MMR SHOT

[Guest guest]

I haven't heard the MMR/glucose intolerance/autism theory, but my son has

hypoglycemia. I think MMR gave him a leaky gut and therefore lots of food

allergies/intolerances. My son hasn't been diagnosd with autism, but I think

he's on the spectrum somewhere. He does definitely have heavy metal toxicity

issues.

Just my observations, not much help, probably,

Debbie

[Guest guest]

Does anyone have a child/know of a child who has glucose intolerance? If so,

has that child had an MMR shot? I have a friend who has a niece with glucose

intolerance, and has heard that children with this condition who get the MMR

shot has a higher risk for autism. If anyone has any info, it would be

greatly appreciated if you could send it my way. Then I can pass the info along

to my friend.

Thanks!

Anne

[Guest guest]

I am so confused about this shot. I know it contains a lot of viruses not

just one. Someone mentioned breaking the three shots up over several months,

that is hard when your child hates going to the Dr. If a child just gets one

shot and not a booster is there a terrible danger? It is hard when you read

info on this because you have to know how reliable the data is? I am sure

some children have had an increase in symptoms after the shot, but who knows

why? If you don't get the shot and your child gets deathly ill how is that

being a responsible parent? As a Mom I worry because your child can die if they

get any of these terrible diseases, I just don't feel not getting the shot

is an option, however, if something happened and my son got worse, I would

feel horrible, he is doing so well now. Help.

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[Guest guest]

Rubella and measles are serious stuff... no doubt about it. As a

child though several kids I knew got measles and lived. I am sure

people die from measles I know Rubella is more serious and very

dangerous for pregnant women to be exposed to. Mumps I had

personally, after a badd MMR shot and reaction I got mumps 2 years

later. Life is a risk, you have to make your own decisions. As for it

being the first shot you have to ask yourself:

1) is the child around a lot of people susceptible to spreading these

diseases? A lot of the vaccine development was done at earlier times

when there was nothing preventing disease spreading (like vaccines)

and we had outhouses and other shared things that we no longer deal

with. But, daycare and other stuff are considerations.

2) If the answer to #1 is no then can it wait or be spread out?

In the end these answers must come from you and you alone as you must

live with the consequence of that decision. No one can do this for

you and I for one can tell you it stinks. I wish you well. Reading

many sources and using your own internal radar to find what best

applies to you is what I have done. Wish I'd started that earlier

instead of substituting others judgment for my own.

3) If you skip the vaccine and your kid gets the illness would the

doctors know what it was since they see it less often? If that is a

worry and you still want to skip it make sure you know the signs,

symptoms and treatments to help the docs who may have to see your kid

with this.

My family has overactive immune systems. We got the shots but there

is no guarantee they took. If they did not then why would I do it

again if they may not take again? At that point (I currently do not

know if they took or not) I will be revisting the very same #s 1, 2,

and 3 I have laid out here.

>

> I am so confused about this shot. I know it contains a lot of

viruses not

> just one. Someone mentioned breaking the three shots up over

several months,

> that is hard when your child hates going to the Dr. If a child

just gets one

> shot and not a booster is there a terrible danger? It is hard

when you read

> info on this because you have to know how reliable the data is? I

am sure

> some children have had an increase in symptoms after the shot, but

who knows

> why? If you don't get the shot and your child gets deathly ill

how is that

> being a responsible parent? As a Mom I worry because your child

can die if they

> get any of these terrible diseases, I just don't feel not getting

the shot

> is an option, however, if something happened and my son got worse,

I would

> feel horrible, he is doing so well now. Help.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/13/2007 9:07:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

jennyjudy@... writes:

As a Mom I worry because your child can die if they

get any of these terrible diseases,

I would have to say that I disagree with you on this train of thought. While

the above diseases can carry risks and they can have secondary problems, a

normally healthy child fights these things off perfectly well.

The difference in today's society, and back before the vaccine when kids got

it ALL the time and VERY FEW people died, is that moms stayed home back then

to properly care for these children when they were sick.

There's absolutely no reason why a child cannot fight this childhood virus

without complications if they are properly cared for.

not meaning to argue, but there is such a misunderstanding about how

" dangerous " Mumps, measles, and rubella actually are.

Becky

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[Guest guest]

I think the remarks made here are very insensitive. First off, children on

the autism spectrum have weakened immune systems. I don't know what your

situation is and if your child gets sick easily but my child is in school and

does get colds easily. I feel terrible when he his ill and just wanted to

prevent this, but I feel scared, I just wanted support. Secondly, I do stay

home and my child is taken care of 24/7 and I must say taken care of very well.

Each child is different and no one knows the outcome when their child does

get sick. I was not writing this to get any disagreements from anyone, I

just wanted to know if anyone had any first hand experiences or facts they

could

share, these were not facts, they were opinions, your opinions. I believe

shots do prevent children from illnesses that can be very dangerous. Look it

up sometime, measles, mumps and rubella can be deathly, so I disagree with

you.

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In a message dated 10/15/2007 7:53:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

jennyjudy@... writes:

I think the remarks made here are very insensitive. First off, children on

the autism spectrum have weakened immune systems. I don't know what your

situation is and if your child gets sick easily but my child is in school

and

does get colds easily. I feel terrible when he his ill and just wanted to

prevent this, but I feel scared, I just wanted support. Secondly, I do stay

home and my child is taken care of 24/7 and I must say taken care of very

well.

Each child is different and no one knows the outcome when their child does

get sick. I was not writing this to get any disagreements from anyone, I

just wanted to know if anyone had any first hand experiences or facts they

could

share, these were not facts, they were opinions, your opinions. I believe

shots do prevent children from illnesses that can be very dangerous. Look it

up sometime, measles, mumps and rubella can be deathly, so I disagree with

you.

Actually-- you can disagree with me all you want, but the fact remains that

the children don't die from the illnesses themselves, but rather

COMPLICATIONS from the viruses, and or secondary infections. I've done over 10

yrs of

serious and ongoing research into vaccines. Keep in mind that the Medical

professionals that parents are getting their advice from receive *sometimes* 5

HOURS of instruction in regards to vaccinations, and that education is given by

none other than the drug companies that MAKE those vaccinations!

Keeping that in mind-- I am sorry that you felt my comments were

" insensitive " . You may feel that they are " only opinions " but again, I've been

researching this for a great many years, and my opinion is based on FACTS.

Vaccinations is a very heated " arguing point " , so anyone who brings it up on

a board where many kids have a neurogolical damage/condition BECAUSE of

vaccines-- is likely to get a little bit of a response that they may not like.

Your child is on the autism spectrum you said-- which *may sometimes* also

be the cause of immune problems, but it ALSO leaves your child wide open for

damage done to the nervous system, and most likely will damage him/her

neurologically speaking. If you don't believe me then do your own research and

find

out the facts-- because they speak for themselves.

For *MANY* Drs. they outright believe that a child on the autism spectrum or

having an existing neurological condition, is CONTRAINDICATED for the

vaccines. (meaning, they shouldn't receive them)

There are also many Drs that believe the opposite.

What's my point??-- you came here and asked a question, and I gave my VERY

VALID opinion which is based on FACTS that I've researched for many years. You

didn't like my *general* answer, which had nothing to do with you

personally, I might add, so you basically have to take your own instincts and go

from

there. If you're asking the question if they're safe-- that means you have

reasonable doubt that they are safe, and you have reason to believe that they

could damage your child-- otherwise you wouldn't be asking us this question. So

take that doubt and do your own research. Ask around to other mothers who

have kids who have been damaged by these vaccines, and see if the risks

outweigh any possible benefits.

If you ever want a list of books that can be helpful in your research, I

can type them up for you, but until then-- I just suggest doing your own

research and don't listen to what I might say, or anyone else for that matter,

because YOU and YOUR FAMILY are the ones who are ultimately the ones who will

have to take care of your child.

I can help as much as others might allow--and that's about it.

I WILL add, because I feel that I must-- but if I am not mistaken, there

are several kids here on our list that have been neurologically damaged BECAUSE

of these vaccinations, and I would venture to make a guess that those

parents are now totally re-thinking the vaccinations for their children.

Becky

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In a message dated 10/15/2007 2:40:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

catnip9@... writes:

So.... you're risk isn't just death. Your risks are death,

hospitalization, developmental regression due to the disease and/or

the treatment, and permanent brain damage in some instances due to

the encephalopathy that often accompanies these illnesses. So yes...

your child may be alive but he may be very damaged neurologically.

If that were to occur, apraxia would be the least of your concerns.

And I might actually dare to argue the point that you risk ALL OF THE ABOVE

*WITH the vaccinations as well. It's a coin toss, quite frankly, and the

parents have to be the ones to figure out which side of the coin they'd likely

think their child might fall on.

With a healthy diet, preventative health care, chiropractic, and dietary

supplements, with a child having a toxin-free system, it has been proven that

they are able to fight off these viruses effectively.

Becky

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[Guest guest]

I think most of us, myself included, are unaware of the driving

forces behind each vaccine. Not all vaccine-preventable diseases are

universal killers. There are other negative consequences that people

would like to avoid. Rubella is dangerous to unborn children, flu is

bad for old people, and mumps can cause male infertility (I think).

Chicken pox is no problem for most children, but horrible if you get

it as an adult AND it makes you vulnerable to shingles later in

life. (Hence, the new vaccine for shingles...) Often, children (who

are most likely to get and then spread a disease) are vaccinated to

protect another group.

The flu is a perfect example of that. Pediatricians have tried to

convince us that the shot is mandatory for our children's health and

well-being, and there is a movement to include it in the list of

mandatory shots to attend school. However, children with typical

immune systems (not kids with asthma, for example) can and maybe even

should fight off the flu with a shot. However, they spread it to the

senior citizens in their life, who are much more likely to get sick

and die from it. And apparently the shot is less effective in them,

so vaccinating just them doesn't fully solve the problem.

There are no clear answers to guide us, just grey areas.

in NJ

>

>

> In a message dated 10/13/2007 9:07:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> jennyjudy@... writes:

>

> As a Mom I worry because your child can die if they

> get any of these terrible diseases,

>

>

>

>

> I would have to say that I disagree with you on this train of

thought. While

> the above diseases can carry risks and they can have secondary

problems, a

> normally healthy child fights these things off perfectly well.

> The difference in today's society, and back before the vaccine when

kids got

> it ALL the time and VERY FEW people died, is that moms stayed home

back then

> to properly care for these children when they were sick.

> There's absolutely no reason why a child cannot fight this

childhood virus

> without complications if they are properly cared for.

>

> not meaning to argue, but there is such a misunderstanding about

how

> " dangerous " Mumps, measles, and rubella actually are.

>

> Becky

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

The statement that a normal healthy child fights these diseases off

quite well is a falsehood. A normal healthy child becomes quite ill

from these, without exception. Will they survive? Possibly. Will

they avoid hospitalization? Unlikely. Will that hospitalization

result in them receiving ten times the additives we're trying to

avoid? You betcha. Will your child be as far along developmentally

after the illness? Not likely.

So.... you're risk isn't just death. Your risks are death,

hospitalization, developmental regression due to the disease and/or

the treatment, and permanent brain damage in some instances due to

the encephalopathy that often accompanies these illnesses. So yes...

your child may be alive but he may be very damaged neurologically.

If that were to occur, apraxia would be the least of your concerns.

So, if you've had one mmr, get a titer. Had none.... divide them

up. Kid doesn't like it? Well, he's really gonna hate that spinal

tap that occurs without any anesthetic should he/she start to show

symptoms of these diseases. Then there's the IV's, the injections,

the possible intubation.... trust me when I tell you that three

separate shots will be much less painful than the treatment for any

of these illnesses.

Kris

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On Oct 14, 2007, at 8:50 PM, tbniesh@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 10/13/2007 9:07:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> jennyjudy@... writes:

>

> As a Mom I worry because your child can die if they

> get any of these terrible diseases,

>

> I would have to say that I disagree with you on this train of

> thought. While

> the above diseases can carry risks and they can have secondary

> problems, a

> normally healthy child fights these things off perfectly well.

> The difference in today's society, and back before the vaccine when

> kids got

> it ALL the time and VERY FEW people died, is that moms stayed home

> back then

> to properly care for these children when they were sick.

> There's absolutely no reason why a child cannot fight this

> childhood virus

> without complications if they are properly cared for.

>

> not meaning to argue, but there is such a misunderstanding about how

> " dangerous " Mumps, measles, and rubella actually are.

>

> Becky

>

> ************************************** See what's new at http://

> www.aol.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kris. Vaccines are a concern to me. I want to do it right and

am not sure how. Daughter is the current concern. Titres to be

checked. Any help with Hepatitis A, the only primary vaccine she has

not had. She has an autoimmune issue so I'd like to do what I can.

Any knowledge of the risks of not getting it? If we get it I'll

request fresh vaccine and pay.

>

> >

> > In a message dated 10/13/2007 9:07:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> > jennyjudy@... writes:

> >

> > As a Mom I worry because your child can die if they

> > get any of these terrible diseases,

> >

> > I would have to say that I disagree with you on this train of

> > thought. While

> > the above diseases can carry risks and they can have secondary

> > problems, a

> > normally healthy child fights these things off perfectly well.

> > The difference in today's society, and back before the vaccine

when

> > kids got

> > it ALL the time and VERY FEW people died, is that moms stayed

home

> > back then

> > to properly care for these children when they were sick.

> > There's absolutely no reason why a child cannot fight this

> > childhood virus

> > without complications if they are properly cared for.

> >

> > not meaning to argue, but there is such a misunderstanding about

how

> > " dangerous " Mumps, measles, and rubella actually are.

> >

> > Becky

> >

> > ************************************** See what's new at http://

> > www.aol.com

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I have two beefs with these two shots mentioned:

flu: if they get the right strain it can be effective...if. Meanwhile

it comes with mercury.

chickenpox: made from human embryo so you are exposed to more than

you may think...Also, not always effective. Still, as someone who was

pregnant and 35 when I got it I appreciate the fact thatthey are

trying to address it. Tough call.

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 10/13/2007 9:07:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight

Time,

> > jennyjudy@ writes:

> >

> > As a Mom I worry because your child can die if they

> > get any of these terrible diseases,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I would have to say that I disagree with you on this train of

> thought. While

> > the above diseases can carry risks and they can have secondary

> problems, a

> > normally healthy child fights these things off perfectly well.

> > The difference in today's society, and back before the vaccine

when

> kids got

> > it ALL the time and VERY FEW people died, is that moms stayed

home

> back then

> > to properly care for these children when they were sick.

> > There's absolutely no reason why a child cannot fight this

> childhood virus

> > without complications if they are properly cared for.

> >

> > not meaning to argue, but there is such a misunderstanding about

> how

> > " dangerous " Mumps, measles, and rubella actually are.

> >

> > Becky

> >

> >

> >

> > ************************************** See what's new at

> http://www.aol.com

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Kris: Thanks for the support. I really am glad you wrote what you did.

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[Guest guest]

I live in California, and we belong to Kaiser (an HMO). They have told me in

the past that they won't / can't seperate these shots. It's probably the way

that Kaiser orders them. What am I to do in this case??

@...: lizlaw@...: Mon, 15

Oct 2007 18:51:06 +0000Subject: [ ] Re: mmr shot

Thanks Kris. Vaccines are a concern to me. I want to do it right and am not sure

how. Daughter is the current concern. Titres to be checked. Any help with

Hepatitis A, the only primary vaccine she has not had. She has an autoimmune

issue so I'd like to do what I can. Any knowledge of the risks of not getting

it? If we get it I'll request fresh vaccine and pay.> > >> > In a message dated 10/13/2007 9:07:29 A.M. Eastern

Daylight Time,> > jennyjudy@... writes:> >> > As a Mom I worry because your

child can die if they> > get any of these terrible diseases,> >> > I would have

to say that I disagree with you on this train of > > thought. While> > the above

diseases can carry risks and they can have secondary > > problems, a> > normally

healthy child fights these things off perfectly well.> > The difference in

today's society, and back before the vaccine when > > kids got> > it ALL the

time and VERY FEW people died, is that moms stayed home > > back then> > to

properly care for these children when they were sick.> > There's absolutely no

reason why a child cannot fight this > > childhood virus> > without

complications if they are properly cared for.> >> > not meaning to argue, but

there is such a misunderstanding about how> > " dangerous " Mumps, measles, and

rubella actually are.> >> > Becky> >> > **************************************

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[Guest guest]

Hep A used to be only " required " in some parts of the country. If

you didn't live there, no need to worry about it. Now it looks like

it is being recommended nationwide, not sure if school systems are

requiring it though.

Hepatitis A is no fun but it isn't of the same level as things like

diptheria and such. And, it is easily prevented by drinking clean

water and using good hand washing. When you hear of outbreaks it is

usually related to a contaminated water source or because some guy is

working in a restaurant, he's infected and he's not washing his hands

prior to handling your food.

There are deaths due to Hep A but not like with the other vaccine

preventable illnesses. They are rare. The virus in this vaccine is

inactivated and they are using a preservative other than

thimerasol....so that is their " safety " claims. I think though that

you need to talk to your child's immunologist because while the virus

is still inactivated, there are active proteins. Just make sure that

if you were to accept the vaccine that your child wouldn't have an

adverse reaction due to her autoimmune status. Often autoimmune

diseases don't interfere with vaccines but if it was me, I'd ask her

immunologist for a full reassurance prior to vaccinating with Hep A.

Hope that helps.

Kris

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On Oct 15, 2007, at 2:51 PM, ilizzy03 wrote:

> Thanks Kris. Vaccines are a concern to me. I want to do it right and

> am not sure how. Daughter is the current concern. Titres to be

> checked. Any help with Hepatitis A, the only primary vaccine she has

> not had. She has an autoimmune issue so I'd like to do what I can.

> Any knowledge of the risks of not getting it? If we get it I'll

> request fresh vaccine and pay.

>

>

> >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 10/13/2007 9:07:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> > > jennyjudy@... writes:

> > >

> > > As a Mom I worry because your child can die if they

> > > get any of these terrible diseases,

> > >

> > > I would have to say that I disagree with you on this train of

> > > thought. While

> > > the above diseases can carry risks and they can have secondary

> > > problems, a

> > > normally healthy child fights these things off perfectly well.

> > > The difference in today's society, and back before the vaccine

> when

> > > kids got

> > > it ALL the time and VERY FEW people died, is that moms stayed

> home

> > > back then

> > > to properly care for these children when they were sick.

> > > There's absolutely no reason why a child cannot fight this

> > > childhood virus

> > > without complications if they are properly cared for.

> > >

> > > not meaning to argue, but there is such a misunderstanding about

> how

> > > " dangerous " Mumps, measles, and rubella actually are.

> > >

> > > Becky

> > >

> > > ************************************** See what's new at http://

> > > www.aol.com

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Only one of the flu shots comes with mercury. The fluzone that is

used for infants, it comes in various sized prefilled syringes and

has no preservatives and is mercury free. There is a fluzone that

comes in a 5 ml multi-use vial and it does have thimerosal. Here's a

link that gives you a run down on the forms of the vaccine and how to

recognize which is being used.

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/fluzone13.htm

Kris

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On Oct 15, 2007, at 2:54 PM, ilizzy03 wrote:

> I have two beefs with these two shots mentioned:

>

> flu: if they get the right strain it can be effective...if. Meanwhile

> it comes with mercury.

>

> chickenpox: made from human embryo so you are exposed to more than

> you may think...Also, not always effective. Still, as someone who was

> pregnant and 35 when I got it I appreciate the fact thatthey are

> trying to address it. Tough call.

>

>

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 10/13/2007 9:07:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight

> Time,

> > > jennyjudy@ writes:

> > >

> > > As a Mom I worry because your child can die if they

> > > get any of these terrible diseases,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I would have to say that I disagree with you on this train of

> > thought. While

> > > the above diseases can carry risks and they can have secondary

> > problems, a

> > > normally healthy child fights these things off perfectly well.

> > > The difference in today's society, and back before the vaccine

> when

> > kids got

> > > it ALL the time and VERY FEW people died, is that moms stayed

> home

> > back then

> > > to properly care for these children when they were sick.

> > > There's absolutely no reason why a child cannot fight this

> > childhood virus

> > > without complications if they are properly cared for.

> > >

> > > not meaning to argue, but there is such a misunderstanding about

> > how

> > > " dangerous " Mumps, measles, and rubella actually are.

> > >

> > > Becky

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ************************************** See what's new at

> > http://www.aol.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dr. Cave has written a book about vaccinations and

outlines a schedule for those who are worried about all the multiple

things given in one day. If memory serves, she has a child on the

spectrum, and practices out of Baton Rouge, LA. She is still in

practice.

For what it's worth, I have a friend who is an MD, with a child on

the spectrum. I asked her once which childhood disease was

the " worst " in her opinion.....her response was " Polio " . Then she

went on to say that there were no known cases of polio in the world -

the only cases have been involving lab workers who work with the

live virus and have accidentally been exposed.

Now, please take note - I AM NOT TRYING TO START A HUGE, LONG, BACK

AND FORTH ABOUT WHICH DISEASE IS WORSE. They are all bad. For some

reason, I decided to post. I sure hope it doesn't go on for days..

I have decided not to vaccinate my children anymore. I've

researched it and have seen what it did to one child. I work with

my MD and try to keep everyone as healthy as possible via diet and

supplements. There is no crystal ball telling us what lies ahead.

We can only do the best we can and what we think is best based upon

research. If an outbreak of something horrific happens, I'll re-

evaluate at that time.

peacefully,

Stephanee

>

> > Thanks Kris. Vaccines are a concern to me. I want to do it right

and

> > am not sure how. Daughter is the current concern. Titres to be

> > checked. Any help with Hepatitis A, the only primary vaccine she

has

> > not had. She has an autoimmune issue so I'd like to do what I

can.

> > Any knowledge of the risks of not getting it? If we get it I'll

> > request fresh vaccine and pay.

> >

[Guest guest]

No insurance company will. You will always have to pay for this out

of pocket and pay for the administration fees yourself. Its just one

of those things that if we want to take that precaution then we can't

expect our insurance companies to have added expenses. We have to

cover that ourselves.

Kris

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On Oct 16, 2007, at 12:25 AM, Hanagan wrote:

>

> I live in California, and we belong to Kaiser (an HMO). They have

> told me in the past that they won't / can't seperate these shots.

> It's probably the way that Kaiser orders them. What am I to do in

> this case??

>

> @...:

> lizlaw@...: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:51:06 +0000Subject:

> [ ] Re: mmr shot

>

> Thanks Kris. Vaccines are a concern to me. I want to do it right

> and am not sure how. Daughter is the current concern. Titres to be

> checked. Any help with Hepatitis A, the only primary vaccine she

> has not had. She has an autoimmune issue so I'd like to do what I

> can. Any knowledge of the risks of not getting it? If we get it

> I'll request fresh vaccine and pay.> > >> > In a message dated 10/13/2007 9:07:29

> A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,> > jennyjudy@... writes:> >> > As a Mom

> I worry because your child can die if they> > get any of these

> terrible diseases,> >> > I would have to say that I disagree with

> you on this train of > > thought. While> > the above diseases can

> carry risks and they can have secondary > > problems, a> > normally

> healthy child fights these things off perfectly well.> > The

> difference in today's society, and back before the vaccine when > >

> kids got> > it ALL the time and VERY FEW people died, is that moms

> stayed home > > back then> > to properly care for these children

> when they were sick.> > There's absolutely no reason why a child

> cannot fight this > > childhood virus> > without complications if

> they are properly cared for.> >> > not meaning to argue, but there

> is such a misunderstanding about how> > " dangerous " Mumps, measles,

> and rubella actually are.> >> > Becky> >> >

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In a message dated 10/16/2007 8:35:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hanagan_8@h

otmail.com writes:

I live in California, and we belong to Kaiser (an HMO). They have told me in

the past that they won't / can't seperate these shots. It's probably the way

that Kaiser orders them. What am I to do in this case??

If I'm not mistaken, you can approach a Ped and mention your medical

concerns (which ARE valid, by the way) in regards to the combination shot. If

the Dr

can get behind it being separated and order them to be given individually,

the HMO has to comply. ( I think)

check into it

Becky

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In a message dated 10/16/2007 12:00:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

catnip9@... writes:

Only one of the flu shots comes with mercury. The fluzone that is

used for infants, it comes in various sized prefilled syringes and

has no preservatives and is mercury free. There is a fluzone that

comes in a 5 ml multi-use vial and it does have thimerosal. Here's a

link that gives you a run down on the forms of the vaccine and how to

recognize which is being used.

But thimerosal is problematic

Something to also be aware of--- they are allowed to call a vaccine

" mercury-free " while it STILL CONTAINS mercury-- just to a lesser degree. The

FDA

allows a certain amount of mercury to be in the vaccines and to be called

" mercury-free " . So just be sure you check into all the ingredients to be 100%

sure of what your child is getting.

The amounts that they allow in the vaccines still do damage, so just check

into it

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No one is saying that we shouldn't be concerned about thimerosal. I

just wanted to make sure that the statements made were corrected.

Single use syringes of fluzone are " free " . It is the multiuse vial

that is not. And this is the common denominator. Multiuse vial

versus single use. If a vaccine has only one dsoe per vial, then it

requires no preservative. Therefore, the company isn't going to be

spending extra money on tossing in the thimerosal. But, when you see

a vial that has multiple doses within it there's going to be a

preservative of some kind and thimerosal is the cheapest. So.....

its a good bet that the item contains thimerosal.

That is why every parent needs to go to the FDA site and see their

listing of the vaccines. Even the ones that are advertised as " free "

have to be listed on that site as whether or not they have a trace of

the thimerosal. This is was one of the few concessions the FDA and

govt. made when the thimerosal thing got started.So parents need to

familiarize ourselves with which ones really are " free " and which

ones just meet the legal description of " free " .

Here's is the FDA report. Scroll down to the tables.

http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

Now.... while we're on the subject....

Thimerosal was " removed " from vaccines but no ruling was ever made

regarding using the preservative in other things....like prescription

eye drops for infants.....even over the counter nasal sprays. My

child used several antibiotic eye solutions as an infant which I

found out later use thimerosal as their preservative. While

companies don't always advertise this the FDA did (as part of that

same concession) make a listing of the medications that contain the

preservative.

Here's a link to that list....

http://www.fda.gov/cder/fdama/mercury300.htm

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On Oct 19, 2007, at 8:59 PM, tbniesh@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 10/16/2007 12:00:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> catnip9@... writes:

>

> Only one of the flu shots comes with mercury. The fluzone that is

> used for infants, it comes in various sized prefilled syringes and

> has no preservatives and is mercury free. There is a fluzone that

> comes in a 5 ml multi-use vial and it does have thimerosal. Here's a

> link that gives you a run down on the forms of the vaccine and how to

> recognize which is being used.

>

> But thimerosal is problematic

> Something to also be aware of--- they are allowed to call a vaccine

> " mercury-free " while it STILL CONTAINS mercury-- just to a lesser

> degree. The FDA

> allows a certain amount of mercury to be in the vaccines and to be

> called

> " mercury-free " . So just be sure you check into all the ingredients

> to be 100%

> sure of what your child is getting.

> The amounts that they allow in the vaccines still do damage, so

> just check

> into it

>

> Becky

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Separating them isn't going to make them safer. You want to look at the

ingredients and the contraindications and make sure your child is clear on

all. you want to be sure to understand everything on the ingredient list.

Vaccines don't improve your child's immune system but will introduce 100%

risk of the vaccine.. whereas if you don't vax, and build the immune system

naturally, you risk none of the vaccine and might never have to deal wt the

disease either.

I have a link to the ingredients here: list of ingredients:

http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/ingredie.html

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