Guest guest Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Hi all, I am meeting with a client this week who has an ileal pouch (and has had it for several years). Recently this pouch has become inflamed and she was diagnosed with pouchitis. Aside from the medication she is on for this, she has asked whether or not there are any nutritional recommendations that can help prevent this condition from occurring again. Any thoughts out there? Thanks in advance, Garay Redmond, MS, RD, CSCS Adjunct Instructor, Syracuse University jlgaray@... www.majorleaguewellness.com<http://www.majorleaguewellness.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 The probiotic VSL 3 has been beneficial with pouchitis. They have very good information on this on their web site. It requires a prescription. Cece ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 18:53:20 +0000 >From: rd-usa (on behalf of Garay Redmond ) >Subject: Request for info about pouchitis >To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa > > > > > Hi all, > I am meeting with a client this week who has an > ileal pouch (and has had it for several years). > Recently this pouch has become inflamed and she was > diagnosed with pouchitis. Aside from the medication > she is on for this, she has asked whether or not > there are any nutritional recommendations that can > help prevent this condition from occurring again. > Any thoughts out there? > > Thanks in advance, > > Garay Redmond, MS, RD, CSCS > Adjunct Instructor, Syracuse University > jlgaray@... > www.majorleaguewellness.com<http://www.majorleaguewellness.com/> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > This message is intended for the use of the addressee only and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be notified that any dissemination or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Un-intended transmission does not constitute waiver of attorney-client privilege or any other privilege. If you have received this message in error, please delete all copies of the message and its attachments and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 The probiotic VSL 3 has been beneficial with pouchitis. They have very good information on this on their web site. It requires a prescription. Cece ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 18:53:20 +0000 >From: rd-usa (on behalf of Garay Redmond ) >Subject: Request for info about pouchitis >To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa > > > > > Hi all, > I am meeting with a client this week who has an > ileal pouch (and has had it for several years). > Recently this pouch has become inflamed and she was > diagnosed with pouchitis. Aside from the medication > she is on for this, she has asked whether or not > there are any nutritional recommendations that can > help prevent this condition from occurring again. > Any thoughts out there? > > Thanks in advance, > > Garay Redmond, MS, RD, CSCS > Adjunct Instructor, Syracuse University > jlgaray@... > www.majorleaguewellness.com<http://www.majorleaguewellness.com/> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > This message is intended for the use of the addressee only and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be notified that any dissemination or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Un-intended transmission does not constitute waiver of attorney-client privilege or any other privilege. If you have received this message in error, please delete all copies of the message and its attachments and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 The probiotic VSL 3 has been beneficial with pouchitis. They have very good information on this on their web site. It requires a prescription. Cece ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 18:53:20 +0000 >From: rd-usa (on behalf of Garay Redmond ) >Subject: Request for info about pouchitis >To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa > > > > > Hi all, > I am meeting with a client this week who has an > ileal pouch (and has had it for several years). > Recently this pouch has become inflamed and she was > diagnosed with pouchitis. Aside from the medication > she is on for this, she has asked whether or not > there are any nutritional recommendations that can > help prevent this condition from occurring again. > Any thoughts out there? > > Thanks in advance, > > Garay Redmond, MS, RD, CSCS > Adjunct Instructor, Syracuse University > jlgaray@... > www.majorleaguewellness.com<http://www.majorleaguewellness.com/> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > This message is intended for the use of the addressee only and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be notified that any dissemination or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Un-intended transmission does not constitute waiver of attorney-client privilege or any other privilege. If you have received this message in error, please delete all copies of the message and its attachments and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 ginger, slippery elm powder or marshmallow root, omega 3 fatty acids and GLA would be a couple ideas. sweet potatoes are very healing as well. From my blogspot: gingerjens.blogspot.com The glycocalyx is a free form matrix made up of a jelly like mixture of starches, fluid, ions and other goo. Jello is an well known example of a free form matrix made up of starches and fluid. The glycocalyx jelly layer may act like glue between cells or like sealant coating the interior and exterior of pipes in plumbing repair. It protects our surfaces around cells and the lining of blood vessels and organs. The stickiness allows cellular interactions to take place more easily between white blood cells and protein receptors found in cell membranes. Imagine trying to build a garden hose out of lettuce leaves and strawberry jam - that is kind of how a blood vessel is made. The faster current in blood vessels can flow on while white blood cells can pause and perform tasks safely sticking in the slower goo of the glycocalyx layer. It reminds me of the muddy bottom of river beds where minnows hide and frogs lay eggs. The glycolipids and glycoproteins may be long and branching like sea-weed and algae and the fibrous mixture may be like a net, slowing down and trapping things flowing by in the blood stream or in other vessels like airways and the digestive track. Our intestines are miles long and wide open to every passing food particle unless our cells are replaced regularly and are well coated with the glycocalyx layer. The digestive track has the shortest lived cells in the body. They are replaced every seven days on average – that is a lot of miles of cells for our white blood cells to patrol in order to identify the decaying ones and provide them a quick death by apoptosis. Apoptosis is nature’s control over pre-cancerous, decaying cells. Well nourished white blood cells can recognize the old or infected cells, give them a little enzyme blast of death and then engulf the waste material, resulting in no inflammation or discomfort to us. It happens every day. Apoptosis requires the white blood cell to have nutrient building blocks for all the chemical steps in the process, and the white blood cell membrane has to join with the other cell membrane temporarily probably occurring within the glycocalyx layer. The intestines also need plenty of fiber from our diets to build and rebuild the jelly layer coating its surfaces. Animal foods do not offer any fiber for building this protective layer and a diet high in meat and dairy and refined grains can leave the body more open to allergens and infection. Fiber is found in all plant foods and whole grains. A fiber pill or fortified food is unlikely to meet our need for a variety of different starches. Vine ripened produce has a higher content of some of the essential types of starches then produce that is picked early and forced to ripen with plant hormones. Frozen and canned vegetables are picked at peak ripeness and then processed rapidly and may provide more nutrients then some " fresh " produce. Carrots, apples, pears, pre-ripened peaches and nectarines, berries, cherries, sweet potatoes, onions, garlic, peas, green beans, other beans, nuts, seeds, guava, turnips, mushrooms, corn, leeks, dark greens, fenugreek, aloe vera, slippery elm powder, marshmallow root, cinnamon, turmeric, horseradish and ginger are a few super starch foods but there are lots more. Broth made with bones provides glucosamine which is important for the synovial fluid (glycocalyx) in the joints between our bones. Supplemental glucosamine is usually extracted from shells of crustaceans and can be a risk to people with an allergy to seafood. Glucosamine derived from cornstarch has been developed and hopefully will make it into healthier foods for me and you soon. Vajda, R.D. Dietitian = a mathematician who likes food. ________________________________ To: rd-usa Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 2:43:25 PM Subject: Re: Request for info about pouchitis The probiotic VSL 3 has been beneficial with pouchitis. They have very good information on this on their web site. It requires a prescription. Cece ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 18:53:20 +0000 >From: rd-usa (on behalf of Garay Redmond >) >Subject: Request for info about pouchitis >To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa > > > > > Hi all, > I am meeting with a client this week who has an > ileal pouch (and has had it for several years). > Recently this pouch has become inflamed and she was > diagnosed with pouchitis. Aside from the medication > she is on for this, she has asked whether or not > there are any nutritional recommendations that can > help prevent this condition from occurring again. > Any thoughts out there? > > Thanks in advance, > > Garay Redmond, MS, RD, CSCS > Adjunct Instructor, Syracuse University > jlgaray@... > www.majorleaguewellness.com<http://www.majorleaguewellness.com/> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > This message is intended for the use of the addressee only and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be notified that any dissemination or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Un-intended transmission does not constitute waiver of attorney-client privilege or any other privilege. If you have received this message in error, please delete all copies of the message and its attachments and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. 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Guest guest Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Be careful with the glucosamine. Recent research found that it destroys beta cells and increases the risk of diabetes. Ro From: Vajda Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 12:25 AM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Request for info about pouchitis ginger, slippery elm powder or marshmallow root, omega 3 fatty acids and GLA would be a couple ideas. sweet potatoes are very healing as well. From my blogspot: gingerjens.blogspot.com The glycocalyx is a free form matrix made up of a jelly like mixture of starches, fluid, ions and other goo. Jello is an well known example of a free form matrix made up of starches and fluid. The glycocalyx jelly layer may act like glue between cells or like sealant coating the interior and exterior of pipes in plumbing repair. It protects our surfaces around cells and the lining of blood vessels and organs. The stickiness allows cellular interactions to take place more easily between white blood cells and protein receptors found in cell membranes. Imagine trying to build a garden hose out of lettuce leaves and strawberry jam - that is kind of how a blood vessel is made. The faster current in blood vessels can flow on while white blood cells can pause and perform tasks safely sticking in the slower goo of the glycocalyx layer. It reminds me of the muddy bottom of river beds where minnows hide and frogs lay eggs. The glycolipids and glycoproteins may be long and branching like sea-weed and algae and the fibrous mixture may be like a net, slowing down and trapping things flowing by in the blood stream or in other vessels like airways and the digestive track. Our intestines are miles long and wide open to every passing food particle unless our cells are replaced regularly and are well coated with the glycocalyx layer. The digestive track has the shortest lived cells in the body. They are replaced every seven days on average – that is a lot of miles of cells for our white blood cells to patrol in order to identify the decaying ones and provide them a quick death by apoptosis. Apoptosis is nature’s control over pre-cancerous, decaying cells. Well nourished white blood cells can recognize the old or infected cells, give them a little enzyme blast of death and then engulf the waste material, resulting in no inflammation or discomfort to us. It happens every day. Apoptosis requires the white blood cell to have nutrient building blocks for all the chemical steps in the process, and the white blood cell membrane has to join with the other cell membrane temporarily probably occurring within the glycocalyx layer. The intestines also need plenty of fiber from our diets to build and rebuild the jelly layer coating its surfaces. Animal foods do not offer any fiber for building this protective layer and a diet high in meat and dairy and refined grains can leave the body more open to allergens and infection. Fiber is found in all plant foods and whole grains. A fiber pill or fortified food is unlikely to meet our need for a variety of different starches. Vine ripened produce has a higher content of some of the essential types of starches then produce that is picked early and forced to ripen with plant hormones. Frozen and canned vegetables are picked at peak ripeness and then processed rapidly and may provide more nutrients then some " fresh " produce. Carrots, apples, pears, pre-ripened peaches and nectarines, berries, cherries, sweet potatoes, onions, garlic, peas, green beans, other beans, nuts, seeds, guava, turnips, mushrooms, corn, leeks, dark greens, fenugreek, aloe vera, slippery elm powder, marshmallow root, cinnamon, turmeric, horseradish and ginger are a few super starch foods but there are lots more. Broth made with bones provides glucosamine which is important for the synovial fluid (glycocalyx) in the joints between our bones. Supplemental glucosamine is usually extracted from shells of crustaceans and can be a risk to people with an allergy to seafood. Glucosamine derived from cornstarch has been developed and hopefully will make it into healthier foods for me and you soon. Vajda, R.D. Dietitian = a mathematician who likes food. ________________________________ From: Cece Ohmart <mailto:cohmart%40mainehospital.org> To: mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 2:43:25 PM Subject: Re: Request for info about pouchitis The probiotic VSL 3 has been beneficial with pouchitis. They have very good information on this on their web site. It requires a prescription. Cece ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 18:53:20 +0000 >From: mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com (on behalf of Garay Redmond ><mailto:jlgaray%40syr.edu>) >Subject: Request for info about pouchitis >To: " mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com " <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Hi all, > I am meeting with a client this week who has an > ileal pouch (and has had it for several years). > Recently this pouch has become inflamed and she was > diagnosed with pouchitis. Aside from the medication > she is on for this, she has asked whether or not > there are any nutritional recommendations that can > help prevent this condition from occurring again. > Any thoughts out there? > > Thanks in advance, > > Garay Redmond, MS, RD, CSCS > Adjunct Instructor, Syracuse University > mailto:jlgaray%40syr.edu<mailto:mailto:jlgaray%40syr.edu> > www.majorleaguewellness.com<http://www.majorleaguewellness.com/> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > This message is intended for the use of the addressee only and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be notified that any dissemination or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Un-intended transmission does not constitute waiver of attorney-client privilege or any other privilege. 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Guest guest Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 I never used the combo supplements - chondroitin absoprtion was a problem I think. Glucosamine is a building block. The pain relief occurs after a few weeks of taking it. Adequate hydration would be crucial for reduced joint pain. If studies didn't control for individual's hydration habits, then results might be confounded by those participants. I have always noticed its benefit more when I have run out for a month. My joints get creakier and achier and I think, oh, I forgot to buy more glucosamine. It is a building block and would need all of the other building blocks. Supplement studies annoy me because how can we expect any 'one' thing to help our complex physiology. I have been sensing a media suppression of alternatives that work because they threaten the big money pharmaceutical industry. Food is what our bodies need. Glucosamine in our diet most traditionally would come from rich healthy beef and chicken stocks. I just don't cook that way very often and a pill is easy. " Taking glucosamine does not adversely affect blood sugar control in diabetics, according to a report in Archives of Internal Medicine (2003;163:1587–90). This study confirms the results of a previous report and should allay the concern voiced by some scientists that glucosamine has the potential to increase blood sugar levels. While glucosamine is generally considered to be safe and has not been associated with any serious side effects, preliminary studies in animals suggest that it could cause insulin resistance and other abnormalities of blood sugar metabolism. The relevance of these studies to humans has been questioned, however, since glucosamine was administered in the animal studies in relatively large amounts by continuous intravenous infusion. In the new study, a group of elderly people with type 2 (adult onset) diabetes were randomly assigned to receive either a placebo or the combination of glucosamine hydrochloride (1,500 mg per day) and chondroitin sulfate (1,200 mg per day) for 90 days. Chondroitin sulfate is another natural substance that is sometimes used in combination with glucosamine to treat osteoarthritis. Chondroitin sulfate has not been found to affect blood sugar levels. A laboratory test that assesses long-term blood-glucose control (hemoglobin A1c) was performed at the beginning and the end of the study. Compared with the placebo, glucosamine-chondroitin treatment had no significant effect on hemoglobin A1c levels. None of the participants required a change in their diabetes medication during the study. The absence of any effect on blood sugar control is consistent with the results of a previous study of nondiabetics. In that study, supplementing with 1,500 mg of glucosamine sulfate per day for three years was associated with a slight decrease in blood sugar levels. Taken together, these studies strongly suggest that people with diabetes can safely take glucosamine, and that supplementing with this natural osteoarthritis remedy does not increase the risk of developing diabetes. " from - http://bastyrcenter.org/content/view/759/ " Some preliminary research had suggested that glucosamine might worsen insulin resistance, which can contribute to increases in blood sugar in people with type 2 diabetes. However, subsequent studies refute these findings. While glucosamine doesn't appear to affect blood sugar levels, talk with your doctor about potential interactions with other medications you might be taking — such as warfarin (Coumadin), a blood thinner. " from - http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/glucosamine/AN01723 Glucosamine and Chondroitin Fare No Better Than Placebo in Slowing Cartilage Loss From Knee Osteoarthritis The dietary supplements glucosamine and chondroitin do not appear to be effective in slowing structural damage (loss of joint-cushioning cartilage) from knee osteoarthritis (OA), according to a study reported in the journal Arthritis and Rheumatism. The 2-year study was an ancillary component of the Glucosamine/chondroitin Arthritis Intervention Trial (GAIT). The GAIT research was sponsored by NCCAM and the National Institute of Arthritis and Musculoskeletal and Skin Diseases (NIAMS). The ancillary study enrolled 572 GAIT participants who had moderate or severe knee OA. Researchers randomly assigned participants to receive one of five treatments for 24 months: glucosamine (500 mg three times daily), chondroitin sulfate (400 mg three times daily), glucosamine and chondroitin combined (same doses), celecoxib (Celebrex, 200 mg once daily), or placebo. The study's primary outcome measure was mean change in joint space width, as determined by x-ray, at 24 months. The final sample included 357 subjects with OA in one or both knees; a total of 581 knees qualified for analysis. Compared with placebo, neither glucosamine, chondroitin, nor combination treatment achieved a statistically significant, clinically important difference in loss of joint space width. There was some improvement for participants with moderate OA who took glucosamine alone, but not enough to warrant any conclusions. The researchers observed that loss of joint space width was greater with combined treatment than with either treatment alone, which raises the possibility that combined use may interfere with absorption. Loss of cartilage in the placebo group was less than expected, which complicated interpretation of study findings. An earlier, larger GAIT study found that glucosamine and chondroitin generally were no more effective than placebo in relieving knee OA pain over 24 weeks, although a subset of participants (those with moderate-to-severe pain) did benefit from combined treatment. * Sawitzke AD, Shi H, Finco MF, et al. The effect of glucosamine and/or chondroitin sulfate on the progression of knee osteoarthritis: a report from the Glucosamine/chondroitin Arthritis Intervention Trial. Arthritis and Rheumatism. 2008;58(1):3183–3191. from - http://nccam.nih.gov/research/results/spotlight/051110.htm " Glucosamine and chondroitin sulfate, alone or in combination, were not significantly better than placebo in reducing knee pain in the overall group of patients. However, the subgroup with moderate-to-severe pain had significant relief with the combined supplements (the researchers noted that this apparent benefit would need to be confirmed by another trial). Participant response time was much faster with celecoxib than with glucosamine, chondroitin, or the two in combination. Adverse events tended to be mild, infrequent, and comparable across the treatment groups. * Clegg DO, Reda DJ, CL, et al. Glucosamine, chondroitin sulfate, and the two in combination for painful knee osteoarthritis. New England Journal of Medicine. 2006;354(8):795–808).from - http://nccam.nih.gov/research/results/spotlight/051010.htm R Vajda, R.D. ________________________________ To: rd-usa Sent: Thu, February 10, 2011 8:00:29 AM Subject: Re: Request for info about pouchitis Be careful with the glucosamine. Recent research found that it destroys beta cells and increases the risk of diabetes. Ro From: Vajda Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 12:25 AM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Request for info about pouchitis ginger, slippery elm powder or marshmallow root, omega 3 fatty acids and GLA would be a couple ideas. sweet potatoes are very healing as well. From my blogspot: gingerjens.blogspot.com The glycocalyx is a free form matrix made up of a jelly like mixture of starches, fluid, ions and other goo. Jello is an well known example of a free form matrix made up of starches and fluid. The glycocalyx jelly layer may act like glue between cells or like sealant coating the interior and exterior of pipes in plumbing repair. It protects our surfaces around cells and the lining of blood vessels and organs. The stickiness allows cellular interactions to take place more easily between white blood cells and protein receptors found in cell membranes. Imagine trying to build a garden hose out of lettuce leaves and strawberry jam - that is kind of how a blood vessel is made. The faster current in blood vessels can flow on while white blood cells can pause and perform tasks safely sticking in the slower goo of the glycocalyx layer. It reminds me of the muddy bottom of river beds where minnows hide and frogs lay eggs. The glycolipids and glycoproteins may be long and branching like sea-weed and algae and the fibrous mixture may be like a net, slowing down and trapping things flowing by in the blood stream or in other vessels like airways and the digestive track. Our intestines are miles long and wide open to every passing food particle unless our cells are replaced regularly and are well coated with the glycocalyx layer. The digestive track has the shortest lived cells in the body. They are replaced every seven days on average – that is a lot of miles of cells for our white blood cells to patrol in order to identify the decaying ones and provide them a quick death by apoptosis. Apoptosis is nature’s control over pre-cancerous, decaying cells. Well nourished white blood cells can recognize the old or infected cells, give them a little enzyme blast of death and then engulf the waste material, resulting in no inflammation or discomfort to us. It happens every day. Apoptosis requires the white blood cell to have nutrient building blocks for all the chemical steps in the process, and the white blood cell membrane has to join with the other cell membrane temporarily probably occurring within the glycocalyx layer. The intestines also need plenty of fiber from our diets to build and rebuild the jelly layer coating its surfaces. Animal foods do not offer any fiber for building this protective layer and a diet high in meat and dairy and refined grains can leave the body more open to allergens and infection. Fiber is found in all plant foods and whole grains. A fiber pill or fortified food is unlikely to meet our need for a variety of different starches. Vine ripened produce has a higher content of some of the essential types of starches then produce that is picked early and forced to ripen with plant hormones. Frozen and canned vegetables are picked at peak ripeness and then processed rapidly and may provide more nutrients then some " fresh " produce. Carrots, apples, pears, pre-ripened peaches and nectarines, berries, cherries, sweet potatoes, onions, garlic, peas, green beans, other beans, nuts, seeds, guava, turnips, mushrooms, corn, leeks, dark greens, fenugreek, aloe vera, slippery elm powder, marshmallow root, cinnamon, turmeric, horseradish and ginger are a few super starch foods but there are lots more. Broth made with bones provides glucosamine which is important for the synovial fluid (glycocalyx) in the joints between our bones. Supplemental glucosamine is usually extracted from shells of crustaceans and can be a risk to people with an allergy to seafood. Glucosamine derived from cornstarch has been developed and hopefully will make it into healthier foods for me and you soon. Vajda, R.D. Dietitian = a mathematician who likes food. ________________________________ From: Cece Ohmart <mailto:cohmart%40mainehospital.org> To: mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 2:43:25 PM Subject: Re: Request for info about pouchitis The probiotic VSL 3 has been beneficial with pouchitis. They have very good information on this on their web site. It requires a prescription. Cece ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 18:53:20 +0000 >From: mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com (on behalf of Garay Redmond ><mailto:jlgaray%40syr.edu>) >Subject: Request for info about pouchitis >To: " mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com " <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Hi all, > I am meeting with a client this week who has an > ileal pouch (and has had it for several years). > Recently this pouch has become inflamed and she was > diagnosed with pouchitis. Aside from the medication > she is on for this, she has asked whether or not > there are any nutritional recommendations that can > help prevent this condition from occurring again. > Any thoughts out there? > > Thanks in advance, > > Garay Redmond, MS, RD, CSCS > Adjunct Instructor, Syracuse University > mailto:jlgaray%40syr.edu<mailto:mailto:jlgaray%40syr.edu> > www.majorleaguewellness.com<http://www.majorleaguewellness.com/> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > This message is intended for the use of the addressee only and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be notified that any dissemination or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Un-intended transmission does not constitute waiver of attorney-client privilege or any other privilege. 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Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Oh, great take glucosamine and worry about your pancreatitis, take NASIDs and worry about your liver or kidneys. I hate studies that use animals using huge amounts, not using normal administrations methods and then scare people to death of taking their meds. Jackie Chase RD Dillingham AK > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 I agree, they need to check real human patients taking these products...duh! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:02 PM, Jackie Chase wrote: > Oh, great take glucosamine and worry about your pancreatitis, take > NASIDs and worry about your liver or kidneys. I hate studies that > use animals using huge amounts, not using normal administrations > methods and then scare people to death of taking their meds. > > Jackie Chase RD > Dillingham AK > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 I don't want to sound conspiracist - but I think part of it is corporate manipulation to suppress belief in their health industry competitors - alternative care not complimentary care. But I believe that it is also totally possible that the medical industry really does think that beriberi and scurvy are the way nutrient science works all the time - got a problem - find the one thing you need to solve the problem. We got too lucky with those nutrients and it may have set us up for this hunt for magic one ingredient solutions. Laetrile (apricot seed extract) studies that panned it were big dose single nutrient type of studies - what rat is going to get healthy on a such a plan? The Gerson clinic in Mexico has a phenomenal success rate with cancer and autoimmune disease. I don't agree with all of their theorys but the basis is a raw foods vegan approach and rapid detox with coffee enemas. - not too pretty sounding but chemotherapy is not pretty either. Netflix has some great documentaries - my husband finds stuff so I'll sit and watch TV with him longer. The plastic water bottle industry documentary is disturbing as well - Towns are having their underground water drained by the bottling company. The company is only paying what anyone else would for a city water bill but they are shipping the water out of the communities by the truckloads. The company moves on to a new town that is desperate for a few jobs once they have depleted the supply of ground water in the last town. Well those jobs won't seem worth it after desertification of the state of Maine has occurred. (inflammatory but I get cranky) Vajda, R.D. www.gingerjens.com ________________________________ To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa > Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 1:18:24 AM Subject: Re: Request for info about pouchitis I agree, they need to check real human patients taking these products...duh! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:02 PM, Jackie Chase wrote: > Oh, great take glucosamine and worry about your pancreatitis, take > NASIDs and worry about your liver or kidneys. I hate studies that > use animals using huge amounts, not using normal administrations > methods and then scare people to death of taking their meds. > > Jackie Chase RD > Dillingham AK > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 I don't want to sound conspiracist - but I think part of it is corporate manipulation to suppress belief in their health industry competitors - alternative care not complimentary care. But I believe that it is also totally possible that the medical industry really does think that beriberi and scurvy are the way nutrient science works all the time - got a problem - find the one thing you need to solve the problem. We got too lucky with those nutrients and it may have set us up for this hunt for magic one ingredient solutions. Laetrile (apricot seed extract) studies that panned it were big dose single nutrient type of studies - what rat is going to get healthy on a such a plan? The Gerson clinic in Mexico has a phenomenal success rate with cancer and autoimmune disease. I don't agree with all of their theorys but the basis is a raw foods vegan approach and rapid detox with coffee enemas. - not too pretty sounding but chemotherapy is not pretty either. Netflix has some great documentaries - my husband finds stuff so I'll sit and watch TV with him longer. The plastic water bottle industry documentary is disturbing as well - Towns are having their underground water drained by the bottling company. The company is only paying what anyone else would for a city water bill but they are shipping the water out of the communities by the truckloads. The company moves on to a new town that is desperate for a few jobs once they have depleted the supply of ground water in the last town. Well those jobs won't seem worth it after desertification of the state of Maine has occurred. (inflammatory but I get cranky) Vajda, R.D. www.gingerjens.com ________________________________ To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa > Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 1:18:24 AM Subject: Re: Request for info about pouchitis I agree, they need to check real human patients taking these products...duh! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:02 PM, Jackie Chase wrote: > Oh, great take glucosamine and worry about your pancreatitis, take > NASIDs and worry about your liver or kidneys. I hate studies that > use animals using huge amounts, not using normal administrations > methods and then scare people to death of taking their meds. > > Jackie Chase RD > Dillingham AK > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 I know these studies may be a little out of control as far as the quantity of the drug/alternative therapy they give the animals. However, I have seen people with diabetes start glucosamine and their blood sugar does go up. If you are working with DM or prediabetes patients you might consider having them test more if they start on glucosamine, to make sure it is not causing an increase in blood sugar. Many natural medicine databases state this effect in diabetics. I also discussed it with a pharmacist and he did report the same thing.   Some medications that diabetics are prescribed have the same effect (diuretics come to mind here) and in many instances, the patient needs to continue the medication and just treat the high blood sugar. If glucosamine is very effective in helping a diabetic with joint pain, they might be able to stay on it. Obviously, they would need to discuss taking anything with their doctor to decide if they should continue to take it. > Oh, great take glucosamine and worry about your pancreatitis, take > NASIDs and worry about your liver or kidneys. I hate studies that > use animals using huge amounts, not using normal administrations > methods and then scare people to death of taking their meds. > > Jackie Chase RD > Dillingham AK > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Diuretics would cause increased insulin resistance from increased losses of magnesium. The body's main homeostatic control for increasing magnesium is to increase insulin - increase appetite and any food or water would have been a reasonably good source of magnesium in non-industrialized water softened worlds. It is not working in our food supply - people eat more but are still getting the calcium/acidity/protein/salt ratios that drain us of magnesium and potassium stores. BTW Don't try to replete iodine stores without selenium. Selenium is essential for the enzyme that breaks down the excess thyroid hormone. Iodine supplementation got a bad name because the severely depleted can go hyperthyroid - it means they were depleted in selenium and probably magnesium as well. A confusing thing about fighting autoimmune disease - mystery infection that we don't really know much about - is that when the body starts effectively fighting back because it got the tools it was missing (nutrients), then the sudden die off of the infected cells overloads the detox system and the waste products trigger histamine reactions. I was on low dose antibiotics for a year and half to conquer the migraines and environmental chemical sensitivity/chronic fatigue syndrome/fibromyalgia symptoms. (like Lymes and TB there are bacteria involved). I would have the detox - flu like symptoms the day after I took the antibiotics - the protocol recommends every other day, very low dose amounts to help control and reduce the detox symptoms. In the more severely ill, the detox symptoms can include cardiac risks. By the end I had used all three antibiotics that I had had " severe allergic " reactions to and had stopped using due to theory that I was allergic - What happened was a normal dose of antibiotics killed so much unidentified infection that I was head to toe histamine reaction one Halloween - Dalmation girl.. The protocol I followed starts patients on an 1/8 of a minocycline dose every other day - I got achy and slightly swollen lymph nodes for a couple weeks before moving up to 1/4 dose every other day. Eventually i was using two antibiotics at a time and eventually three. I took probiotics super regularly and didn't get yeast too bad. website about it -http://bacteriality.com/about-the-mp/ after re-reading his site - he doesn't have it 100% right either. I got slammed for talking about iodine on his forum. So my only thought about why glucosamine - which I'm positive is essential for health - would cause blood sugar spikes in a chronically ill person is that maybe they began effectively killing some infection and blood sugar does spike in stress/wound/inflammatory conditions - doesn't it? R Vajda, R.D. www.gingerjens.com ________________________________ To: rd-usa Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 11:17:14 AM Subject: Re: Request for info about pouchitis I know these studies may be a little out of control as far as the quantity of the drug/alternative therapy they give the animals. However, I have seen people with diabetes start glucosamine and their blood sugar does go up. If you are working with DM or prediabetes patients you might consider having them test more if they start on glucosamine, to make sure it is not causing an increase in blood sugar. Many natural medicine databases state this effect in diabetics. I also discussed it with a pharmacist and he did report the same thing. Some medications that diabetics are prescribed have the same effect (diuretics come to mind here) and in many instances, the patient needs to continue the medication and just treat the high blood sugar. If glucosamine is very effective in helping a diabetic with joint pain, they might be able to stay on it. Obviously, they would need to discuss taking anything with their doctor to decide if they should continue to take it. > Oh, great take glucosamine and worry about your pancreatitis, take > NASIDs and worry about your liver or kidneys. I hate studies that > use animals using huge amounts, not using normal administrations > methods and then scare people to death of taking their meds. > > Jackie Chase RD > Dillingham AK > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Diuretics would cause increased insulin resistance from increased losses of magnesium. The body's main homeostatic control for increasing magnesium is to increase insulin - increase appetite and any food or water would have been a reasonably good source of magnesium in non-industrialized water softened worlds. It is not working in our food supply - people eat more but are still getting the calcium/acidity/protein/salt ratios that drain us of magnesium and potassium stores. BTW Don't try to replete iodine stores without selenium. Selenium is essential for the enzyme that breaks down the excess thyroid hormone. Iodine supplementation got a bad name because the severely depleted can go hyperthyroid - it means they were depleted in selenium and probably magnesium as well. A confusing thing about fighting autoimmune disease - mystery infection that we don't really know much about - is that when the body starts effectively fighting back because it got the tools it was missing (nutrients), then the sudden die off of the infected cells overloads the detox system and the waste products trigger histamine reactions. I was on low dose antibiotics for a year and half to conquer the migraines and environmental chemical sensitivity/chronic fatigue syndrome/fibromyalgia symptoms. (like Lymes and TB there are bacteria involved). I would have the detox - flu like symptoms the day after I took the antibiotics - the protocol recommends every other day, very low dose amounts to help control and reduce the detox symptoms. In the more severely ill, the detox symptoms can include cardiac risks. By the end I had used all three antibiotics that I had had " severe allergic " reactions to and had stopped using due to theory that I was allergic - What happened was a normal dose of antibiotics killed so much unidentified infection that I was head to toe histamine reaction one Halloween - Dalmation girl.. The protocol I followed starts patients on an 1/8 of a minocycline dose every other day - I got achy and slightly swollen lymph nodes for a couple weeks before moving up to 1/4 dose every other day. Eventually i was using two antibiotics at a time and eventually three. I took probiotics super regularly and didn't get yeast too bad. website about it -http://bacteriality.com/about-the-mp/ after re-reading his site - he doesn't have it 100% right either. I got slammed for talking about iodine on his forum. So my only thought about why glucosamine - which I'm positive is essential for health - would cause blood sugar spikes in a chronically ill person is that maybe they began effectively killing some infection and blood sugar does spike in stress/wound/inflammatory conditions - doesn't it? R Vajda, R.D. www.gingerjens.com ________________________________ To: rd-usa Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 11:17:14 AM Subject: Re: Request for info about pouchitis I know these studies may be a little out of control as far as the quantity of the drug/alternative therapy they give the animals. However, I have seen people with diabetes start glucosamine and their blood sugar does go up. If you are working with DM or prediabetes patients you might consider having them test more if they start on glucosamine, to make sure it is not causing an increase in blood sugar. Many natural medicine databases state this effect in diabetics. I also discussed it with a pharmacist and he did report the same thing. Some medications that diabetics are prescribed have the same effect (diuretics come to mind here) and in many instances, the patient needs to continue the medication and just treat the high blood sugar. If glucosamine is very effective in helping a diabetic with joint pain, they might be able to stay on it. Obviously, they would need to discuss taking anything with their doctor to decide if they should continue to take it. > Oh, great take glucosamine and worry about your pancreatitis, take > NASIDs and worry about your liver or kidneys. I hate studies that > use animals using huge amounts, not using normal administrations > methods and then scare people to death of taking their meds. > > Jackie Chase RD > Dillingham AK > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 In Florida, there has been so much construction and building that the atlantc ocean sea water and the now oil spill Gulf water is seeping into the inland fresh water! Soon water shall become the new gold! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 12, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Vajda wrote: > I don't want to sound conspiracist - but I think part of it is > corporate > manipulation to suppress belief in their health industry competitors - > alternative care not complimentary care. But I believe that it is > also totally > possible that the medical industry really does think that beriberi > and scurvy > are the way nutrient science works all the time - got a problem - > find the one > thing you need to solve the problem. We got too lucky with those > nutrients and > it may have set us up for this hunt for magic one ingredient > solutions. > > Laetrile (apricot seed extract) studies that panned it were big dose > single > nutrient type of studies - what rat is going to get healthy on a > such a plan? > > The Gerson clinic in Mexico has a phenomenal success rate with > cancer and > autoimmune disease. I don't agree with all of their theorys but the > basis is a > raw foods vegan approach and rapid detox with coffee enemas. - not > too pretty > sounding but chemotherapy is not pretty either. > > Netflix has some great documentaries - my husband finds stuff so > I'll sit and > watch TV with him longer. The plastic water bottle industry > documentary is > disturbing as well - Towns are having their underground water > drained by the > bottling company. The company is only paying what anyone else would > for a city > water bill but they are shipping the water out of the communities by > the > truckloads. The company moves on to a new town that is desperate for > a few jobs > once they have depleted the supply of ground water in the last town. > Well those > jobs won't seem worth it after desertification of the state of Maine > has > occurred. (inflammatory but I get cranky) > > Vajda, R.D. > www.gingerjens.com > > ________________________________ > > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa > > Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 1:18:24 AM > Subject: Re: Request for info about pouchitis > > I agree, they need to check real human patients taking these > products...duh! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:02 PM, Jackie Chase > wrote: > > > Oh, great take glucosamine and worry about your pancreatitis, take > > NASIDs and worry about your liver or kidneys. I hate studies that > > use animals using huge amounts, not using normal administrations > > methods and then scare people to death of taking their meds. > > > > Jackie Chase RD > > Dillingham AK > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Clive Cussler has a great novel along those lines called, Blue Gold, I think. He writes ecological thrillers.The movie, Sahara, with McConnaughey and Steve Zahn, was based on one of his books I think. or at least I associate the two because I want to see more of the in environmental adventure movies. the Blue gold book has a great scene with a Viking ship in a private board room and of course a mini submarine to get to the private location was needed. - Yeah just remembered, definately the same author - it is Dirk Pitt and the NEMA guys - geek movies for girls and guys. R Vajda, R.D. www.gingerjens.com ________________________________ To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa > Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 12:48:03 PM Subject: Re: Request for info about pouchitis In Florida, there has been so much construction and building that the atlantc ocean sea water and the now oil spill Gulf water is seeping into the inland fresh water! Soon water shall become the new gold! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 12, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Vajda wrote: > I don't want to sound conspiracist - but I think part of it is > corporate > manipulation to suppress belief in their health industry competitors - > alternative care not complimentary care. But I believe that it is > also totally > possible that the medical industry really does think that beriberi > and scurvy > are the way nutrient science works all the time - got a problem - > find the one > thing you need to solve the problem. We got too lucky with those > nutrients and > it may have set us up for this hunt for magic one ingredient > solutions. > > Laetrile (apricot seed extract) studies that panned it were big dose > single > nutrient type of studies - what rat is going to get healthy on a > such a plan? > > The Gerson clinic in Mexico has a phenomenal success rate with > cancer and > autoimmune disease. I don't agree with all of their theorys but the > basis is a > raw foods vegan approach and rapid detox with coffee enemas. - not > too pretty > sounding but chemotherapy is not pretty either. > > Netflix has some great documentaries - my husband finds stuff so > I'll sit and > watch TV with him longer. The plastic water bottle industry > documentary is > disturbing as well - Towns are having their underground water > drained by the > bottling company. The company is only paying what anyone else would > for a city > water bill but they are shipping the water out of the communities by > the > truckloads. The company moves on to a new town that is desperate for > a few jobs > once they have depleted the supply of ground water in the last town. > Well those > jobs won't seem worth it after desertification of the state of Maine > has > occurred. (inflammatory but I get cranky) > > Vajda, R.D. > www.gingerjens.com > > ________________________________ > > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa > > Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 1:18:24 AM > Subject: Re: Request for info about pouchitis > > I agree, they need to check real human patients taking these > products...duh! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:02 PM, Jackie Chase > wrote: > > > Oh, great take glucosamine and worry about your pancreatitis, take > > NASIDs and worry about your liver or kidneys. I hate studies that > > use animals using huge amounts, not using normal administrations > > methods and then scare people to death of taking their meds. > > > > Jackie Chase RD > > Dillingham AK > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Clive Cussler has a great novel along those lines called, Blue Gold, I think. He writes ecological thrillers.The movie, Sahara, with McConnaughey and Steve Zahn, was based on one of his books I think. or at least I associate the two because I want to see more of the in environmental adventure movies. the Blue gold book has a great scene with a Viking ship in a private board room and of course a mini submarine to get to the private location was needed. - Yeah just remembered, definately the same author - it is Dirk Pitt and the NEMA guys - geek movies for girls and guys. R Vajda, R.D. www.gingerjens.com ________________________________ To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa > Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 12:48:03 PM Subject: Re: Request for info about pouchitis In Florida, there has been so much construction and building that the atlantc ocean sea water and the now oil spill Gulf water is seeping into the inland fresh water! Soon water shall become the new gold! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 12, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Vajda wrote: > I don't want to sound conspiracist - but I think part of it is > corporate > manipulation to suppress belief in their health industry competitors - > alternative care not complimentary care. But I believe that it is > also totally > possible that the medical industry really does think that beriberi > and scurvy > are the way nutrient science works all the time - got a problem - > find the one > thing you need to solve the problem. We got too lucky with those > nutrients and > it may have set us up for this hunt for magic one ingredient > solutions. > > Laetrile (apricot seed extract) studies that panned it were big dose > single > nutrient type of studies - what rat is going to get healthy on a > such a plan? > > The Gerson clinic in Mexico has a phenomenal success rate with > cancer and > autoimmune disease. I don't agree with all of their theorys but the > basis is a > raw foods vegan approach and rapid detox with coffee enemas. - not > too pretty > sounding but chemotherapy is not pretty either. > > Netflix has some great documentaries - my husband finds stuff so > I'll sit and > watch TV with him longer. The plastic water bottle industry > documentary is > disturbing as well - Towns are having their underground water > drained by the > bottling company. The company is only paying what anyone else would > for a city > water bill but they are shipping the water out of the communities by > the > truckloads. The company moves on to a new town that is desperate for > a few jobs > once they have depleted the supply of ground water in the last town. > Well those > jobs won't seem worth it after desertification of the state of Maine > has > occurred. (inflammatory but I get cranky) > > Vajda, R.D. > www.gingerjens.com > > ________________________________ > > To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa > > Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 1:18:24 AM > Subject: Re: Request for info about pouchitis > > I agree, they need to check real human patients taking these > products...duh! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:02 PM, Jackie Chase > wrote: > > > Oh, great take glucosamine and worry about your pancreatitis, take > > NASIDs and worry about your liver or kidneys. I hate studies that > > use animals using huge amounts, not using normal administrations > > methods and then scare people to death of taking their meds. > > > > Jackie Chase RD > > Dillingham AK > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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