Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 , On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:11:08 -0500 kkramer@... (Kramer, ) writes: >The point is that it would likely take a national data base of all our >medical histories to sort out some of the anti-vaccine group claims. >Something that anti-vaccine groups are consistently against as it >raises the >big brother fears. ------------------------------------Congratulations. You've discovered there are wackos in this movement. They exist in every movement. But you should address those arguments that have merit, to be intellectually honest. In fact, the vast majority of AVers want to have adverse reactions tracked more effectively and without allopathic medical bias. Just like there are reporting procedures for all drug reactions to determine its' safety. What they don't want are their children tracked while there are laws in place that penalizes noncompliance. Your flippant superficial response may sound good. But it shows that you do not want to tackle the real issue. >The chiropractic analogy is ludicrous given the evidence of the >efficacy of >chiropractic adjustments for anything other than back pain. -----------------------------You're looking at the trees and not the forest. The point is that while many philosophies like Natural Hygiene or chiropractic have successes, they don't make everyone apply it manditorily through government enforcement. I think people will live healthier, longer lives if they eat bananas and bean sprouts. I just don't believe people should be forced to eat it. Do you get it now? You didn't respond to my reference to my chicken pox article. Doctors are killing the children. Is there a fatter target I could give you?! gary Coalition For Informed Choice. Krasner, Director PO Box 230426, Hollis, NY 11423 fax/phone: 718-479-2939, email: gk-cfic@... " Protect your rights! Become an advocate and inform others " > Re: [chat] Rotavirus > > >>From: L Krasner <gk-cfic@...> >> >>, >> >>Perhaps this is part of a debate that I missed, but I don't >understand >>what point if any, that you're trying to make. To the best of my >>knowledge, Health officials currently do not disclose the identities >of >>vaccine-injured people to anyone outside the government. For those >who >>wish to remain anonymous, even to accredited researchers outside the >>government, we could establish a procedure where they may indicate >that >>desire when they initially report their injuries to the government. >> >>This wouldn't even be an issue had governments not allowed allopathic >>physicians and public health personnel—both educated to be strongly >>biased in favor of vaccination—to promote and administer >vaccinations, >>and ALSO authorize them to evaluate the results, and report to the >public >>on its safety and effectiveness. >> >>No society gives this much power to any other health philosophy. >Imagine >>having universal compulsory spinal adjustments and letting >chiropractors >>to both run the bureacracy that enforces the mandate, and also to >>evaluate the efficacy of spinal adjustments? >> >>By the way: >>Apparently, you want to ask pointed questions to people who have a >>negative view vaccination. But a couple of months ago I privately >>forwarded a copy of a 2-page article alleging that medical treatment >is >>the cause of deaths from chicken pox. I had hoped for a constructive >>exchange with you privately in the hope of learning something, >without >>the need for either side to " show off " or try to win the argument. >You >>never responded. Is it your intention to only search for and comment >on >>weak arguments, and ignore questions you cannot answer? >> >>I just want to know so I don't waste my time with you. >> >>thanks, >>gary >> >>Coalition For Informed Choice. Krasner, Director >>PO Box 230426, Hollis, NY 11423 >>fax/phone: 718-479-2939, email: gk-cfic@... >> " Protect your rights! Become an advocate and inform others " >> >> >> >> >>On Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:43:47 -0500 kkramer@... (Kramer, ) >>writes: >>>From: kkramer@... (Kramer, ) >>> >>>FWIW, the recall of the Rotoshield occurred because of adverse >>>reaction >>>reporting. >>> >>>How would mandatory reporting of any adverse event or medical >>>condition >>>solve the problem without the violation of personal privacy? >>> >>> >>> >>>--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 Thanks ...well put! L Krasner wrote: > > From: L Krasner <gk-cfic@...> > > , > > On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:11:08 -0500 kkramer@... (Kramer, ) > writes: > >The point is that it would likely take a national data base of all our > >medical histories to sort out some of the anti-vaccine group claims. > >Something that anti-vaccine groups are consistently against as it > >raises the > >big brother fears. > > ------------------------------------Congratulations. You've discovered > there are wackos in this movement. They exist in every movement. But you > should address those arguments that have merit, to be intellectually > honest. In fact, the vast majority of AVers want to have adverse > reactions tracked more effectively and without allopathic medical bias. > Just like there are reporting procedures for all drug reactions to > determine its' safety. What they don't want are their children tracked > while there are laws in place that penalizes noncompliance. Your flippant > superficial response may sound good. But it shows that you do not want to > tackle the real issue. > > >The chiropractic analogy is ludicrous given the evidence of the > >efficacy of > >chiropractic adjustments for anything other than back pain. > > -----------------------------You're looking at the trees and not the > forest. The point is that while many philosophies like Natural Hygiene or > chiropractic have successes, they don't make everyone apply it > manditorily through government enforcement. I think people will live > healthier, longer lives if they eat bananas and bean sprouts. I just > don't believe people should be forced to eat it. Do you get it now? > > You didn't respond to my reference to my chicken pox article. Doctors are > killing the children. Is there a fatter target I could give you?! > > gary > > Coalition For Informed Choice. Krasner, Director > PO Box 230426, Hollis, NY 11423 > fax/phone: 718-479-2939, email: gk-cfic@... > " Protect your rights! Become an advocate and inform others " > > > Re: [chat] Rotavirus > > > > > >>From: L Krasner <gk-cfic@...> > >> > >>, > >> > >>Perhaps this is part of a debate that I missed, but I don't > >understand > >>what point if any, that you're trying to make. To the best of my > >>knowledge, Health officials currently do not disclose the identities > >of > >>vaccine-injured people to anyone outside the government. For those > >who > >>wish to remain anonymous, even to accredited researchers outside the > >>government, we could establish a procedure where they may indicate > >that > >>desire when they initially report their injuries to the government. > >> > >>This wouldn't even be an issue had governments not allowed allopathic > >>physicians and public health personnel—both educated to be strongly > >>biased in favor of vaccination—to promote and administer > >vaccinations, > >>and ALSO authorize them to evaluate the results, and report to the > >public > >>on its safety and effectiveness. > >> > >>No society gives this much power to any other health philosophy. > >Imagine > >>having universal compulsory spinal adjustments and letting > >chiropractors > >>to both run the bureacracy that enforces the mandate, and also to > >>evaluate the efficacy of spinal adjustments? > >> > >>By the way: > >>Apparently, you want to ask pointed questions to people who have a > >>negative view vaccination. But a couple of months ago I privately > >>forwarded a copy of a 2-page article alleging that medical treatment > >is > >>the cause of deaths from chicken pox. I had hoped for a constructive > >>exchange with you privately in the hope of learning something, > >without > >>the need for either side to " show off " or try to win the argument. > >You > >>never responded. Is it your intention to only search for and comment > >on > >>weak arguments, and ignore questions you cannot answer? > >> > >>I just want to know so I don't waste my time with you. > >> > >>thanks, > >>gary > >> > >>Coalition For Informed Choice. Krasner, Director > >>PO Box 230426, Hollis, NY 11423 > >>fax/phone: 718-479-2939, email: gk-cfic@... > >> " Protect your rights! Become an advocate and inform others " > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>On Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:43:47 -0500 kkramer@... (Kramer, ) > >>writes: > >>>From: kkramer@... (Kramer, ) > >>> > >>>FWIW, the recall of the Rotoshield occurred because of adverse > >>>reaction > >>>reporting. > >>> > >>>How would mandatory reporting of any adverse event or medical > >>>condition > >>>solve the problem without the violation of personal privacy? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2000 Report Share Posted May 5, 2000 what is intussusception?? " The general consensus is that " rotavirus doesn't cause intussusception, RotaShield did, " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2000 Report Share Posted May 5, 2000 The intestine folds in on itself. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 I know this probably sounds stupid but have you tried just plain spring water or spring water mixed with something sweet like pear juice? my son just had the same virus...he drank these good luck to you...sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 My 32 m/o has a very bad case of rotavirus according to his ped. He is limp and weak. I've taken him back to the ped. today and all she says is to let it take it's course without any intervention. Can anyone tell me what I can give him to rebuild his strength? He is only eating crackers with soybutter and drinking water only. He won't take Gatorade or any other drink of that type and doesn't want juice. I'm frantic.. >From: fullarmor@... >Reply- > >Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Liquid DMSA? >Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:09:40 EST > >Lynne: >I have a friend...and I'm going to do this too...who gets the syrup from >the >pharmacist that he would normally use to compound meds in. There are a lot >of flavors to choose from. She uses Pina Colada flavor. She just pours a >little of the syrup onto a spoon and empties the DMSA capsule into the >syrup >and gives it to her son. >I believe it is true that DMSA doesn't stay stable in liquid...it loses >it's >effect. So this is an easier way of still doing a liquid. >Vicki _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Perhaps some really diluted juices would be o.k. I wouldn't worry too much, kids tend to bounce back quicker than you think even when they seem at death's door. The drug store will have Pedialite (sp?), which is specifically designed for this use. Gatorade is not a good idea. When he's ready to eat he'll let you know. Maybe start with a little lightly buttered toast with some jam, or oatmeal with brown sugar and cream in it. One or two spoonfuls should be sufficient. Lots of sleep, of course, helps tremendously. As long as he is drinking enough water not to be dehydrated, don't worry, he'll live! Remember, he's sick and that's the deal when they are really sick! Hope this helps (from an experienced mom), Re: [ ] Re: Liquid DMSA? >Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:09:40 EST > >Lynne: >I have a friend...and I'm going to do this too...who gets the syrup from >the >pharmacist that he would normally use to compound meds in. There are a lot >of flavors to choose from. She uses Pina Colada flavor. She just pours a >little of the syrup onto a spoon and empties the DMSA capsule into the >syrup >and gives it to her son. >I believe it is true that DMSA doesn't stay stable in liquid...it loses >it's >effect. So this is an easier way of still doing a liquid. >Vicki _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Does he like popsicles? Pedialyte makes a popsicle that you might try. My son was real sick with the flu last week and would not eat or drink either. I finally resorted to using a syringe filled with liquid 3 times an hour to keep him hydrated. It was better than nothing. Good luck stacey Re: [ ] Re: Liquid DMSA? >Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:09:40 EST > >Lynne: >I have a friend...and I'm going to do this too...who gets the syrup from >the >pharmacist that he would normally use to compound meds in. There are a lot >of flavors to choose from. She uses Pina Colada flavor. She just pours a >little of the syrup onto a spoon and empties the DMSA capsule into the >syrup >and gives it to her son. >I believe it is true that DMSA doesn't stay stable in liquid...it loses >it's >effect. So this is an easier way of still doing a liquid. >Vicki _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Hi Sheila, my son had Rotavirus also, he was around 9 years old. We had him shipped by ambulance to the Children's hospital because he dehydrated so quickly. It was in 2 hours and he lost consciousness and we could not revive him. He spent 3 days in the hospital. I think as long as your child is alert, and taking fluids it will run it's course. Our son went down very quickly. You might want to check with your local Children's hospital and get a second opinion. It was very scary and I really feel for you. It took our son 3 weeks to really spring back. I think it would depend on how ill your child is prior to this virus. I consider most kids with autism to have many illnesses going on. Good luck. You can write me privately if you are worried. I will try and answer your questions. What I do remember is how quickly they can go down hill so be really alert to this. rkmito5@... Annika Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2002 Report Share Posted March 20, 2002 Ugh! we had this once years ago - very viscous stuff - I would just keep his liquids up and really great that he can tolerate the crackers he is naturally keeping things very bland which is best for his stomach right now - gosh my little one vomited everything and had cronic dia's for a week it took a while for his stomach to tolerate anything at all. And keep up the syringe the Dr's word on this is 10mls every 10minutes is a really good hydration level if he will tolerate that much - but anything would be good. Best of luck Terri NZ Re: [ ] ROTAVIRUS Does he like popsicles? Pedialyte makes a popsicle that you might try. My son was real sick with the flu last week and would not eat or drink either. I finally resorted to using a syringe filled with liquid 3 times an hour to keep him hydrated. It was better than nothing. Good luck stacey Re: [ ] Re: Liquid DMSA? >Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:09:40 EST > >Lynne: >I have a friend...and I'm going to do this too...who gets the syrup from >the >pharmacist that he would normally use to compound meds in. There are a lot >of flavors to choose from. She uses Pina Colada flavor. She just pours a >little of the syrup onto a spoon and empties the DMSA capsule into the >syrup >and gives it to her son. >I believe it is true that DMSA doesn't stay stable in liquid...it loses >it's >effect. So this is an easier way of still doing a liquid. >Vicki _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Hi, I have seen that you all know a lot of kids who have had this rotavirus. It sounds really awful! How can I protect from getting it? Sara & Starband Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Hello, As far as protecting from getting it, I am not sure there really is a way. It's a form of the flu. The doc that treated Jaxson over the weekend said it's the off time right now, normal cases are during the heavy winter months. I did disinfect ALL of his toys after getting out of the hospital and can only hope he doesn't get it again. Kim > Hi, > I have seen that you all know a lot of kids who have had this rotavirus. It > sounds really awful! How can I protect from getting it? > > Sara & > Starband Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Hello, I agree with Kim, my son Korben had the rotavirus and he was in the hospital for 3 days! You can't protect your kids from it and Korben had it bad but he also has a gi-trac infection on top of the virus! But i hope that doesn't get it! Take care and i hope to get to know all of the new parents! Barbara Mom to Korben (DOCband Grad 2-6-02)Kim aka Jaxs mom <kasaint_2@...> wrote: Hello, As far as protecting from getting it, I am not sure there really is a way. It's a form of the flu. The doc that treated Jaxson over the weekend said it's the off time right now, normal cases are during the heavy winter months. I did disinfect ALL of his toys after getting out of the hospital and can only hope he doesn't get it again. Kim > Hi,> I have seen that you all know a lot of kids who have had this rotavirus. It > sounds really awful! How can I protect from getting it?> > Sara & > StarbandFor more plagio info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 the only thing I know is that my 3 month old niecedeveloped intusuception 48 hours after the vax and almost died - had to have emergency surgery to cut out a piece of her colon. that was March 07. GranolaMama5@... wrote: Can anyone provide me with the newest information regarding the rotavirus vaccination. Thanks in advance for the help **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 Yes, my son experienced blood in his stool both times after receiving the rotavirus. At the time they told me her was just allergic to my breastmilk and had nothing to do with the vaccine...any truth to this? Re: rotavirus the only thing I know is that my 3 month old niecedeveloped intusuception 48 hours after the vax and almost died - had to have emergency surgery to cut out a piece of her colon. that was March 07. GranolaMama5@ aol.com wrote: Can anyone provide me with the newest information regarding the rotavirus vaccination. Thanks in advance for the help ************ **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money. aol.com/tax? NCID=aolcmp00300 000002850) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 my neice had blood in her stool as well - that is how they realized there was something wrong- besides the screaming pain she was in. I have never heard of blood in the stool from an allergy to breastmilk... Red San <boxergirl8@...> wrote: Yes, my son experienced blood in his stool both times after receiving the rotavirus. At the time they told me her was just allergic to my breastmilk and had nothing to do with the vaccine...any truth to this? Re: rotavirus the only thing I know is that my 3 month old niecedeveloped intusuception 48 hours after the vax and almost died - had to have emergency surgery to cut out a piece of her colon. that was March 07. GranolaMama5@ aol.com wrote: Can anyone provide me with the newest information regarding the rotavirus vaccination. Thanks in advance for the help ************ **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money. aol.com/tax? NCID=aolcmp00300 000002850) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 yes, and when I asked why he cried all the time, they told me he had acid reflux and told me to give him MAALOX! by medicine dropper. After about two months, I took him off of it...yeah, I'm slow...and just felt in my heart it wasn't good for him (this was before I knew all about the adverse effects of vaccines). Then when I read about Rotateq being taken off of the market a few years ago, I thought maybe the new vaccine was just as bad and started looking at the dates...low and behold...how did they confirm she had the intusuception? MRI/X-ray or something? Re: rotavirus the only thing I know is that my 3 month old niecedeveloped intusuception 48 hours after the vax and almost died - had to have emergency surgery to cut out a piece of her colon. that was March 07. GranolaMama5@ aol.com wrote: Can anyone provide me with the newest information regarding the rotavirus vaccination. Thanks in advance for the help ************ **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money. aol.com/tax? NCID=aolcmp00300 000002850) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 Me, neither. I think that's ridiculous--anything to point the finger away from vaccines, I'd say. Winnie Re: rotavirus > > the only thing I know is that my 3 month old niecedeveloped > intusuception 48 hours after the vax and almost died - had to > have emergency surgery to cut out a piece of her colon. that was > March 07. > > GranolaMama5@ aol.com wrote: Can anyone provide me with the > newest information regarding the rotavirus > vaccination. Thanks in advance for the help > > ************ **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL > Money & > Finance. (http://money. aol.com/tax? NCID=aolcmp00300 000002850) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 At 08:43 PM 4/15/2008, you wrote: >Yes, my son experienced blood in his stool both times after >receiving the rotavirus. At the time they told me her was just >allergic to my breastmilk and had nothing to do with the >vaccine...any truth to this? Seems like you know the truth. Its always everything except the vaccine to them Sheri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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