Thallium

[Guest guest]

Hi Wil

Sorry can't help with the Thallium, just wondering which tests you used to

indentify the toxicity? If it was hair test through DDI, others here can help

you interpret results.

This is a very supportive and informative list, good luck

Mandi in Uk

[Guest guest]

>Hi! I'm Wil,father to Cameron our wonderful 3yr old boy with

>hyperlexia(ASD). We are new to this group. Has anyone had any

>experience with thallium induced autism????? Cameron has high levels

>of thallium and alumimun with mildly elevated mecury and uranium and

>cadnium.

Hello Wil and welcome,

I can't answer your actual question, and this may sound really boring

to those who have been here a while (that's okay):

I would like to point out to you that a " mildly elevated " level

of mercury on a hair test MAY BE AN ENTIRELY INACCURATE reflection

of the level of mercury in your son. It might really be a lot worse.

Why? mercury does not stay in hair (or blood or urine or poop for

that matter). Read more here:

/files/Counting%2BRules

Why am I telling you this? Because I think it matters and may

affect both your understanding of what is happening with your son

and your treatment plans.

I do know that lots of the kids w/ parents on the list do have a

number of toxic metals.

best wishes,

Moria

[Guest guest]

| Hi! I'm Wil,father to Cameron our wonderful 3yr old boy with

| hyperlexia(ASD). We are new to this group. Has anyone had any

| experience with thallium induced autism????? Cameron has high levels

| of thallium and alumimun with mildly elevated mecury and uranium and

| cadnium.

Hi Wil,

I've posted on Thallium before and will repost below. Welcome to the club -

your son is metals toxic. We focus on

mercury, but obviously other toxic metals are causing problems for our kids as

well.

And... I wonder what would show up if some impartial person did a spectral

analysis of thimerisol? Mercury would show

up, but would thallium? Aluminum? Other toxic metals? I also wonder if the

suppliers of thimerisol ever did such an

analysis, or if they just assumed that the mercury was pure?

K.

(From Oct 2, 2001)

Somebody mentioned thallium. My daughter had high levels of Thallium in her

last 2 urinalysis. She never showed this

in 3 previous hair analyses, and it didn't show up in her pre-chelation

urinalysis, so chelation must be causing it's

excretion.

Apparently, it's a contaminant of mercury, so anyone that's mercury toxic might

also be thallium toxic. They

deliberately add thallium to mercury as an antifreeze for arctic thermometers,

and Hulda speculates that this

contaminated mercury may also end up as a source of dental mercury. She says

'occasionally' thallium and germanium show

up in mercury amalgam tooth fillings. She sees plenty of thallium toxicity,

especially in every wheelchair patient she

tested. She says, " Thallium pollution frightens me more than lead, cadmium, and

mercury combined, because it is

completely unsuspected " (from The Cure For All Diseases).

Here's a site on Thallium toxicity:

http://risk.lsd.ornl.gov/tox/profiles/thallium_f_V1.shtml

Thallium in drinking water:

http://www.epa.gov/safewater/dwh/c-ioc/thallium.html

[Guest guest]

> >Hi! I'm Wil,father to Cameron our wonderful 3yr old boy with

> >hyperlexia(ASD). We are new to this group. Has anyone had any

> >experience with thallium induced autism????? Cameron has high

levels

> >of thallium and alumimun with mildly elevated mecury and uranium

and

> >cadnium.

Do check the " counting rules " file before deciding what is really

going on.

I haven't seen a case of thallium yet, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Thallium used to be common in rat poisons so you can probably find

lots of old literature about children getting poisoned by it if you

look. Maybe before medlline started, so you might have to be creative

to find it.

Hyperlexia isn't a disease - it just means your kid reads a lot better

than the doc's kids and the doc feels defensive about that. It's like

saying Einstein was sick because he was so smart, or pro football

players are sick because they are so muscular and strong.

Andy . . . . .. . . . . . .. . . . .

[Guest guest]

I did some quick research on Thallium when my husbands hair analysis was

over the top with thallium. It is a heavy metal used with mercury for

amalgam fillings. Whether it is advertently put in is another question. In

any case it was used as a poison by primitive societies on the tip of a

hunting spear. A poster put a link up to a site about Thallium several

months ago. It is well worth the read. I will see if I can find it.

[ ] Re: Thallium

> > >Hi! I'm Wil,father to Cameron our wonderful 3yr old boy with

> > >hyperlexia(ASD). We are new to this group. Has anyone had any

> > >experience with thallium induced autism????? Cameron has high

> levels

> > >of thallium and alumimun with mildly elevated mecury and uranium

> and

> > >cadnium.

>

> Do check the " counting rules " file before deciding what is really

> going on.

>

> I haven't seen a case of thallium yet, but it wouldn't surprise me.

>

> Thallium used to be common in rat poisons so you can probably find

> lots of old literature about children getting poisoned by it if you

> look. Maybe before medlline started, so you might have to be creative

> to find it.

>

> Hyperlexia isn't a disease - it just means your kid reads a lot better

> than the doc's kids and the doc feels defensive about that. It's like

> saying Einstein was sick because he was so smart, or pro football

> players are sick because they are so muscular and strong.

>

> Andy . . . . .. . . . . . .. . . . .

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Here is the second post I found about Thallium with a very interesting link.

( Thanks to K.)

" Hi,

Somebody mentioned thallium. My daughter had high levels of Thallium in her

last 2 urinalysis. She never showed this in 3 previous hair analyses, and it

didn't show up in her pre-chelation urinalysis, so chelation must be causing

it's excretion.

Apparently, it's a contaminant of mercury, so anyone that's mercury toxic

might

also be thallium toxic. They deliberately add thallium to mercury as an

antifreeze for arctic thermometers, and Hulda speculates that this

contaminated mercury may also end up as a source of dental mercury. She says

'occasionally' thallium and germanium show up in mercury amalgam tooth

fillings.

She sees plenty of thallium toxicity, especially in every wheelchair patient

she

tested. She says, " Thallium pollution frightens me more than lead, cadmium,

and

mercury combined, because it is completely unsuspected " (from The Cure For

All

Diseases).

Here's a site on Thallium toxicity:

http://risk.lsd.ornl.gov/tox/profiles/thallium_f_V1.shtml

K. "

[Guest guest]

I should have searched the archives first. LOL I found plenty of

info in there. My kids have no amalgams, but I did have them in my

mouth during each pregnancy. We're not near a coalpowered plant,

but since we live on a military base, I'm going to assume our

exposure is from here.

Anyone know... as long as we have ongoing exposure, will we get rid

of other metals? I mean, they dumped others, but not in huge

amounts. The thallium however was off the charts. I can't afford

to do another urine catch for a long time now so I will continue

chelating, but will not be able to see what is going on with the

thallium.

Thanks for any thoughts.

Wyndie

>

> Anyone know where Tallium exposure comes from? I read on

danasview

> that it's from tobacco or contaminated foods.

>

> I just got the kids urine toxic metals back and it showed them

> dumping off the chart amounts of thallium. They do not hang

around

> anyone who smokes (neither I nor my husband have ever smoked) and

> they have only had organic foods for the last year+. Since they

> both just poured it out, I'm guessing we have a current exposure

> going on but no idea where it's from.

>

> We live in a military base housing unit so who knows what's

floating

> around in the air around here, but this housing unit is only a few

> years old. Any chance thallium is from something military?

> Airplain fuel? Some random thing?

>

> On a good note, they dumped lead, mercury and a few other icky

> things so yay for us!!

>

> wyndie

>

[Guest guest]

-It can be a byproduct of smelting metals.

-- In , " Wyndie " <mileski5@...> wrote:

>

> Anyone know where Tallium exposure comes from?

Near anything like this on base?

Thallium metal and its compounds are consumed in a wide variety of

applications; for example, thallium is used in semiconductor material

for selenium rectifiers, in gamma radiation detection equipment, in

infrared radiation detection and transmission equipment, in

crystalline filters for light diffraction for acousto-optical

measuring devices, in a mercury-thallium alloy for low-temperature

measurements, in glass to increase its refractive index and density,

in the synthesis of organic compounds, and in a high-density liquid

for sink-float separation of minerals. In addition, research

activity with thallium is ongoing to develop high-temperature

superconducting materials for such applications as magnetic resonance

imaging, storage of magnetic energy, magnetic propulsion, and electric

power generation and transmission. Also, the use of radioactive

thallium compounds for medical purposes in cardiovascular imaging to

detect heart disease is increasing.

<<Do your kids have any of these symptoms?

Following acute exposure, clinical signs of thallium toxicity develop

slowly. The first signs include hemorrhage into the gastrointestinal

tract and symptoms of gastroenteritis such as nausea, vomiting,

abdominal pain, and diarrhea or constipation. These typically occur

within 14 hours of exposure (Stokinger, 1981; de Groot and Van Heijst,

1988). The symptoms are followed within 5 days by alopecia and effects

characteristic of central, peripheral, and autonomic nervous system

involvement. These include paresthesia, particularly of the lower

extremities, retrobulbar neuritis, ataxia, delirium, tremors,

hallucinations, and tachycardia (Stokinger, 1981; de Groot and Van

Heijst, 1988; Kazantzis, 1986;Tabandeh et al., 1994). In severe

toxicity, hypertension, cardiomyopathy accompanied by

electrocardiographic changes, testicular toxicity, hypokalemia,

leukocytosis, and thromocytopenia have been reported. Death from

respiratory failure is preceded by convulsions and coma. The minimum

lethal dose (LDLO) of soluble thallium salts for an adult has been

estimated to be 0.2-1.4 g (3-20 mg thallium/kg).

Are you near a cement factory? It can be in the water also from a

nearby cement plant.

Do you drink bottled

water?http://www.epa.gov/OGWDW/dwh/c-ioc/thallium.html

It is also possible if your hair test meets counting rules that the

level of thallium is in accurate...

I read on danasview

> that it's from tobacco or contaminated foods.

>

> I just got the kids urine toxic metals back and it showed them

> dumping off the chart amounts of thallium. They do not hang around

> anyone who smokes (neither I nor my husband have ever smoked) and

> they have only had organic foods for the last year+. Since they

> both just poured it out, I'm guessing we have a current exposure

> going on but no idea where it's from.

>

> We live in a military base housing unit so who knows what's floating

> around in the air around here, but this housing unit is only a few

> years old. Any chance thallium is from something military?

> Airplain fuel? Some random thing?

>

> On a good note, they dumped lead, mercury and a few other icky

> things so yay for us!!

>

> wyndie

>

[Guest guest]

It makes sense that it will come down with chelation. Despite living

down the road from a coal fired power plant and still living in this

old house..my son's levels are coming down. We don't do urine dump

testing..better not to scare yourself with what is coming out. Just

keep chelating.

Only give them bottled water. I can't imagine there not being a coal

fired power plant somewhere...unless you have a nuclear one near you.

Where is the nearest power plant? Do any factories have their own? Not

likely a thallium source..but a mercury one. And of course, we can't

control these sources..without moving to some remote mountain in

Alaska or something...

Judge your progress by how they are doing, physically,

developmentally, behaviorally. Rather than labs. And sometimes hair

levels can be falsely elevate in the presence of mercury.

> >

> > Anyone know where Tallium exposure comes from? I read on

> danasview

> > that it's from tobacco or contaminated foods.

> >

> > I just got the kids urine toxic metals back and it showed them

> > dumping off the chart amounts of thallium. They do not hang

> around

> > anyone who smokes (neither I nor my husband have ever smoked) and

> > they have only had organic foods for the last year+. Since they

> > both just poured it out, I'm guessing we have a current exposure

> > going on but no idea where it's from.

> >

> > We live in a military base housing unit so who knows what's

> floating

> > around in the air around here, but this housing unit is only a few

> > years old. Any chance thallium is from something military?

> > Airplain fuel? Some random thing?

> >

> > On a good note, they dumped lead, mercury and a few other icky

> > things so yay for us!!

> >

> > wyndie

> >

>