test results back

[Guest guest]

:

My son's mercury came back the same...but NOW, 1 1/2 YEARS after known

exposure...it's starting to show up in his hair. Mercury is not the only

problem...lead, arsenic, etc are all toxic too.

[Guest guest]

Hi, my childrens dr. called today and told my husband that their

mercury test came back normal...said " there was an undectable amount " .

So this means to me that they were not affected by mercury, am i

right? any comments? I'm not sure how long after exposure it would

show up in hair. Thanks in advance!

[Guest guest]

> Hi, my childrens dr. called today and told my husband that their

> mercury test came back normal...said " there was an undectable

amount " .

> So this means to me that they were not affected by mercury, am i

> right?

No.

>any comments?

Read the FAQ and the counting rules file and find a real doctor. Get

a copy of that and any other tests in your hot little hands, too, and

get used to doing that rather than believing what doctors tell you.

>I'm not sure how long after exposure it would

> show up in hair.

Read the counting rules file.

>Thanks in advance!

>

> Saman

[Guest guest]

> Thanks Moria, still a little confused as all of this

> is new to me. I read all of the links and am i right

> in understanding maybe try chelation then repeat

> testing?

This level of undersatnding indicates you should re-read the links

several more times and perhaps also have your husband go over them.

>I will have to find a dr. in my area that has

> knowledge of this, mine doesn't know didly. Thanks for

> your help!

Actually you will have to figure most of it out for yourself.

I realize this is difficult and not the way it is suposed to be, but

that is the way it is.

Andy

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I want to send off to Great Plains lab for the hair metals or urine metals

test but I am unsure as to whether we should be provoking with a chelator

before taking the sample. I really want to get it right because the

Australian dollar is very low at the moment, so the cost of the testing will

be double for me. I can't afford to make a mistake and not get an accurate

result.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

.

Re: [ ] test results back

> :

> My son's mercury came back the same...but NOW, 1 1/2 YEARS after known

> exposure...it's starting to show up in his hair. Mercury is not the only

> problem...lead, arsenic, etc are all toxic too.

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

--- In @y..., " Stringer " <stringer@a...>

wrote:

> Hi ,

> I want to send off to Great Plains lab for the hair metals or urine

metals

> test but I am unsure as to whether we should be provoking with a

chelator

> before taking the sample. I really want to get it right because the

> Australian dollar is very low at the moment, so the cost of the

testing will

> be double for me. I can't afford to make a mistake and not get an

accurate

> result.

> Any help would be appreciated.

Get the hair element test. It is more useful and cheaper.

I believe GPL uses Doctor's Data to actually perform the test. You

might want to check what the price is both places. www.doctorsdata.com

and e-mail or call or fax them.

> Thanks

> .

>

> Re: [ ] test results back

>

>

> > :

> > My son's mercury came back the same...but NOW, 1 1/2 YEARS after

known

> > exposure...it's starting to show up in his hair. Mercury is not

the only

> > problem...lead, arsenic, etc are all toxic too.

> >

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

>Hi ,

>I want to send off to Great Plains lab for the hair metals or urine metals

>test but I am unsure as to whether we should be provoking with a chelator

>before taking the sample. I really want to get it right because the

>Australian dollar is very low at the moment, so the cost of the testing will

>be double for me. I can't afford to make a mistake and not get an accurate

>result.

>Any help would be appreciated.

>Thanks

>.

Hi ,

Here are some things you can read if you want:

/files/HOW_TO_hair_test

/files/Counting%2BRules

In this next file look for the sections about " determining mercury

toxicity " . There are some items about " provoked " (or " challenge " )

tests. There are about 3 sections on determining merc toxicity various

different ways:

/files/ANDY_INDE

There ae lots of points of view out there, so, while this may be

good input, you'll have to think it over and decide what you want

to pursue.

best wishes,

Moria

[Guest guest]

On 5/24/06, Lana Gibbons <lana.m.gibbons@...> wrote:

> My vitamin D is *LOW* by " a little bit " 31.4 when 32 is " normal " .

Neither " vitamin D, " " 31.4 " nor " normal " mean anything by themselves.

-- Did you measure your 25 (OH) D or your 1,25 (OH)2 D?

-- Are the units nmol/L or ng/mL?

> I knew I

> was low, but I'm amazed that I am still low even though I spend at least 2

> full days out of the week in the sun with as much bared as the temperature

> will allow, plus as many 15 minute " sunshine " breaks I can get with the

> smoking crowd at work, AND I suppliment CLO AND Vitamin D up to 2,000 IU

> approx every other day. Does this mean I need to take more D, or eat more

> fat, or both?

Well a full day doesn't necessarily provide a full day's worth,

because once you reach a certain concentration of produced vitamin D,

it basically stops producing. The more spread out, the greater the

effect. It would make more sense to get more sun or supplement more

until you are at optimal levels.

> My vitamin A is " normal " .

That certainly doesn't mean anything.

> My cholestorol is " perfect " (This makes me laugh since he was telling me to

> back off on the red meat before he even ran the test and I didn't even tell

> him how many egg yolks I eat a week.)

Haha. :-)

> My blood gluten panel, including IgA is " normal " . I'm actually kind of

> releived because I didn't want to have bad enough gut damage to show up on

> that test. My doc will be authorizing enterolab as an in-network provider

> on my next visit. I don't see how I could be neg to that considering I get

> very ill when I eat even the smallest bit of gluten now that it has been out

> of my diet for a while.

Have you already gotten the enterolab testing or are you just guessing

your are gluten intolerant and confirmed that by feeling better on

gluten-free?

Chris

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[Guest guest]

On 5/24/06, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

>

> Neither " vitamin D, " " 31.4 " nor " normal " mean anything by themselves.

>

> -- Did you measure your 25 (OH) D or your 1,25 (OH)2 D?

> -- Are the units nmol/L or ng/mL?

>

I'll get a copy of the results. I think it was 25 (OH) but I have no idea

on the units.

> Well a full day doesn't necessarily provide a full day's worth,

> because once you reach a certain concentration of produced vitamin D,

> it basically stops producing. The more spread out, the greater the

> effect. It would make more sense to get more sun or supplement more

> until you are at optimal levels.

>

I see, that makes more sense. I'll try to spread the exposure out a

little more.

Have you already gotten the enterolab testing or are you just guessing

> your are gluten intolerant and confirmed that by feeling better on

> gluten-free?

>

Guessing, sorta. More like trial and error. After being GF (including

hidden gluten terms) for only 2 weeks, I discovered that I didn't have IBD.

I wasn't constipated or bloated all the time, things which I had considered

normal since I was a wee girl. Upon accidental exposure to gluten during

that time, I had IBD worse than ever for the next 3 days or so. I felt like

someone scrubbed out my intestines with sand paper, and then doused them

with something corrosive. Needless to say, I went back to GF immediately

after that. After keeping it out of my diet longer, things like soy sauce

started to bother me. Even longer and I started to feel effects when I ate

certain foods marked with cross contamination warnings. I used to make

homebrewed beer, but the last batch I had on the stove made me feel like the

victim of itch powder - it was awful!

Its only been a few months but I feel better than I ever have before. I'm

not sluggish. I'm not gassy all the time (and I used to fart more than a

schoolboy in potty humor stage), I feel much more awake, alert and otherwise

more on my toes. I can even think straighter! If I get accidentally

exposed I go back to square one as soon as the stuff hits my intestines.

Can you be that gluten sensitive and not be technically gluten intolerant?

(A side note, I had actually done a semi-GF diet for a while a few years

before this and had great results with my endometriosis. After that I went

through a period after that where I binged on gluten and then got so ill I

was on disability. The more I read about autoimmune disorders and gluten,

the more I think my endometriosis was caused by life long gluten

intolerance. They say you either love or hate the foods you are allergic to

- and I had a full blown addiction to bread most of my life. Now I really

couldn't care less about it.)

I can't afford what my insurance won't cover if I get enterolab's tests as

an out-of-network. My insurance will accept my doctor's reccomendation to

use that lab though, and therefore it would be in-network and they would

cover almost all of it.

-Lana

[Guest guest]

On 5/24/06, haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote:

>

> Huh, makes you wonder about the Activator X after all, doesn't it?

>

Yeah, the only problem is I've gone CF - can I get Activator X from

something other than butter? (I haven't gotten to reading my copy of NAPD

yet, I've been too busy soaking up sun and planting my garden) I eat plenty

of grass fed meats, and have been moving to better grass fed meats in hope

of removing all traces of gluten from my diet. Its funny, you could put my

favorite cut of meat in front of me and if it were grain fed I would take

two bites and be uninterested. I would literally rather starve. I think

that's why I ended up anorexic back when - I wasn't weight conscious: the

food just wasn't worth eating.

How could your vitamin D be still low? Enzyme deficiency??

>

I don't know - Chris' idea was a good one about sun being more frequency and

not duration. I wouldn't be surprised if I have enzyme issues to a degree -

when I first started NT I wasn't digesting properly. Where can you get

tested for enzymes?

Congrats on proving your closed-minded MD wrong!

>

Heheh, thanks. He was well overdue for that.

-Lana

[Guest guest]

There's one place that sells the " Activator X " on the internet.

It's $60 per bottle; pretty outrageous for butter!

It sounds like a lot of people in Fl are low in D, even with alot of

sun...

In " Soil, Grass, and Cancer " by Andre Voisin, he said one year it

was unusually cloudy in Switzerland and alot of the people had signs

of deficiency from the missing vitamins in the milk, but I forget if

it was low in vitamin A or D. Point is, quality of sunlight seems

to make a difference as well.

> >

> > Huh, makes you wonder about the Activator X after all, doesn't

it?

> >

>

> Yeah, the only problem is I've gone CF - can I get Activator X from

> something other than butter?

[Guest guest]

> I'll get a copy of the results. I think it was 25 (OH) but I have

no idea

> on the units.

That makes a big difference. You have to get the numbers and units,

because whether the lab calls it " normal " or not has little to do

with what makes for optimal health.

> > Well a full day doesn't necessarily provide a full day's worth,

> > because once you reach a certain concentration of produced

vitamin D,

> > it basically stops producing. The more spread out, the greater

the

> > effect. It would make more sense to get more sun or supplement

more

> > until you are at optimal levels.

> >

>

> I see, that makes more sense. I'll try to spread the exposure

out a

> little more.

It has to be spread over the body too. Are you in your bathing suit

when you're in the sun? You can only make so much vitamin D over a

given area of skin.

> Have you already gotten the enterolab testing or are you just

guessing

> > your are gluten intolerant and confirmed that by feeling better on

> > gluten-free?

> Guessing, sorta. More like trial and error.

Your story's pretty convincing. I'm going on even less than that,

myself. I do hope to get the test some day.

Chris

[Guest guest]

> Yeah, the only problem is I've gone CF - can I get Activator X from

> something other than butter?

Price found activator X in cod liver oil (to a lesser extent) and I

think also in organ meats. Don't remember exactly. However, no one

really knows what it is, and it's still possible it's vitamin D, so

there's really no way to tell. The test that Price used for it was

chemically very non-specific, and was used for vitamin D at the

time. His primary basis for differentiating it from vitamin D was

that the effects of vitamin D2 were not the same, which is pretty

unconvincing because we know that D2 and D3 are not equivalent now.

He also found it more correlated with the rate at which the grass was

growing than with the sunlight. Grass --> vitamin A; sunlight -->

vitamin D. So it's possible that " Activator X " is really a

combination of vitamins A and D. I know Royal Lee did some research

and thought it was something else, but I haven't seen that research

yet.

> How could your vitamin D be still low? Enzyme deficiency??

> I don't know - Chris' idea was a good one about sun being more

frequency and

> not duration. I wouldn't be surprised if I have enzyme issues to a

degree -

> when I first started NT I wasn't digesting properly. Where can you

get

> tested for enzymes?

Your doctor could probably do the tests. I suppose what you would

test for is the 24-hydroxylase if you are low in the 25 (OH) D. I

would just assume that your vitamin D intake (sun and food combined)

isn't high enough though.

Chris

[Guest guest]

--- In , " haecklers " <haecklers@...>

wrote:

> In " Soil, Grass, and Cancer " by Andre Voisin, he said one year it

> was unusually cloudy in Switzerland and alot of the people had signs

> of deficiency from the missing vitamins in the milk, but I forget if

> it was low in vitamin A or D. Point is, quality of sunlight seems

> to make a difference as well.

The sunlight is directly responsible for vitamin D production, but is

probably to some degree indirectly responsible for carotene synthesis

in the grass, which is in turn responsible for vitamin A in the milk.

Chris

[Guest guest]

It has to be spread over the body too. Are you in your bathing suit

> when you're in the sun? You can only make so much vitamin D over a

> given area of skin.

>

I'm usually in a tank or tube top. Still wearing jeans though - so I'll

make an attempt to get more on my legs this week and see if that helps.

> Your story's pretty convincing. I'm going on even less than that,

> myself. I do hope to get the test some day.

>

At this point, I think I'm of the opinion that pretty much everyone could

benefit from going GF - even if it is only to save up on enzymes. Gluten is

a very demanding food on the digestive system, Celiac, Gluten Intolerant or

not.

Then of course there's the perks - I feel like I'm eating at a gourmet

restaurant every night since I have things like sliced duck (with fat)

lightly sauteed in garlic and coconut oil (so the fat is still soft and

easily chewable), over mixed salad greens, topped with green beans sauteed

in the leftover oil. It doesn't sound like much but even my SO, who is

still on a semi-SAD, agrees that it is very gourmet! Recently, I've been

replacing his butter with duck lard and he keeps commenting on how much

better the food tastes. He misses his pasta, but will eat the rice

pasta occasionally. That's a good thing though, his diet used to be far too

heavy on pasta and now we barely eat it at all. The only thing I haven't

managed to replace for him is pizza, so we're working on finding an italian

place that has some GF dishes for a weekend treat.

-Lana

[Guest guest]

> Price found activator X in cod liver oil (to a lesser extent) and I

> think also in organ meats. Don't remember exactly.

It's in organ meats. I can't find it on the WAPF website, but it

should be clear that it is not neccessary to consume dairy products to

follow a WAP-inspired diet. Dairy is merely the most convenient way

in this country.

B.

[Guest guest]

On 5/25/06, Lana Gibbons <lana.m.gibbons@...> wrote:

> I'm usually in a tank or tube top. Still wearing jeans though - so I'll

> make an attempt to get more on my legs this week and see if that helps.

I haven't tested my vitamin D in years, but what I've been doing is

going out in the afternoon in my bathing suit, barefoot, and doing my

kettlebell workout. After, I do pushups on my lawn, then I put some

socks and sneakers on and do pullups on a tree. I don't spend too

long out -- maybe 20 minutes. But you maximize your vitamin D

production before you start getting pink, so I probably get quite a

bit.

Part of my reasoning is that I want to build up a tolerance everywhere

I'll be exposed in the summer. So I've been doing this if its even

moderately sunny and a tolerable temperature for the spring. I don't

want to go out for the first time in the summer and get burned.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

On 5/25/06, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

>

>

> > Price found activator X in cod liver oil (to a lesser extent) and I

> > think also in organ meats. Don't remember exactly.

>

> It's in organ meats. I can't find it on the WAPF website, but it

> should be clear that it is not neccessary to consume dairy products to

> follow a WAP-inspired diet. Dairy is merely the most convenient way

> in this country.

Dave Wetzel found it in a sample of seal blubber. He found it in a

non-food-grade fish oil, too. He found it in the high-vitamin CLO and

not in the others, IIRC, and only a fraction of the amount in the

butter oil.

But again, the test is chemically very non-specific. Going by the

test, a variety of inedible things like petroleum have " X Factor " in

them.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of downwardog7

>

>

>

>

>> Price found activator X in cod liver oil (to a lesser extent) and I

>> think also in organ meats. Don't remember exactly.

>

>It's in organ meats. I can't find it on the WAPF website, but it

>should be clear that it is not neccessary to consume dairy products to

>follow a WAP-inspired diet. Dairy is merely the most convenient way

>in this country.

> B.

IIRC, he wrote that it's most abundant in the butter oil, organ meats and

seafood - I think shellfish especially.

Suze Fisher

Web Design and Development

http://www.allurecreative.com

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

[Guest guest]

.... we're working on finding an italian

> place that has some GF dishes for a weekend treat.

Lana,

There's a place near me, that, in the name of low-carbing, will serve

any of their many sauce and meat selections over steamed or sauteed

vegetables instead of pasta. Maybe ask for something like that?

That's at a pasta-focused resto, of course. Any finer Italian joint

will have ample meat and fish selections.

B.

[Guest guest]

> IIRC, he wrote that it's most abundant in the butter oil, organ

meats and

> seafood - I think shellfish especially.

Suze,

was it not fish eggs? Oddly, searching " x-factor " or " activator x " on

the WAPF website brings up...zilch-o.

B.

[Guest guest]

On 5/25/06, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

> was it not fish eggs? Oddly, searching " x-factor " or " activator x " on

> the WAPF website brings up...zilch-o.

That's the price of not using Google. I don't understand Jill's

decision. The search function on the WAPF site utterly sucks.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

On 5/25/06, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

> > IIRC, he wrote that it's most abundant in the butter oil, organ

> meats and

> > seafood - I think shellfish especially.

>

> Suze,

> was it not fish eggs? Oddly, searching " x-factor " or " activator x " on

> the WAPF website brings up...zilch-o.

Turpentine and mineral oil are also great sources of activator x.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

On 5/25/06, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> That's the price of not using Google. I don't understand Jill's

> decision. The search function on the WAPF site utterly sucks.

Come to think of it, now that I mention it I feel like an ass because

I don't think I've ever told Jill or Sally about the problems with the

search function. In any case, I've searched for keywords in *the

titles of the articles I'm looking for* that have turned up zero.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of downwardog7

>

>

>

>

>> IIRC, he wrote that it's most abundant in the butter oil, organ

>meats and

>> seafood - I think shellfish especially.

>

>Suze,

>was it not fish eggs? Oddly, searching " x-factor " or " activator x " on

>the WAPF website brings up...zilch-o.

> B.

I think that, too. But I'm quite sure he included shellfish in the list of

best sources of activator x.

Suze Fisher

Web Design and Development

http://www.allurecreative.com

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------