Re: Vaccines? Anyone's insight?

May 20, 2002

Ok my first ? to you is did the MUMPS vaccine also include the Rubella

vaccine? And I am assuming you have epstein Barr virus and had MONO at one

time. The reason I ask this is because Mono is usually caused by estein Barr

and then is turns to chronic fatigue. The reason I know all this is cause my

3 yr old son has it. His is REALTED to the rubella vaccine. He was diagnosed

with mono and epstein barr was found in his blood The Dr was sooooo surprised

at a child his age would have this. After alot of test and investigation on

my part and pushing for blood titers etc. I have some articles about CFS and

vaccine i can forward you.

Also, My son had tired spells where he wouldnt even play now with the

treatment of Homeopathic remedies he is back to normal no more tired spells

and his appitete is GREAT!!!!!! HOpe this has helped you. YOu can email me

dirsct with any ?

AMY

MOMMY TO 4 KIDDIES

Chelsea 9

Carrigian 5

4

Chaela Noelle 15 mo

from the mouth of a 4 yr old

" your not fat mommy just squishy! " !!!! )

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May 20, 2002

You can bet your butt it is connected. I also had a baby with in acouple

years after a mmr and she has all kinds of issues and then my son to follow

has CFS

AMY

MOMMY TO 4 KIDDIES

Chelsea 9

Carrigian 5

4

Chaela Noelle 15 mo

from the mouth of a 4 yr old

" your not fat mommy just squishy! " !!!! )

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HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/chevy974/myhomepagebaby.html " >The Haskett

bunch</A> <A HREF= " http://babiesonline.com/babies/c/chaela/ " >Chaela, born

12/22/2000</A>

May 20, 2002

Lea Ann, I've included some abstracts about the Rubella Vaccine. Also check

out this link, it's a study Dr. Yazbak did on this very thing. If you search

you might find the whole study.

<A HREF= " http://www.whale.to/v/yazbak2.html " >Adverse Outcomes Associated

with Postpartum Rubella or MMR Vaccine ---F. </A>

Rubella virus vaccine associated arthropathy in postpartum immunized women:

influence of preimmunization serologic status on development of joint

manifestations.

LA, Tingle AJ, Grace M, Middleton P, Chalmers AC.

Department of Pathology, Faculty of Medicine, University of British Columbia,

Vancouver, Canada. lmitchel@...

OBJECTIVE: To measure preimmunization rubella virus (RV)-specific IgG levels

and to relate these to the development of acute and chronic (persistent or

recurrent) joint manifestations following rubella vaccination. METHODS:

Specific IgG was determined by whole RV enzyme immunoassays (EIA) (Abbott

Rubazyme and M33, an in-house method), immunoblot, neutralization domain

peptide (BCH-178c) EIA, and neutralization bioassay in prevaccine samples of

268 RV seronegative women (Abbott absorbance < 0.999 units) who had received

monovalent live attenuated RA27/3 strain RV vaccine in a clinical trial that

recorded joint manifestations. RESULTS: Of rubella vaccinated women tested

for prevaccine antibodies, 21.7% were actually positive (> or = 10 IU/ml) by

M33 EIA, 33.2% had Abbott values > or = 0.250 units, and 47.6% had RV

protein-specific antibody (immunoblot), while only 17.6% were positive (> or

= 10 IU/ml) by neutralization domain peptide EIA and 12.7% had neutralization

titers > or = 1:8. Seropositivity by the various methods was compared to

recorded occurrence of acute and chronic arthropathy (arthralgia and/or

arthritis) after RV vaccination. Relative to women who had no joint

manifestations, prevaccine seropositivity rates for subjects with acute

arthropathy were significantly (p < 0.05) lower in the Abbott test (< 0.250

units), BCH-178c peptide EIA, and neutralization bioassay, while those who

also developed chronic arthropathy had significantly lower prevaccine

seropositivity rates for the Abbott (< 0.250 units) and M33 EIA and

neutralization bioassay. CONCLUSION: Results suggest that risk for

arthropathy following RA27/3 rubella vaccination may be higher in women who

have very low prevaccine levels of antibody, particularly in assays measuring

functional (neutralizing) antibodies.

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Randomised double-blind placebo-controlled study on adverse effects of

rubella immunisation in seronegative women.

Tingle AJ, LA, Grace M, Middleton P, Mathias R, Mac L,

Chalmers A.

Department of Paediatrics, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada.

BACKGROUND: The objective of our study was to investigate the association of

adverse clinical musculoskeletal and neurological events in healthy

postpartum women with live attenuated (RA27/3 strain) rubella-virus vaccine,

and to assess the frequency of acute and recurrent arthralgia and arthritis

and associations with acute and recurrent muscle pain (myalgia) and

neurological manifestations (paraesthesias). METHODS: We used a randomised

placebo-controlled, double-blind design in a community setting. 636 women

were enrolled and, after 90 women dropped out, 546 healthy women aged 18-41

years, who were rubella seronegative on routine screening were immunised

parenterally with either monovalent live attenuated (RA27/3 strain) rubella

vaccine (n = 270) or saline placebo (n = 276) in the postpartum period.

Outcome measures were the occurrence of acute and persistent or recurrent

joint manifestations (arthralgia or arthritis) at 1, 3, 6, 9, and 12 months

after immunisation. Occurrence of muscle pain (myalgia), and neurological

symptoms (paraesthesia) was also assessed at the same times. FINDINGS: 543

women completed 1-month follow-up. 456 women completed the 12-month

assessment. There were no differences at the time of immunisation between

rubella vaccine and placebo groups in distribution of age, ethnic origin,

parity, time between delivery and immunisation, breastfeeding history, or

histories of earlier rubella vaccination or joint complaints. Results

indicated a significantly higher incidence (p = 0.006; odds ratio = 1.73 [95%

CI = 1.17-2.57]) of acute joint manifestations in rubella-vaccine recipients

(30%) than in placebo recipients (20%). Frequency of chronic (recurrent)

arthralgia or arthritis was only marginally significant (p = 0.042; 1.58

[1.01-2.45]). INTERPRETATION: RA27/3 rubella vaccine given to seronegative

women during the postpartum period was significantly associated with

development of acute arthralgia or arthritis. Although the numbers of women

assessed and length of follow-up revealed only marginally significant

differences in persistent or recurrent joint manifestations between rubella

vaccine and placebo recipients, it is possible that susceptible women who are

given rubella vaccination may experience this outcome.

In a message dated 5/20/02 7:39:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

writes:

<< Hi Caleb,

I don't know the answers to your question as I am also trying to sort out

why I have CFS (contracted at 37 I'm now 39).

But an interesting correlation to your situation and an issue I have been

wondering how much impact it had on my CFS is the fact that I received

the MMR shot after my first born in 1995. One month later I got arthritis

in my left ankle which hurt for a couple of years then faded away.

My son that was born in 1998 has learning disabilities and had chronic

ear infections.

My now 12 week old son I am watching VERY closely as his eye contact

is off and on and his stools have been full of mucous since birth.

Was the MMR the start of all of this? Sometimes I wonder ... my son born

before I had the MMR is fine. After the MMR I have a son with LD get

chronic fatigue, and now have concerns about my baby?

Blessings,

Lea Ann >>

May 20, 2002

Hi Caleb,

I don't know the answers to your question as I am also trying to sort out

why I have CFS (contracted at 37 I'm now 39).

But an interesting correlation to your situation and an issue I have been

wondering how much impact it had on my CFS is the fact that I received

the MMR shot after my first born in 1995. One month later I got arthritis

in my left ankle which hurt for a couple of years then faded away.

My son that was born in 1998 has learning disabilities and had chronic

ear infections.

My now 12 week old son I am watching VERY closely as his eye contact

is off and on and his stools have been full of mucous since birth.

Was the MMR the start of all of this? Sometimes I wonder ... my son born

before I had the MMR is fine. After the MMR I have a son with LD get

chronic fatigue, and now have concerns about my baby?

Blessings,

Lea Ann

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[ ] Vaccines? Anyone's insight?

Just a very general query really. I've heard and read so much about

vaccine damage and so on. I am 24 and suffer from CFS and am

currently sussing out the possibility of Mercury in connection with

getting ill. Around about the same time I first got sick I had a

mumps injection when i was about 16. What I'm wondering is if the

vaccine played a role in the onset of my illness is getting rid of

the Thimerosol (Hg) from your body the sole aim or is there other

damage that vaccination can do that is irrepairable. If si what are

they and is vaccine damage diagnosis purely by self analysis? Anyone

responses would be really appreciated.

Caleb

May 20, 2002

I would love to get the articles on CFS and vaccines! If you read my earlier

post - I contracted CFS about 4 years after the MMR vaccine.

You can send them to me at lsavage@... or post to the list.

Blessings,