developmentally and what kinds of intervention they are recieving.

I have seen DMAE and molybdenum work miracles in such cases. Knowing now

what I didn't know then, I think either/both are worth trying in kids like

mine who actively avoided people.

I wish I had known this back then too! Good post Dana

Lynette

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[Guest guest]

This reminds me of a story on one of Barry Neil Kaufman's tapes about a teen

who had to repeat things and read out loud so that he could understand it.

For some reason, his auditory processing needed the repeat and he couldn't

process things visually well enough to understand what he'd read unless he

read it out loud. I wonder if this is sometimes going on with the kids who

need to repeat stuff.

With my son, the constant chatter, usually in the form of questions these

days, is often environmentally/sensory related. In certain stores, the

lights and noise is too much and he needs to drown it out somehow so he

constantly questions things. It ebbs and flows with how his health is doing

and what's in the air. One Whole Foods store always causes him problems --

not sure why -- but I imagine they're using some kind of cleaner that he's

reactive to.

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

Lynette,

Which brands of Molybdenum and DMAE did/do you use? HOw much per

body weight of child? I am interested in adding these supplements.

Thanks alot, Maddie

>

>

> Some kids, however, use the " self-talk " to block out other

people. They can

> " pretend " forever, with their backs to the world.

>

>

> My daughter was like this. We used behavioral methods to

discourage self

> talk when it was interfering with what we were trying to teach. At

the same

> time it is a good way for a child who has not used a lot of

language to

> " practice " speaking, much the way that typical babies do with

babbling and

> jargon.

> It is true to an extent that functional speech will replace a lot

of self

> talk. However, it is still a behavior we see sometimes that tells

us that

> she has probably had too much gluten or is re-acting to a round of

> chelation. At this point I can tell her to stop or to think in her

head and

> she will stop.

> We have always tried to gain control over her stims behaviorally

even while

> we are aware of what is actually going on. Knowing there is a

reason for a

> behavior doesn't necessarily make it ok.

> The approach one takes really depends on the individual, where

they are

> developmentally and what kinds of intervention they are recieving.

>

>

> I have seen DMAE and molybdenum work miracles in such cases.

Knowing now

> what I didn't know then, I think either/both are worth trying in

kids like

> mine who actively avoided people.

>

>

> I wish I had known this back then too! Good post Dana

> Lynette

>

>

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[Guest guest]

>

>

> Some kids, however, use the " self-talk " to block out other people.

They can

> " pretend " forever, with their backs to the world.

I have done this also. When things just get too overwhelming.

Especially if the other people who I am blocking out, had been abusive

to me or confusing to me in the past.

>

>

> My daughter was like this. We used behavioral methods to discourage

self

> talk when it was interfering with what we were trying to teach.

That makes sense if it is interfering. But if it is for a " healthy

reason " like what I mentioned above, and you try to stop the talking,

you might find she reverts to screaming or head banging to get rid of

the reason she needed to self-talk in the first place.

At

the same

> time it is a good way for a child who has not used a lot of language

to

> " practice " speaking, much the way that typical babies do with

babbling and

> jargon.

I have used it for this reason also. NT people give their speeches in

front of their mirror and the dog for a similar reason, to practice

things. Not a bad thing.

> It is true to an extent that functional speech will replace a lot of

self

> talk. However, it is still a behavior we see sometimes that tells us

that

> she has probably had too much gluten or is re-acting to a round of

> chelation.

This can also be the reason. Things which were " easier " for her, are

now suddenly " more difficult " because of the infraction or chelation.

So if you find and remove the problem, the talking goes away. This

is NOT removing the talking tho, it is removing the reason for

requiring the talking.

> At this point I can tell her to stop or to think in her

head and

> she will stop.

It is good she can do this. I can do it now, but when I was younger I

needed to actually hear it.

> We have always tried to gain control over her stims behaviorally

even while

> we are aware of what is actually going on. Knowing there is a reason

for a

> behavior doesn't necessarily make it ok.

True, but just forbidding the behavior is not always, or even usually,

the best thing to do. Imagine yourself having the feeling that YOU

JUST HAVE TO DO THIS and someone tells you that you are FORBIDDEN from

doing it. Then all you will do, with 100% of your energies, is try to

NOT do it, and maybe with 1/2 of 1% of your energies, you will try to

think of some other way you might be able to get rid of this

overwhelming compulsion to do it. Not conducive to learning, and very

conducive to exploding with a very inappropriate behavior like

screaming or head banging. Teach instead how to redirect to something

else, or give her a phrase she can learn to say automatically, like " I

need a break now " so she can go somewhere private to release some of

the frustration.

> The approach one takes really depends on the individual, where they

are

> developmentally and what kinds of intervention they are recieving.

Yes

> I have seen DMAE and molybdenum work miracles in such cases.

Knowing now

> what I didn't know then, I think either/both are worth trying in

kids like

> mine who actively avoided people.

I would first try to determine why people were actively avoided. But

if you have found things which help your daughter, that is probably

good. Altho do remember, there is a *small* possibility that the

reason she does not avoid people any more, is that she may simply then

not care.

This is an unrelated story, but it does show how the wrong

intervention can look good on the outside but for the wrong reason.

http://www.autismchannel.net/dana/ritalin.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

Lynette, do you think that DMAE and Molybdenum help with social phobia? I have

a son who was first diagnosed with selective mutism, caused by anxiety, who

acquired autism after the MMR booster at age 12. He is the mirror image of some

autistics; whereas the children I have read about on these e-mail groups become

hyperactive when consuming phenols, he becomes withdrawn and very socially

phobic. What would be an appropriate dosage of these 2 nutrients for a 175

pound person? Thank you, Rose

Re: [ ] Re: Help With Constant Self-Talk

Some kids, however, use the " self-talk " to block out other people. They can

" pretend " forever, with their backs to the world.

My daughter was like this. We used behavioral methods to discourage self

talk when it was interfering with what we were trying to teach. At the same

time it is a good way for a child who has not used a lot of language to

" practice " speaking, much the way that typical babies do with babbling and

jargon.

It is true to an extent that functional speech will replace a lot of self

talk. However, it is still a behavior we see sometimes that tells us that

she has probably had too much gluten or is re-acting to a round of

chelation. At this point I can tell her to stop or to think in her head and

she will stop.

We have always tried to gain control over her stims behaviorally even while

we are aware of what is actually going on. Knowing there is a reason for a

behavior doesn't necessarily make it ok.

The approach one takes really depends on the individual, where they are

developmentally and what kinds of intervention they are recieving.

I have seen DMAE and molybdenum work miracles in such cases. Knowing now

what I didn't know then, I think either/both are worth trying in kids like

mine who actively avoided people.

I wish I had known this back then too! Good post Dana

Lynette

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--- Nomoremetals@... wrote:

> This reminds me of a story on one of Barry Neil

> Kaufman's tapes about a teen

> who had to repeat things and read out loud so that

> he could understand it. ...

I had a dyslexic friend in graduate school who did

this to help him sort out what he was reading.

Different mechanism at work I suspect.

Max

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[Guest guest]

Maddie-we used twin labs drops-bitter, but easy to hide in juice if it's stirred

and drunk quickly. Do NOT get DMAE bitartrate capsules-they can be a problem for

our kids, as per Dr. Shaw. I believe the dose is 10 mg? The best molybdenum I

have found so far is Klaire sodium molybdate.

[ ] Re: Help With Constant Self-Talk

Lynette,

Which brands of Molybdenum and DMAE did/do you use? HOw much per

body weight of child? I am interested in adding these supplements.

Thanks alot, Maddie

>

>

> Some kids, however, use the " self-talk " to block out other

people. They can

> " pretend " forever, with their backs to the world.

>

>

> My daughter was like this. We used behavioral methods to

discourage self

> talk when it was interfering with what we were trying to teach. At

the same

> time it is a good way for a child who has not used a lot of

language to

> " practice " speaking, much the way that typical babies do with

babbling and

> jargon.

> It is true to an extent that functional speech will replace a lot

of self

> talk. However, it is still a behavior we see sometimes that tells

us that

> she has probably had too much gluten or is re-acting to a round of

> chelation. At this point I can tell her to stop or to think in her

head and

> she will stop.

> We have always tried to gain control over her stims behaviorally

even while

> we are aware of what is actually going on. Knowing there is a

reason for a

> behavior doesn't necessarily make it ok.

> The approach one takes really depends on the individual, where

they are

> developmentally and what kinds of intervention they are recieving.

>

>

> I have seen DMAE and molybdenum work miracles in such cases.

Knowing now

> what I didn't know then, I think either/both are worth trying in

kids like

> mine who actively avoided people.

>

>

> I wish I had known this back then too! Good post Dana

> Lynette

>

>

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Hi Rose,

I don't really know about the DMAE and Molybdenum. My post got mixed up with

the original post which I thought was Dana's but I believe was actually from

Curtin!

will probably respond. I am interested in this too - Lynette

>From: " d701 " <d701@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Help With Constant Self-Talk

>Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:55:20 -0500

>

>Lynette, do you think that DMAE and Molybdenum help with social phobia? I

>have a son who was first diagnosed with selective mutism, caused by

>anxiety, who acquired autism after the MMR booster at age 12. He is the

>mirror image of some autistics; whereas the children I have read about on

>these e-mail groups become hyperactive when consuming phenols, he becomes

>withdrawn and very socially phobic. What would be an appropriate dosage of

>these 2 nutrients for a 175 pound person? Thank you, Rose

> Re: [ ] Re: Help With Constant Self-Talk

>

>

>

>

> Some kids, however, use the " self-talk " to block out other people. They

>can

> " pretend " forever, with their backs to the world.

>

>

> My daughter was like this. We used behavioral methods to discourage self

> talk when it was interfering with what we were trying to teach. At the

>same

> time it is a good way for a child who has not used a lot of language to

> " practice " speaking, much the way that typical babies do with babbling

>and

> jargon.

> It is true to an extent that functional speech will replace a lot of

>self

> talk. However, it is still a behavior we see sometimes that tells us

>that

> she has probably had too much gluten or is re-acting to a round of

> chelation. At this point I can tell her to stop or to think in her head

>and

> she will stop.

> We have always tried to gain control over her stims behaviorally even

>while

> we are aware of what is actually going on. Knowing there is a reason for

>a

> behavior doesn't necessarily make it ok.

> The approach one takes really depends on the individual, where they are

> developmentally and what kinds of intervention they are recieving.

>

>

> I have seen DMAE and molybdenum work miracles in such cases. Knowing

>now

> what I didn't know then, I think either/both are worth trying in kids

>like

> mine who actively avoided people.

>

>

> I wish I had known this back then too! Good post Dana

> Lynette

>

>

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