Re: Fat tax should be part of policy measures on diets: Study - FYI

[Guest guest]

I think what is being said is that if someone is purchasing food with their own

money, then it's their choice.   If I'm giving someone money to buy food with

(i.e. food stamps through my tax dollars), then yes, I should be able to

stipulate where my tax dollars are going. 

 

> >

> > > I say if there is to be regulation it should be with food stamps 

> and

> what

> > they allow for purchase with, example can buy soda, candy bars, 

> potato

> chips

> > etc. Some kind of regulation with this, much like the ideas used 

> with WIC

> > might be a good idea. If they limited frivolous purchases in that 

> way I

> > would even be amenable to helping the needy with personal items as 

> well,

> > like toilet paper, cleaners, soap for clothing etc.

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:

> > rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Rowell,

> >

> > > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 12:57 PM

> > > To: 'rd-usa <mailto:%27rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> <%27rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>'

> > > Subject: RE: " Fat tax " should be part of policy 

> measures on

> > diets: Study - FYI

> > >

> > > If... " ...on a population level the average level of disease risk 

> would

> > not change significantly " , it's just about government control and 

> loss of

> > freedom then. I say we scrap the whole idea!

> > >

> > > W. Rowell, RD, LN

> > > Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

> > > Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

> > > Certified LEAP Therapist

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'd therefore prefer that my tax dollars not be spent carrying out

war. Should I have that right? If some folks can stipulate what their

tax dollars can and can't do, then perhaps we should have little check

boxes on our IRS forms.

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

> I think what is being said is that if someone is purchasing food

> with their own money, then it's their choice. If I'm giving

> someone money to buy food with (i.e. food stamps through my tax

> dollars), then yes, I should be able to stipulate where my tax

> dollars are going.

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > > I say if there is to be regulation it should be with food stamps

> > and

> > what

> > > they allow for purchase with, example can buy soda, candy bars,

> > potato

> > chips

> > > etc. Some kind of regulation with this, much like the ideas used

> > with WIC

> > > might be a good idea. If they limited frivolous purchases in that

> > way I

> > > would even be amenable to helping the needy with personal items as

> > well,

> > > like toilet paper, cleaners, soap for clothing etc.

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> > <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:

> > > rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> > <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Rowell,

> > >

> > > > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 12:57 PM

> > > > To: 'rd-usa <mailto:%27rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> > <%27rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>'

> > > > Subject: RE: " Fat tax " should be part of policy

> > measures on

> > > diets: Study - FYI

> > > >

> > > > If... " ...on a population level the average level of disease risk

> > would

> > > not change significantly " , it's just about government control and

> > loss of

> > > freedom then. I say we scrap the whole idea!

> > > >

> > > > W. Rowell, RD, LN

> > > > Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

> > > > Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

> > > > Certified LEAP Therapist

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I'd therefore prefer that my tax dollars not be spent carrying out

war. Should I have that right? If some folks can stipulate what their

tax dollars can and can't do, then perhaps we should have little check

boxes on our IRS forms.

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

> I think what is being said is that if someone is purchasing food

> with their own money, then it's their choice. If I'm giving

> someone money to buy food with (i.e. food stamps through my tax

> dollars), then yes, I should be able to stipulate where my tax

> dollars are going.

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > > I say if there is to be regulation it should be with food stamps

> > and

> > what

> > > they allow for purchase with, example can buy soda, candy bars,

> > potato

> > chips

> > > etc. Some kind of regulation with this, much like the ideas used

> > with WIC

> > > might be a good idea. If they limited frivolous purchases in that

> > way I

> > > would even be amenable to helping the needy with personal items as

> > well,

> > > like toilet paper, cleaners, soap for clothing etc.

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> > <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:

> > > rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> > <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Rowell,

> > >

> > > > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 12:57 PM

> > > > To: 'rd-usa <mailto:%27rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> > <%27rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>'

> > > > Subject: RE: " Fat tax " should be part of policy

> > measures on

> > > diets: Study - FYI

> > > >

> > > > If... " ...on a population level the average level of disease risk

> > would

> > > not change significantly " , it's just about government control and

> > loss of

> > > freedom then. I say we scrap the whole idea!

> > > >

> > > > W. Rowell, RD, LN

> > > > Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

> > > > Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

> > > > Certified LEAP Therapist

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Pam,

Unless the parents aren't truthful w me, they have hispanic markets

available - such as Northgate and Superior to name just 2 I can think of

now. Even I shop there bc the food is very affordable. From the addresses of

some in LA and the ethnicity of the majority of the family I've seen 2 that

don't have the big markets available per above. However, they can buy the

big bags of chips. You can't argue that pound for pound chips are more

affordable than chicken or vegetables, even canned. Read my personal

experience story and comment again, bc at least in California there's a Big

Lots every few miles it seems.

What I'm trying to do now is just as you say. Provide education to the

parents. However, to do so I've taken a serious cut in my income, about 50%.

Fortunately I still do other consulting and expert work so I can subsidize

this for a while.

Digna

RE: " Fat tax " should be part of policy

> measures on

> > diets: Study - FYI

> > >

> > > If... " ...on a population level the average level of disease risk

> would

> > not change significantly " , it's just about government control and

> loss of

> > freedom then. I say we scrap the whole idea!

> > >

> > > W. Rowell, RD, LN

> > > Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

> > > Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

> > > Certified LEAP Therapist

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Pam,

Unless the parents aren't truthful w me, they have hispanic markets

available - such as Northgate and Superior to name just 2 I can think of

now. Even I shop there bc the food is very affordable. From the addresses of

some in LA and the ethnicity of the majority of the family I've seen 2 that

don't have the big markets available per above. However, they can buy the

big bags of chips. You can't argue that pound for pound chips are more

affordable than chicken or vegetables, even canned. Read my personal

experience story and comment again, bc at least in California there's a Big

Lots every few miles it seems.

What I'm trying to do now is just as you say. Provide education to the

parents. However, to do so I've taken a serious cut in my income, about 50%.

Fortunately I still do other consulting and expert work so I can subsidize

this for a while.

Digna

RE: " Fat tax " should be part of policy

> measures on

> > diets: Study - FYI

> > >

> > > If... " ...on a population level the average level of disease risk

> would

> > not change significantly " , it's just about government control and

> loss of

> > freedom then. I say we scrap the whole idea!

> > >

> > > W. Rowell, RD, LN

> > > Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

> > > Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

> > > Certified LEAP Therapist

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Some people, like my husband and me, stopped paying taxes with the

stipulation that what we paid could not go to the war. We got into a

shitload of trouble and paid dearly for exercising our right to withhold

part of our money for things we disagreed with. Talk about behavior

modification. I sure stopped doing that afterwards! I do believe that

your idea of checking boxes in the tax form is a great one. You should

submit it to Mr. Obama. He might listen.

RE: " Fat tax " should be part of policy

> > measures on

> > > diets: Study - FYI

> > > >

> > > > If... " ...on a population level the average level of disease risk

> > would

> > > not change significantly " , it's just about government control and

> > loss of

> > > freedom then. I say we scrap the whole idea!

> > > >

> > > > W. Rowell, RD, LN

> > > > Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

> > > > Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

> > > > Certified LEAP Therapist

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Some people, like my husband and me, stopped paying taxes with the

stipulation that what we paid could not go to the war. We got into a

shitload of trouble and paid dearly for exercising our right to withhold

part of our money for things we disagreed with. Talk about behavior

modification. I sure stopped doing that afterwards! I do believe that

your idea of checking boxes in the tax form is a great one. You should

submit it to Mr. Obama. He might listen.

RE: " Fat tax " should be part of policy

> > measures on

> > > diets: Study - FYI

> > > >

> > > > If... " ...on a population level the average level of disease risk

> > would

> > > not change significantly " , it's just about government control and

> > loss of

> > > freedom then. I say we scrap the whole idea!

> > > >

> > > > W. Rowell, RD, LN

> > > > Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

> > > > Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

> > > > Certified LEAP Therapist

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I'm seeing Mexican women straight from a big city where they were poorer

than now that they're here, or from the farm where there was never running

water or a wooden floor. That much I know.

I do believe everyone is capable of doing better than they do. I will not

change that opinion. Otherwise, why did the deities bother to give us a

thumb and a brain capable of analyzing and thining critically.

I'm not just talking about my experience in a WASP neighborhood. I grew up

in a small Caribbean island where there was and is a lot of poverty and

illiteracy, and people lived in cardboard huts. I saw those that used their

powers and intellect move away, move up, do better. Those that didn't? well,

they're still where they were then.

Digna

Re: " Fat tax " should be part of policy measures on

> diets:

> Study - FYI

>

>

> > I need some clarification on this thread. Am I correct in

> interpreting

> that

> > some of you out there feel food stamp recipients should be allowed

> to

> > purchase " JUNK FOOD " with food stamps?? As a registered dietitian

> and US

> > taxpayer I adamantly believe that food stamps should only be

> applied to

> > healthy food choices. If anyone wishes to purchase junk, they are

> welcome

> > to do it on their dime not mine.

>

> I will say that I feel the same way. If I lose my job, and need food

> stamps, I feel that tax-paying citizens should certainly be able to

> have

> a say in how their money is used.

>

> If I use my food stamps to buy nourishing food, I may stay healthy and

> be able to search for work and support myself.

>

> If I use my food stamps to buy cokes, Twinkies, and potato chips, and

> become malnourished as a result, then my fellow citizens' tax dollars

> will go to pay for my medical costs.

>

> - ne

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm seeing Mexican women straight from a big city where they were poorer

than now that they're here, or from the farm where there was never running

water or a wooden floor. That much I know.

I do believe everyone is capable of doing better than they do. I will not

change that opinion. Otherwise, why did the deities bother to give us a

thumb and a brain capable of analyzing and thining critically.

I'm not just talking about my experience in a WASP neighborhood. I grew up

in a small Caribbean island where there was and is a lot of poverty and

illiteracy, and people lived in cardboard huts. I saw those that used their

powers and intellect move away, move up, do better. Those that didn't? well,

they're still where they were then.

Digna

Re: " Fat tax " should be part of policy measures on

> diets:

> Study - FYI

>

>

> > I need some clarification on this thread. Am I correct in

> interpreting

> that

> > some of you out there feel food stamp recipients should be allowed

> to

> > purchase " JUNK FOOD " with food stamps?? As a registered dietitian

> and US

> > taxpayer I adamantly believe that food stamps should only be

> applied to

> > healthy food choices. If anyone wishes to purchase junk, they are

> welcome

> > to do it on their dime not mine.

>

> I will say that I feel the same way. If I lose my job, and need food

> stamps, I feel that tax-paying citizens should certainly be able to

> have

> a say in how their money is used.

>

> If I use my food stamps to buy nourishing food, I may stay healthy and

> be able to search for work and support myself.

>

> If I use my food stamps to buy cokes, Twinkies, and potato chips, and

> become malnourished as a result, then my fellow citizens' tax dollars

> will go to pay for my medical costs.

>

> - ne

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm seeing Mexican women straight from a big city where they were poorer

than now that they're here, or from the farm where there was never running

water or a wooden floor. That much I know.

I do believe everyone is capable of doing better than they do. I will not

change that opinion. Otherwise, why did the deities bother to give us a

thumb and a brain capable of analyzing and thining critically.

I'm not just talking about my experience in a WASP neighborhood. I grew up

in a small Caribbean island where there was and is a lot of poverty and

illiteracy, and people lived in cardboard huts. I saw those that used their

powers and intellect move away, move up, do better. Those that didn't? well,

they're still where they were then.

Digna

Re: " Fat tax " should be part of policy measures on

> diets:

> Study - FYI

>

>

> > I need some clarification on this thread. Am I correct in

> interpreting

> that

> > some of you out there feel food stamp recipients should be allowed

> to

> > purchase " JUNK FOOD " with food stamps?? As a registered dietitian

> and US

> > taxpayer I adamantly believe that food stamps should only be

> applied to

> > healthy food choices. If anyone wishes to purchase junk, they are

> welcome

> > to do it on their dime not mine.

>

> I will say that I feel the same way. If I lose my job, and need food

> stamps, I feel that tax-paying citizens should certainly be able to

> have

> a say in how their money is used.

>

> If I use my food stamps to buy nourishing food, I may stay healthy and

> be able to search for work and support myself.

>

> If I use my food stamps to buy cokes, Twinkies, and potato chips, and

> become malnourished as a result, then my fellow citizens' tax dollars

> will go to pay for my medical costs.

>

> - ne

>

>

[Guest guest]

Seriously? Everything isn't black and white. With that mentality why shouldn't

they be able to buy alcohol? I do aree with the education. But I am also willing

to bet that the convenience stores in the low income areas would start carrying

healthier items if the junk food could no longer be purchased with food stamps.

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I'd therefore prefer that my tax dollars not be spent carrying out

war. Should I have that right? If some folks can stipulate what their

tax dollars can and can't do, then perhaps we should have little check

boxes on our IRS forms.

Pam Charney

pcharney@...

I think what is being said is that if someone is purchasing food

with their own money, then it's their choice. If I'm giving

someone money to buy food with (i.e. food stamps through my tax

dollars), then yes, I should be able to stipulate where my tax

dollars are going.

I say if there is to be regulation it should be with food stamps

and

what

they allow for purchase with, example can buy soda, candy bars,

potato

chips

etc. Some kind of regulation with this, much like the ideas used

with WIC

might be a good idea. If they limited frivolous purchases in that

way I

would even be amenable to helping the needy with personal items as

well,

like toilet paper, cleaners, soap for clothing etc.

________________________________

From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

<rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:

rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

<rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Rowell,

Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 12:57 PM

To: 'rd-usa <mailto:%27rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

<%27rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>'

Subject: RE: " Fat tax " should be part of policy

measures on

diets: Study - FYI

If... " ...on a population level the average level of disease risk

would

not change significantly " , it's just about government control and

loss of

freedom then. I say we scrap the whole idea!

W. Rowell, RD, LN

Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

Certified LEAP Therapist

[Guest guest]

definitely not black and white. As for the idea that taxes be directed for

certain uses, that is exactly what is done for some property taxes with millage

being applied for schools; roads; particular projects. Excise taxes are supposed

to fund roads. Federal taxes are distributed according to congressional

appropriations.

Baretenders are (trained to) and held responsible if they serve impaired

patrons. Obviously, food is more emotional even to us nutrition experts. I am

often amused as accomodations are made to encourage, allow, smoking in our frail

elderly while enforcing unreasonable diet restrictions; go figure. I'd say we

have a lot of work to regarding food and nutrition policies.

Raphaela Rozanski, MS, RD, LDN

>

> I say if there is to be regulation it should be with food stamps

> and

> what

> they allow for purchase with, example can buy soda, candy bars,

> potato

> chips

> etc. Some kind of regulation with this, much like the ideas used

> with WIC

> might be a good idea. If they limited frivolous purchases in that

> way I

> would even be amenable to helping the needy with personal items as

> well,

> like toilet paper, cleaners, soap for clothing etc.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

definitely not black and white. As for the idea that taxes be directed for

certain uses, that is exactly what is done for some property taxes with millage

being applied for schools; roads; particular projects. Excise taxes are supposed

to fund roads. Federal taxes are distributed according to congressional

appropriations.

Baretenders are (trained to) and held responsible if they serve impaired

patrons. Obviously, food is more emotional even to us nutrition experts. I am

often amused as accomodations are made to encourage, allow, smoking in our frail

elderly while enforcing unreasonable diet restrictions; go figure. I'd say we

have a lot of work to regarding food and nutrition policies.

Raphaela Rozanski, MS, RD, LDN

>

> I say if there is to be regulation it should be with food stamps

> and

> what

> they allow for purchase with, example can buy soda, candy bars,

> potato

> chips

> etc. Some kind of regulation with this, much like the ideas used

> with WIC

> might be a good idea. If they limited frivolous purchases in that

> way I

> would even be amenable to helping the needy with personal items as

> well,

> like toilet paper, cleaners, soap for clothing etc.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

sorry, misspelled 'bartender' not baretender which might involve other

training. Raphaela

> >

> > I say if there is to be regulation it should be with food stamps

> > and

> > what

> > they allow for purchase with, example can buy soda, candy bars,

> > potato

> > chips

> > etc. Some kind of regulation with this, much like the ideas used

> > with WIC

> > might be a good idea. If they limited frivolous purchases in that

> > way I

> > would even be amenable to helping the needy with personal items as

> > well,

> > like toilet paper, cleaners, soap for clothing etc.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

sorry, misspelled 'bartender' not baretender which might involve other

training. Raphaela

> >

> > I say if there is to be regulation it should be with food stamps

> > and

> > what

> > they allow for purchase with, example can buy soda, candy bars,

> > potato

> > chips

> > etc. Some kind of regulation with this, much like the ideas used

> > with WIC

> > might be a good idea. If they limited frivolous purchases in that

> > way I

> > would even be amenable to helping the needy with personal items as

> > well,

> > like toilet paper, cleaners, soap for clothing etc.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Agribusiness might well be one more factor in the puzzle. Agribusiness is more

about money than nutrition and health. why make changes that will hit the bottom

line in a negative way for agribusines? Just more to think about. 'The China

Study' has some discussion on the subject of business, politics and the effects

on policy. Regardless of what anybody thinks of the book or its conclusions, the

concepts are thought provoking. Raphaela

> > >

> > > > I say if there is to be regulation it should be with food stamps

> > and

> > what

> > > they allow for purchase with, example can buy soda, candy bars,

> > potato

> > chips

> > > etc. Some kind of regulation with this, much like the ideas used

> > with WIC

> > > might be a good idea. If they limited frivolous purchases in that

> > way I

> > > would even be amenable to helping the needy with personal items as

> > well,

> > > like toilet paper, cleaners, soap for clothing etc.

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> > <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:

> > > rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> > <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Rowell,

> > >

> > > > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 12:57 PM

> > > > To: 'rd-usa <mailto:%27rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> > <%27rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>'

> > > > Subject: RE: " Fat tax " should be part of policy

> > measures on

> > > diets: Study - FYI

> > > >

> > > > If... " ...on a population level the average level of disease risk

> > would

> > > not change significantly " , it's just about government control and

> > loss of

> > > freedom then. I say we scrap the whole idea!

> > > >

> > > > W. Rowell, RD, LN

> > > > Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

> > > > Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

> > > > Certified LEAP Therapist

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Agribusiness might well be one more factor in the puzzle. Agribusiness is more

about money than nutrition and health. why make changes that will hit the bottom

line in a negative way for agribusines? Just more to think about. 'The China

Study' has some discussion on the subject of business, politics and the effects

on policy. Regardless of what anybody thinks of the book or its conclusions, the

concepts are thought provoking. Raphaela

> > >

> > > > I say if there is to be regulation it should be with food stamps

> > and

> > what

> > > they allow for purchase with, example can buy soda, candy bars,

> > potato

> > chips

> > > etc. Some kind of regulation with this, much like the ideas used

> > with WIC

> > > might be a good idea. If they limited frivolous purchases in that

> > way I

> > > would even be amenable to helping the needy with personal items as

> > well,

> > > like toilet paper, cleaners, soap for clothing etc.

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > From: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> > <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:

> > > rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> > <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Rowell,

> > >

> > > > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 12:57 PM

> > > > To: 'rd-usa <mailto:%27rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> > <%27rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>'

> > > > Subject: RE: " Fat tax " should be part of policy

> > measures on

> > > diets: Study - FYI

> > > >

> > > > If... " ...on a population level the average level of disease risk

> > would

> > > not change significantly " , it's just about government control and

> > loss of

> > > freedom then. I say we scrap the whole idea!

> > > >

> > > > W. Rowell, RD, LN

> > > > Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

> > > > Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

> > > > Certified LEAP Therapist

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

There's really a very simple solution to all of that government control It's

called the Constitution. The farther we get from our legislators making and

breaking their OATHS to follow it and defend it, the more problems we have.

Defense spending is clearly Constitutional, all that we are discussing here is

not, arguments to the contrary are incredible stretches of the language. We have

the right to " hire and fire " legislators who are using those tax dollars,

including choosing the use of our military unwisely. That is our control. That

control was exhibited last fall and will be done so again in 2012.

W. Rowell, RD, LN

Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

Certified LEAP Therapist

RE: " Fat tax " should be part of policy

> > measures on

> > > diets: Study - FYI

> > > >

> > > > If... " ...on a population level the average level of disease risk

> > would

> > > not change significantly " , it's just about government control and

> > loss of

> > > freedom then. I say we scrap the whole idea!

> > > >

> > > > W. Rowell, RD, LN

> > > > Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

> > > > Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

> > > > Certified LEAP Therapist

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >