Re: carb types and calories

October 25, 2004

I don't eat fruit and carb veggies.

I weigh 160 pounds and am 5 foot 11 inches.

sample meals:

breakfast:

1 cup cherios with splenda, 1 cup skim milk = 30 grams.

1 slice of cheese or 1 hard boiled egg = pretty much free

lunch:

1 sandwhich, two slices of bread, that has any type of lunch meat on it = 30

grams

1 entire can of green beans = 6 grams

Dinner:

1 large piece of roast = 4 grams

1 large dinner salad with meat/cheese/etc = 6 grams from italian dressing and

cheese and other meats on it

1 slice of buttered bread = 15 grams

1 very small potato = 15 grams

Some of the meals are slightly over 30 grams but are covered ok by the humalog

counted as 30 since they are slow acting carbs, not quick acting.

for snacks, which I don't eat to often, I'll eat cucumbers with Italian

dressing, celerey with cream cheese on it, green beans, pickles, olives, maybe a

few nuts, pork rines, etc. all very slow acting carbs.

Sometimes I eat more than 30 grams but, if I do that, my 2 hour post meal, like

I was saying last week, is low so I pop about 1 or 2 glucose tabs to prevent the

low.

HTH

Regards,

carb types and calories

,

You limit your carb intake to around 90 grams daily, but does this mean even

carbs from fruits and veggies? 90 grams of carbs, if you figure about 80

calaories per carb (ie. 15 grams), works out to around 500 calories per day.

I'm guessing, but I think for a male, a count of somewhere in the range of

1500-1800 calories per day is not over-eating. What foods do you eat to make up

for the 1000 plus calories based on my thinking? What would a couple of daily

meal plans look like for you? And, I don't recall you telling, but may I

suppose your weight is okay? Thanks.

Dave

October 25, 2004

I don't eat fruit and carb veggies.

I weigh 160 pounds and am 5 foot 11 inches.

sample meals:

breakfast:

1 cup cherios with splenda, 1 cup skim milk = 30 grams.

1 slice of cheese or 1 hard boiled egg = pretty much free

lunch:

1 sandwhich, two slices of bread, that has any type of lunch meat on it = 30

grams

1 entire can of green beans = 6 grams

Dinner:

1 large piece of roast = 4 grams

1 large dinner salad with meat/cheese/etc = 6 grams from italian dressing and

cheese and other meats on it

1 slice of buttered bread = 15 grams

1 very small potato = 15 grams

Some of the meals are slightly over 30 grams but are covered ok by the humalog

counted as 30 since they are slow acting carbs, not quick acting.

for snacks, which I don't eat to often, I'll eat cucumbers with Italian

dressing, celerey with cream cheese on it, green beans, pickles, olives, maybe a

few nuts, pork rines, etc. all very slow acting carbs.

Sometimes I eat more than 30 grams but, if I do that, my 2 hour post meal, like

I was saying last week, is low so I pop about 1 or 2 glucose tabs to prevent the

low.

HTH

Regards,

carb types and calories

,

You limit your carb intake to around 90 grams daily, but does this mean even

carbs from fruits and veggies? 90 grams of carbs, if you figure about 80

calaories per carb (ie. 15 grams), works out to around 500 calories per day.

I'm guessing, but I think for a male, a count of somewhere in the range of

1500-1800 calories per day is not over-eating. What foods do you eat to make up

for the 1000 plus calories based on my thinking? What would a couple of daily

meal plans look like for you? And, I don't recall you telling, but may I

suppose your weight is okay? Thanks.

Dave

October 26, 2004

Dave,

There are 4 calories for every gram of carb or protein and 9 per gram of

fat.

carb types and calories

,

You limit your carb intake to around 90 grams daily, but does this mean even

carbs from fruits and veggies? 90 grams of carbs, if you figure about 80

calaories per carb (ie. 15 grams), works out to around 500 calories per day.

I'm guessing, but I think for a male, a count of somewhere in the range of

1500-1800 calories per day is not over-eating. What foods do you eat to

make up for the 1000 plus calories based on my thinking? What would a

couple of daily meal plans look like for you? And, I don't recall you

telling, but may I suppose your weight is okay? Thanks.

Dave

October 26, 2004

You don't eat much fruit? How about juice? Tomato or V-8 juice? Peanut

butter? Grains? Fresh veggies? Just curious. Thanks for the details.

Dave

carb types and calories

,

You limit your carb intake to around 90 grams daily, but does this mean even

carbs from fruits and veggies? 90 grams of carbs, if you figure about 80

calaories per carb (ie. 15 grams), works out to around 500 calories per day.

I'm guessing, but I think for a male, a count of somewhere in the range of

1500-1800 calories per day is not over-eating. What foods do you eat to make up

for the 1000 plus calories based on my thinking? What would a couple of daily

meal plans look like for you? And, I don't recall you telling, but may I

suppose your weight is okay? Thanks.

Dave

October 26, 2004

You don't eat much fruit? How about juice? Tomato or V-8 juice? Peanut

butter? Grains? Fresh veggies? Just curious. Thanks for the details.

Dave

carb types and calories

,

You limit your carb intake to around 90 grams daily, but does this mean even

carbs from fruits and veggies? 90 grams of carbs, if you figure about 80

calaories per carb (ie. 15 grams), works out to around 500 calories per day.

I'm guessing, but I think for a male, a count of somewhere in the range of

1500-1800 calories per day is not over-eating. What foods do you eat to make up

for the 1000 plus calories based on my thinking? What would a couple of daily

meal plans look like for you? And, I don't recall you telling, but may I

suppose your weight is okay? Thanks.

Dave

October 26, 2004

oh I eat a lot of veggies... all water based though: broccoli, green beans,

cauliflower, spinach, lettuce, cucumbers, etc.

those don't have hardly any carbs in it to spike your sugar. I don't eat, for

example, corn, peas, beans, carrots, etc.

Those are all high carb veggies that will kill your sugar.

I don't eat any fruit because all the *exact* nutrients in fruit can be derived

from veggies. I'm not kidding. The benefit to eating veggies, like the ones I

listed above, is they have the exact nutrients as fruit and don't spike your

sugar.

HTH

Regards,

carb types and calories

,

You limit your carb intake to around 90 grams daily, but does this mean

even carbs from fruits and veggies? 90 grams of carbs, if you figure about 80

calaories per carb (ie. 15 grams), works out to around 500 calories per day.

I'm guessing, but I think for a male, a count of somewhere in the range of

1500-1800 calories per day is not over-eating. What foods do you eat to make up

for the 1000 plus calories based on my thinking? What would a couple of daily

meal plans look like for you? And, I don't recall you telling, but may I

suppose your weight is okay? Thanks.

Dave

October 26, 2004

oh I eat a lot of veggies... all water based though: broccoli, green beans,

cauliflower, spinach, lettuce, cucumbers, etc.

those don't have hardly any carbs in it to spike your sugar. I don't eat, for

example, corn, peas, beans, carrots, etc.

Those are all high carb veggies that will kill your sugar.

I don't eat any fruit because all the *exact* nutrients in fruit can be derived

from veggies. I'm not kidding. The benefit to eating veggies, like the ones I

listed above, is they have the exact nutrients as fruit and don't spike your

sugar.

HTH

Regards,

carb types and calories

,

You limit your carb intake to around 90 grams daily, but does this mean

even carbs from fruits and veggies? 90 grams of carbs, if you figure about 80

calaories per carb (ie. 15 grams), works out to around 500 calories per day.

I'm guessing, but I think for a male, a count of somewhere in the range of

1500-1800 calories per day is not over-eating. What foods do you eat to make up

for the 1000 plus calories based on my thinking? What would a couple of daily

meal plans look like for you? And, I don't recall you telling, but may I

suppose your weight is okay? Thanks.

Dave

October 26, 2004

oh another thing Dave... I should tell you. Some foods just don't follow the

strict carb counting rules. For example, I take 2 units of humalog per 15 grams.

This morning for breakfast I had a bowl of apple cinamon oatmeal. That is the

most deadliest cereal you could ever eat and is not recommended for any type 2

diabetic on oral meds. Any how, in theory, it is only 45 grams of carbs and

would require only 6 units of H using my scale. However, it needs 7 to keep my 2

hour post meal 120 or less. So, you will find that you, at times, have to taylor

your insulin to certain foods since not all of them neatly fit into the carb

counting routine. I'd say 80% of them do, or at least that has been my

experience.

On the other hand, the bowl of cheerios with 1 cup of skim milk requires only 4

units of H since it is only 30 grams of carbs and that works fine.

I guess I am saying, sometimes you have to taylor your insulin to specific foods

but it is very important to keep the portion size exactly the same each time

round. I.E if I take 7 units of H for the oatmeal, I had better eat it all and

not half the bowl.

The main key to winning this war is the 2 hour post meal test. It shows you how

much insulin you need to take for that exact meal to keep your 2 hour post meal

120 or less.

I never skip a 2 hour post meal test, although in theory I could, but choose not

to. It is the number one weapon I have in this war and love it!

if your 2 hour post meal test is 120 or less 90% of the time, your a1c will

always be between 5.0 to 5.5

Regards,

carb types and calories

,

You limit your carb intake to around 90 grams daily, but does this mean

even carbs from fruits and veggies? 90 grams of carbs, if you figure about 80

calaories per carb (ie. 15 grams), works out to around 500 calories per day.

I'm guessing, but I think for a male, a count of somewhere in the range of

1500-1800 calories per day is not over-eating. What foods do you eat to make up

for the 1000 plus calories based on my thinking? What would a couple of daily

meal plans look like for you? And, I don't recall you telling, but may I

suppose your weight is okay? Thanks.

Dave

October 26, 2004

oh I don't go low sugared in the evenings/early morning while sleeping because

I adjusted my long acting insulin that I take at 8 PM back enough to where my

morning sugar is 80 to 100 and I don't go low in the middle of the night. It has

nothing to do with eating but rather, adjusting my long acting insulin back at 8

PM.

Most docs say you need a bed time snack and that is nuts. The only reason you

would need such a thing is if you take to much insulin and risk going low in the

middle of the night.

I haven't ate a bed time snack in about 1.5 years now.

Regards,

carb types and calories

,

You limit your carb intake to around 90 grams daily, but does this

mean even carbs from fruits and veggies? 90 grams of carbs, if you figure about

80 calaories per carb (ie. 15 grams), works out to around 500 calories per day.

I'm guessing, but I think for a male, a count of somewhere in the range of

1500-1800 calories per day is not over-eating. What foods do you eat to make up

for the 1000 plus calories based on my thinking? What would a couple of daily

meal plans look like for you? And, I don't recall you telling, but may I

suppose your weight is okay? Thanks.

Dave

October 26, 2004

Oh, I know. When I first met with a so called dietician to learn about carb

counting, it appeared it may be a simple science. Alas, not at all. I was told

to begin by calculating 1 u per carb, but this didn't work out. it finally came

into it's own, and in no small way intuition plays a role. I agree that one of

the easiest ways to help yourself is to eat the same portions and even a lot of

similar meals. This isn't hard for me since I enjoy simple foods. I hear you

about fruit, and I agree that the carbs/calaories can be heavy duty with some.

I consider other research also however that suggests there are some very good

benefits to eating certain fruits regarding cancer prevention and general

wellness.

I'm still trying to figure out how you can go from the evening meal, and

presumably with little or no evening/bedtime snack, until breakfast without

having low bg problems. Maybe your secret is that your protein intake is

significantly higher, and this sustains you. I haven't come around yet to the

full realization that protein is not the enemy to the kidneys as we had

discussed a little while back. Maybe a larger portion of meat at the evening

meal will serve to carry me until breakfast with only a little additional

carb/protein intake as a snack.

Dave

carb types and calories

,

You limit your carb intake to around 90 grams daily, but does this

mean even carbs from fruits and veggies? 90 grams of carbs, if you figure about

80 calaories per carb (ie. 15 grams), works out to around 500 calories per day.

I'm guessing, but I think for a male, a count of somewhere in the range of

1500-1800 calories per day is not over-eating. What foods do you eat to make up

for the 1000 plus calories based on my thinking? What would a couple of daily

meal plans look like for you? And, I don't recall you telling, but may I

suppose your weight is okay? Thanks.

Dave

October 26, 2004