Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 You could try using lowfat cottage cheese in place of the ricotta. Many don't like the texture of ricotta and make the substitution so I don't see why you couldn't do it due to cost. Carol > --- Oh I know Cheryl, that mindset is a huge problem for me. I guess > it comes from a lifetime eating pattern of just not liking certain > foods. I don't think I am alone here. There must be many people who > just won't eat certain foods no matter how much doctors diet books > people etc try to convince us we should. I realize I have to work > around that and eat the ones I do enjoy but as for trying to acquire > a taste for foods I have hated my entire life, I don't think that is > going to change...I know I run the risk of being bored quicker > eating foods I do like but lordy I don't think I can teach this old > dog that new trick of liking devilled eggs beans hummus etc LOL As > for the Ricotta, I am still looking around for a less expensive > Brand but it runs around 5.89 for a small 6-8 oz tub of it here. > There are numerous brands but they all seem comparable. How does > that price compare with USA?? > > > As someone who has been eating low to moderate carb for about 1 1/2 > > years, I can tell you that changing your way of eating means being > > open to trying new foods and changing the mindset of " I hate ____. " > > Because, unfortunately, unless you try new foods and put variety > into > > your meals, you will not succeed, and will backslide to the foods > you > > " think " you love. > > > > One thing I noticed is that my tastes changed a bit once I got the > > sugars out of my system. Things that had tasted bitter before > didn't > > taste that way any longer. > > > > I tricked myself into learning to like things like broccoli and > > cauliflower and green beans by adding lots of cheese and/or butter/ > > margarine and herbs to them. Yes, I know SBD doesn't allow > unlimited > > cheese (full fat), and I haven't completely read the book yet, but > > there must be something you CAN do that will help you transition > into > > eating different foods. As far as the broccoli/cauliflower gas > > problem, you can buy Beano, or you can just keep eating, knowing > your > > system will get more used to the fiber eventually. LOL! > > > > Maybe if you post what kind of veggies you think you don't like, > > and others will have specific suggestions to make it easier. Just > > a thought... > > > > As for ricotta, it's not horribly expensive here, or at least > > doesn't seem that way to me. The exception is when you buy the > > organic type. Of course, expensive is kind of subjective, so who > > knows. :-) > > > > I'm not a fan of fish either. I like salmon and tuna, and grouper. > > I don't think you have to learn to like all types, but just be > > open to it. Some recipes will probably help. Something simple to > > prepare but with a good flavor. > > > > Good luck. > > Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 You could try using lowfat cottage cheese in place of the ricotta. Many don't like the texture of ricotta and make the substitution so I don't see why you couldn't do it due to cost. Carol > --- Oh I know Cheryl, that mindset is a huge problem for me. I guess > it comes from a lifetime eating pattern of just not liking certain > foods. I don't think I am alone here. There must be many people who > just won't eat certain foods no matter how much doctors diet books > people etc try to convince us we should. I realize I have to work > around that and eat the ones I do enjoy but as for trying to acquire > a taste for foods I have hated my entire life, I don't think that is > going to change...I know I run the risk of being bored quicker > eating foods I do like but lordy I don't think I can teach this old > dog that new trick of liking devilled eggs beans hummus etc LOL As > for the Ricotta, I am still looking around for a less expensive > Brand but it runs around 5.89 for a small 6-8 oz tub of it here. > There are numerous brands but they all seem comparable. How does > that price compare with USA?? > > > As someone who has been eating low to moderate carb for about 1 1/2 > > years, I can tell you that changing your way of eating means being > > open to trying new foods and changing the mindset of " I hate ____. " > > Because, unfortunately, unless you try new foods and put variety > into > > your meals, you will not succeed, and will backslide to the foods > you > > " think " you love. > > > > One thing I noticed is that my tastes changed a bit once I got the > > sugars out of my system. Things that had tasted bitter before > didn't > > taste that way any longer. > > > > I tricked myself into learning to like things like broccoli and > > cauliflower and green beans by adding lots of cheese and/or butter/ > > margarine and herbs to them. Yes, I know SBD doesn't allow > unlimited > > cheese (full fat), and I haven't completely read the book yet, but > > there must be something you CAN do that will help you transition > into > > eating different foods. As far as the broccoli/cauliflower gas > > problem, you can buy Beano, or you can just keep eating, knowing > your > > system will get more used to the fiber eventually. LOL! > > > > Maybe if you post what kind of veggies you think you don't like, > > and others will have specific suggestions to make it easier. Just > > a thought... > > > > As for ricotta, it's not horribly expensive here, or at least > > doesn't seem that way to me. The exception is when you buy the > > organic type. Of course, expensive is kind of subjective, so who > > knows. :-) > > > > I'm not a fan of fish either. I like salmon and tuna, and grouper. > > I don't think you have to learn to like all types, but just be > > open to it. Some recipes will probably help. Something simple to > > prepare but with a good flavor. > > > > Good luck. > > Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Thank you for your post! I too am not a fan of fish, except shrimp. But I willing to keep trying it. I am sure I will find something out there. Anne > >Reply-To: South-Beach-Diet-Getting-It-Right >To: <South-Beach-Diet-Getting-It-Right > >Subject: RE: Re: IS this Normal?? >Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 08:55:56 -0700 > >---OMG I feel dooomed already! Readiing this(and thanks I know you >are trying to help)and having another look a phase one in the book, >all I can say is HELP! I hate beans, most veggies & not an onion or >pepper lover at all. My veggies of choice seem to be the ones off > >As someone who has been eating low to moderate carb for about 1 1/2 >years, I can tell you that changing your way of eating means being >open to trying new foods and changing the mindset of " I hate ____. " >Because, unfortunately, unless you try new foods and put variety into >your meals, you will not succeed, and will backslide to the foods you > " think " you love. > >One thing I noticed is that my tastes changed a bit once I got the >sugars out of my system. Things that had tasted bitter before didn't >taste that way any longer. > >I tricked myself into learning to like things like broccoli and >cauliflower and green beans by adding lots of cheese and/or butter/ >margarine and herbs to them. Yes, I know SBD doesn't allow unlimited >cheese (full fat), and I haven't completely read the book yet, but >there must be something you CAN do that will help you transition into >eating different foods. As far as the broccoli/cauliflower gas >problem, you can buy Beano, or you can just keep eating, knowing your >system will get more used to the fiber eventually. LOL! > >Maybe if you post what kind of veggies you think you don't like, >and others will have specific suggestions to make it easier. Just >a thought... > >As for ricotta, it's not horribly expensive here, or at least >doesn't seem that way to me. The exception is when you buy the >organic type. Of course, expensive is kind of subjective, so who >knows. :-) > >I'm not a fan of fish either. I like salmon and tuna, and grouper. >I don't think you have to learn to like all types, but just be >open to it. Some recipes will probably help. Something simple to >prepare but with a good flavor. > >Good luck. >Cheryl > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Learn to simplify your finances and your life in Streamline Your Life from MSN Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0405streamline.armx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Thank you for your post! I too am not a fan of fish, except shrimp. But I willing to keep trying it. I am sure I will find something out there. Anne > >Reply-To: South-Beach-Diet-Getting-It-Right >To: <South-Beach-Diet-Getting-It-Right > >Subject: RE: Re: IS this Normal?? >Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 08:55:56 -0700 > >---OMG I feel dooomed already! Readiing this(and thanks I know you >are trying to help)and having another look a phase one in the book, >all I can say is HELP! I hate beans, most veggies & not an onion or >pepper lover at all. My veggies of choice seem to be the ones off > >As someone who has been eating low to moderate carb for about 1 1/2 >years, I can tell you that changing your way of eating means being >open to trying new foods and changing the mindset of " I hate ____. " >Because, unfortunately, unless you try new foods and put variety into >your meals, you will not succeed, and will backslide to the foods you > " think " you love. > >One thing I noticed is that my tastes changed a bit once I got the >sugars out of my system. Things that had tasted bitter before didn't >taste that way any longer. > >I tricked myself into learning to like things like broccoli and >cauliflower and green beans by adding lots of cheese and/or butter/ >margarine and herbs to them. Yes, I know SBD doesn't allow unlimited >cheese (full fat), and I haven't completely read the book yet, but >there must be something you CAN do that will help you transition into >eating different foods. As far as the broccoli/cauliflower gas >problem, you can buy Beano, or you can just keep eating, knowing your >system will get more used to the fiber eventually. LOL! > >Maybe if you post what kind of veggies you think you don't like, >and others will have specific suggestions to make it easier. Just >a thought... > >As for ricotta, it's not horribly expensive here, or at least >doesn't seem that way to me. The exception is when you buy the >organic type. Of course, expensive is kind of subjective, so who >knows. :-) > >I'm not a fan of fish either. I like salmon and tuna, and grouper. >I don't think you have to learn to like all types, but just be >open to it. Some recipes will probably help. Something simple to >prepare but with a good flavor. > >Good luck. >Cheryl > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Learn to simplify your finances and your life in Streamline Your Life from MSN Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0405streamline.armx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 lexigrandma1 wrote: > 75 calories worth...that's a bunch! > > > And how much sugar > free jello is allowed to be consumed in one day?? Heck yeah. -- Terri B. Creative Memories Consultant Mom to Kali (7/24/03) and wife to Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 lexigrandma1 wrote: > 75 calories worth...that's a bunch! > > > And how much sugar > free jello is allowed to be consumed in one day?? Heck yeah. -- Terri B. Creative Memories Consultant Mom to Kali (7/24/03) and wife to Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 ---ooh good to know I haven't gone overboard on it yet! thanks.(I am turning green though(my daughter likes only lime jello so thats all I had til yesterday!!LOL In South-Beach-Diet-Getting-It-Right , Terri Babcock <saguaromoon@c...> wrote: > lexigrandma1 wrote: > > > 75 calories worth...that's a bunch! > > > > > > And how much sugar > > free jello is allowed to be consumed in one day?? > > > > Heck yeah. > > > -- > Terri B. > Creative Memories Consultant > Mom to Kali (7/24/03) and wife to Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Have you tried Cod, it's a very mild fish, or catfish fillets?? Both are good with lemon squeezed on them and baked till done. I love Cod, even have it for breakfast sometimes! ¸..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- God's Blessings -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´* http://www.stitch-n-frame.net Thank you for your post! I too am not a fan of fish, except shrimp. But I willing to keep trying it. I am sure I will find something out there. Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 I honestly think that one of the most important things we can pass on to our children are good eating habits and knowledge about choosing and preparing foods. And involving your children, regardless of gender, in helping shop and prepare food is an excellent way to do this. Yadda, yadda, I know you're tired of hearing this stuff. OK, I'm off the soapbox. > I watch my 5 year old cousin everyday and I try to feed her healthy goods, she eats 2-3 meals here a day. She likes broccoli, spinach, cailiflower, salads, eggplant........... > Basically she eats what we eat which is low sugar, lower fat, ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 I honestly think that one of the most important things we can pass on to our children are good eating habits and knowledge about choosing and preparing foods. And involving your children, regardless of gender, in helping shop and prepare food is an excellent way to do this. Yadda, yadda, I know you're tired of hearing this stuff. OK, I'm off the soapbox. > I watch my 5 year old cousin everyday and I try to feed her healthy goods, she eats 2-3 meals here a day. She likes broccoli, spinach, cailiflower, salads, eggplant........... > Basically she eats what we eat which is low sugar, lower fat, ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Unfortunately, if you are speaking of the type I think you are speaking of... it is not allowed in either phase. Watch those low-carb yogurts. (is it Dannon Light 'n Fit Carb Control?) Most of the 'low-carb' yogurts I have seen still have some fat in them. The Dannon one (Carb Control) has 3g of fat per serving, I do believe. The Dannon one is odd, because it is called a 'dairy snack', and not yogurt. Odd. Yogurt is allowed on Phase 1, but only plain nonfat, no sugar added yogurt. I am not sure if Blue Bunny makes plain ones. Even in Phase 2, when you are allowed flavored yogurt, it still needs to be nonfat, and no sugar added. I know it is tough to remember with all of the 'Low-Carb' hoopla... but, SBD is not about low-carb at all. Many of those lowcarb products don't fall into the SBD eating plan (fat content is too high... as well as sometimes sugar content). Just be sure to check ingredients! I get Blue Bunny "Lite 85" at SuperWalmart. S.Walmart also has their own brand of no sugar added yogurt that is pretty good. (but, I LOVE Blue Bunny) Re: Re: IS this Normal?? Today I bought the vanilla flavored low-carb yogurt -- I think Dannon makes it. I bought the 4 pack - the containers are smaller than regular size ones. Can we eat this on Phase I? I know yogurt isn't allowed, but wasn't that written before the low carb stuff came out? Olena FitzaAvon Independent Sales RepLoveAvon@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Yes, it's the carb control yogurt. I don't understand why that one has more fat than others when it's made from skim milk? I assumed since it was made from skim milk and sweetener, it would be ok. Like you said, odd. I did see the Blue Bunny lite 85 at Super K yesterday but thought it was a new generic for them. I'll check it out next time. The nearest Super Wal-Mart is about 20 minutes away -- one is opening up here this year. I can't wait Thanks for your help! Sig file Olena Fitza Avon Independent Sales Rep LoveAvon@... stephi2377 wrote: Unfortunately, if you are speaking of the type I think you are speaking of... it is not allowed in either phase. Watch those low-carb yogurts. (is it Dannon Light 'n Fit Carb Control?) Most of the 'low-carb' yogurts I have seen still have some fat in them. The Dannon one (Carb Control) has 3g of fat per serving, I do believe. The Dannon one is odd, because it is called a 'dairy snack', and not yogurt. Odd. Yogurt is allowed on Phase 1, but only plain nonfat, no sugar added yogurt. I am not sure if Blue Bunny makes plain ones. Even in Phase 2, when you are allowed flavored yogurt, it still needs to be nonfat, and no sugar added. I know it is tough to remember with all of the 'Low-Carb' hoopla... but, SBD is not about low-carb at all. Many of those lowcarb products don't fall into the SBD eating plan (fat content is too high... as well as sometimes sugar content). Just be sure to check ingredients! I get Blue Bunny "Lite 85" at SuperWalmart. S.Walmart also has their own brand of no sugar added yogurt that is pretty good. (but, I LOVE Blue Bunny) ----- Original Message ----- From: Olena To: South-Beach-Diet-Getting-It-Right Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: Re: Re: IS this Normal?? Today I bought the vanilla flavored low-carb yogurt -- I think Dannon makes it. I bought the 4 pack - the containers are smaller than regular size ones. Can we eat this on Phase I? I know yogurt isn't allowed, but wasn't that written before the low carb stuff came out? Olena Fitza Avon Independent Sales Rep LoveAvon@... Reminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the good ones-and enables you to live quite happily without the bad carbs and bad fats. For more on this WOE please read "The South Beach Diet" by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Yes, it's the carb control yogurt. I don't understand why that one has more fat than others when it's made from skim milk? I assumed since it was made from skim milk and sweetener, it would be ok. Like you said, odd. I did see the Blue Bunny lite 85 at Super K yesterday but thought it was a new generic for them. I'll check it out next time. The nearest Super Wal-Mart is about 20 minutes away -- one is opening up here this year. I can't wait Thanks for your help! Sig file Olena Fitza Avon Independent Sales Rep LoveAvon@... stephi2377 wrote: Unfortunately, if you are speaking of the type I think you are speaking of... it is not allowed in either phase. Watch those low-carb yogurts. (is it Dannon Light 'n Fit Carb Control?) Most of the 'low-carb' yogurts I have seen still have some fat in them. The Dannon one (Carb Control) has 3g of fat per serving, I do believe. The Dannon one is odd, because it is called a 'dairy snack', and not yogurt. Odd. Yogurt is allowed on Phase 1, but only plain nonfat, no sugar added yogurt. I am not sure if Blue Bunny makes plain ones. Even in Phase 2, when you are allowed flavored yogurt, it still needs to be nonfat, and no sugar added. I know it is tough to remember with all of the 'Low-Carb' hoopla... but, SBD is not about low-carb at all. Many of those lowcarb products don't fall into the SBD eating plan (fat content is too high... as well as sometimes sugar content). Just be sure to check ingredients! I get Blue Bunny "Lite 85" at SuperWalmart. S.Walmart also has their own brand of no sugar added yogurt that is pretty good. (but, I LOVE Blue Bunny) ----- Original Message ----- From: Olena To: South-Beach-Diet-Getting-It-Right Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: Re: Re: IS this Normal?? Today I bought the vanilla flavored low-carb yogurt -- I think Dannon makes it. I bought the 4 pack - the containers are smaller than regular size ones. Can we eat this on Phase I? I know yogurt isn't allowed, but wasn't that written before the low carb stuff came out? Olena Fitza Avon Independent Sales Rep LoveAvon@... Reminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the good ones-and enables you to live quite happily without the bad carbs and bad fats. For more on this WOE please read "The South Beach Diet" by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 >>> This may fly in the face of the wisdom of the list, but when DH and Istarted this diet, he had cravings as bad as you. We did not limit theamount of sugar free jello we ate, just so that we would not give up on thediet. Between the two of us we ate 2 packages of SF jello each evening. Westill lost weight. But this was all the "sweets" we allowed ourselves in thefirst Phase. Just wanted to say that for most people I doubt eating extra SF jello (or drinking lots of SF soda) would cause any problem. For myself, as a type 2 diabetic, I have found that products with nutrasweet cause a rebound hunger AND even a slight rise in my blood sugar. Products with Splenda don't seem to bother me. I don't have any handy, but which sweetener does Jello use? Does any company make a gelatin dessert using Splenda? Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 What a great job you're doing. I honestly didn't know/don't see many children who will even try the veggies you mentioned, let alone like them and eat them without being forced. Spinach casserole sounds good... do you have a recipe? I don't agree, however, that all kids learn by example. Some children still don't want to eat foods they perceive as yucky. LOL! Especially since so often they have access to snack foods/junk foods at school or a friend's house or at the store when they spend their allowance. My sister and her husband ate very healthy when her two kids were growing up (they still do), but both kids did their own thing. Their son ate like a vegetarian for the most part. He ate lots of veggies, very little meat (mostly chicken), and cheese/eggs. He absolutely would not eat what his family ate as he grew older, choosing to fix his own meals instead. Their daughter was a junk food junkie from the get-go. She wouldn't eat what the family ate, throwing fits, and finally getting something for herself. She would BUY her own junk food to keep at home. I think it's hard to generalize in anything, but setting a good example never hurts, that's for sure. Cheryl I watch my 5 year old cousin everyday and I try to feed her healthy goods, she eats 2-3 meals here a day. She likes broccoli, spinach, cailiflower, salads, eggplant........... Basically she eats what we eat which is low sugar, lower fat, ect. I had a kidney transplant 10 years ago and I have to eat healthy. Tonight I made spinach casserole with ricotta, a litttle feta. onions, 2 eggs, a little garlic and she ate hers all up plus she asked got seconds! Kids learn by example and if they see you eating good foods they learn to eat like that also. For breakfast she has Cheerios or oatmeal with fruit and yogurt. lunch usually some fresh turkey or chicken sandwich on wheat bread or a little roll or some soup. She can have her goodies too but I give her one or two cookies with low fat milk in the afternoon or she has fruit. It helps also that she "helps" me cook so she's proud that she contributed to the meal also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 What a great job you're doing. I honestly didn't know/don't see many children who will even try the veggies you mentioned, let alone like them and eat them without being forced. Spinach casserole sounds good... do you have a recipe? I don't agree, however, that all kids learn by example. Some children still don't want to eat foods they perceive as yucky. LOL! Especially since so often they have access to snack foods/junk foods at school or a friend's house or at the store when they spend their allowance. My sister and her husband ate very healthy when her two kids were growing up (they still do), but both kids did their own thing. Their son ate like a vegetarian for the most part. He ate lots of veggies, very little meat (mostly chicken), and cheese/eggs. He absolutely would not eat what his family ate as he grew older, choosing to fix his own meals instead. Their daughter was a junk food junkie from the get-go. She wouldn't eat what the family ate, throwing fits, and finally getting something for herself. She would BUY her own junk food to keep at home. I think it's hard to generalize in anything, but setting a good example never hurts, that's for sure. Cheryl I watch my 5 year old cousin everyday and I try to feed her healthy goods, she eats 2-3 meals here a day. She likes broccoli, spinach, cailiflower, salads, eggplant........... Basically she eats what we eat which is low sugar, lower fat, ect. I had a kidney transplant 10 years ago and I have to eat healthy. Tonight I made spinach casserole with ricotta, a litttle feta. onions, 2 eggs, a little garlic and she ate hers all up plus she asked got seconds! Kids learn by example and if they see you eating good foods they learn to eat like that also. For breakfast she has Cheerios or oatmeal with fruit and yogurt. lunch usually some fresh turkey or chicken sandwich on wheat bread or a little roll or some soup. She can have her goodies too but I give her one or two cookies with low fat milk in the afternoon or she has fruit. It helps also that she "helps" me cook so she's proud that she contributed to the meal also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 >>> Yes, it's the carb control yogurt. I don't understand why that one has more fat than others when it's made from skim milk? I assumed since it was made from skim milk and sweetener, it would be ok. Like you said, odd. I did see the Blue Bunny lite 85 at Super K yesterday but thought it was a new generic for them. I'll check it out The Dannon Light 'n Fit Carb Control yogurt -- 4 ounce cup -- has: 60 calories, 3 g. fat, 2 g. saturated fat, 3 g. carbohydrates (3 g. sugars). Ingredients: Water, ultra-filtered skim milk, cream, raspberry puree, less than 1% whey protein component, modified corn starch, Kosher gelatin, natural and artificial flavors, sucralose, potassium sorbate... has active yogurt cultures. The Blue Bunny lite 85 yogurt -- not sure what size -- has: 50 calories, 0 g. fat, 9 g. carbohydrates (5 g. sugar) It's made from fat free milk, fruit preparation (?--I'm not going to type it all out, but it's fruit, flavors, starch, sucralose, etc.)... has active cultures. The biggest differences are obvious. One has more fat and is made from SKIM milk. The other is higher is carbs and is made from fat-free milk. I'm not going to argue with Dr. A and his diet, but for myself, I probably wouldn't eat either. I don't like fat-free products. They are what got me into trouble back in the 80s/90s. And 9 g. of carbs is higher than I like, although being lactose, it's not quite as bad as some sugars. This, to me, is one of the problems with the SBD, although I'm still going to give it a try. It tries to play both ends of the battle, with "relatively" low fat (focusing on good fats) and "relatively" low (so-called good) carbs. Considering the article I read yesterday lumped SBD and Atkins both into the low carb wagon, and it was a report on research into how low carbing affects one's health, my verdict is still out. Much of the research I read (from the medical library and PubMed) seems to indicate that saturated fats BY THEMSELVES aren't as big a problem as people thought. It seems to me I even read something in the SBD book that mentions the verdict is still out. And I wonder how much of the problem is actually related to the trans fats, rather than "natural" saturated fats such as are in milk. Anyway, that's my soapbox subject for the day. Does anyone know of a yogurt that does work for the SBD but is NOT completely fat free and also relatively low in carbs (under 5 would be good)? Thanks, Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 >>> Yes, it's the carb control yogurt. I don't understand why that one has more fat than others when it's made from skim milk? I assumed since it was made from skim milk and sweetener, it would be ok. Like you said, odd. I did see the Blue Bunny lite 85 at Super K yesterday but thought it was a new generic for them. I'll check it out The Dannon Light 'n Fit Carb Control yogurt -- 4 ounce cup -- has: 60 calories, 3 g. fat, 2 g. saturated fat, 3 g. carbohydrates (3 g. sugars). Ingredients: Water, ultra-filtered skim milk, cream, raspberry puree, less than 1% whey protein component, modified corn starch, Kosher gelatin, natural and artificial flavors, sucralose, potassium sorbate... has active yogurt cultures. The Blue Bunny lite 85 yogurt -- not sure what size -- has: 50 calories, 0 g. fat, 9 g. carbohydrates (5 g. sugar) It's made from fat free milk, fruit preparation (?--I'm not going to type it all out, but it's fruit, flavors, starch, sucralose, etc.)... has active cultures. The biggest differences are obvious. One has more fat and is made from SKIM milk. The other is higher is carbs and is made from fat-free milk. I'm not going to argue with Dr. A and his diet, but for myself, I probably wouldn't eat either. I don't like fat-free products. They are what got me into trouble back in the 80s/90s. And 9 g. of carbs is higher than I like, although being lactose, it's not quite as bad as some sugars. This, to me, is one of the problems with the SBD, although I'm still going to give it a try. It tries to play both ends of the battle, with "relatively" low fat (focusing on good fats) and "relatively" low (so-called good) carbs. Considering the article I read yesterday lumped SBD and Atkins both into the low carb wagon, and it was a report on research into how low carbing affects one's health, my verdict is still out. Much of the research I read (from the medical library and PubMed) seems to indicate that saturated fats BY THEMSELVES aren't as big a problem as people thought. It seems to me I even read something in the SBD book that mentions the verdict is still out. And I wonder how much of the problem is actually related to the trans fats, rather than "natural" saturated fats such as are in milk. Anyway, that's my soapbox subject for the day. Does anyone know of a yogurt that does work for the SBD but is NOT completely fat free and also relatively low in carbs (under 5 would be good)? Thanks, Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 >>> Yes, it's the carb control yogurt. I don't understand why that one has more fat than others when it's made from skim milk? I assumed since it was made from skim milk and sweetener, it would be ok. Like you said, odd. I did see the Blue Bunny lite 85 at Super K yesterday but thought it was a new generic for them. I'll check it out The Dannon Light 'n Fit Carb Control yogurt -- 4 ounce cup -- has: 60 calories, 3 g. fat, 2 g. saturated fat, 3 g. carbohydrates (3 g. sugars). Ingredients: Water, ultra-filtered skim milk, cream, raspberry puree, less than 1% whey protein component, modified corn starch, Kosher gelatin, natural and artificial flavors, sucralose, potassium sorbate... has active yogurt cultures. The Blue Bunny lite 85 yogurt -- not sure what size -- has: 50 calories, 0 g. fat, 9 g. carbohydrates (5 g. sugar) It's made from fat free milk, fruit preparation (?--I'm not going to type it all out, but it's fruit, flavors, starch, sucralose, etc.)... has active cultures. The biggest differences are obvious. One has more fat and is made from SKIM milk. The other is higher is carbs and is made from fat-free milk. I'm not going to argue with Dr. A and his diet, but for myself, I probably wouldn't eat either. I don't like fat-free products. They are what got me into trouble back in the 80s/90s. And 9 g. of carbs is higher than I like, although being lactose, it's not quite as bad as some sugars. This, to me, is one of the problems with the SBD, although I'm still going to give it a try. It tries to play both ends of the battle, with "relatively" low fat (focusing on good fats) and "relatively" low (so-called good) carbs. Considering the article I read yesterday lumped SBD and Atkins both into the low carb wagon, and it was a report on research into how low carbing affects one's health, my verdict is still out. Much of the research I read (from the medical library and PubMed) seems to indicate that saturated fats BY THEMSELVES aren't as big a problem as people thought. It seems to me I even read something in the SBD book that mentions the verdict is still out. And I wonder how much of the problem is actually related to the trans fats, rather than "natural" saturated fats such as are in milk. Anyway, that's my soapbox subject for the day. Does anyone know of a yogurt that does work for the SBD but is NOT completely fat free and also relatively low in carbs (under 5 would be good)? Thanks, Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 I don't know of any yogurt... but, I was only looking for nonfat no-sugar-added yogurts (I prefer ones with Splenda). Maybe someone else will have some ideas. I am not a fan of nonfat stuff, in general. But, I don't mind nonfat yogurt (the Blue Bunny one, at least). I won't eat nonfat cheese, mayo, salad dressing, etc. It is usually loaded with too much sugar and calories. I am following South Beach because it was recommended by all 3 of my drs. (OB, endocrinologist, and ortho surgeon who does not want to have to operate on my knees again). They all said NO to Atkins, but were supportive of South Beach due to the concentration on whole grains, lean meats, fresh fruits/veggies, lower-fat dairy and NO transfats. (I agree that transfats are a big NO-NO... and SBD focuses on that as well) Also, the big focus on glycemic index. I still don't agree with that article that South Beach is low-carb, and can't stand when it is lumped into 'low-carbing' articles. I eat starches... but, whole grain ones. I eat carbs.. but, ones found in veggies, dairy, etc. I believe it is a healthy way of eating... not a 'fad' diet at all. How is it low-carb? All the low-carb craze is making me crazy as well. They are eating 'low-carb' with no thought to transfats and often, sugars. I, personally, want to follow the SBD to the 'letter'. But, each person has to do what works for them. If you want to avoid fat free dairy, then find dairy that you feel comfortable with. If you lose weight, great! I have just struggled so long with weight. And, SBD is working for me (30 pounds since the beginning of March). So... for now, I am going to follow it exactly. Hopefully, you'll find some yummy yogurt to try!!! *************** Considering the article I read yesterday lumped SBD and Atkins both into the low carb wagon, and it was a report on research into how low carbing affects one's health, my verdict is still out. Much of the research I read (from the medical library and PubMed) seems to indicate that saturated fats BY THEMSELVES aren't as big a problem as people thought. It seems to me I even read something in the SBD book that mentions the verdict is still out. And I wonder how much of the problem is actually related to the trans fats, rather than " natural " saturated fats such as are in milk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 I don't know of any yogurt... but, I was only looking for nonfat no-sugar-added yogurts (I prefer ones with Splenda). Maybe someone else will have some ideas. I am not a fan of nonfat stuff, in general. But, I don't mind nonfat yogurt (the Blue Bunny one, at least). I won't eat nonfat cheese, mayo, salad dressing, etc. It is usually loaded with too much sugar and calories. I am following South Beach because it was recommended by all 3 of my drs. (OB, endocrinologist, and ortho surgeon who does not want to have to operate on my knees again). They all said NO to Atkins, but were supportive of South Beach due to the concentration on whole grains, lean meats, fresh fruits/veggies, lower-fat dairy and NO transfats. (I agree that transfats are a big NO-NO... and SBD focuses on that as well) Also, the big focus on glycemic index. I still don't agree with that article that South Beach is low-carb, and can't stand when it is lumped into 'low-carbing' articles. I eat starches... but, whole grain ones. I eat carbs.. but, ones found in veggies, dairy, etc. I believe it is a healthy way of eating... not a 'fad' diet at all. How is it low-carb? All the low-carb craze is making me crazy as well. They are eating 'low-carb' with no thought to transfats and often, sugars. I, personally, want to follow the SBD to the 'letter'. But, each person has to do what works for them. If you want to avoid fat free dairy, then find dairy that you feel comfortable with. If you lose weight, great! I have just struggled so long with weight. And, SBD is working for me (30 pounds since the beginning of March). So... for now, I am going to follow it exactly. Hopefully, you'll find some yummy yogurt to try!!! *************** Considering the article I read yesterday lumped SBD and Atkins both into the low carb wagon, and it was a report on research into how low carbing affects one's health, my verdict is still out. Much of the research I read (from the medical library and PubMed) seems to indicate that saturated fats BY THEMSELVES aren't as big a problem as people thought. It seems to me I even read something in the SBD book that mentions the verdict is still out. And I wonder how much of the problem is actually related to the trans fats, rather than " natural " saturated fats such as are in milk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 >>> I am following South Beach because it was recommended by all 3 of my drs. (OB, endocrinologist, and ortho surgeon who does not want to have to operate on my knees again). They all said NO to Atkins, but were supportive of South Beach due to the concentration on whole grains, lean meats, fresh fruits/veggies, lower-fat dairy and NO transfats. (I agree that transfats are a big NO-NO... and SBD focuses on that as well) Also, the big focus on glycemic index. My doctor recommended Atkins, as do many of the doctors I've talked to around here. They wouldn't say no to SBD, though, IMO. I think many doctors, and this is just a guess, don't really know much about how Atkins is supposed to be used, from the induction phase through the addition of more carbs on a regular basis until you're at a point where you are just losing a small amount of weight per week. I was doing Atkins, eating some whole grains (not many because I still have a mental addiction to them), eating berries and lots of veggies, and watching out for trans fats. I ate only a small amount of dairy because it's not something I enjoy on a regular basis unless it's high calorie, high fat/sugar ice cream. LOL! >>> I still don't agree with that article that South Beach is low-carb, and can't stand when it is lumped into 'low-carbing' articles. I eat starches... but, whole grain ones. I eat carbs.. but, ones found in veggies, dairy, etc. I believe it is a healthy way of eating... not a 'fad' diet at all. How is it low-carb? All the low-carb craze is making me crazy as well. They are eating 'low-carb' with no thought to transfats and often, sugars. It doesn't bother me, but that's because I think that both SB and Atkins are very low carb to start with, and both become more moderate as you progress through the phases. Atkins gets a bad rap from many because so many follow it without actually learning how it's supposed to be used. It's that old 'eat all the steak, eggs, and bacon you want and nothing else' mentality from the seventies... and that's exactly how many follow it. I don't think that SB is a fad diet. I don't think Atkins, used properly, is either. As to how it's low carb, I think it's a perspective thing. Compare SB to the average person's daily intake of carbs. How many carbs do you eat now versus in the past? My dietician (when I was diagnosed with diabetes) told me to eat 200-300 carbs a day. He told the guy next to me to eat 150 carbs per meal. My BG goes skyhigh when I do that. I can't tolerate that many, so if I now eat 100 carbs a day versus 300 or more in the past, is that low carb? I'd say it's low to moderate, but it's subjective. I do agree that the craze has gotten out of hand. It's much like the low-fat thing... eat low fat cookies, not veggies; eat low carb cookies, not veggies. The best thing, I think, is to concentrate on lean proteins, good fats, lots of veggies, and the occasional grain product (the best one you can find as far as the whole fat/carb/fiber thing goes). That's not so different than ANY of the diet programs I've seen in the last ten years, but it's all in how the book is written and how the person reading it interprets it. >>> I, personally, want to follow the SBD to the 'letter'. But, each person has to do what works for them. I can totally relate to that. I would do that too if it wasn't for my diabetes. I've done too much research to follow anything blindly. :-) >>> If you want to avoid fat free dairy, then find dairy that you feel comfortable with. If you lose weight, great! I have just struggled so long with weight. And, SBD is working for me (30 pounds since the beginning of March). So... for now, I am going to follow it exactly. Fabulous results! I'm hoping to lose weight, but that is not my primary goal. First comes health -- keeping my blood sugars stable and keeping my A1C in non-diabetic range. Next comes feeling good and having energy. Finally comes weight loss, I hope and pray. It would help the first two, but I can't sacrifice either one in the hunt for the weight loss. Having high blood sugars for any length of time begins the process that leads to complications, and I'm not willing to do that. :-) I wish I'd known about SB or any of the other "better than low fat only" plans years ago. I'm still trying to get the full gist of what you can and can't eat. I see the listing in the Good Carbs book for nonfat yogurt, so I may try and find one with a lower amount of sugar OR take some Metamucil along with that meal. The added fiber will slow the absorption of the milk sugars and thus keep my BG nice and calm. But I'm having trouble figuring out if there are things you MUST eat on a daily basis. Is it just me? Is this portion of the book evading me? LOL! And I recall hearing about tomato juice... I assume this is plain tomato juice, not V8 or veggie juice? Any problem shooting it full of Tabasco? Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 >>> I am following South Beach because it was recommended by all 3 of my drs. (OB, endocrinologist, and ortho surgeon who does not want to have to operate on my knees again). They all said NO to Atkins, but were supportive of South Beach due to the concentration on whole grains, lean meats, fresh fruits/veggies, lower-fat dairy and NO transfats. (I agree that transfats are a big NO-NO... and SBD focuses on that as well) Also, the big focus on glycemic index. My doctor recommended Atkins, as do many of the doctors I've talked to around here. They wouldn't say no to SBD, though, IMO. I think many doctors, and this is just a guess, don't really know much about how Atkins is supposed to be used, from the induction phase through the addition of more carbs on a regular basis until you're at a point where you are just losing a small amount of weight per week. I was doing Atkins, eating some whole grains (not many because I still have a mental addiction to them), eating berries and lots of veggies, and watching out for trans fats. I ate only a small amount of dairy because it's not something I enjoy on a regular basis unless it's high calorie, high fat/sugar ice cream. LOL! >>> I still don't agree with that article that South Beach is low-carb, and can't stand when it is lumped into 'low-carbing' articles. I eat starches... but, whole grain ones. I eat carbs.. but, ones found in veggies, dairy, etc. I believe it is a healthy way of eating... not a 'fad' diet at all. How is it low-carb? All the low-carb craze is making me crazy as well. They are eating 'low-carb' with no thought to transfats and often, sugars. It doesn't bother me, but that's because I think that both SB and Atkins are very low carb to start with, and both become more moderate as you progress through the phases. Atkins gets a bad rap from many because so many follow it without actually learning how it's supposed to be used. It's that old 'eat all the steak, eggs, and bacon you want and nothing else' mentality from the seventies... and that's exactly how many follow it. I don't think that SB is a fad diet. I don't think Atkins, used properly, is either. As to how it's low carb, I think it's a perspective thing. Compare SB to the average person's daily intake of carbs. How many carbs do you eat now versus in the past? My dietician (when I was diagnosed with diabetes) told me to eat 200-300 carbs a day. He told the guy next to me to eat 150 carbs per meal. My BG goes skyhigh when I do that. I can't tolerate that many, so if I now eat 100 carbs a day versus 300 or more in the past, is that low carb? I'd say it's low to moderate, but it's subjective. I do agree that the craze has gotten out of hand. It's much like the low-fat thing... eat low fat cookies, not veggies; eat low carb cookies, not veggies. The best thing, I think, is to concentrate on lean proteins, good fats, lots of veggies, and the occasional grain product (the best one you can find as far as the whole fat/carb/fiber thing goes). That's not so different than ANY of the diet programs I've seen in the last ten years, but it's all in how the book is written and how the person reading it interprets it. >>> I, personally, want to follow the SBD to the 'letter'. But, each person has to do what works for them. I can totally relate to that. I would do that too if it wasn't for my diabetes. I've done too much research to follow anything blindly. :-) >>> If you want to avoid fat free dairy, then find dairy that you feel comfortable with. If you lose weight, great! I have just struggled so long with weight. And, SBD is working for me (30 pounds since the beginning of March). So... for now, I am going to follow it exactly. Fabulous results! I'm hoping to lose weight, but that is not my primary goal. First comes health -- keeping my blood sugars stable and keeping my A1C in non-diabetic range. Next comes feeling good and having energy. Finally comes weight loss, I hope and pray. It would help the first two, but I can't sacrifice either one in the hunt for the weight loss. Having high blood sugars for any length of time begins the process that leads to complications, and I'm not willing to do that. :-) I wish I'd known about SB or any of the other "better than low fat only" plans years ago. I'm still trying to get the full gist of what you can and can't eat. I see the listing in the Good Carbs book for nonfat yogurt, so I may try and find one with a lower amount of sugar OR take some Metamucil along with that meal. The added fiber will slow the absorption of the milk sugars and thus keep my BG nice and calm. But I'm having trouble figuring out if there are things you MUST eat on a daily basis. Is it just me? Is this portion of the book evading me? LOL! And I recall hearing about tomato juice... I assume this is plain tomato juice, not V8 or veggie juice? Any problem shooting it full of Tabasco? Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 >>> There really isn't any particular food you *must* eat every day. The generalguidelines are to eat 5 servings of allowed vegatables and 5 servings ofproteins every day. Which vegetables and which proteins are your choice aslong as they are on the allowed list. That'll work. :-) Thanks! >>> In the Book Dr. A. lists V8 (vegetabel juice cocktail) as a breakfast"dish". I really like V8 and will chug down a whole can without thinkingabout it. I adore V8 juice, the spicy version. I may try it in the morning and see how it goes. I'm still compiling a list while we finish up the food in the frig. We had a bunch of full fat cheese since that's one of the items we did allow ourselves. When it's gone, I'm off to the store. Other than it, we're pretty much eating low to moderate carb anyway. Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 Olena wrote: > Where in AZ are you? We used to have a " winter house " in Phoenix. > My sister lives there also. LOVE THAT CITY! (And sdale, Sun City, > etc. etc.) > > Olena Fitza > Avon Independent Sales Rep > > LoveAvon@... > I guess we're in what they call Paradise Valley?. Our apartment is just off 29th street between Bell road and Greenway Parkway. We're LOVING this place as well. -- Terri B. Creative Memories Consultant Mom to Kali (7/24/03) and wife to Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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