Re: Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

[Guest guest]

Just wondering who says the a1c is supposed to be 5.0 or so? My doc never said

this, just that it should be 6.0 or so.

Dave

Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

> I was just wondering if anyone else on this list has experienced this

before - a blood pressure med was working great giving me good BP control

through the whole day, and now it's not doing that anymore. I had been on

Plendil 5 mg and it was keeping my pressure right around the 120/80 mark in

the morning and even at night. But it seems the last couple of months, for

no trackable reason, that it's not cutting the mustard and I've been getting

readings around 159/100. So my doc switched me to Lisonopril 10 mg, as it

would be better on the kidneys, in hopes this would control the pressure

better. By itself, I was getting readings around 160/90 or 150/110.

Obviously that's NOT good. My nephrologist put me BACK on the Plendil and

said to keep taking the Lisinopril. Then I had a BP check yesterday at my

regular doc's office and it was still 140/90 so he said to double up on the

Lisinopril and continue taking the Plendil, do a diary on the BPs during the

day over a week and then see him next week for follow-up.

>

> Now I know that the body changes over time and I guess it goes without

saying that what once worked doesn't always. And I also know I have to

contend with the proteinuria problem I mentioned a couple of months back,

although have not been able to afford another lab test to check it again

(thank you very much Medicare, you're so wonderful.)

>

> My obvious objective is to keep the BP lower and stave off any organ

damage, so I take this very seriously, and I am finally starting to make

some weight-loss progress without any " diets " , just eating less of what I

usually eat. So I'm making some progress, BS's are good, just not BP.

>

> Although none of us on here are doctors, has anyone else had a similar

experience and if so what worked for you or do you have any comments that

might point me to something that DOES work?

>

> Thanks for your thoughts and input.

>

> Just sign me " frazzled " .....

>

> Bill Powers

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just wondering who says the a1c is supposed to be 5.0 or so? My doc never said

this, just that it should be 6.0 or so.

Dave

Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

> I was just wondering if anyone else on this list has experienced this

before - a blood pressure med was working great giving me good BP control

through the whole day, and now it's not doing that anymore. I had been on

Plendil 5 mg and it was keeping my pressure right around the 120/80 mark in

the morning and even at night. But it seems the last couple of months, for

no trackable reason, that it's not cutting the mustard and I've been getting

readings around 159/100. So my doc switched me to Lisonopril 10 mg, as it

would be better on the kidneys, in hopes this would control the pressure

better. By itself, I was getting readings around 160/90 or 150/110.

Obviously that's NOT good. My nephrologist put me BACK on the Plendil and

said to keep taking the Lisinopril. Then I had a BP check yesterday at my

regular doc's office and it was still 140/90 so he said to double up on the

Lisinopril and continue taking the Plendil, do a diary on the BPs during the

day over a week and then see him next week for follow-up.

>

> Now I know that the body changes over time and I guess it goes without

saying that what once worked doesn't always. And I also know I have to

contend with the proteinuria problem I mentioned a couple of months back,

although have not been able to afford another lab test to check it again

(thank you very much Medicare, you're so wonderful.)

>

> My obvious objective is to keep the BP lower and stave off any organ

damage, so I take this very seriously, and I am finally starting to make

some weight-loss progress without any " diets " , just eating less of what I

usually eat. So I'm making some progress, BS's are good, just not BP.

>

> Although none of us on here are doctors, has anyone else had a similar

experience and if so what worked for you or do you have any comments that

might point me to something that DOES work?

>

> Thanks for your thoughts and input.

>

> Just sign me " frazzled " .....

>

> Bill Powers

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dave,

In the " old school " of medical thinking, a hemoglobin A 1 c of 6.0, or even 7.0,

was actually considered " acceptable " . Of course with more modern research we now

know that's passe. The lower the level is, the better off we are, and it's

better to stick to guidelines that will increase our health, not just allow us

to squeak by. Plus, the old guidelines allowed a higher blood sugar than is now

acceptable, ditto for dealing with high blood pressure, where modern guidelines

have lower numbers now. Bottom line: Stricter control means better health, and

I'm all for it.

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

Dave,

In the " old school " of medical thinking, a hemoglobin A 1 c of 6.0, or even 7.0,

was actually considered " acceptable " . Of course with more modern research we now

know that's passe. The lower the level is, the better off we are, and it's

better to stick to guidelines that will increase our health, not just allow us

to squeak by. Plus, the old guidelines allowed a higher blood sugar than is now

acceptable, ditto for dealing with high blood pressure, where modern guidelines

have lower numbers now. Bottom line: Stricter control means better health, and

I'm all for it.

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

Dave,

In the " old school " of medical thinking, a hemoglobin A 1 c of 6.0, or even 7.0,

was actually considered " acceptable " . Of course with more modern research we now

know that's passe. The lower the level is, the better off we are, and it's

better to stick to guidelines that will increase our health, not just allow us

to squeak by. Plus, the old guidelines allowed a higher blood sugar than is now

acceptable, ditto for dealing with high blood pressure, where modern guidelines

have lower numbers now. Bottom line: Stricter control means better health, and

I'm all for it.

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

Dave,

The new guidelines are set up by the American Diabetic Association, and it's my

understanding that they're also endorsed by the American Medical Association.

The doc I had back in Baltimore was a progressive doc who used the new

guidelines to diagnose me as diabetic and his diagnosis was right on the money,

since after getting on treatment, my health has been much better thank you.

I talk to a lot of people about diabetes (I'm a big crusader for getting people

to get checked up and to stick to their treatments) and one of the things I run

into quite often is this very issue, where someone will say " what do you mean it

(hemoglobain A 1 c) should be 5.5 or lower? My doc says I'm fine at 6.2,6.5,

7.0 " (you pick.) What I sense is that person wants to somehow feel that they're

doing OK just to get the readign down that far and somehow feels like they're

being pushed too much to adhere to new lower guidelines and wants to fend that

downward push off. Hey, if I fought those guidelines I wouldn't be considered

diabetic but then I wouldn't be treated for it, either, and my symptoms would

just get worse and then something serious would happen down the road that I

could have prevented earlier on. Do you get where I'm going with this?

These new ADA/AMA guidelines aren't designed to frustrate us, they're designed

to get more people on board to be treated for a growing problem that needs

better and tighter definition.

I encourage you, if you are still hovering in the 6's PLEASE do what you can to

get it down to 5.4 or below, because believe me, you WILL feel better and you'll

add years of good health to your life.

I hope this helps you and gets you going toward a healthier you!

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

Dave,

The new guidelines are set up by the American Diabetic Association, and it's my

understanding that they're also endorsed by the American Medical Association.

The doc I had back in Baltimore was a progressive doc who used the new

guidelines to diagnose me as diabetic and his diagnosis was right on the money,

since after getting on treatment, my health has been much better thank you.

I talk to a lot of people about diabetes (I'm a big crusader for getting people

to get checked up and to stick to their treatments) and one of the things I run

into quite often is this very issue, where someone will say " what do you mean it

(hemoglobain A 1 c) should be 5.5 or lower? My doc says I'm fine at 6.2,6.5,

7.0 " (you pick.) What I sense is that person wants to somehow feel that they're

doing OK just to get the readign down that far and somehow feels like they're

being pushed too much to adhere to new lower guidelines and wants to fend that

downward push off. Hey, if I fought those guidelines I wouldn't be considered

diabetic but then I wouldn't be treated for it, either, and my symptoms would

just get worse and then something serious would happen down the road that I

could have prevented earlier on. Do you get where I'm going with this?

These new ADA/AMA guidelines aren't designed to frustrate us, they're designed

to get more people on board to be treated for a growing problem that needs

better and tighter definition.

I encourage you, if you are still hovering in the 6's PLEASE do what you can to

get it down to 5.4 or below, because believe me, you WILL feel better and you'll

add years of good health to your life.

I hope this helps you and gets you going toward a healthier you!

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

I hear the logic, but what medical authority says a normal a1c should be between

4.5 and 5? I've never heard this before. Thanks.

Dave

Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

> I was just wondering if anyone else on this list has experienced this

before - a blood pressure med was working great giving me good BP control

through the whole day, and now it's not doing that anymore. I had been on

Plendil 5 mg and it was keeping my pressure right around the 120/80 mark

in

the morning and even at night. But it seems the last couple of months, for

no trackable reason, that it's not cutting the mustard and I've been

getting

readings around 159/100. So my doc switched me to Lisonopril 10 mg, as it

would be better on the kidneys, in hopes this would control the pressure

better. By itself, I was getting readings around 160/90 or 150/110.

Obviously that's NOT good. My nephrologist put me BACK on the Plendil and

said to keep taking the Lisinopril. Then I had a BP check yesterday at my

regular doc's office and it was still 140/90 so he said to double up on

the

Lisinopril and continue taking the Plendil, do a diary on the BPs during

the

day over a week and then see him next week for follow-up.

>

> Now I know that the body changes over time and I guess it goes without

saying that what once worked doesn't always. And I also know I have to

contend with the proteinuria problem I mentioned a couple of months back,

although have not been able to afford another lab test to check it again

(thank you very much Medicare, you're so wonderful.)

>

> My obvious objective is to keep the BP lower and stave off any organ

damage, so I take this very seriously, and I am finally starting to make

some weight-loss progress without any " diets " , just eating less of what I

usually eat. So I'm making some progress, BS's are good, just not BP.

>

> Although none of us on here are doctors, has anyone else had a similar

experience and if so what worked for you or do you have any comments that

might point me to something that DOES work?

>

> Thanks for your thoughts and input.

>

> Just sign me " frazzled " .....

>

> Bill Powers

>

>

[Guest guest]

I hear the logic, but what medical authority says a normal a1c should be between

4.5 and 5? I've never heard this before. Thanks.

Dave

Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

> I was just wondering if anyone else on this list has experienced this

before - a blood pressure med was working great giving me good BP control

through the whole day, and now it's not doing that anymore. I had been on

Plendil 5 mg and it was keeping my pressure right around the 120/80 mark

in

the morning and even at night. But it seems the last couple of months, for

no trackable reason, that it's not cutting the mustard and I've been

getting

readings around 159/100. So my doc switched me to Lisonopril 10 mg, as it

would be better on the kidneys, in hopes this would control the pressure

better. By itself, I was getting readings around 160/90 or 150/110.

Obviously that's NOT good. My nephrologist put me BACK on the Plendil and

said to keep taking the Lisinopril. Then I had a BP check yesterday at my

regular doc's office and it was still 140/90 so he said to double up on

the

Lisinopril and continue taking the Plendil, do a diary on the BPs during

the

day over a week and then see him next week for follow-up.

>

> Now I know that the body changes over time and I guess it goes without

saying that what once worked doesn't always. And I also know I have to

contend with the proteinuria problem I mentioned a couple of months back,

although have not been able to afford another lab test to check it again

(thank you very much Medicare, you're so wonderful.)

>

> My obvious objective is to keep the BP lower and stave off any organ

damage, so I take this very seriously, and I am finally starting to make

some weight-loss progress without any " diets " , just eating less of what I

usually eat. So I'm making some progress, BS's are good, just not BP.

>

> Although none of us on here are doctors, has anyone else had a similar

experience and if so what worked for you or do you have any comments that

might point me to something that DOES work?

>

> Thanks for your thoughts and input.

>

> Just sign me " frazzled " .....

>

> Bill Powers

>

>

[Guest guest]

Since my doc was ok with my 6.2, I was interested in the official medical

stance. After 38 years, I'm still working on it. Thanks for the info.

Dave

Re: Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

Dave,

The new guidelines are set up by the American Diabetic Association, and it's

my understanding that they're also endorsed by the American Medical Association.

The doc I had back in Baltimore was a progressive doc who used the new

guidelines to diagnose me as diabetic and his diagnosis was right on the money,

since after getting on treatment, my health has been much better thank you.

I talk to a lot of people about diabetes (I'm a big crusader for getting

people to get checked up and to stick to their treatments) and one of the things

I run into quite often is this very issue, where someone will say " what do you

mean it (hemoglobain A 1 c) should be 5.5 or lower? My doc says I'm fine at

6.2,6.5, 7.0 " (you pick.) What I sense is that person wants to somehow feel that

they're doing OK just to get the readign down that far and somehow feels like

they're being pushed too much to adhere to new lower guidelines and wants to

fend that downward push off. Hey, if I fought those guidelines I wouldn't be

considered diabetic but then I wouldn't be treated for it, either, and my

symptoms would just get worse and then something serious would happen down the

road that I could have prevented earlier on. Do you get where I'm going with

this?

These new ADA/AMA guidelines aren't designed to frustrate us, they're designed

to get more people on board to be treated for a growing problem that needs

better and tighter definition.

I encourage you, if you are still hovering in the 6's PLEASE do what you can

to get it down to 5.4 or below, because believe me, you WILL feel better and

you'll add years of good health to your life.

I hope this helps you and gets you going toward a healthier you!

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

Since my doc was ok with my 6.2, I was interested in the official medical

stance. After 38 years, I'm still working on it. Thanks for the info.

Dave

Re: Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

Dave,

The new guidelines are set up by the American Diabetic Association, and it's

my understanding that they're also endorsed by the American Medical Association.

The doc I had back in Baltimore was a progressive doc who used the new

guidelines to diagnose me as diabetic and his diagnosis was right on the money,

since after getting on treatment, my health has been much better thank you.

I talk to a lot of people about diabetes (I'm a big crusader for getting

people to get checked up and to stick to their treatments) and one of the things

I run into quite often is this very issue, where someone will say " what do you

mean it (hemoglobain A 1 c) should be 5.5 or lower? My doc says I'm fine at

6.2,6.5, 7.0 " (you pick.) What I sense is that person wants to somehow feel that

they're doing OK just to get the readign down that far and somehow feels like

they're being pushed too much to adhere to new lower guidelines and wants to

fend that downward push off. Hey, if I fought those guidelines I wouldn't be

considered diabetic but then I wouldn't be treated for it, either, and my

symptoms would just get worse and then something serious would happen down the

road that I could have prevented earlier on. Do you get where I'm going with

this?

These new ADA/AMA guidelines aren't designed to frustrate us, they're designed

to get more people on board to be treated for a growing problem that needs

better and tighter definition.

I encourage you, if you are still hovering in the 6's PLEASE do what you can

to get it down to 5.4 or below, because believe me, you WILL feel better and

you'll add years of good health to your life.

I hope this helps you and gets you going toward a healthier you!

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

most of us on list shoot for 5.0 since that is what a normal person runs.

Any doc that says 6.0 is ok is to passive of a doc IMO and you need a more

agressive doc. Nothign against yoru doc, but 5.0 is what any aggressive doc

wants their patients to run. An a1c of 6.0 would put yoru average sugar, if

recalling correctly, at around 140 which is high considering an a1c of 5.0

to 5.5 puts you at about 90 to 100.

If an a1c is hihger than 5.5, that is sugar in yoru blood eating away at

your eyes, kidneys, legs, heart, and so on. You won't die over night, but

will get diabetic complications eventually. Secondly, you don't know when it

will happen since everyones genetics are different.

I.E you could have a stroke in 3 years, 5 years, 15 years, etc. so the best

way to not play that game is get your a1c as close to 5 as possible. How to

do that? Simple, if you check your sugar 2 hours past eating a meal and it

is 120 or less, that guarantees that your a1c will be near 5.0.

Regards,

Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

>

>

> > I was just wondering if anyone else on this list has experienced this

> before - a blood pressure med was working great giving me good BP

control

> through the whole day, and now it's not doing that anymore. I had been

on

> Plendil 5 mg and it was keeping my pressure right around the 120/80 mark

in

> the morning and even at night. But it seems the last couple of months,

for

> no trackable reason, that it's not cutting the mustard and I've been

getting

> readings around 159/100. So my doc switched me to Lisonopril 10 mg, as

it

> would be better on the kidneys, in hopes this would control the pressure

> better. By itself, I was getting readings around 160/90 or 150/110.

> Obviously that's NOT good. My nephrologist put me BACK on the Plendil

and

> said to keep taking the Lisinopril. Then I had a BP check yesterday at

my

> regular doc's office and it was still 140/90 so he said to double up on

the

> Lisinopril and continue taking the Plendil, do a diary on the BPs during

the

> day over a week and then see him next week for follow-up.

> >

> > Now I know that the body changes over time and I guess it goes without

> saying that what once worked doesn't always. And I also know I have to

> contend with the proteinuria problem I mentioned a couple of months

back,

> although have not been able to afford another lab test to check it again

> (thank you very much Medicare, you're so wonderful.)

> >

> > My obvious objective is to keep the BP lower and stave off any organ

> damage, so I take this very seriously, and I am finally starting to make

> some weight-loss progress without any " diets " , just eating less of what

I

> usually eat. So I'm making some progress, BS's are good, just not BP.

> >

> > Although none of us on here are doctors, has anyone else had a similar

> experience and if so what worked for you or do you have any comments

that

> might point me to something that DOES work?

> >

> > Thanks for your thoughts and input.

> >

> > Just sign me " frazzled " .....

> >

> > Bill Powers

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

most of us on list shoot for 5.0 since that is what a normal person runs.

Any doc that says 6.0 is ok is to passive of a doc IMO and you need a more

agressive doc. Nothign against yoru doc, but 5.0 is what any aggressive doc

wants their patients to run. An a1c of 6.0 would put yoru average sugar, if

recalling correctly, at around 140 which is high considering an a1c of 5.0

to 5.5 puts you at about 90 to 100.

If an a1c is hihger than 5.5, that is sugar in yoru blood eating away at

your eyes, kidneys, legs, heart, and so on. You won't die over night, but

will get diabetic complications eventually. Secondly, you don't know when it

will happen since everyones genetics are different.

I.E you could have a stroke in 3 years, 5 years, 15 years, etc. so the best

way to not play that game is get your a1c as close to 5 as possible. How to

do that? Simple, if you check your sugar 2 hours past eating a meal and it

is 120 or less, that guarantees that your a1c will be near 5.0.

Regards,

Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

>

>

> > I was just wondering if anyone else on this list has experienced this

> before - a blood pressure med was working great giving me good BP

control

> through the whole day, and now it's not doing that anymore. I had been

on

> Plendil 5 mg and it was keeping my pressure right around the 120/80 mark

in

> the morning and even at night. But it seems the last couple of months,

for

> no trackable reason, that it's not cutting the mustard and I've been

getting

> readings around 159/100. So my doc switched me to Lisonopril 10 mg, as

it

> would be better on the kidneys, in hopes this would control the pressure

> better. By itself, I was getting readings around 160/90 or 150/110.

> Obviously that's NOT good. My nephrologist put me BACK on the Plendil

and

> said to keep taking the Lisinopril. Then I had a BP check yesterday at

my

> regular doc's office and it was still 140/90 so he said to double up on

the

> Lisinopril and continue taking the Plendil, do a diary on the BPs during

the

> day over a week and then see him next week for follow-up.

> >

> > Now I know that the body changes over time and I guess it goes without

> saying that what once worked doesn't always. And I also know I have to

> contend with the proteinuria problem I mentioned a couple of months

back,

> although have not been able to afford another lab test to check it again

> (thank you very much Medicare, you're so wonderful.)

> >

> > My obvious objective is to keep the BP lower and stave off any organ

> damage, so I take this very seriously, and I am finally starting to make

> some weight-loss progress without any " diets " , just eating less of what

I

> usually eat. So I'm making some progress, BS's are good, just not BP.

> >

> > Although none of us on here are doctors, has anyone else had a similar

> experience and if so what worked for you or do you have any comments

that

> might point me to something that DOES work?

> >

> > Thanks for your thoughts and input.

> >

> > Just sign me " frazzled " .....

> >

> > Bill Powers

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

most of us on list shoot for 5.0 since that is what a normal person runs.

Any doc that says 6.0 is ok is to passive of a doc IMO and you need a more

agressive doc. Nothign against yoru doc, but 5.0 is what any aggressive doc

wants their patients to run. An a1c of 6.0 would put yoru average sugar, if

recalling correctly, at around 140 which is high considering an a1c of 5.0

to 5.5 puts you at about 90 to 100.

If an a1c is hihger than 5.5, that is sugar in yoru blood eating away at

your eyes, kidneys, legs, heart, and so on. You won't die over night, but

will get diabetic complications eventually. Secondly, you don't know when it

will happen since everyones genetics are different.

I.E you could have a stroke in 3 years, 5 years, 15 years, etc. so the best

way to not play that game is get your a1c as close to 5 as possible. How to

do that? Simple, if you check your sugar 2 hours past eating a meal and it

is 120 or less, that guarantees that your a1c will be near 5.0.

Regards,

Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

>

>

> > I was just wondering if anyone else on this list has experienced this

> before - a blood pressure med was working great giving me good BP

control

> through the whole day, and now it's not doing that anymore. I had been

on

> Plendil 5 mg and it was keeping my pressure right around the 120/80 mark

in

> the morning and even at night. But it seems the last couple of months,

for

> no trackable reason, that it's not cutting the mustard and I've been

getting

> readings around 159/100. So my doc switched me to Lisonopril 10 mg, as

it

> would be better on the kidneys, in hopes this would control the pressure

> better. By itself, I was getting readings around 160/90 or 150/110.

> Obviously that's NOT good. My nephrologist put me BACK on the Plendil

and

> said to keep taking the Lisinopril. Then I had a BP check yesterday at

my

> regular doc's office and it was still 140/90 so he said to double up on

the

> Lisinopril and continue taking the Plendil, do a diary on the BPs during

the

> day over a week and then see him next week for follow-up.

> >

> > Now I know that the body changes over time and I guess it goes without

> saying that what once worked doesn't always. And I also know I have to

> contend with the proteinuria problem I mentioned a couple of months

back,

> although have not been able to afford another lab test to check it again

> (thank you very much Medicare, you're so wonderful.)

> >

> > My obvious objective is to keep the BP lower and stave off any organ

> damage, so I take this very seriously, and I am finally starting to make

> some weight-loss progress without any " diets " , just eating less of what

I

> usually eat. So I'm making some progress, BS's are good, just not BP.

> >

> > Although none of us on here are doctors, has anyone else had a similar

> experience and if so what worked for you or do you have any comments

that

> might point me to something that DOES work?

> >

> > Thanks for your thoughts and input.

> >

> > Just sign me " frazzled " .....

> >

> > Bill Powers

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

and the only reason docs are happy with that is most people have absolutely

no disiplin, nor want to exert the ability to do a 2 hour post meal, check

their sugars, eat what they want, and so on. So, as my doc tells me, we just

have to settle for second best hoping their life is sustained some.

Regards,

Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

>

>

> > I was just wondering if anyone else on this list has experienced this

> before - a blood pressure med was working great giving me good BP

control

> through the whole day, and now it's not doing that anymore. I had been

on

> Plendil 5 mg and it was keeping my pressure right around the 120/80 mark

> in

> the morning and even at night. But it seems the last couple of months,

for

> no trackable reason, that it's not cutting the mustard and I've been

> getting

> readings around 159/100. So my doc switched me to Lisonopril 10 mg, as

it

> would be better on the kidneys, in hopes this would control the pressure

> better. By itself, I was getting readings around 160/90 or 150/110.

> Obviously that's NOT good. My nephrologist put me BACK on the Plendil

and

> said to keep taking the Lisinopril. Then I had a BP check yesterday at

my

> regular doc's office and it was still 140/90 so he said to double up on

> the

> Lisinopril and continue taking the Plendil, do a diary on the BPs during

> the

> day over a week and then see him next week for follow-up.

> >

> > Now I know that the body changes over time and I guess it goes without

> saying that what once worked doesn't always. And I also know I have to

> contend with the proteinuria problem I mentioned a couple of months

back,

> although have not been able to afford another lab test to check it again

> (thank you very much Medicare, you're so wonderful.)

> >

> > My obvious objective is to keep the BP lower and stave off any organ

> damage, so I take this very seriously, and I am finally starting to make

> some weight-loss progress without any " diets " , just eating less of what

I

> usually eat. So I'm making some progress, BS's are good, just not BP.

> >

> > Although none of us on here are doctors, has anyone else had a similar

> experience and if so what worked for you or do you have any comments

that

> might point me to something that DOES work?

> >

> > Thanks for your thoughts and input.

> >

> > Just sign me " frazzled " .....

> >

> > Bill Powers

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

and the only reason docs are happy with that is most people have absolutely

no disiplin, nor want to exert the ability to do a 2 hour post meal, check

their sugars, eat what they want, and so on. So, as my doc tells me, we just

have to settle for second best hoping their life is sustained some.

Regards,

Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

>

>

> > I was just wondering if anyone else on this list has experienced this

> before - a blood pressure med was working great giving me good BP

control

> through the whole day, and now it's not doing that anymore. I had been

on

> Plendil 5 mg and it was keeping my pressure right around the 120/80 mark

> in

> the morning and even at night. But it seems the last couple of months,

for

> no trackable reason, that it's not cutting the mustard and I've been

> getting

> readings around 159/100. So my doc switched me to Lisonopril 10 mg, as

it

> would be better on the kidneys, in hopes this would control the pressure

> better. By itself, I was getting readings around 160/90 or 150/110.

> Obviously that's NOT good. My nephrologist put me BACK on the Plendil

and

> said to keep taking the Lisinopril. Then I had a BP check yesterday at

my

> regular doc's office and it was still 140/90 so he said to double up on

> the

> Lisinopril and continue taking the Plendil, do a diary on the BPs during

> the

> day over a week and then see him next week for follow-up.

> >

> > Now I know that the body changes over time and I guess it goes without

> saying that what once worked doesn't always. And I also know I have to

> contend with the proteinuria problem I mentioned a couple of months

back,

> although have not been able to afford another lab test to check it again

> (thank you very much Medicare, you're so wonderful.)

> >

> > My obvious objective is to keep the BP lower and stave off any organ

> damage, so I take this very seriously, and I am finally starting to make

> some weight-loss progress without any " diets " , just eating less of what

I

> usually eat. So I'm making some progress, BS's are good, just not BP.

> >

> > Although none of us on here are doctors, has anyone else had a similar

> experience and if so what worked for you or do you have any comments

that

> might point me to something that DOES work?

> >

> > Thanks for your thoughts and input.

> >

> > Just sign me " frazzled " .....

> >

> > Bill Powers

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

and the only reason docs are happy with that is most people have absolutely

no disiplin, nor want to exert the ability to do a 2 hour post meal, check

their sugars, eat what they want, and so on. So, as my doc tells me, we just

have to settle for second best hoping their life is sustained some.

Regards,

Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

>

>

> > I was just wondering if anyone else on this list has experienced this

> before - a blood pressure med was working great giving me good BP

control

> through the whole day, and now it's not doing that anymore. I had been

on

> Plendil 5 mg and it was keeping my pressure right around the 120/80 mark

> in

> the morning and even at night. But it seems the last couple of months,

for

> no trackable reason, that it's not cutting the mustard and I've been

> getting

> readings around 159/100. So my doc switched me to Lisonopril 10 mg, as

it

> would be better on the kidneys, in hopes this would control the pressure

> better. By itself, I was getting readings around 160/90 or 150/110.

> Obviously that's NOT good. My nephrologist put me BACK on the Plendil

and

> said to keep taking the Lisinopril. Then I had a BP check yesterday at

my

> regular doc's office and it was still 140/90 so he said to double up on

> the

> Lisinopril and continue taking the Plendil, do a diary on the BPs during

> the

> day over a week and then see him next week for follow-up.

> >

> > Now I know that the body changes over time and I guess it goes without

> saying that what once worked doesn't always. And I also know I have to

> contend with the proteinuria problem I mentioned a couple of months

back,

> although have not been able to afford another lab test to check it again

> (thank you very much Medicare, you're so wonderful.)

> >

> > My obvious objective is to keep the BP lower and stave off any organ

> damage, so I take this very seriously, and I am finally starting to make

> some weight-loss progress without any " diets " , just eating less of what

I

> usually eat. So I'm making some progress, BS's are good, just not BP.

> >

> > Although none of us on here are doctors, has anyone else had a similar

> experience and if so what worked for you or do you have any comments

that

> might point me to something that DOES work?

> >

> > Thanks for your thoughts and input.

> >

> > Just sign me " frazzled " .....

> >

> > Bill Powers

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

any endo wil tell you that, just ask. The reason they say 6.0 is ok is

because that is the best most people will put forth the effort to do so they

have to settle for second best and give someone that number to shoot for. If

any doc/endo could have their way, they'd have patients at 5.0 since it

totally eliminates any diabetic complications. I.E if no sugar is in the

blood to eat away daily at your organs, the a1c of 5.0, then there is no way

to have diabetic complications. Only thing that causes diabetic

complications is high sugar in your blood eating away at your organs.

Regards,

Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

>

>

> > I was just wondering if anyone else on this list has experienced

this

> before - a blood pressure med was working great giving me good BP

control

> through the whole day, and now it's not doing that anymore. I had been

on

> Plendil 5 mg and it was keeping my pressure right around the 120/80

mark

> in

> the morning and even at night. But it seems the last couple of months,

for

> no trackable reason, that it's not cutting the mustard and I've been

> getting

> readings around 159/100. So my doc switched me to Lisonopril 10 mg, as

it

> would be better on the kidneys, in hopes this would control the

pressure

> better. By itself, I was getting readings around 160/90 or 150/110.

> Obviously that's NOT good. My nephrologist put me BACK on the Plendil

and

> said to keep taking the Lisinopril. Then I had a BP check yesterday at

my

> regular doc's office and it was still 140/90 so he said to double up

on

> the

> Lisinopril and continue taking the Plendil, do a diary on the BPs

during

> the

> day over a week and then see him next week for follow-up.

> >

> > Now I know that the body changes over time and I guess it goes

without

> saying that what once worked doesn't always. And I also know I have to

> contend with the proteinuria problem I mentioned a couple of months

back,

> although have not been able to afford another lab test to check it

again

> (thank you very much Medicare, you're so wonderful.)

> >

> > My obvious objective is to keep the BP lower and stave off any organ

> damage, so I take this very seriously, and I am finally starting to

make

> some weight-loss progress without any " diets " , just eating less of

what I

> usually eat. So I'm making some progress, BS's are good, just not BP.

> >

> > Although none of us on here are doctors, has anyone else had a

similar

> experience and if so what worked for you or do you have any comments

that

> might point me to something that DOES work?

> >

> > Thanks for your thoughts and input.

> >

> > Just sign me " frazzled " .....

> >

> > Bill Powers

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

any endo wil tell you that, just ask. The reason they say 6.0 is ok is

because that is the best most people will put forth the effort to do so they

have to settle for second best and give someone that number to shoot for. If

any doc/endo could have their way, they'd have patients at 5.0 since it

totally eliminates any diabetic complications. I.E if no sugar is in the

blood to eat away daily at your organs, the a1c of 5.0, then there is no way

to have diabetic complications. Only thing that causes diabetic

complications is high sugar in your blood eating away at your organs.

Regards,

Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

>

>

> > I was just wondering if anyone else on this list has experienced

this

> before - a blood pressure med was working great giving me good BP

control

> through the whole day, and now it's not doing that anymore. I had been

on

> Plendil 5 mg and it was keeping my pressure right around the 120/80

mark

> in

> the morning and even at night. But it seems the last couple of months,

for

> no trackable reason, that it's not cutting the mustard and I've been

> getting

> readings around 159/100. So my doc switched me to Lisonopril 10 mg, as

it

> would be better on the kidneys, in hopes this would control the

pressure

> better. By itself, I was getting readings around 160/90 or 150/110.

> Obviously that's NOT good. My nephrologist put me BACK on the Plendil

and

> said to keep taking the Lisinopril. Then I had a BP check yesterday at

my

> regular doc's office and it was still 140/90 so he said to double up

on

> the

> Lisinopril and continue taking the Plendil, do a diary on the BPs

during

> the

> day over a week and then see him next week for follow-up.

> >

> > Now I know that the body changes over time and I guess it goes

without

> saying that what once worked doesn't always. And I also know I have to

> contend with the proteinuria problem I mentioned a couple of months

back,

> although have not been able to afford another lab test to check it

again

> (thank you very much Medicare, you're so wonderful.)

> >

> > My obvious objective is to keep the BP lower and stave off any organ

> damage, so I take this very seriously, and I am finally starting to

make

> some weight-loss progress without any " diets " , just eating less of

what I

> usually eat. So I'm making some progress, BS's are good, just not BP.

> >

> > Although none of us on here are doctors, has anyone else had a

similar

> experience and if so what worked for you or do you have any comments

that

> might point me to something that DOES work?

> >

> > Thanks for your thoughts and input.

> >

> > Just sign me " frazzled " .....

> >

> > Bill Powers

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

any endo wil tell you that, just ask. The reason they say 6.0 is ok is

because that is the best most people will put forth the effort to do so they

have to settle for second best and give someone that number to shoot for. If

any doc/endo could have their way, they'd have patients at 5.0 since it

totally eliminates any diabetic complications. I.E if no sugar is in the

blood to eat away daily at your organs, the a1c of 5.0, then there is no way

to have diabetic complications. Only thing that causes diabetic

complications is high sugar in your blood eating away at your organs.

Regards,

Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

>

>

> > I was just wondering if anyone else on this list has experienced

this

> before - a blood pressure med was working great giving me good BP

control

> through the whole day, and now it's not doing that anymore. I had been

on

> Plendil 5 mg and it was keeping my pressure right around the 120/80

mark

> in

> the morning and even at night. But it seems the last couple of months,

for

> no trackable reason, that it's not cutting the mustard and I've been

> getting

> readings around 159/100. So my doc switched me to Lisonopril 10 mg, as

it

> would be better on the kidneys, in hopes this would control the

pressure

> better. By itself, I was getting readings around 160/90 or 150/110.

> Obviously that's NOT good. My nephrologist put me BACK on the Plendil

and

> said to keep taking the Lisinopril. Then I had a BP check yesterday at

my

> regular doc's office and it was still 140/90 so he said to double up

on

> the

> Lisinopril and continue taking the Plendil, do a diary on the BPs

during

> the

> day over a week and then see him next week for follow-up.

> >

> > Now I know that the body changes over time and I guess it goes

without

> saying that what once worked doesn't always. And I also know I have to

> contend with the proteinuria problem I mentioned a couple of months

back,

> although have not been able to afford another lab test to check it

again

> (thank you very much Medicare, you're so wonderful.)

> >

> > My obvious objective is to keep the BP lower and stave off any organ

> damage, so I take this very seriously, and I am finally starting to

make

> some weight-loss progress without any " diets " , just eating less of

what I

> usually eat. So I'm making some progress, BS's are good, just not BP.

> >

> > Although none of us on here are doctors, has anyone else had a

similar

> experience and if so what worked for you or do you have any comments

that

> might point me to something that DOES work?

> >

> > Thanks for your thoughts and input.

> >

> > Just sign me " frazzled " .....

> >

> > Bill Powers

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

yup, that downward push is why docs say 6.0 is ok since folks are not

disciplined enough to get it to 5.0 for the most part.

My doc says I am the only patient she has who runs and a1c of close to 5.0.

All others are 6.5 to 7.0 because they just lack diciplin to buckle down and

do the drill. BTW I lost my eye sight from running an a1c of 7.5 for 7

years.

Also, I'm not saying this to discourage or upset anyone on the list who is

running an a1c of 6.0 or higher, I'm just tossing this out trying to give an

understanding as to why docs say an a1c of 6.0 to 6.5 is ok.

Most docs don't teach carb counting, don't teach a 2 hour post meal test of

120 or less, and so on. They are using old outdated american diabetes

association forms of treatments from the 1970's. I find that most docs that

say an a1c of 6.0 or higher is ok are family mom/pop docs who haven't

recently graduated from medical school, nor update their knowledge base, and

just keep treating diabetes with old school forms of treatment.

Regards,

Re: Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

> Dave,

>

> The new guidelines are set up by the American Diabetic Association, and

it's my understanding that they're also endorsed by the American Medical

Association. The doc I had back in Baltimore was a progressive doc who used

the new guidelines to diagnose me as diabetic and his diagnosis was right on

the money, since after getting on treatment, my health has been much better

thank you.

>

> I talk to a lot of people about diabetes (I'm a big crusader for getting

people to get checked up and to stick to their treatments) and one of the

things I run into quite often is this very issue, where someone will say

" what do you mean it (hemoglobain A 1 c) should be 5.5 or lower? My doc says

I'm fine at 6.2,6.5, 7.0 " (you pick.) What I sense is that person wants to s

omehow feel that they're doing OK just to get the readign down that far and

somehow feels like they're being pushed too much to adhere to new lower

guidelines and wants to fend that downward push off. Hey, if I fought those

guidelines I wouldn't be considered diabetic but then I wouldn't be treated

for it, either, and my symptoms would just get worse and then something

serious would happen down the road that I could have prevented earlier on.

Do you get where I'm going with this?

>

> These new ADA/AMA guidelines aren't designed to frustrate us, they're

designed to get more people on board to be treated for a growing problem

that needs better and tighter definition.

>

> I encourage you, if you are still hovering in the 6's PLEASE do what you

can to get it down to 5.4 or below, because believe me, you WILL feel better

and you'll add years of good health to your life.

>

> I hope this helps you and gets you going toward a healthier you!

>

>

> Bill Powers

>

>

[Guest guest]

yup, that downward push is why docs say 6.0 is ok since folks are not

disciplined enough to get it to 5.0 for the most part.

My doc says I am the only patient she has who runs and a1c of close to 5.0.

All others are 6.5 to 7.0 because they just lack diciplin to buckle down and

do the drill. BTW I lost my eye sight from running an a1c of 7.5 for 7

years.

Also, I'm not saying this to discourage or upset anyone on the list who is

running an a1c of 6.0 or higher, I'm just tossing this out trying to give an

understanding as to why docs say an a1c of 6.0 to 6.5 is ok.

Most docs don't teach carb counting, don't teach a 2 hour post meal test of

120 or less, and so on. They are using old outdated american diabetes

association forms of treatments from the 1970's. I find that most docs that

say an a1c of 6.0 or higher is ok are family mom/pop docs who haven't

recently graduated from medical school, nor update their knowledge base, and

just keep treating diabetes with old school forms of treatment.

Regards,

Re: Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

> Dave,

>

> The new guidelines are set up by the American Diabetic Association, and

it's my understanding that they're also endorsed by the American Medical

Association. The doc I had back in Baltimore was a progressive doc who used

the new guidelines to diagnose me as diabetic and his diagnosis was right on

the money, since after getting on treatment, my health has been much better

thank you.

>

> I talk to a lot of people about diabetes (I'm a big crusader for getting

people to get checked up and to stick to their treatments) and one of the

things I run into quite often is this very issue, where someone will say

" what do you mean it (hemoglobain A 1 c) should be 5.5 or lower? My doc says

I'm fine at 6.2,6.5, 7.0 " (you pick.) What I sense is that person wants to s

omehow feel that they're doing OK just to get the readign down that far and

somehow feels like they're being pushed too much to adhere to new lower

guidelines and wants to fend that downward push off. Hey, if I fought those

guidelines I wouldn't be considered diabetic but then I wouldn't be treated

for it, either, and my symptoms would just get worse and then something

serious would happen down the road that I could have prevented earlier on.

Do you get where I'm going with this?

>

> These new ADA/AMA guidelines aren't designed to frustrate us, they're

designed to get more people on board to be treated for a growing problem

that needs better and tighter definition.

>

> I encourage you, if you are still hovering in the 6's PLEASE do what you

can to get it down to 5.4 or below, because believe me, you WILL feel better

and you'll add years of good health to your life.

>

> I hope this helps you and gets you going toward a healthier you!

>

>

> Bill Powers

>

>

[Guest guest]

yup, that downward push is why docs say 6.0 is ok since folks are not

disciplined enough to get it to 5.0 for the most part.

My doc says I am the only patient she has who runs and a1c of close to 5.0.

All others are 6.5 to 7.0 because they just lack diciplin to buckle down and

do the drill. BTW I lost my eye sight from running an a1c of 7.5 for 7

years.

Also, I'm not saying this to discourage or upset anyone on the list who is

running an a1c of 6.0 or higher, I'm just tossing this out trying to give an

understanding as to why docs say an a1c of 6.0 to 6.5 is ok.

Most docs don't teach carb counting, don't teach a 2 hour post meal test of

120 or less, and so on. They are using old outdated american diabetes

association forms of treatments from the 1970's. I find that most docs that

say an a1c of 6.0 or higher is ok are family mom/pop docs who haven't

recently graduated from medical school, nor update their knowledge base, and

just keep treating diabetes with old school forms of treatment.

Regards,

Re: Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

> Dave,

>

> The new guidelines are set up by the American Diabetic Association, and

it's my understanding that they're also endorsed by the American Medical

Association. The doc I had back in Baltimore was a progressive doc who used

the new guidelines to diagnose me as diabetic and his diagnosis was right on

the money, since after getting on treatment, my health has been much better

thank you.

>

> I talk to a lot of people about diabetes (I'm a big crusader for getting

people to get checked up and to stick to their treatments) and one of the

things I run into quite often is this very issue, where someone will say

" what do you mean it (hemoglobain A 1 c) should be 5.5 or lower? My doc says

I'm fine at 6.2,6.5, 7.0 " (you pick.) What I sense is that person wants to s

omehow feel that they're doing OK just to get the readign down that far and

somehow feels like they're being pushed too much to adhere to new lower

guidelines and wants to fend that downward push off. Hey, if I fought those

guidelines I wouldn't be considered diabetic but then I wouldn't be treated

for it, either, and my symptoms would just get worse and then something

serious would happen down the road that I could have prevented earlier on.

Do you get where I'm going with this?

>

> These new ADA/AMA guidelines aren't designed to frustrate us, they're

designed to get more people on board to be treated for a growing problem

that needs better and tighter definition.

>

> I encourage you, if you are still hovering in the 6's PLEASE do what you

can to get it down to 5.4 or below, because believe me, you WILL feel better

and you'll add years of good health to your life.

>

> I hope this helps you and gets you going toward a healthier you!

>

>

> Bill Powers

>

>

[Guest guest]

but we have to remember that we aren't normal people and it isn't always

possible to achieve a HBA1c of 5%. There are just so many variables for

each individual. What might be okay for one person it may not be for

another. And we don't know the full medical back ground of each individual.

I know for sure that I would be very happy with a HBA1C between 6 to 6.5%

but it isn't always achievable.

From down under

Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

> >

> >

> > > I was just wondering if anyone else on this list has experienced

this

> > before - a blood pressure med was working great giving me good BP

> control

> > through the whole day, and now it's not doing that anymore. I had been

> on

> > Plendil 5 mg and it was keeping my pressure right around the 120/80

mark

> in

> > the morning and even at night. But it seems the last couple of months,

> for

> > no trackable reason, that it's not cutting the mustard and I've been

> getting

> > readings around 159/100. So my doc switched me to Lisonopril 10 mg, as

> it

> > would be better on the kidneys, in hopes this would control the

pressure

> > better. By itself, I was getting readings around 160/90 or 150/110.

> > Obviously that's NOT good. My nephrologist put me BACK on the Plendil

> and

> > said to keep taking the Lisinopril. Then I had a BP check yesterday at

> my

> > regular doc's office and it was still 140/90 so he said to double up

on

> the

> > Lisinopril and continue taking the Plendil, do a diary on the BPs

during

> the

> > day over a week and then see him next week for follow-up.

> > >

> > > Now I know that the body changes over time and I guess it goes

without

> > saying that what once worked doesn't always. And I also know I have to

> > contend with the proteinuria problem I mentioned a couple of months

> back,

> > although have not been able to afford another lab test to check it

again

> > (thank you very much Medicare, you're so wonderful.)

> > >

> > > My obvious objective is to keep the BP lower and stave off any organ

> > damage, so I take this very seriously, and I am finally starting to

make

> > some weight-loss progress without any " diets " , just eating less of

what

> I

> > usually eat. So I'm making some progress, BS's are good, just not BP.

> > >

> > > Although none of us on here are doctors, has anyone else had a

similar

> > experience and if so what worked for you or do you have any comments

> that

> > might point me to something that DOES work?

> > >

> > > Thanks for your thoughts and input.

> > >

> > > Just sign me " frazzled " .....

> > >

> > > Bill Powers

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

but we have to remember that we aren't normal people and it isn't always

possible to achieve a HBA1c of 5%. There are just so many variables for

each individual. What might be okay for one person it may not be for

another. And we don't know the full medical back ground of each individual.

I know for sure that I would be very happy with a HBA1C between 6 to 6.5%

but it isn't always achievable.

From down under

Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

> >

> >

> > > I was just wondering if anyone else on this list has experienced

this

> > before - a blood pressure med was working great giving me good BP

> control

> > through the whole day, and now it's not doing that anymore. I had been

> on

> > Plendil 5 mg and it was keeping my pressure right around the 120/80

mark

> in

> > the morning and even at night. But it seems the last couple of months,

> for

> > no trackable reason, that it's not cutting the mustard and I've been

> getting

> > readings around 159/100. So my doc switched me to Lisonopril 10 mg, as

> it

> > would be better on the kidneys, in hopes this would control the

pressure

> > better. By itself, I was getting readings around 160/90 or 150/110.

> > Obviously that's NOT good. My nephrologist put me BACK on the Plendil

> and

> > said to keep taking the Lisinopril. Then I had a BP check yesterday at

> my

> > regular doc's office and it was still 140/90 so he said to double up

on

> the

> > Lisinopril and continue taking the Plendil, do a diary on the BPs

during

> the

> > day over a week and then see him next week for follow-up.

> > >

> > > Now I know that the body changes over time and I guess it goes

without

> > saying that what once worked doesn't always. And I also know I have to

> > contend with the proteinuria problem I mentioned a couple of months

> back,

> > although have not been able to afford another lab test to check it

again

> > (thank you very much Medicare, you're so wonderful.)

> > >

> > > My obvious objective is to keep the BP lower and stave off any organ

> > damage, so I take this very seriously, and I am finally starting to

make

> > some weight-loss progress without any " diets " , just eating less of

what

> I

> > usually eat. So I'm making some progress, BS's are good, just not BP.

> > >

> > > Although none of us on here are doctors, has anyone else had a

similar

> > experience and if so what worked for you or do you have any comments

> that

> > might point me to something that DOES work?

> > >

> > > Thanks for your thoughts and input.

> > >

> > > Just sign me " frazzled " .....

> > >

> > > Bill Powers

> > >

> > >